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Wiel Arets

Wiel Arets (Heerlen, 14 mei 1955) is a Dutch architect. He graduated from the TU Eindhoven in 1983. In the following year he started his own firm, Wiel Arets architect & associates, in Heerlen. He prefers simple and abstract compositions. His palet is very sparse and he prefers black and white (including for his own clothes; he usually dresses in black).

His main claim to fame is his design for the Academie voor Beeldende Kunsten in Maastricht; his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek in Utrecht is also praised. With Jo Coenen he collaborated in the restauration of the glaspaleis in his birthplace Heerlen, and designed a number of pharmacies (?) in the south of the Netherlands. In Hapert he designed a complete Medisch Centrum (Oude Provinciale weg 81/Lindenstraat Hapert). The form language of neo-modernisme is combined with an abstract, placid aesthetic. His favorite building material is the glass brick.

Awards

In 2005, Wiel Arets received the BNA-Kubus, the oldest award for architecture in the Netherlands. The jury appreciated the remarkable quality of his work and praises his extraordinary contribution to architecture. The Kubus is awarded annually since 1965; previous winners include Herman Hertzberger, Wim Quist, Jo Coenen, Jo van den Broek, Benthem Crouwel and Hubert-Jan Henket, and Wessel de Jonge.

Also in 2005 Arets received the Rietveldprijs for his design for the Universiteitsbibliotheek on De Uithof in Utrecht, which came with a check for 7500 euro. The Stichting Rietveldprijs awards the prize every other year to an architect who builds a remarkable building in Utrecht. Past winners include Koen van Velsen, Mart van Schijndel, and Rem Koolhaas.

References

This apparently has something to do with a thread on this page...


Signing so this will be archived. Gracias Drmies for translation. Although the pharmacies issue makes me wonder whether you are really Dutch? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It was about time you had one of these

The Surreal Barnstar
For special merits in Dragon breeding.

Irony

Irony!

Steely

Steely!
Even Steelier!

Goldie!

Goldie!

Hi

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Steamed clams

What does this have to do with bacon?--kelapstick (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Clams are the summertime pigs of the seashore? How are the hooks coming for my latest articles there boss? Rubbernecking is on deck... ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Which ones are they, I have been off the grid lately?--kelapstick (talk) 19:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Other than steamers I wrote up Stone Creek Jamboree, don't cha know. They haven't been hooked up to the Matrix yet. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
You're hooked up, you are still going to have too expand steamed clams to get it to DYK length(100 characters more or so). And what is this now, I leave for a while and there is a talk page for the talk page? Who checks the checker? Who audits the auditor? --kelapstick (talk) 21:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Geo. And a very happy earth day to you. I did a dramatic expansion of the steamed clams article per your suggestion. If you are able and so inclined, please hook it. In honor of Earth day I am going to go outside. I hope you enjoy yours and I appreciate your help. The meta-talk page has been very very valuable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Who is this Geo? I hope that you aren't calling me a geologist...I just pretend to be one, as part of my many duties. I will take a look at the clams, the length is good now, I will see what I can dig out of it. --kelapstick (talk) 22:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think steamed clams is really DYK material, all the sources are cookbooks.--kelapstick (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
You're crushing my dreams Geo. I suspect the Jamboree one is going to have a more challenging ride actually... But I'm going to go ahead and add some tidbits about hepatitus, pearls, British steamed clams, and the making of a good broth. Hopefully the New York Times coverage will satisfy you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
The jamboree checked out, that last ref might have something interesting to put in, but I didn't want to add a cook book hook,.--kelapstick (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)I find it rather sad that in his admirable work on steamed clams our Child saw fit not to wikiling bacon... Drmies (talk) 04:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't you be formatting references somewhere? Seriously though, have you finished the Kronos chronology? Because there is actual work to be done. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you think the author of the last-cited news article is User:Dicklyons? Bongomatic 06:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. Could be. But there are a lot of Dicks in the world. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Steamed clams DYK

Did you know...that steamed clams is nominated for did you know?--kelapstick (talk) 15:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Singular not Plural

No, I was not referring to you in the metaphor at all. The discussion was supposed to be interchanged just between GT. and me (in the open space though) and the adjective was used a couple of time before when I said to GT about the user's "dreadful curses" (recalling witches). I truly thank him/her (I think the user is "she") that s/he ignored my presence. I wish I don't encounter him/her ever. Once you commented there, your ardent fan in a fluffy garment followed. Anyway, you're forgetting the fact that they've been working in the same areas in which Badaganani are active befor the conflicts. You can not blame their overlapped activities, but rather ask Badagnani to stop being disruptive; adding original research, synthesis, false information, link spams, blogs or promotional sources, YouTube links, sneaky hidden remarks or questions, false accusations, incivility, POV pushing, vegetarianism, Peta Pan-Asianism agendas, wikistalking, harassing, racist comments etc. As long as he continues such practices, he has to face contests. That is all his responsibility. As I said before, you're too generous about his behaviors.--Caspian blue 21:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

