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WP:Request for Comment?

I have decide it is not fair to you as a new user, to throw you into this. RfCs are much too disruptive and contentious. See my talk page for an explantion of what a RfC is, and a good example. Ikip (talk) 01:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I would instead suggest WP:3o for you and collect, if you would like help setting it up, I would be happy to help you. Ikip (talk) 01:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

ok, I'll also just think about it for awhile. I don't want to get into any kind of altercations either, and it's hard to predict what might annoy or upset somebody else. Abbarocks (talk) 21:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello again Abbarocks, if there is anything i can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask. I notice that you have email disabled. Ikip (talk) 01:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Your thoughts would be helpful

An editor has asked me to look into a slow edit war between them and you at Union Banking Corporation. Is there any reason you don't wish to use the article talk page and talk about your edits? There is also a question as to whether this is someone's alternate account. Your thoughts would be helpful to me. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Deleting comments

Misplaced Pages:Talk_page_guidelines#User_talk_pages:

Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. They may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user.

Ikip (talk) 03:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Prescott Bush

1. So you know, you've now made 3 reverts on Prescott Bush, and are in danger of violating the WP:3RR rule if you continue to edit-war, which can result in a block.
2. The accusation in this edit summary (which you repeated in a second revert is very bad form: either it is a bad-faith accusation of violating OR, given that the language you deleted was clearly supported by the cited source, or it shows that you still do not understand the WP:OR rule. Either way, you should not make that accusation. THF (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that source says the theft was done "for the society"; that's your OR, IS IT NOT? Abbarocks (talk) 04:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You're joking, right? Your reading comprehension can't possibly be as poor as you're pretending it is, which is making it hard to assume good faith in your continuing this tendentious position. THF (talk) 05:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, it could simply be that you just do not understand the WP:NOR rule. I don't know if you've read it yet--though it's been suggested to you several times that you do read it, and you've deleted those notices. If you have read it, and you're still confused, can I suggest the help desk? There's also a noticeboard that does nothing but discuss NOR issues. But you should definitely stay away from contentious edits in mainspace until you understand it. THF (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a lot of this is going on lately. Luck for Collect Dicklyon didn't report Collect either. Ikip (talk) 04:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

See, I didn't mislead you with quoting that policy about user pages above, everyone can delete other editors comments on their own talk page. Ikip (talk) 04:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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Skull and Bones

Not sure what to do. Collect followed me to Skull and Bones, then he accused me of being your SPA soc on gwen gale's talk page, the THF came into Skull and together they took off lots of info at Skull and Bones claiming it as OR which it clearly is not. Now THF is threatening a Block of me if I don't do an edit THF wants me to do. I'm about to just forget about editing Misplaced Pages. Abbarocks (talk) 03:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

THF has no authority to block. He is an average user. They want to intimidate you, bait you, and stop you from editing on wikipedia. That is the way they operate. Ikip (talk) 03:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You will never guess what happened, THF just opened a page against me. Ikip (talk) 12:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"Meatpuppet"

Can you show me the diff where I supposedly called you a meatpuppet? I may have accused Ikip of trying to make you into a meatpuppet (which is jargon with a specific meaning), but I don't believe I ever actually called you a meatpuppet, since I don't think you are one. If I haven't, can you use the strikethrough option to delete your allegation? THF (talk) 18:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, THF, Isn't this: "You injecting yourself into Skull and Bones through a meatpuppet would be the harassment" calling me a meatpuppet? Abbarocks (talk) 22:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No. It's complaining that Ikip is trying to use you as a meatpuppet by asking you to violate policy. I admit I could have phrased that more clearly, and I apologize for any inadvertent offense. THF (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

That's ok; apology accepted. A lot of times the discussion edits I make can be ambiguous or misunderstood too. Abbarocks (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Search article history

Wikiblame. Ty 15:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool: thanks so much :) Abbarocks (talk) 15:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Noticeboards

There is nothing wrong with using noticeboards for dispute resolution to obtain consensus, especially when editors on an article are not following policy. That's the whole point of noticeboards. THF (talk) 02:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It's just so damn time consuming for guys like me who type slow. Can't we just work things out at the talk page? Abbarocks (talk) 02:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages

Hi, I've been watching the Business Plot page from afar (I came in briefly when Ikip asked for a wp:3PO), and want to make a suggestion to you. Your last post started with "Main problem here,imo, is that assertive and controlling editors profess to know the contents of RSs when actually they have not read them (this is if we AGF)". You will never get anywhere with editors by using such phrasing. They won't take what you are writing seriously. I tried making this point to Ikip, and although he knows this academically, he is rather set in his ways... You seem fairly new to WP though, so I thought to try to give you some advise.

If you want editors to consider your points, provide "just the facts". If there is a phrase from the source they are missing, quote it and provide only logical reasons why it supports your point. Ignore editors that don't do the same. I have to remind myself to be careful in situations like this not to get worked up. The more you mention policies and the actions of others, the more a talk page discussion will just go on a downward spiral (you may notice this when arguments start getting repetitive).

Trying to read around all the similar remarks that other editors are making will also allow you to better understand their points and perspectives, and either provide reasoning that will help them see things your way or find compromises that you can both agree to. Remember that the vast majority of the time you are dealing with editors who truly believe they only want to make the article better.

For these reasons, the wp:TALK policy explicitly explains that those pages are only for discussing content and it's improval, and not for the actions, motivations, or unrelated opinions of anyone. Per wp:NOTFORUM, anyone would be totally within their rights to come in and delete half the Business Plot talk page, as statements such as the one I quoted from you above have nothing to do with the content, and only "poison the well" and get in the way of constructive editing. I'm telling this to you because you are a fairly new user, and as such are still getting comfortable with your editing style and goals here. I'd hate to see a bad experience at this talk page ruin the rest of your editing experience at Misplaced Pages, or lower your expectations of otherwise well meaning editors (we all have some rough edges after all). NJGW (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

ok, I quickly read what you are saying and I appreciate it. I will read it more slowly and try to digest and make use of it. Thanks. Abbarocks (talk) 22:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)