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Dispute by Anti-Sitchin Researchers

This article on Marduk (or Nibiru) places too much emphasis on the theories of Sitchin. Sitchin's theories aren't scientifically accepted, but this article is not about Sitchin. It is about Nibiru which is a topic of Chaldean cosmology, regardless of Sitchin's theories. I am adding the POV tag to the article.--AI 23:35, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sitchin may be the source of the idea of a 12th Planet, but he is not the source of information on Nibiru. Stone carvings are the only source for Nibiru. Sitchin should only be mentioned in this article as a researcher who came up with theories about Nibiru. I suggest a 12th Planet article be created. The section 12th planet theories can be moved there.--AI 23:47, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and made this change and removed the POV tag. If anyone disagrees with what I did then replace the TAG and state why you think it is still POV. User:AI

You rely too much on Sitchin's reading of the tablets, which are unorthodox. Please detail Sitchin's theories in this article: Zecharia Sitchin. When you present his ideas in this Nibiru article, be careful how you present them. Sitchin's interpretations of the tablets are controversial. In many, many cases, they do not explicitly say what he claims they say. He is most often interpreting.

I don't think it is disputed that Nibiru is almost always referred to as the home of Marduk, or as a celestial body of some type (so the category Ancient astronomy is accurate regardless), but it is very much disputed that Nibiru referred to an unknown 12th planet.

I'm not passing judgment on Sitchin's interpretations, but realize that they unorthodox and largely unaccepted, and cannot be presented as factual or accepted.

If you feel that I'm wrong in erasing what I've erased from the article, discuss what you disagree with, and there may be compromise. Alexander 007 01:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reverted again

Okay, you want to play it like that, then, and just revert? The bad news is that you lose, because in this case, most Sumerologists do not affirm that the Sumerians believed that Nibiru was a 12th planet (and not some other celestial feature). Prove me wrong and show that many Sumerologists affirm this, or don't revert, because it will be considered vandalism unless you have credible references. Alexander 007 21:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

007 is entirely correct. Any credible source on Babylonian astronomy (and the name, pace Sitchin's devotees, is Babylonian) will tell you that Nibiru is A) Marduk's home, and B) almost always the planet Jupiter—except when it's the pole star. As the introduction to this article states. Sitchin's theories are, despite their popularity, so far outside the mainstream of Assyriology that few have bothered to rebut them. —Charles P. (Mirv) 16:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

12th Planet

User:AI created a near-duplicate of this article under the title 12th Planet, so I moved the rest of the crackpot material there and cut this down to a stub about the genuine Nibiru. I am not sure if this qualifies as POV forking or not. —Charles P. (Mirv) 17:08, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you are not sure, then why make the uncertain allegation? POV forking was not my intention. Anyway, what you did what I expected of the 2 articles. --AI 6 July 2005 03:30 (UTC)

IMHO, Nibiru should only contain information related to beliefs of the Sumerians. 12th Planet should contain all the theories, arguments, critic remarks, etc regarding Sitchin's and other's claims about "Nibiru." --AI 6 July 2005 03:30 (UTC)

how many articles does one crackpot need?

There are now three articles devoted, in whole or in significant part, to discussing Sitchin's loopy theories of Mesopotamian cosmology: this article, Nibiru (myth), and 12th Planet. There are references to them scattered, quite inappropriately in most cases, in several more: Anunnaki, Anu, Tenth planet, and Enki. (Since I found these through Special:Whatlinkshere/Zecharia Sitchin, it's quite likely that there are others infected with this BS, only without proper attribution.) I do not believe that this is good for Misplaced Pages's coverage of the topics; I consider it akin to mentioning creationism in random biology articles.

I propose cleaning the junk out of the real articles on ancient Near Eastern mythology and astronomy and piling it all in one place, perhaps Sitchin's own article, perhaps one devoted to his series of books (Earth Chronicles or The Earth Chronicles). Only the briefest mention and link should be left behind. Is this a good idea? —Charles P. (Mirv) 07:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Most certainly. --Wetman 11:34, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I regards to Enki, I compiled all the Sitchin stuff into one category, which was a bit of work. Before that the article made no differentiation between the "real" Enki and Sitchin's version. Hence, I made the Sitchin section to prevent further infection to the good info. --Tydaj 12:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