All of the additions I've seen Badagnani make seem to have been reasonable and in the interest of the encyclopedia. They can, with some justification, be accepted in good faith under the Ignore All the Rules policy. (I saw yesterday this was one of Misplaced Pages's first policies!) I'm not saying I agree with all of his edits, but I haven't personally seen any that appear to me to have been made in bad faith. I don't think there is any question that he is strident in his approach and this hard-headedness can be frustrating to deal with. I haven't seen any evidence he's trying to spam Misplaced Pages with commercial links. I believe he takes a broad view of content and when he finds a link he considers useful to our readers, he includes it. Given how often links go dead and new stories become unavailable, I don't think independent websites that look trustworthy are especially outrageous to use where appropriate. Once things settle out, I haven't seen him try to make an end-run around consensus and he seems willing to live with outcomes that he doesn't agree with. Your experience seems to have been different, and I respect your opinion. Your accounting of policy violations is almost as long as those I'm typically accused of, but I admire you for avoiding the dreaded acronyms. :) As you probably know, the only one that has my full support is the BLT policy. I'm confident that the two of you will become good friends in the near future! What better time to turn over a new leaf than Earth Day? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. no unless he changes his attitude and editing habits. You already forgot that I was once a his defender for a while? Your article, Bacon mania was accused of original research, but it is at least based on reliable sources, not "flickr images or hearsay".--Caspian blue 14:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

talkback

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Rubbernecking

I looked at Flickr to see if I could find a photo showing a group of cars with people craning their necks out their driver's side windows at an accident, to no avail. Badagnani (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No? Also, the "weather necking" photo is very strange. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The rubbernecking photo is hilarious. Too bad it's past April 1. Jonathunder (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Lawrence Woodman

Category:British businesspeople was removed, with no edit summary, and now it is uncategorized. Did you have a source for where he was born?--kelapstick (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I added Category:Massachusetts businesspeople, but where he was born would probably be a good idea too.--kelapstick (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
You could make a restauranteur category. It also seems to fit in the "Category:Food and drink biography stubs", but it's not a stub. Why are only food and drink biography stubs given a category? Seems weird. I don't know where he was born. Ask Mies, Dr. I think they grew up together. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Wait a minute, Mies, Dr. didn't even help with that article? What a lazy sod. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Woodman? Who that? I grew up among the dinosaurs. Drmies (talk) 04:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Just wanted to let you know that I replied to the discussion you were having with Wikidemon on my talk page (I didn't get a chance to edit yesterday). See here. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 18:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

the vandals took the handle

Eh......you are too friendly, sir. I'm getting kind of tired of that high schooler. But thanks for restoring my boobies and my bacon star. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Barakhamba

Hi! ChildofMidnight,

Thanks for making some corrections. Noting your tag, I have made copy editing to the extent I could identify. I hope it meets your concerns to decide on removal the tag. If not, I would request you to make the needed changes. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for editing my Indish (Indian English). I have added a reference to the first para to link with the DYK hook and also made minor edits of additional Internal links. Can you kindly remove the tag now? Thanks once again.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Send Naan. And tandoor. And garlands of jasmine flowers. And beauituful saris. And bright smiling people. Ah, India I miss you so. ChildofMidnight (talk)
Sure, When you are in Delhi next time. Thanks for the edits and removing the tag.Can I seek your help to nominate some more a rtciles on Delhi heritage monuments for which I am taking pictures?--Nvvchar (talk) 01:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
SOunds good. Yes of course I'm happy to help any time, especially on such interesting subjects. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the help. Barakhamba is through with DYK. But Chausath Khamba would need your valuable editing since my editing has still not been accepted. I would apprecite your help. The DYK hook is at the bottom of the DYK Talk page. I have just now posted a new article titled Sultan Ghari. I would be very happy and thankful if you could tweak it as required and nominate it on DYK with a suitable Hook and image. I will be posting another article on "Moth Ki Masjid" in my sandbox User:Nvvchar/sandbox today itself for your help in editing and subsequent nomination. Thanks--Nvvchar (talk) 09:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Pyramidenkogel

