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Meelar (talk) 02:07, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Boris, I'm sorry I was in there editing at the same time as you, hope I didn't edit conflict you. The History looks a little worrying—please check that I haven't accidentally overwritten any of your changes! (I know the new software was dealing badly with edit conflicts a couple of days ago, at least.) Anyway, I'm all done now, edit in peace! Bishonen | talk 30 June 2005 06:53 (UTC)

Borlaug edit is done

I was just applying a standard referencing system through the article, which is a pain, but completely necessary.--nixie 30 June 2005 08:39 (UTC)

Thanks for support

Thanks for supporting African-American literature as a featured article candidate. Best, --Alabamaboy 1 July 2005 00:39 (UTC)

LaRouche

I've left a comment on your nomination page. My guess is that Mark, the editor who decides about nominations, will not take Cognition's objections seriously, especially if the latter's outnumbered. I'm sorry you're having to put up with this nonsense. It's nerve-wracking enough to have an article up for FAC without having to deal with LaRouchies. SlimVirgin July 2, 2005 10:19 (UTC)

Sun Yat-sen

Do you have Chinese installed on your computer? If not, then the ???s are probably Chinese characters (I can't see any ???s). Try not using IE and switch to Firefox (www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/). Then you can see every language.

Group

Hi...thanks for the note. I don't know anything about a Christian web group but will try and let you know if I hear anything. God bless! KHM03 6 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

Re:Sun Yat-sen FAC

I'm glad you've decided to take on the task of improving the article....it was something I really wanted to do but never got to doing...

I've replied at Talk:Sun Yat-sen. --Jiang 8 July 2005 10:38 (UTC)

What revert?

Where have I reverted anything?--Fenice 8 July 2005 16:36 (UTC)

Well, then I seriously wonder why that is not in the text. Again, it is possible on wikipedia to make your nazi-accomodating point. There is nothing I can/will do about it. I think it is a shame, you do not think so. So what else is new. You are uncooperative to an astonishing degree: you're complaining on my talk-page that I have never asked for the solution just mentioned (mentioning annexation and clearly saying it is not one). That is what I have been typing into the keyboard at least ten times this week. So you can ask yourself again, why it is that the article is unimprovable. I am just not into this kind of stupidity, I know many people here are. Can you imagine how this would be going on? The two of us would take 500 weeks to improve the article, reverter themanwithoutapast not considered.--Fenice 8 July 2005 16:52 (UTC)

I've removed the tag. Although minor POV points still exist here and there, I am certain a reader going through the article will understand that most Austrians supported the Anschluss as a unification. Listen, I don't want to make an enemy out of you. Read my edit history on the article and you will see that all my edits shifted the article toward your point of view. I have no POV to push; I just want to save what is in my opinion a very good article from being de-FA'd. And please don't make references to "cheap asian products", this may be interpreted as an ethnic slur. Borisblue 8 July 2005 15:51 (UTC)

• Thanks for removing the 'asian' comment. Be careful about stuff like this, we asians are very proud of our manufacturing industry :) Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:15 (UTC)
  • Fenice, reverting a statement backed by both britannica and encarta will not go down well in your FARC...Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:33 (UTC)
    • for your info, you've reverted back to your edit ignoring the word "annexation" completely ( the one user:themanwithoutapast originally reverted. I've sourced my claims for annexation to be included Fenice; But I actually kind of like your idea :"You have also not offered a viable solution, that is mentioning annexation and demonstrating it wasn't one - which would be the obvious Misplaced Pages way to solve a dispute"

so why didn't you do this? We both agree that a) significant amounts of people and sources call it annexation. and b)The Austrians supported the Anschluss, so it wasn't a real invasion, so what precisely are we arguing about?? Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:44 (UTC)

• • • • check my latest version Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:51 (UTC)
        • Your edits don't mention the word annexation. You haven't made a single edit between tagging it, and Re-tagging it so when exactly did you put your solution in place? Nevermind, i've already done it, just comment as appopriate.Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)
          • Maybe we should merge this discussion. Your place or mine? Borisblue 8 July 2005 16:56 (UTC)

• whoa, merging is messy. Borisblue 8 July 2005 17:00 (UTC)