A text search found "Sitchin" in these articles: 12th Planet; Ancient astronaut theory; Ancient Egypt; Anu; Anunnaki; Conan the Adventurer; David Icke; Enki; List of unsolved problems in Egyptology; Matest M. Agrest; Nephilim (disambiguation); Nibiru; Nibiru (myth); Nuwaubianism; Planet X; Pseudoarchaeology; Remote viewing data connects to religious scriptures; Reptilian humanoid; Robert Sutton Harrington; Rogue planet; Tiamat (disambiguation); Unsolved problems in Egyptology; Zecharia Sitchin. Anthony Appleyard 18:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

About Sedna's orbit in comparison to Nibiru's

"His research proposes that since it possesses a highly elliptical, 3630-year orbit. Such a planet would be approximately in the same orbit as 90377 Sedna"

Firstly, he claims 3660 if I remember correctly.. And secondly, the part about having the same orbit of Sedna is completely unfounded. When Sedna was revealed as red in 2004 and then changed it's color to blue (different filters, duh) a bunch of the whackos in the Godlike Productions community decided it was a coverup and Sedna was Nibiru. By that point they had already made up the theories about Sedna being Nibiru, and the blue only seemed to confirm it for them. Thus the part in quotations is wrong, void, false, unfounded, and quite honestly stupid.

Support by Sitchin Researchers

This article supports Zecharia Sitchin's research and translations from the Sumerian Texts (clay tablets pulled from the sands in Mesopotamia otherwise known as modern day Iraq).

Zecharia Sitchin has been maligned and ridiculed by others who are jealous of his research and translations. Sitchin took upon himself, the task of deciphering the Sumerian Texts when no other researcher was doing so. The controversy over Sitchin's work is primarily caused by one individual in particular, Dr Michel Heiser, who is considered Sitchin's foremost debunker. Heiser's work is bantered about wherever Sitchin's name and credibility is mentioned.

Now about Nibiru (aka Wormwood, the Planet of Crossing and the Destroyer):

According to the Sumerian Texts that Sitchin himself translated, Nibiru is a planet on a long elongated orbit around a brown dwarf star, a twin to our own sun, called Nemesis. Around Nemesis, are 4-5 other planets, one of which is supposedly earth like that is home to Nibiru's warrior race called the Anunnaki. The Anunnaki, led by Anu, Enki and others, have been visiting earth every 3600 years when Nibiru comes through the Sol system.

Nibiru is considered to be a battle station. As the story of the Anunnaki unfolds in the Sumerian Texts, they used Mars as a way station to get to earth. They arrived here to mine gold to infuse into their planets atmosphere to help it hold in heat because Nemesis itself does not throw off enough light to generate heat like its twin Sol does. The Anunnaki used their own DNA and mixed it with early caveman to develop the race known as us. We were to help the Anunnaki mine gold and in return, they gave us technology that we have used for thousands of years and developed into the technology we have today.

The last time in recorded history that Nibiru came through the Sol system was around 1588 BC. It would mean that Nibiru is due to come through our solar system again, sometime in the years 2009-2016. In 1983, NASA, using the IRAS Satellite, took information from deep space with regard to a large object perturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. Over the years as there has been much focus in following Nibiru's approach.

The Vatican has built two earth based telescopes (Vulcan and Vatt) and is currently about launch their own space based telescope so they can view Nibiru as it approaches. SETI, NASA and several other space organizations around the world have been monitoring Nibiru’s travel via telescopes in Antarctica at the South Pole Telescope station, because it is the only place to view it at the current time.

While there is still some dispute over whether or not Nibiru actually exists, it has become plain and clear that there is an undeniable force of gravity playing havoc with the planets in the Sol system. All of the planets, including earth, have been heating up at their surface temperatures. The orbits have had some disturbing changes.

If Nibiru does actually exist, the governments of the world as well as the people will panic when it appears in our skies. There have been warnings over the generations of calamities coming, particularly after reading about the events that unfolded in the time of Noah and the great flood, which can be attributed to the last crossing of Nibiru in 1588 BC.

There are (2) major 2012 websites dedicated to 2012 information. Both support Sitchin's findings and recognize Zecharia Sitchin as a man of astounding discernment.

www.december212012.com - www.yowusa.com -

You can find tons of videos on YouTube that both support and attempt to debunk Sitchin's work, Nibiru and so on. There is no longer any time for debate on this subject matter. There is only time for action and preparation. If indeed, Nibiru and Nemesis are nearby, it only means mega disaster for mankind.

PureTexan09 (talk) 19:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Thomas C. Slape