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Obsolete is not the right word
I can see in the recent edits of the HD-DVD article, that some users (including myself) don't agree with the "obsolete" word in the beginning of the article. To the people who agree with the word obsolete, please explain your reasons why the word should be on the HD-DVD article.
I can buy an HD-DVD player or HD-DVD discs, so Why is Obsolete? the format still exists so there is no reason to put that. The format was abandoned, but it is not obsolete yet. In the meantime I removed the obsolete and leave as is.--Juancdg (talk) 01:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is because a consensus was reached on the subject (see the most recent archive). However, I feel this needs re-evaluating, and would support a fresh discussion on it. SynergyBlades (talk) 02:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree with the discussion's outcome. There are connotations of the term "obsolete" that accurately describe the HD DVD format, but there also are connotations that don't. The wording in question can be interpreted to mean that the format has been superseded by something newer and technologically superior, when we really are trying to state that it's been discontinued. So why not simply refer to it as "discontinued" instead?
- Or we could just leave the lead as it is (without any such reference in the first sentence), as the third sentence clearly conveys that the format had been abandoned. —David Levy 02:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- My preference would be for the latter, as the state of the format is clear enough in the second sentence, while more detail can be found in the third sentence about the format's demise, than can be conveyed accurately in the one word at the start. I know that "obsolete" was originally added after consensus to placate those IP editors changing it to "was", but with the format war long over it will be less likely anonymous editors will come in and change it to "was", and such edits can be just as easily reverted as people taking out "obsolete" (which has happened just as frequently). SynergyBlades (talk) 04:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Our sources tell us it is obsolete. The choice for me is or "was" vs. "obsolete". People took issue with "was" for the very reasons you state, so we compromised on "obsolete" ("is an obsolete" vs. "was a"). If someone can find sources indicating this is not true I believe it's relevant in the lead. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)