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Location of Lithuania

Dear Renata take a look at CIA World Factbook and see the location of Lithuania. Please do not change the compromised location description. http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Eastern-Europe-map2.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.153.131.158 (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree to the edit counter opt-in terms

Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Hope you like it here, and stick around. Meelar (talk) 16:40, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Upcoming ArbCom elections

Hi,

I'm rather unhappy about the sorry list of candidates at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008/Candidate_statements. Would you consider running? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 22:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully...

I see you were the one who nominated Asif_Iqbal_(Rochester,_NY) for deletion.

The wikipedia deletion guidelines recommend that those with a concern they consider serious enough to initiate a nomination for deletion leave a good-faith heads-up on the talk page of the contributor who started the article. Could you please explain why you didn't offer me this courtesy? Geo Swan (talk) 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I was very disturbed by the reply you left on my talk page. I checked. You had already been an administrator for three months when you nominated that article for deletion. I find your unfamiliarity with the deletion policies very disturbing, given that you were already an administrator.

Just so we are clear on this -- I am assuming you did not intend me to interpret your reply as an apology -- or even an acknowledgment you made a mistake.

When I participate in an {{rfa}} I ask the candidate whether they believe administrators should continue to be obliged to do their best to comply with the wikipedia's civility policies. I ask them to commit themselves to remembering they are human, thus capable of error. I ask them to commit themselves to openly acknowledge mistakes, when they are brought to their attention. Many people, in real life, find acknowledging error difficult. And they find it difficult to acknowledge error in their wikipedia contributions. Some people are so sensitive they regard questions about their statements or action as personal attacks -- without regard to how civilly they are posed. And I am very sorry to report that some wikipedia administrators regard civil questions as personal attacks.

I urge you, in future, to offer acknowledgment of error, when you realize you have committed a lapse. Misplaced Pages contributors need other contributors to openly acknowledge their lapses. When they don't we have no idea whether they understood they made an lapse, and so will continue to make similar lapses in future. Because administrators have authority regular contributors don't have, the obligation to openly acknowledge their lapses goes double for them. Geo Swan (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Expanding Lithuanian content

Hi you may be interested in monitoring Category:Lithuanian articles needing translation and helping translate content from Lithuanian wikipedia. All help is much appreciated. If you know anybody likely to be interested please let them know. Best Count Blofeld 21:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Please help with odd fate of a photo I had shot

Renata, I'm so sorry to hear Misplaced Pages is losing you - eventhough for time being. If curcumstances permit, please kindly help me/ advise me on a photo of Palanga Airport I myself have shot and submitted: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Plq-runway.jpg. It's tagged for speedy deletion. Thanks alot, en:user: Ttk371 (Ttk371 (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC))
Thank you very much for the badly needed rearrangement of the photos! (Ttk371 (talk) 09:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC))

John Wilson (computer programmer) Page Deletion

Sorry to see that you have deleted my recent inclusion but I felt that the details listed were relevant as they gave a background to the person responsible for setting up (and running) Zenobi Software. Therefore I respectfully request that you revoke your deletion.

--ZenobiBalrog (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Leonard Vouillaire Campbell

Dear Renata3

Please advise why such a quick decision has been taken to remove the page? The individual's work is potentially of interest to persons investigating C19th theatre, actors and plays. I am new to Misplaced Pages and find the approach to the removal of pages interesting. What authority do you have in relation to research interests covering the topic and period to evaluate whether this merits inclusion or not?

Thank you.

(Riley124 (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC))

Re:Image:Islamabad_montage.jpg

Alright, I can make a new montage. I just took the image from Misplaced Pages so thought it was safe to use. Marsa Lahminal (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

John Wilson (computer programmer) Page Deletion

In regards to "other sources/references", John Wilson has featured in numerous publications. For example : Retrogamer Issue 35: A seven page "Company Profile", Your Sinclair July 1986, Your Sinclair August 1987, Your Sinclair August 1988: D.I.Y. Adventure Guide, Your Sinclair June 1991: YS Beginners Guide To Adventuring and various other issues throughout the existence of the magazine.

Numerous other pieces in Popular Computing Weekly, ZX Monthly, Crash, Your Spectrum and assorted "fanzines" such as Syntax, Red Herring, Adventure Probe, Spellbinder, The Goblin Gazzette and From Beyond.

