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Back for the third time. New version, so it dodges G4 CSD, but it still doesn't assert a single evidence of notability. Thoughts? - Vianello (Talk) 10:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep The article is well written and just as valid as most of other opensource project pages. I will personally work on improving it even further when necessary. Here's an review of the game btw http://freeorion.en.softonic.com/ . The project/game is also well referred among Master of Orion and 4X strategy game communities.Peer-LAN (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Response. Unfortunately, a personal assessment of "gamer community" is not a reliable source. A review's more a step in the right direction. - Vianello (Talk) 11:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete & salt - still no reliable sources supporting a verifiable and neutral article. MLauba (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete & salt. The only references are from its own website and sourceforge. Clearly not notable, and the author has not made any attempt to establish notability following previous AfD discussions. Quantpole (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Keep What's with all the hate? The article is good and the project is well enough known, well better position then most open source game with wikipedia pages. Some aditional links http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Free%20Orion, http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080511064350671/FreeOrion.html Dauntless (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- J 13:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete -- How many times does this need to be deleted? Still advertising for nonnotable software. If other open source games with less reason for being here have Misplaced Pages articles, as Dauntless suggests, those should be deleted as well. DreamGuy (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Response. That's just not true. It is a notable open source game, with over fifty thousand google results (which is a lot, e.g. Quiet Exit the debut album of Norwegian singer-songwriter Elvira Nikolaisen that is now on the main page at Did you know... or Robert Lee Howze who's also there have less), with packages distributed on several Linux repositories and available for Windows/Mac. It is notable, I can give millions of examples of articles (not game related) that have fewer results (not that I support the removal of those). Look, I just pushed the random button and I got Dale L. Walker, Cassidy's Ltd,Victor Pasmore, BTC Racing, Cotelsat, Marcos Elias, Enyinnaya Abaribe etc... I could go on for ever, with fewer results! This game is notable enough and well known in the gaming community. The fact that open source games don't have advertisement on commercial game magazines doesn't mean that it's not N. This game is notable whether you like it or not, and there are a whole lot more things out there then this wikipedia page that deserver attention. Leave this page alone already, I rewrote it to meet Misplaced Pages standards, now if you want to improve come and help. Peer-LAN (talk) 15:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Merge to Master of Orion per WP:NNC if sufficient RS to establish N cannot be found. Seems to have sufficient sourcing to meet V, so salting is absolutely not appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete and salt. Three deletion debates and no-one has produced reliable sources to indicate it passes WP:WEB? Jesus. Delete and salt, at best it gets one line in the Master of Orion series page. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/complex 16:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Merge to Master of Orion per WP:NNC — for now. The article already seems to meet the verifiability guidelines but it still doesn't appear to be notable enough to justify its separate existence. Also, "how many times does this need to be deleted?" is not a valid question. Since the project in a state of continuing development, it will presumably meet the notability guidelines at some time in the future.
- Relevant search results:
- Rankiri (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - The game has been around for a long time, though it's still in alpha, and is based on / inspired by a classic 4X game. It's worth having it in Misplaced Pages. If we don't want to keep it as its own article, we should at least Merge it with the Master of Orion page. I agree with Jclemens—there is no reason to salt this article. Peyre (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per LAN. — Jake Wartenberg 17:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - Google returns mostly download and forum links. Nothing more substantial. SharkD (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see any reliable third-party sources, necessary to demonstrate notability. Powers 18:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Delete This is basically advertising. Without reliable third-party sources it cannot be a complete NPOV article. I might also add that WP:GOOGLE and WP:OTHERSTUFF are not in themselves valid arguments. bridies (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Rally cry on their forums. MLauba (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added {{afdanons}}. — Jake Wartenberg 18:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment A rally call for improving the quality of the article... is that somehow "bad" in your opinion? I haven't even thought this will happen; after all it's a well balanced article for a quite well known open source game. I didn't expected The Spanish Inquisition. Peer-LAN (talk) 18:47, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Question to SALT !voters Why? What would salting this accomplish that simply protecting a redirect to Master of Orion wouldn't accomplish? Jclemens (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)