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Wiel Arets
Wiel Arets (Heerlen, 14 mei 1955) is a Dutch architect. He graduated from the TU Eindhoven in 1983. In the following year he started his own firm, Wiel Arets architect & associates, in Heerlen. He prefers simple and abstract compositions. His palet is very sparse and he prefers black and white (including for his own clothes; he usually dresses in black).
His main claim to fame is his design for the Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten in Maastricht; his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek in Utrecht is also praised. With Jo Coenen he collaborated in the restauration of the glaspaleis in his birthplace Heerlen, and designed a number of pharmacies (?) in the south of the Netherlands. In Hapert he designed a complete Medisch Centrum (Oude Provinciale weg 81/Lindenstraat Hapert). The form language of neo-modernisme is combined with an abstract, placid aesthetic. His favorite building material is the glass brick.
Awards
In 2005, Wiel Arets received the BNA-Kubus, the oldest award for architecture in the Netherlands. The jury appreciated the remarkable quality of his work and praises his extraordinary contribution to architecture. The Kubus is awarded annually since 1965; previous winners include Herman Hertzberger, Wim Quist, Jo Coenen, Jo van den Broek, Benthem Crouwel and Hubert-Jan Henket, and Wessel de Jonge.
Also in 2005 Arets received the Rietveldprijs for his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek on De Uithof in Utrecht, which came with a check for 7500 euro. The Stichting Rietveldprijs awards the prize every other year to an architect who builds a remarkable building in Utrecht. Past winners include Koen van Velsen, Mart van Schijndel, and Rem Koolhaas.
References
This apparently has something to do with a thread on this page...
- Signing so this will be archived. Gracias Drmies for translation. Although the pharmacies issue makes me wonder whether you are really Dutch? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
It was about time you had one of these
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- This is great news indeed and cause for massive celebration. I've taken the liberty of reposting this fantastic news as many places as I could think of so that others can share in the good news. Thanks very much. You are very kind. Enjoy my day. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- Congratulations! I will be sure to celebrate in your honour today!--kelapstick (talk) 01:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. And remember, there's no U in my honor. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- The people who pay me can't convert me, so the people who don't pay me will not be able to either! Keep up the good work and good luck getting Bacon mania past the merge discussion.--kelapstick (talk) 03:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- Congratulations! And I'll just have you know that, as far as I am concerned, every day is CoM day. Later, Drmies (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- The people who pay me can't convert me, so the people who don't pay me will not be able to either! Keep up the good work and good luck getting Bacon mania past the merge discussion.--kelapstick (talk) 03:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. And remember, there's no U in my honor. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
- Congratulations! I will be sure to celebrate in your honour today!--kelapstick (talk) 01:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Tala maanam
All I know about this term is that it has something to do with Vaastu, which is about building design. Sorry to say that I don't know what it really means. Paalappoo (talk) 08:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Delete account
Wondering what this article is all about. From the author's talk page, it seems a previous article on the same subject was deleted. I feel this too has to be either deleted or moved. Paalappoo (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- It was actually an article on Display Magazine, an article that had been—and has again been—speedily deleted as advertising. I moved it and speedy requested the resulting redirect. Bongomatic 02:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Talk:List of liqueurs
Could you please refactor your comment here. I'm happy to clarify exactly what needs refactoring, if it isn't clear. However, I'm hoping that your comments were just made in the heat of a moment. Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 01:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking Ronz, but no. I'm happy with my comment. If you think it's inappropriate in some way feel free to report it at the appropriate notice board. I will be refactoring your retitling of my comment which is a clear violation of policy. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel that way, on all accounts. Too bad, because there are a few points worth discussing, but I rather the entire comment be ignored. --Ronz (talk) 02:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that GT's comment should be ignored, or better yet removed. The provocative title is bad enough in and of itself. Maybe you can mention to him/her how inappropriate it is to use an article discussion page in that way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Given GT's extreme patience, I think it's understandable. It's editors jumping in that I feel need to be ignored. --Ronz (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ronz, but "editors jumping in" is what Misplaced Pages is all about. Not always efficient or pleasing to everyone, but that's by design. Bongomatic 02:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jumping in with comments that don't belong, or require heavy refactoring to meet basic behavioral policies and guidelines is not what Misplaced Pages is about at all. In fact, it's specifically what Misplaced Pages is not --Ronz (talk) 02:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ronz, but "editors jumping in" is what Misplaced Pages is all about. Not always efficient or pleasing to everyone, but that's by design. Bongomatic 02:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Given GT's extreme patience, I think it's understandable. It's editors jumping in that I feel need to be ignored. --Ronz (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that GT's comment should be ignored, or better yet removed. The provocative title is bad enough in and of itself. Maybe you can mention to him/her how inappropriate it is to use an article discussion page in that way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel that way, on all accounts. Too bad, because there are a few points worth discussing, but I rather the entire comment be ignored. --Ronz (talk) 02:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Xôi
It must be a weird one, because we've got almost all of the normal ones at Xôi. The Vietnamese are wont to creating new varieties of all their foods, however. Badagnani (talk) 02:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I mentioned a free software program that will allow you to type all the diacritics, both Vietnamese and for any other language (very helpful when asking editors to look up etymologies)--did you want to set that up? I'll be happy to help you. Badagnani (talk) 02:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Articleworthy?
