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Re: Gothic Metal Revision

I have already "constructively critiqued" your rendition on the discussion page, and while it may not have been the "constructive critiques" you liked, I feel the positions were made pretty clear. Doing so again would be repeating myself, just as I have asked you a number of times to provide published documentation that backs up your claims and refutes material in the original edit. At this point, I suggest you ask Idont Havaname and/or Ray Dassen for feedback - they both reverted your edits back to the original more than once, and chances are, there were reasons behind it - perhaps some that were different than mine. Thank you. Danteferno 18:08 08 November 2005 (UTC)

Evanescence piracy

I've asked about this at Talk:Evanescence. You should probably keep that page on your watchlist in case they have anything to say about it (I'm sure somebody there will say something within the next several days). --Idont Havaname 15:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding compiling a list of who they stole songs from: That's really throwing mud at them, and it isn't worth the trouble. If you can't find the court case records, then don't mention it in the article (and the list of songs is more detail than we need; Evanescence or Fallen (album) would be the place to include information about this, if any). If it can't actually be confirmed with the court case, then it is not verifiable. If the internet doesn't say anything about it and you still think it's true, then remember that it's not our job to break a news story; that goes against verifiability. See the statement from this section: "For an encyclopedia, sources should be unimpeachable. An encyclopedia is not primary source material. Its authors do not conduct interviews or perform original research. Therefore, anything we include should have been published in the records, reportage, research, or studies of other reputable sources. Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: outlandish claims beg strong sources." A site as popular as ours cannot afford to make claims that are not backed up, especially claims of such a controversial nature. (Say that it hits MTV and they report, "Misplaced Pages is now saying that Evanescence stole all their songs"; that could lead to the band and WP getting in trouble. We are not here to discredit bands.) Also, phrases in your rewrite such as "Many bands" should be avoided, as it brings up neutral point of view concerns. (I think that might have been one of the reasons why Danteferno didn't like your revision.) --Idont Havaname 04:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks from Metal Mayhem Rulz at Talk:Gothic metal

I've removed his comments as personal attacks. Thanks for telling me about them. WP:-( says that personal attacks are generally not vandalism, but WP:NPA says that removing personal attacks is "an appropriate reaction to extreme personal abuse". You might want to read over those two pages, and get quite familiar with them before you remove anything from a talk page (if you're not sure about something, just ask); some people might think that removing discussion from a talk page is too bold. --Idont Havaname 17:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)