Check out my latest DYK candidate--and if you're interested in this planned 100m wooden structure with its 66m slide, you can see a pretty cool animation here. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Did you see the animation? Drmies (talk) 16:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Not yet I'm working on a Ukranian Easter bread that has the same name as the "bread people" from pascagoula. No apparent connection. But the bread was brought to the USA by Mennonites. And if I remember correctly, a band of Mennonites are trying to steal Minnesota's potluck record achieved at the Stone Creek Jamboree. So you see it's a very small world after all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
You know, of course, that Menno Simons was from the motherland! Drmies (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we had any Mennonites is New York City. What do they look like? :) Now I'm coming across hrudka and syrek, a Slovakian Easter concoction described as "like cheese". It's just one thing after another!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Dr., that link doesn't work. Must be some sort of video technology that isn't supported by my IBM 286. Maybe you can describe what the video shows... :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Whoa, my Sinclair ZX Spectrum has no problems with it whatsoever. Well, it's a huge tower made up of ellipses; the simulation shows the tower acquiring flesh over its skeleton, so to speak, and all is shown as an aerial view circling the tower and showing this beautiful low-alpine landscape. At the end it zooms in on the observation platform, incredibly high and narrow. It's a beautiful tower; I wish Commons had a picture of it. Drmies (talk) 05:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Mediation of Barney Frank Talk Page

Yes, if you go to the bottom of the Frank talk page, you can comment. Joshua Ingram (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll stick around. And I brought up that report because I thought it might get people to stop quoting the Times or Rush, which is stupid. No one is going to stop quoting either, and I should just accept it. Joshua Ingram 05:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Traditional fishing village

Hi. I am wondering why you want the lead to this article to begin with: "Traditional fishing villages are located near fishing grounds and have an economy based on fishing. A high percentage of the residents in these villages work as fishermen." and are reverting my preferred version: "A fishing village is a village located near fishing grounds with an economy based on fishing.".

  • MOS clearly states ...if the title of a page is descriptive it does not need to appear verbatim in the main text, and even if it does it should not be in boldface'.
  • Secondly, you are reinstating the redundant sentence, "A high percentage of the residents in these villages work as fishermen." when the preceding sentence has just stated that fishing villages have "an economy based on fishing".
  • Thirdly, my version clearly defines what a fishing village is, whereas yours does not. Village is wikilinked because that article spells out well what a village is, and covers other aspect of fishing villages that don't need to be spelt out in the rest of the article.
  • Finally, you keep removing the wikilink to village itself, for reasons I do not understand.

You have rightly asked for a citation to "Most fishing villages are traditional, and many fishing villages are in decline". Fishing village in developed countries present a very different picture from fishing villages in undeveloped countries. It is the fishing village in developed countries that are in decline. Maybe for now, it would be better to just remove that sentence. This is just a start up article which needs a lot more work. There doesn't seem to be anything in the literature that examines the concept of a fishing village and how they evolved over time. I'm teetering on removing "traditional" from the title and just calling the article "Fishing village". --Geronimo20 (talk) 23:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Geronimo. Thanks for your questions. I agree the article should be moved to fishing village.
  • When something is it's explained I think it's best to avoid the word being explained. So saying a fishing village is a village where people fish, seems awkward and not terribly helpful. I didn't remove the word village, I moved it to the beginning of the second sentence where it was wikilinked in case anyone wants to review the broader subject.
  • I would leave the sentence I tagged in actually. It's the type of basic question we need to anwer in the article. What is a fishing village? What are the types? What is the history and the progression? Are they in decline? Are they being mor industrial (large scale)? What other considerations are important?
  • Something along the lines of: "A fishing village is a community that has a large percentage of its workers and its economy based on catching fish and harvesting seafood" seems reasonable to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Accurate information versus POV

Ugh, you're right... I think. Not sure. Anyway, I meant {{undue}}. --Raijinili (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Well clearly that under construction article isn't a candidate to replace the main Obama article. :) But at one time we did have criticism articles. And even if we never have one for the "chosen one" :) I think people need to give space to an editor who wants to collect sourced statements in their userspace for whatever purpose. Cheers. I see you're still commenting on the list of article. That was really a pity to lose. Would have solved a lot of problems I think and made the Obama subject matter and articles much much easier to navigate. It seemd to get poisoned with the worst kind of assumptions of bad faith that didn't have much to do with the article itself. And I think the main concerns were addressed by the end in various ways. My experience with DRV is that it's very difficult to get things overturned, so I'm not really sure how to proceed, but I think losing that article was a very poor showing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I was really surprised at the deletion decision, it didn't look like consensus in either direction, and I thought the tie goes to the runner. kelapstick (talk) 03:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, even if the article isn't a replacement, I think it would be good if it at least was respectable. Some of the sourced statements fail as references objectively, like those which pick off facts from articles to promote a conclusion which was in no way supported by the article itself, like that for-fun article about pizza. --Raijinili (talk) 03:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't disagree. But it's userspace. So allowing it to develop there seems appropriate. Even in userspace there is no ownership, but I think broad latitude is reasonable, particularly in this case. If you want to work up a "criticism" or "opposition" to article with me I'm ready to roll. :) It's something I've wanted to do for a while, but because of all the accusations and WikiPolitics involved I was hoping someone else would do it (and there's another article along these lines in another user's space). My basic view is that it's important and consistent with our guidelines to include notable perspectives. I don't think we've done that yet for that subject. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