Hey old friend! My latest abomination: I Get That a Lot Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Looks good to me DC. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Batu Hijau mine
See if you can get some pictures for the Batu Hijau mine. That is if you can pry yourself away from baconian controversies. Cheerios.--kelapstick (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- you may have to fly there.--kelapstick (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Bike rides
Hey CoM, can you find a way to merge this information into The Strand (bicycle path)? I don't know this stuff well enough and don't have time to learn. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Would you like me to fold your laundry also? :) Only kidding. First you went after running and now biking. Soon we will be stuck on our couches eating bacon. A perfect world? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- I only run if I am being chased.--kelapstick (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- We had grits this morning, so I had to fry some bacon too, that's mandatory. I hope to finish this batch soon so I can get to the Niman Ranch, which is really tasty (and preferable for covering with chocolate). And thanks, but no thanks--I'm very picky about how my laundry is folded, and I don't approve of the American way (with the front of the t-shirt facing out, so to speak). On running, I'm with you, Kelapstick. Well, far behind you, probably. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was unaware of this.--kelapstick (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting point. Is that a specifically Canadian capability? (You know I've never met either a Canadian or a chicken?) Drmies (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Bacon and tomato sandwich for lunch, and yes we can turn into chickens at will. You've never met a Canadian? So I guess there is no way you can refute that statement!--kelapstick (talk) 19:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting point. Is that a specifically Canadian capability? (You know I've never met either a Canadian or a chicken?) Drmies (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was unaware of this.--kelapstick (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- We had grits this morning, so I had to fry some bacon too, that's mandatory. I hope to finish this batch soon so I can get to the Niman Ranch, which is really tasty (and preferable for covering with chocolate). And thanks, but no thanks--I'm very picky about how my laundry is folded, and I don't approve of the American way (with the front of the t-shirt facing out, so to speak). On running, I'm with you, Kelapstick. Well, far behind you, probably. Drmies (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- I only run if I am being chased.--kelapstick (talk) 17:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Obama is a Democrat
Thanks for adding an extra voice into stating the NPOV obvious on Obama's political positions page. EJNOGARB 17:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Re...