Your place or mine? I'd say we are even on slurs now. The right place for further discussion is Talk:Anschluss.--Fenice 8 July 2005 17:02 (UTC)

Peace Dove

Hello, Borisblue. I noticed that you added the Peace Dove award on Misplaced Pages:Barnstars on Misplaced Pages. It has been removed because it was not officialized through Misplaced Pages:Barnstar and award proposals. If you wish to nominate something to become an official Misplaced Pages award, please add it there. Thanks, Sango123 July 8, 2005 19:23 (UTC)

Thanks for proposing the Peace Dove on WP:BAP. I'll comment on it tomorrow; I think it has quite some potential. Sango123 July 9, 2005 03:19 (UTC)

Hi Boris, about the Anschluss article

Just wanted to say, the reason for me to keep out of the discussion is that I don't think it is possible to talk touser:Fenice in a reasonable manner. Even before he realised that this article exists it was difficult to keep the article to some extend NPOV. Now with regard to Fenice persistent view that the Anschluss was a "joining" meaning a voluntary act by Austria (through its representative body = government of that time) I just don't know where he is taking that from - the point is the German army marched into Austria and Austrians were cheering (not fighting)- if we want to call it an annexation or not, a voluntary joining is something else - for instance Austria's joining the European Union. I also don't see if Fenice is ultra-right wing or ultra-left wing or just wants to have history written his way and to be honest I don't care.

So thx for making an effort to keep the article as a FA, however as for me I will keep myself from getting involved in any history or political articles on wikipedia in the future - they are doomed to be subject to dispute always and forever.

Salut and greetings from rainy NYC. Themanwithoutapast 19:58, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

WP:KC

Hi, Borisblue. The Peace Dove proposal passed with all support votes and one neutral at the Kindness Campaign talk page. It is now listed on the main KC page. Congratulations! :) Sango123 20:57, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

Kate

I saw at Kate's page you said you assumed Kate is male. To you does not Kate ring a bell as a female name? When would it ever be a male name? Redwolf24 10:03, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

ehe ;) well, i don't have any particular preference what gender people refer to me as, so... use whichever's easiest. —kate

See my talk page. Redwolf24 00:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat Sen again

So far I've heard of no opinions saying the long "names" section is bad, and I've only heard some saying it will be bad shortening or removing it. Deryck C. 11:09, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Put it on FA after the PR falls to the second half of the page. Deryck C. 13:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm now waiting for further advice from a person who finished dozend of FACs. After that I'll do the FAC. Deryck C. 07:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the comment inresponse to what erwin wrote. I wasn't sure how to handle that. --ZeWrestler 18:21, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat-sen (4)

That expert gave no response. I think we're going to tackle the FAC by ourselves, possibly seeking help from some other Hongkongers. Deryck C. 10:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

message rec'd - thx

I got your message in regards to the picture on the grave site (on my user page).

Indeed, I have thought about driving out there (I live about 60-80 miles away), but I am very limited on funds. (Plus my big Chevy Monte' Carlo car gets about 15' miles per gallon, not great, especially considering I might get lost on the way there and back --and have to pay for photos.)

If this is necessary, I will attempt to take care of it, but Fair Use might allow the pic. Also from an aesthetic or appearance point of view, I understand that maybe it would help to have a picture that meets the highest standards.

I do hope to find time to look into this and address the concerns. Yes, you are right: A large part of the responsability (maybe a majority?) to address concerns lies with me, as the nominator -I raised the nomination, just as I pointed out that others raised objections. (While I'm unemployed, I do spend time preparing for a job search, but this is my "day off," and I hope to "find time.") If I do take any photos, I hope to include some with me in them, simply to prove that I was really there and I took the photos, so I can dispell concerns about "Did he really take photos?" Of course, I don't need to be in the photo that goes in the article, but it would be good to keep all photos in archival for a record.