He(and Zenobi Software) were also nominated for, and awarded, numerous awards in such organisations as "The Adventurers Guild", "The Probe Convention" and "The From Beyond Awards". --ZenobiBalrog (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bloomfield & Co

Well, I was also thinking in this direction, looking for proof (IPs, wikis in other languages etc) ... but here it is! You've discovered it long time ago! Perhaps it is also time Misplaced Pages takes some decisive steps with respect to the nobleman who is disrupting the project by using it as a personal playground and even slandering other people recent sock puppet request. --Miacek (talk) 13:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Here we go again. Some month ago, a hoax that had been discovered long time ago but unfortunately not deleted, was re-established by a 'Bloomfield' IP.
The only reason why such piggery could take place, was that an admin did not delete and protect the hoax title (as he/she should have done), but the title was maintained as a re-direct. And the result is that Misplaced Pages has had an article on an imaginary political party for one month already: Estonian National Movement ... Miacek (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles about yourself

Hi, please stop creating articles about yourself, your family, your hobbies, etc. They do not meet the notability requirements and will be deleted. Renata (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

What the hell: creating articles about yourself, your family, your hobbies??? My last name is Jankauskas and how could my family member be Zurov. I play basketball and how could my hobby be music. I just put stuff that seem inportant to me, on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickordeath (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Anarchism Task Force

Why did you delete the talk page for this project??? Murderbike (talk) 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

yeah, sorry, as soon as i wrote i saw what happened. Murderbike (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring

Can you please explain your threats? I'm only enforcing the Gdańsk vote and I'm womdering why its oucome bothers you so much. Happy editing. Space Cadet (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, why didn'you threat 71.137.196.30? That would be fair, don't you think? Space Cadet (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW: I don't edit under other IP's. Please double check before you blosk me for their edits. Thank you. Space Cadet (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Iuga

I'll try sometime, but right now I don't have much spare time to do it. --Alex:D (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is the exact translation of the original. I left out some unnecessary details, marking them with (...):

The presentation of the less known rulers of Romania begins with Iuga "the Crippled", who ruled over Moldova from November (before 28) 1399 until June (before 29) 1400 .

Regarding his origins, it is known that he was the son of Roman I Muşat (1391-1394) and his first wife, a princess of Lithuanian origin, whose name has not been preserved across the centuries, but who originated from Koriatovich family, rulers of Podolia. A proof that his mother was related to them is the fact that he was baptized Iuga (Iurga, Iurg, Iurie), a Ruthenized Lithuanian name (equivalent to that of George), after a stalwart member of the Podolian family: Yuriy .

Iuga the Crippled had two good brothers (after both parents): Michael and Stephen (who, under the name of Stephen I, ruled over Moldavia prior to him, between 1394-1399), and two stepbrothers (only after the father): Alexander (the future prince Alexander the Good, ruler of Moldavia between 1400-1432) and "župan" Bogdan .

The second spouse of his father (the mother of his stepbrothers) was named Anastasia, being the sister of the Podolian rulers, Yuriy and Theodor Koriatovich, descendants of the Lithuanian princely dynasty of Giedyminowicze (Koriatovich branch) . By his stepmother, but also by his good mother, Iuga the Crippled was related to both Władysław II Jagiełło (Grand Duke of Lithuania, between 1377-1392, and King of Poland from 1386 until 1434), and by Vytautas the Great (Grand Duke of Lithuania, between 1392-1430) .

The nickname "the Crippled" (most likely with the meaning of "the Paralityc"), can be found only in the chronicle of Putna Monastery, drafted in the first years of XVIth century . The reason for which he remained in history with this nickname is not known precisely (probably he suffered from a desease which gave him a movement disturbance).

Following the old internal chronicles, it was believed that Iuga the Crippled occupied the throne for two years. Also, a series of allegations were issued about him in the Romanian historiography of the XIX century and even XXth, especially in hypothetical works that had him as a subject. Unfortunately, however, most of them have proved to be unfounded.