...this, thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Woodman's of Essex and Lawrence Woodman
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Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- Woohoo! Congratulations! Thanks for letting me play! Drmies (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Tobacky
I've rephrase (hopefully) to give preference to the article rather than original synthesis. The article and the quoted bit mentions the promise and the "breaking" of the promise so hopefully all are satisfied. Grsz 02:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Looks okay to me. Thanks for the note. I saw today that calls to tobacco help lines are supposedly increasing. On the other hand, taxes on cigarettes are a big revenue source for Government. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- And if it's going to healthcare, is there really a downside? It's one of those double-ended swords. You raise the hell out of the tax but hope they still steal or else it's pointless. Of course, I can't really see any significant drop in use forthcoming. Grsz 02:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Bacon cabal news
Bacon mania strikes wikipedia??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ha! You the man! Drmies (talk) 03:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- <mr burns>Excellent</mr burns>--kelapstick (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- And Turbaconducken...can there be such a thing, me hopes so.--kelapstick (talk) 03:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- :)
- And Turbaconducken...can there be such a thing, me hopes so.--kelapstick (talk) 03:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- <mr burns>Excellent</mr burns>--kelapstick (talk) 03:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I found this in Kelapstick's sandbox... User:Kelapstick/Sandbox5 ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- I am two steps ahead of you, I had it watched just in case you decided to do something like this, first time hearing the phrase though, help yourself to using it though, I do have a lot on the go there, but a couple are maintenance though. Feel free to expand Dead Hot Workshop in Sandbox 2.--kelapstick (talk) 03:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- ...that`s crazy talk!--kelapstick (talk) 04:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm thinking notability for turbaconducken and BaconToday is a "work in progress". Should I take one of them live just for fun? Think of the good times we've had at Bacon mania!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- You guys are sick, AND you're making me hungry. Drmies (talk) 05:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm thinking notability for turbaconducken and BaconToday is a "work in progress". Should I take one of them live just for fun? Think of the good times we've had at Bacon mania!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- ...that`s crazy talk!--kelapstick (talk) 04:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Mies, Dr., do you call the veggie imitation fakon, facon bacon (is it trademarked?) or facon? Is it a notable subject for its own article? I fear that the Vegans and kosher forces may be allied against us. I think we need to offer more in the way of alternatives. There is after all turkey bacon. Also can you have a look on the bacon mania talk page and see if you can make sense of the Shakespearean bacon mania connection. It has something to do with a conspiracy theorist having trichinosis of the brain, as I recall. But that's more your area of expertise. I found a good Weekly World News source for Turbaconducken. I wonder how much more will be needed to establish notability??? So many trials and tribulations. Isn't there a way to grease the gears, so to speak...??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you
Don't know if you're stalking my edits, or you saw my not on Alansohn's page, but thank you for improving the articles I've worked on recently. Bongomatic 08:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Bacon
Noting your apparent love of things bacony, I thought you would appreciate this product. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Gary Kendall and Notability
I thought his notability was fairly well established through the number of awards he has won, but I will endeavour to be more persuasive here.
Dreadarthur (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- An article on the Maple Blues Award might be nice. That article needs citations to substantial indpendent coverage from reliable sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Removed comments Obama talk page
I just noticed you removed some comments of mine. First, that is wrong and you need to stop now. You are an experienced editor, who has been warned many times, and are well familiar with dispute resolution procedures - contributing in an arbitration on this very matter. I will reinsert them, but given the disruption I think we should simply close the discussion. If you mess with this anymore we are going straight to AN/I and given your history you are probably asking for a topic ban. You have a history of harassing me and disrupting articles I am editing. You need to stop. Wikidemon (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2009 (UTC) - striking comments re-added by ChildofMidnight after I deleted them. Wikidemon (talk) 06:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Your comments were inappropriate. That article is on probation and your soap boxing and personal attacks had nothing to do with article content and were totally inappropriate, as is your continuing to post here despite being asked repeatedly not to do so. I'm not interested in your trolling and future comments will be removed. Please abide by the guidelines for article talk pages and behavior. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
AN/I report
Courtesy notice: I have filed an AN/I report here in attempt to deal with a discussion at Talk:Barack Obama, in which you have been involved, that I believe needs some administrative intervention. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 06:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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Dynamic resolution
Is that the proper way to cite Misplaced Pages articles; the way that guy did? Daniel Christensen (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Grundle