Thank you for reminding me.--GordonWattsDotCom 14:02, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat-sen FAC

Sun Yat-sen & LaRouche

I saw your question on User talk:Cberlet. The American System was a concept of Henry Clay in the early 18th century. Virtually all modern applications of the term to later individuals are directly derived from LaRouche theories. They should be removed from articles, based on both an ArbCom decision and on good sense. Many uses of the phrase "American system" in regard to Sun are references to other schemes or theories that are unrelated to Clay's. -Willmcw 01:18, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligence in this matter. Due to your efforts, combined with those of numerous other editors, this article has become yet another example of the success of the Misplaced Pages approach. Yes, oddball theories are added and may stay for a year or more before being properly addressed. However that is relatively rare, in my opinion, and is more than balanced by our NPOV treatments of those very same oddball theories. For example, our articles about Lyndon LaRouche and his enterprises are the most detailed and comprehensive reference available online. Cheers, -Willmcw 08:06, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

Kathleen Blanco

(Re)-inserting demonstrably false info into the article on Kathleen Blanco and describing a correction as "vandalism" are not suitable behaviour.

mandy moore vandal

Thanks for letting me know, I just wanted to let you know that I setup a page at User:Jtkiefer/MMV to catalogue all the IP's used by this vandal, please feel free to add any more you see to the list. Jtkiefer ----- 02:20, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know that the current view on this seems to be to just revert and ignore this vandal since it appears to be a user using random IP's and vandalizing random pages which means that there's not a great deal that can be done about it. You're welcome to keep updating the list though if you'd like, even though it probably won't do much good. Jtkiefer ----- 02:55, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat-Sen & American System

Sun Yat-Sen is seen as the "father" of modern China by Western conservatives and many moderates, but within China and among progressive scholars this is a contentious issue. Sun Yat-Sen certainly favored some sort of U.S. model, but I am not sure that it is fair to claim that he supported specifically the American System, and since that is used as a classic propoganda term by the LaRouchites, I would ask for a non-LaRouchite cite for both elements of the claim just to be safe.--Cberlet 12:46, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Hah! pays to read the top material first. Both my concerns are already in the article. "forerunner of the revolution" and the discussion on the article page about his legacy covers that part, and the industrious Willmcw already nailed the "American System" issue.--Cberlet 12:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

reverted edits by x

Hi, I'm new to RC patrol, and I was wondering how you do the 'reverted edits by X to version by Y' edit summary. Is there a shortcut to reverting an edit?Borisblue 22:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Those who have been granted administrator status have access to a "rollback" feature which does this automatically. Otherwise you will need to create a macro or type the text in manually. —RaD Man (talk) 01:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Those who have been granted administrator status have access to... Huh? Yes, you're right that you can type it in manually, but Borisblue may not understand: He was asking "how do I, a non-admin, regular user, make an edit summary?" ANSWER: While you have the edit window open (like I am doing right now), you see the little "edit summary" box below? Well, just add some text in there as comments, and it appears in the edit history as additional commentary. The title to the sub-section automatically appears below, and you can add to it --or even subtract from it. Borisblue, do you understand? Hope this helps!--GordonWattsDotCom 02:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Umm, actually I was asking how they got the automatic computer-generated edit summaries, like "reverted edits by 111.222.11 to version by Borisblue". That was the admin rollback feature. But thanks for the help anyway, Gordon :)

Borisblue 02:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I see! (upon 2nd reading, hindsight is better, maybe 20-20) Thx 4 the clarification.--GordonWattsDotCom 02:54, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: reverted edits by x

Hello, at the moment, the edit summary is only available as the automatic result of the "rollback" link that admins have on diff pages and user contribution pages. However, it is not a requirement to state who's edits you're reverting and what version you're reverting too, its just an easy way for others to keep track of who is making edits that need reverting. You can feel free to just use short edit summaries like "rv" or "rvv", etc. Sorry that that is all I can offer, and good luck patrolling.  —siroχo 01:58, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

What Siroxo said. :D —RaD Man (talk) 02:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

In re: , here's Mark's comments on stability

In re your post: here, here are comments by Mark aka Raul654, the Fac editor, and a big wheel in Misplaced Pages:

(quoting Mark here) "I think you misunderstand the stability requirement - the stability requirement is meant to discourage articles that are *currently* unstable; it's not meant to apply indefinitely to the future. In the case of this article, it's only gotten 5 small edits in the last week, which (to me, as the person who wrote that requirement) is relatively stable →Raul654 05:48, August 26, 2005 (UTC)" the diff for this edit of Raul