An example is his confusing, for a long time, by experts (who had stiff disputes on the subject, more than a century) with Yuriy "Iuga" Koriatovich , which, according to the old Lithuanian chronicles, seems to have been called by a noble group hostile to Peter I Muşat (1375-1391), to take over the rule of Moldova (but being ultimately murdered by poisoning exactly by those who asked for his help) . In fact, it was pobably just an intervention (in the autumn of 1377) of the Lithuanians (whose formal suzerainty had been accepted by Peter I, in the early years of his reign, to counter the expansionist tendencies of Hungary) , lead by this Yuriy Koriatovich (back then, the ruler of Podolia), in favor of a pretender to the throne of Moldova, descendant from the Drăgoşeşti family.

The pretender was named in a Lithuanian document, dated November 10 1377, as "Giurgiu, voivode of Romanians". He had, because of "unexpected treason" of his people, to leave Moldova and put himself under the protection of duke Władysław Opolczyk, the governor of Halich Ruthenia, appointed by Louis I of Hungary (...) .

As a measure of retaliation, in December 1377 took place a Lithuanian expedition, which, according to a chronicle of the Teutonic Order by Johann von Posilge, came out a disaster. They were defeated by the Moldovans and they "brought back only a little of their horses" . Certainly, we can't speak about an effective rule of Yuriy Koriatovich in Moldova, even less in-between 1374-1379, as some historians believed .

The context in which Iuga the Crippled mounted the throne is not fully cleared up, even today. This led to many diametrically opposed views and, in most cases, inaccurate . In all likelihood, he became the "prince of Moldova" before the death of his brother Stephen I (from an act issued by Iuga before November 28, 1399, it is known that he no longer lived at that time) , who resigned most certainly due to his poor health.

However, according to the document mentioned above, Stephen I ruled for a while along with his brother, even if Iuga had all the power "de jure". Stephen I seconded his brother to the leadership of the state and the ruling of the country, as the document mentions, was guaranteed by the rest of the princely family members: "and to this is my fidelity, of Iuga the voivode, the fidelity of my children and the fidelity of Stephen voivode and of his children, the fidelity of his brothers, the fidelity of Alexander , the fidelity of Bogdan..." (practically by all children resulting from both matrimonial ties contracted by his father, except Michael, who had died in the battle between Lithuanians and Tartars, carried out on 13 August 1398, on the Vorsk river).

Significantly, to understand the situation, is that the document mentions only Stephen and Iuga as voivodes, which means that Iuga the Crippled was crowned before the death of his stepbrother and that the latter didn't leave immediately the political scene.

Stephen I resorted to this political trick, most certainly, just to be able to impose Iuga on the throne (by skipping or forcing the election process held by the nobles), because on that time his sons Stephen and Bogdan (...) , were too young (Stephen I married in the summer of 1394) and they were not able to succed him to the throne. The boyars (nobles) had a strong word to say in determining the succession to the throne. (...)

The reign of Iuga was too short to be noted for something in particular. It appears, however, he was a good manager and organizer, he built, among other things, the oldest part of Cetatea Albă fortress .

As for the external affairs, Iuga continued the policy of his predecesors, that is, an approach towards Poland and Lithuania, ruled at the time of his reign by Władysław II Jagiełło and Vytautas the Great.

His name appears in the chronicle of Ragusan Giacomo da Pietro Luccari, listed alongside the other voivodes of his countryafter Bogdan I of Moldova (1359-1365): "Laziko, Mussatin, Roman, Stefano ... poi Iuga, Alessandro, Ilia, che rese il Regno feudatario a Poloni, Romano Secondo e Pietro Ciubar".

Contested, from the beginning of his rule, by his smaller stepbrother Alexander, who at the death of their father was a refugee, according to some sources, with Bogdan (the other stepbrother) to Curtea de Argeş (putting it under the protection of Mircea I of Wallachia, ruler of Wallachia between 1386-1418), Iuga the Crippled will loose the power in the time interval between the last document of its reign (28 November 1399) and the first one of Alexander the Good (June 29 1400) , in all likelihood in the spring or the first days of the summer of 1400. 23 April 1399, thought by some historians as the beginning of the reign of Alexander the Good, can not be taken into account, because, on 28 November 1399, Iuga was still ruling, the proof being his last document, mentioned above.