I encourage you to retract this personal attack, amongst others. It just takes a simple reading of WP:3RR to understand that three reverts are not a requirement for an edit-warring block. Grundle was and has been edit-warring across multiple articles, a particularly disruptive offense. Nish was well within his authority to block Grundle, as he is well aware that what he was doing was wrong. Please try and keep your POV out of the issue and encourage him to contribute constructively, rather than encouraging his accusations. Grsz 04:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Grsz, wasn't it you who suggested that he add that content to the Presidential article instead of the policy article? I don't remember the details, but he didn't violate 3RR and was making a discussed and suggested edit. It's a totally bogus block and as I recall it came hours after the fact when the editor wasn'te ven around any more. "Edit warring across numerous articles"? That's a load of bull. That admin has refused to provide diffs, refused to explain, and it's a bogus block. Such is life. I appreciate your note, and as my message was received by its intended recipient (the aggrieved editor and not the Admin involved) I am happy to remove the bit you object to. Thanks for the note. I would appreciate it if you would ask those making personal attacks against me on the Obama talk page to refactor. Consistency is important. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find a personal attack. But you have my permission to remove whatever bit you object to. Have a nice evening. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- It wasn't my suggestion, but I do recall it. He was warring at both Political positions of and Presidency of Barack Obama - the multiple articles I was referring to. Grsz 04:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- And yet the example we both recall was him discussing and following a suggestion made by his adversaries, which I think was the last edit he made. This is what he was blocked for, hours after the fact? Come on. The block was lousy, the unsupported personal attack contained in it worse, and the refusal to explain the block unacceptable. Shit happens. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, I wasn't around for all the boring details, I'm just here to look at all the pieces after. The way I look at it, he's lucky he hadn't been blocked earlier. This was a long time coming and hopefully will open his eyes - I think I said something to that effect on his page. Cheers, Grsz 04:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- So when you're reverting his edits it's okay, but when he's trying to add sourced information it's edit warring? I find that interpretation of the rules a bit of a stretch. :) I'm always especially appreciative when someone reverting my edits is good enough to warn me about edit warring. Awfully generous of them I'd say. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- WP:NPA is a two-way street. I made a mild comment regarding Grundle gaming 3RR (note that "gaming" was not why I blocked Grundle) and you accused me of violating WP:NPA. In response to the block, you said I should be blocked for misconduct and referred to the editors in opposition (me included, I presume) as "slime". Cut the bullshit and clean up your act instead of resorting to petty name calling and unfounded accusations. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- You violated the guidelines on assuming good faith, you made a personal attack, you made an unusual block where you acknowledge there wasn't a violation of 3RR, and you didn't properly investigate to see the editor was discussing the changes and was following a suggestion made on the article discussion page. You refused to explain your block and refused to provide diffs. Not a very impressive performance. We all make mistakes. When they're pointed out to us we need to fix them. It's unfortunate you aren't willing to take accountability for yours. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- WP:NPA is a two-way street. I made a mild comment regarding Grundle gaming 3RR (note that "gaming" was not why I blocked Grundle) and you accused me of violating WP:NPA. In response to the block, you said I should be blocked for misconduct and referred to the editors in opposition (me included, I presume) as "slime". Cut the bullshit and clean up your act instead of resorting to petty name calling and unfounded accusations. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- And yet the example we both recall was him discussing and following a suggestion made by his adversaries, which I think was the last edit he made. This is what he was blocked for, hours after the fact? Come on. The block was lousy, the unsupported personal attack contained in it worse, and the refusal to explain the block unacceptable. Shit happens. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- It wasn't my suggestion, but I do recall it. He was warring at both Political positions of and Presidency of Barack Obama - the multiple articles I was referring to. Grsz 04:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find a personal attack. But you have my permission to remove whatever bit you object to. Have a nice evening. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Category:Bacon dishes
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It ain't bacon... but it does deal with a sort of ham:
Please take a look and advise: User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Bill Oberst Jr. Thank you., Schmidt, 04:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- You're welcome. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- I like your tweak. Schmidt, 18:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Whit Cunliffe
If you could take some time out of your busy schedule of annoying the liberal elite, I would appreciate your looking into this guy, see if you can find anything (my quick search pulled up nothing)...--kelapstick (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- You needed a source to add this. Sat like that for over a month...I wonder how many people saw that in that period of time...--kelapstick (talk) 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well isn't that "dandy". Sunny here today, but supposed to cool off later this week. I saw somewhere that sunspot activity is at a cyclical low. I hope it's warm enough where you and Mies, Dr. are. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Muchos gracias for your work. It was cool this weekend, and the alfalfa watering systems were covered with ice this morning (along with about 100 feet (30.48 m) of field on either side of them), but it should warm up today. Well I have to get back to pretending to be a geologist. --kelapstick (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well isn't that "dandy". Sunny here today, but supposed to cool off later this week. I saw somewhere that sunspot activity is at a cyclical low. I hope it's warm enough where you and Mies, Dr. are. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Frank