"(quoting Mark again, a little later) Also, given all the changes, it's rather unstable ATM (50% of the article disappear overnight) so if/when this nom fails, it might be a good idea to renominate it again in a couple weeks. at 2:25, here at this diff, Mark (aka Raul654) clarifies and changes his mind. However, things have calmed down. It is stable now, and may be in the near future, but that is not guaranteed. However, no less than four editors, on the Fac talk page, said something about waiting. I wonder why, but they seem eerily unified on the issue, and honestly wondering. I wonder what would be best.

The article is good, but some editors are uncertain of that. I don't know how to proceed here, but all that I have said seems true -and this is confusing, because some observations indicate that "all is OK, proceed" while others suggest "wait for others to feel comfortable." ?? --GordonWattsDotCom 03:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

For news on the issues of conflict, see the Schiavo talk page (it's pretty short and small right now) and also the edit comments and edit history, diff by diff (i.e., scroll through the changes one-by-one -you know how to work the diffs, right?)--GordonWattsDotCom 03:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• PS: Here's the list of concerned editors and the diff:

• • the diff, which is a "permanent link" and referring to:

• • Alabama Boy, Nichalp, and Taxman (there were three opposing editors, not four, but I had counted Mark's rejection as the 4th one who wanted to wait)
  • Ryan Norton and I want to move forward now; you are in-between, as I read you, and the uncertainty of my colleagues makes me uncertain or "in-between," sitting on the fence on this issue.--GordonWattsDotCom 03:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the support on my RfA. I was very pleasantly surprised to see so much support throughout the week. It never ceases to amaze me that people will fight over the minutiae of the Misplaced Pages, but I suppose in the end the scrutiny that every little thing gets can only be a good thing. Please do keep an eye on me and my logs, especially while I'm learning the ropes with the new buttons. Thanks again! -Splash 00:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Work? PhD? When I could be wikiing? Am I confused? -Splash 02:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

block

Hi Boris--I blocked him for a few hours. He's at the University of Sherbrooke, Quebec, so the IP may be shared. Hopefully he'll be doing something else by then. Happy editing and thanks for the RC patrol work! Antandrus (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Your help is also needed at Talk:Terri_Schiavo

Your help is also needed at Talk:Terri_Schiavo

...time-sensitive issues; could you come and vote. Come and vote, please?--GordonWattsDotCom 07:24, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

• I apologize for misquoting you; it has been a hectic week, and after a 2nd look at your comment, it seels vaguely familiar, --yes, I think it was another editor who made that analysi -sorry for the oversight; overworked poor brain and "we're all human" weaknesses...--GordonWattsDotCom 04:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Sun Yat-sen

Sorry, I only realized there was already discussion ongoing at User talk:Deryck Chan after I posted the explicit "object". I left a note at User talk:Deryck Chan#Sun Yat-sen. I'm also in the US and there are indeed some texts that go into detail (albeit from the western perspective which is good because the Chinese perspective can be easily found on the net) on Sun Yat-sen. (I happen to have the book by Bergere ISBN 0804740119 with me right now.) However, these texts will go on for hundreds of pages and into much more detail than what we need. So per User talk:Deryck Chan, if you would like to see the encyclopedia articles, then just drop a note. Just making sure that we cover what the "competitors" cover and not bias the article with the Sun "cult" should be sufficient. --Jiang 06:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA

Borisblue, Please support my request for adminship on en.Misplaced Pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/GordonWattsDotCom

Thx.--GordonWattsDotCom 15:08, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Request

I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Your 2¢ sought: Much positive feedback for Schiavo FA-nom

Your 2¢ sought: The Terri Schiavo Featured Article nomination has made much progress and has received much positive feedback, including some from Mark (AKA →Raul654), the FA-editor: Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Terri_Schiavo. As one of the esteemed editors in that vein, I'd like you to review the FA-nom and throw in your 2¢-worth. Thx.--GordonWatts 15:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Nice news

Whatever happened before, Sun Yat-sen is scheduled to be on the main page on 8.10.2005. Let's do every measure to improve the article within these few days! Deryck C. 17:13, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA!