Some of the researchers regarded as correct the information provided by the Anonymous chronicle of Moldova, which states that "in the year 6907 (1399 A.D.) April 23, Alexander become the voivode of Moldova and Iuga voivode was taken away by Mircea voivode", and wronlgly assumed that Alexander the Good started his reign on 23 April 1399, (while Iuga have kept the control only over a part of Moldova, considering Alexander as an associate to his throne).

More credible seems to be that, at the time, Alexander revolted against his father's decision to leave the throne to Iuga (of course, Stephen I was already dead at that time, because it is hard to believe that Alexander could have challenged the decision taken by his father as long as he would have been alive), and declared himself as the sole voivode of Moldavia, starting his fight against Iuga. He was not yet anointed and crowned according to tradition (as was his rival), a compulsory procedure in order to become a prince . Of course, is very plausible that Alexander left Moldavia (after April 23 1399 and until the following spring), and went to Wallachia, the neighboring country, to convince prince Mircea to support him politically and militarily in order to obtain the throne of Moldova.

There is also a version that the event took place a year later, on 23 April 1400 , when, with the probable help of Mircea I of Wallachia (who wanted an ally in the princely seat of Suceava), Alexander returned to Moldova and defeated Iuga, gaining the power.

Besides, the documents of that time show that Mircea came into Moldova in front of his army, installing Alexander as prince and taking Iuga with him in Wallachia as a hostage, where he will die sometime between 7 January 1403 (when Alexander the Good does not mention him among the "upright defunct rulers before Us") and the year 1407, when the diptych of Bistriţa monastery listed him as deceased .

About Iuga the Crippled is known that he was married and had descendants (since in his act of 28 November 1399, talks about "the fidelity of my children") , but the name of his wife and sons have remained unknown. Certainly, his funeral was in Wallachia, but the place of his tomb was not identified so far.

Prof. Tiberiu CIOBANU Timişoara

NOTES:

For the establishment of this period, it was taken into account that his last act preserved until today, is dated November 28 1399, and the first preserved act of his successor, Alexander the Good, is signed by him on 29 June 1400, so Iuga the Crippled ruled, roughly, between those dates. (...) There are several variations on the time of his reign: after August 12 1399 - before February 11 1400 (Constantin and Dinu C. Giurescu, "A Short History of Romania", Bucharest, 1977, p. 400 ; Idem, "Istoria românilor din cele mai vechi timpuri până astăzi", Bucureşti, 1975, p. 907); before December 1399 - before 29 June 1400 ("History of Romanians", vol IV, Bucharest, 2001, p. 803) and before November 28 1399 - before 29 June 1400 (Constantin Rezachevici, "The Encyclopedia of the Romanian Rulers. Critical Chronology of the Rulers of Wallachia and Moldavia", vol I, XIVth-XVIth centuries, Bucharest, 2001, p. 466).

I hope this translation is useful. --Alex:D (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

It was not so hard. I used google translate and then I've corrected the mistakes (not so many). --Alex:D (talk) 12:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

References removals, distortions and attacks

Dear Renata, you have shown interest in the Simon Grunau article. The version now makes it appear, as if Simon Grunau was from Tolkmiecko, Lidzbark Warminski and Frombork <ref> by ONE book from 1958, despite all 136 books state differently. You, knowingly or not supported the one book entries from a whole group of people who do "edits" such as the User:156.17.122.152.

User:156,17.122.152 got so emboldened with his removal of references and is now spewing attacks.

editing on same Misplaced Pages articles like l56.17.

same as 77.13 and 156.17 this Misplaced Pages User:213.238.121.121 also removes references, so does [http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/213.238.123.56, who put reference, which is different from his claim,

There are others from the same 77., 213 or 156 ranges messing up articles and putting in false info.

However this 156.17,122.152 person is the most crude attacker and he is not only removing reference and dates, thereby falsifying the Misplaced Pages article, but he uses offensive abusive language in connection with a 1762 book author - well- read for yourself and see.

Misplaced Pages’s mediocre quality is not improved by groups constantly inserting false information and by their vicious abusive attacks.

Please advise group, particularly User:156.17.122.152 to stop the unacceptable behavior and attacks. Thank you. An Observer (~~~~)