I've reverted your recent change to Barney Frank. The lede already describes his involvement in civil rights, of which gay rights is a part; therefore, that addition was redundant. The medical weed addition was trivial, and the removal of the other thing was against overwhelming consensus. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- "Civil and political rights are a class of rights and freedoms that protect individuals from the government and state power, and assure the ability to participate in the civic and political life of the state." So it's too general and inaccurate to say Frank is an advocate of civil rights. It is accurate and encyclopedic to say Frank is an advocate for Gay rights and medical marijuana, major issues that are discussed extensively in the article. At the same time you and other POV pushing editors acting against guidelines continue to add a quote from Bill Clinton's speech writer to the introduction. Please stop damaging the encyclopedia according to your personal biases and respect the policies on NPOV, undue weight, and notability. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Gay rights are a subset of civil rights. You have no consensus for your changes. Please stop using Misplaced Pages as an organ to vent your hate of the liberal majority. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Your anti-gay agenda is distrubing. I'm not sure why you want to censor Frank's lifetime of work as an advocate for gay rights, but this violates numerous wikipedia policies. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Gay rights are a subset of civil rights. You have no consensus for your changes. Please stop using Misplaced Pages as an organ to vent your hate of the liberal majority. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Political positions of Barack Obama
I've reverted your latest round of POV-pushing. There is an ongoing talk page discussion about this very matter, with significant concern for the "Democrat" label. It indicates party membership and/or affiliation, not political position. Democrats have a wide variety of political positions, obviously. Please consider discussing these matters on talk pages before changing articles. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- The connection between party affiliation and political positions is obvious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- No. They certainly overlap, but there is no direct correlation. That is why talk page discussion is essential, because things are not black or white in the real world. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- The idea that Obama's political affiliation and party membership isn't relevant to his political positions is preposterous. I'm not sure why you continue to act against Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, but your behavior is disruptive. Please don't post on my talk page. I'm not interested in conversing with you further. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- No. They certainly overlap, but there is no direct correlation. That is why talk page discussion is essential, because things are not black or white in the real world. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Anti-gay bias
I am not biased against the gay community, and you know this perfectly well. Removing your ill-conceived garbage from articles is not a statement about my own social position. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed your personal views are irrelevant, so you should stop removing notable content that addresses Barney Frank's work as an advocate for gay rights. Whatever personal animosity you have for gays cannot justify this attack on notable content that meets all guidelines for inclusion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- You can desist now from accusing other editors, whom you apparently disagree, of harming wikipedia when they are actually working to unravel wp:soapboxing edits especially on BLPs. If you continue in this manner I will unfortunely be compelled to ask for some admin assist to minimize the disruption. -- Banjeboi 21:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- You are welcome to ask for Admin assistance. I am hopeful that a good faith admin will take action against edits that go against Misplaced Pages guidelines and the harm that these edits do to the encyclopedia. I can't say I'm especially optimistic, because Scjessey has been allowed to continue a campaign of personal attacks and improper behavior for some time now despite numerous warnings from editors and admins).
- You can desist now from accusing other editors, whom you apparently disagree, of harming wikipedia when they are actually working to unravel wp:soapboxing edits especially on BLPs. If you continue in this manner I will unfortunely be compelled to ask for some admin assist to minimize the disruption. -- Banjeboi 21:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't hold grudges and I'm happy to assume good faith and work with any editor, whatever their opinions, but editors must abide by Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Misplaced Pages isn't censored. It's based on the most notable content from the best sources. I encourage you to consider carefully why you're trying to remove content that is well sourced and appropriate per guidelines. This harms the encyclopedia. I'm happy to assume good faith, but I can't see any reason other than malicious motives. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Any review of your edits on the Frank article - I haven't looked throught your other edits - will show you repeatedly added, and re-added, negative, biased and poorly sourced content on the BLP. You campaigned to remove well-sourced positive information while again working to add material against consensus and policy. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground so I'm unsure if you're looking for a Pyrrhic defeat or what but your energy is likely better spent contributing constructively on subjects you do approve. -- Banjeboi 21:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- As this dispute makes clear you are simply mistaken. Barney Frank's being a leading advocate for gay rights is VERY well sourced and discussed extensively in the article body. Frank is also notable as a leading figure on the banking committee (in the minority and now the majority party). I am very happy to collaborate on NPOV language, but I've been met with wholesale reversions and personal attacks. His advocacy for medical marijuana is also quite notable and discussed in the article. I don't know how you can accuse me of violating NPOV for trying to include straightforward statements. You've reverted them and repeatedly added a quote saying he is a bipartisan bridge builder and another promotional quote about his intelligence, neither of which belongs in the introduction and the bipartisan one is contradicted by the best sources and is quite misleading. Numerous editors have tried to rectify this situation (see also the discussion on the talk page). I'm happy to work with you on improving the article. But so far your efforts aren't consistent with those of a good faith editor. I hope this will change and when the situation improves I know you will find me a very collegial and helpful editor who is happy to work with people of varying opinions and approaches as long as they respect guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- First off your editing style on that article directly contradicts your statements. As has now been explained a few times. Gay rights are a part of civil rights and Frank's working on civil rights is in the lede, in fact it's one of the statements you reeatedly deleted and now a concensus has determined it should stay. Frank's role regarding the Senate finance committee is alos in the lede, I know as I put it there. It is part of another statemnet you repeatedly tried to remove and was reinserted by consensus. If you have a reliable source that contradicts he is a bipartisan bridge-builder then suggest it on the talkpage. We do a have a reliable source that he is one - again, a statement you have edit-warred to remove. His advocacy for medical marijuana doesn't seem to be that notable or even remarkable, as such it is discussed in the article and, arguably, may be considered a part of those civil rights that are mentioned in the lede. -- Banjeboi 22:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- As this dispute makes clear you are simply mistaken. Barney Frank's being a leading advocate for gay rights is VERY well sourced and discussed extensively in the article body. Frank is also notable as a leading figure on the banking committee (in the minority and now the majority party). I am very happy to collaborate on NPOV language, but I've been met with wholesale reversions and personal attacks. His advocacy for medical marijuana is also quite notable and discussed in the article. I don't know how you can accuse me of violating NPOV for trying to include straightforward statements. You've reverted them and repeatedly added a quote saying he is a bipartisan bridge builder and another promotional quote about his intelligence, neither of which belongs in the introduction and the bipartisan one is contradicted by the best sources and is quite misleading. Numerous editors have tried to rectify this situation (see also the discussion on the talk page). I'm happy to work with you on improving the article. But so far your efforts aren't consistent with those of a good faith editor. I hope this will change and when the situation improves I know you will find me a very collegial and helpful editor who is happy to work with people of varying opinions and approaches as long as they respect guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Any review of your edits on the Frank article - I haven't looked throught your other edits - will show you repeatedly added, and re-added, negative, biased and poorly sourced content on the BLP. You campaigned to remove well-sourced positive information while again working to add material against consensus and policy. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground so I'm unsure if you're looking for a Pyrrhic defeat or what but your energy is likely better spent contributing constructively on subjects you do approve. -- Banjeboi 21:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't hold grudges and I'm happy to assume good faith and work with any editor, whatever their opinions, but editors must abide by Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Misplaced Pages isn't censored. It's based on the most notable content from the best sources. I encourage you to consider carefully why you're trying to remove content that is well sourced and appropriate per guidelines. This harms the encyclopedia. I'm happy to assume good faith, but I can't see any reason other than malicious motives. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
<outdent> Needless to say, civil rights is a very broad concept. Campaign contributions, gun rights, the fairness doctrine, polygamy, and property rights also fall under the category of civil rights issues broadly construed. Without clarifying what is meant by the statement that Frank is a supporter of civil rights, the reader is left with an abstract and possibly misleading impression. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a mechanism for sloganeering or campaigning. Frank is an advocate of gay rights, it's a major part of his life's work. He's also prominent advocate and legislator for medical marijuana. And he's also been a prominent figure on the banking committee in the minority party and now in the majority party. This content needs to be covered. Particularly in the case of gay rights, where his work is extremely prominent and notable, I can't understand why you are trying to hide or censor this content. It goes against policy and it's inappropriate. Please stop. If you check the talk page you will see that I have already provided sources that dispute a characterization of Frank as bipartisan. Frankly (no pun intended) I think this is fairly obvious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
April 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Barney Frank. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ 22:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- I just added a photo that was proposed on the talk page. I'm not sure which edits you are referring to with this warning, but I'm quite certain that I haven't violated 3RR and have been scrupulous in trying to avoid edit warring. I welcome your help and input on the inappropriate reversions, inappropriate inclusions, and inexplicable censorship that's taking place in that article. There are grotesque violations of Misplaced Pages guidelines that shouldn't be allowed to stand. I Also think you should probably explain this warning, as it serves to feed the trolls. All of my edits have been in good faith and consistent with policy. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)