My dear Boris, I simply wanted to drop by now that my RfA is closed to give you a big THANK YOU! for your kind support. Your consideration that editcountitis is bad since we all go through periods of inactivity, when the matter was being put against me by a few people, gave me strength and cheered me up a lot; I felt I was being understood at last. You'll always have a friend in me. Hugs! Shauri Yes babe? 20:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

So what do you do in your spare time?

Dear Boris,

How often do you read articles such as the President of the U.S. that you can change them every five minutes?

Just wondering is all.

Volvo

Hoping you can help, I keep editing the Volvo Cars page so that the information contained within the page is accurate. I am an Auto Analyst and I know Volvo quite well. Please help.

Thanks

Thanks for the kind words about my possibilities as an administrator...it's just not something in which I'm interested at this time; maybe in the future. Thanks again...KHM03 22:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Newton & Flamsteed

From John Arbuthnot:

"Arbuthnot was an amiable individual, and Swift said that the only fault an enemy could lay upon him was a slight waddle in his walk. His conviviality and his royal connections made him an important figure in the Royal Society. In 1705, Arbuthnot became physician extraordinary to Queen Anne, and at the same time was put on the board trying to publish the Historia coelestius. Isaac Newton and Edmund Halley wanted it published immediately, to support their work on orbits, while John Flamsteed, the Royal Astronomer whose observations they were, wanted to keep the data secret until he had perfected it. The result was that Arbuthnot used his leverage as friend and physician to Prince George, whose money was paying for the publication, to force Flamsteed to allow it out, albeit with serious errors, in 1712. Also as a scholar, Arbuthnot took up an interest in antiquities and published Tables of Grecian, Roman, and Jewish measures, weights and coins; reduced to the English standard in 1705, 1707, 1709, and, expanded with a preface (which indicated that his second son, Charles, was born in 1705), in 1727 and 1747."

Since Isaac Newton mentions the enmity of Flamsteed, I thought I'd point this bit out. Arbuthnot, incidentally, was a friend of Newton's from about 1695, but Arbuthnot had a lot of friends and never took credit for himself, so no one knows much about his role. (Arbuthnot said, "Biography is one of the new terrors of death," so he intentionally made it difficult for anyone to write a biography.) Geogre 02:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Newton

Thanks for addressing the things I pointed out on the FAC nomination, I haven't changed my vote to support because I'm waiting to see if other people have problems with the content. I don't know enough about him to make such judgements, but comapred to an article like Charles Darwin it seems kind of thin, for example as far as I can tell there is reatively little summray of the biographcial detail that currently resides in The writing of Principia Mathematica, and what is mentioned is mixed in with scientific research - which doesn't make much sense now the article has been split into biography, research etc. With this split there is also now a 30 year gap in the biographical information. Shouldn't there also be a summary section for his occult views in addition to that on his religious views?--nixie 02:27, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Rollback Liberation

I do not know if you have seen this yet. If so, just ignore this message. See ya. --Lord Voldemort 13:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Hermione1980's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA; I really appreciate it! I will do my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, Hermione1980 23:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

congratulations

congratulations to you on making your 1000 edit that is really great Yuckfoo 04:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanx for Welcome

Thankyou for the welcome. I regards to your suggestion of getting an account. My current decision is not to for now, I'll see if I want to stick around. (Any changes made on Misplaced Pages by User:203.164.18x.xxx is certainly by me.) Mark 01:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Gauss

hello there, yes thanks for pointing that info out, I did not see that part. Happy editing as well... Gryffindor 09:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Thank you for your honesty Borisblue. I see what you mean. However, maybe this discussion here will show you why I did what I did and why it was a mistake and maybe it will put the issue into perspective. The other allegations of Islam bias, etc. are not true and are why users are making such comments are explained by my responses to some editors. Also the comments by oceansplash may tell you who is actually biased. Thank you very much.:) --a.n.o.n.y.m 00:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks like he's just editing his own user talk page, though. If I see him start on some articles I'll consider blocking. Everyking 04:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)