User:ChildofMidnight/Turbaconducken

I believe this is what you were intending to do :-) -- Blanchardb -- timed 01:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Thanks. I thought that was set up in my userspace. Hadn't meant for it to go right to mainspace. Still a lot of fleshing out to do. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Mel Gibson

I have to ask two questions. How does your change here address the fundamental point from the previous edit summary - namely that it doesn't reflect the content of the article in any way since the article doesn't cover box office gross for his films? The Box Office Mojo figure is misleading in that it only reports box office sales and not later sales of DVDs, videos, and other types of releases and is not adjusted for inflation, so as a flat figure, it doesn't convey what it is represented to convey. The other question is wouldn't one suppose that an adminstrator candidate would be concerned with correctly formatting a reference he or she supports for inclusion when the rest of the article has consistently formatted citations? LaVidaLoca (talk) 04:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I looked at the source and it had a box office total right at the bottom that said 2 billion something. So I'm not sure what I missed? Isn't the box office total the sales at the theater? I think that's what it says. Maybe I'm tired or confused, but I'm not seeing your point. It popped up in my watchlist and I took the point raised in the edit summary and tried to address them. Sorry if I made a mistake. I'll try to have another look in the morning to see if I'm missing something. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Your RFA

Hey COM, have you seen your RFA. No offense but it's not doing too good. I suggest your withdraw before you get hammered. Right now your success rate is 6%.--(NGG) 12:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree you should withdraw. There's no need to put yourself through this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree as well. It would be in your best interests to withdraw, as your chance of success is virtually zero. Timmeh! 13:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The main thing is that it's not productive for you or the process. Wisdom89 (T / ) 15:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I've closed the RfA per WP:SNOW. Obviously, it wasn't going to pass, but in obvious situations like that, I tend to lean towards leaving it open so the candidate can get feedback on what they need to improve upon. You had that in abundance, so there was no point in leaving it open. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Obviously given the votes so far a snow close is reasonable. I would have liked to have had it stay open for a couple of days at least, as many editors didn't have a chance to commment, but c'est la vie. Accepting the nom to get it over with seemed a good idea which is why I went ahead with it. Now we can all get back to making the encyclopedia better. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Well I can think of at least one probable positive outcome of your nomination. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Your question about Commons

I just saw on some talk page somewhere you asked about moving files to Commons, just thought you might want to see the (in-progress) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Images and Media/Commons. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'll have a look. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Actually, Misplaced Pages:Moving images to the Commons might be better. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Hey, anyone who has has a dog on their user page can't be all bad .. lol. My pic isn't my real dog though, just one that someone left me. I'm guessing that Moopsy is your real life buddy. My real life pooch (Mocha) actually is closer to your pup than my pic - she's part springer spaniel, maybe some pointer and beagle thrown in. Ya just gotta love those long ears ... lol. Well, glad to see that you keep such a positive perspective on everything, and we'll get ya those tools the next time around. Keep editing, stay happy, and keep to the high-road. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  23:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone put Moopsy up on my page. He/she seems to be a lot more popular than I am ;) A fine looking hound. Probably an excellent hunter. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
LMAO - we must have an "adopt-a-pet" editor in our community - or maybe "adopt-a-VIRTUAL-pet" would be more accurate. Mine doesn't look like he'd do much more than slobber all over ya! lol. — Ched :  ?  14:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Article Deletion Squadron

This might be something the cabal would be interested in. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I confess I don't find it terribly funny, but this comment from DGG—"it is well known that deletionists have no sense of humor" strikes me as way off base. In my experience, relative to Article Rescue Squadron members, deletionists are a laugh a minute. Bongomatic 03:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"All too often, an article about a perfectly trivial topic lies wounded, badly written, unsourced – but should its life be taken at Articles for Deletion? Yes!" And then the flame throwing tank with the the {{crap}} template? Even just the idea of an article deletion squadron is funny. Come on! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for the fix on John Fetterman (politician)'s DYK, just caught it. Grsz 02:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

No worries. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I like the ska article. Are you a Streetlight Manifesto fan? Grsz 03:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I've been out of the music scene since late 1995. :) But when I stumbled on the Orange county Ska article (now in my user space including a list of bands, and (hopefully) merged into Ska...) I thought it was interesting that so many of the bigtime bands in that genre came out of such a small area (3rd wave ska anyway). I guess "Orange County Ska scene" is an obscure search topic, but it seemed worth an article. After all we have articles on every album by every notable bands and every olympic athlete (thank goodness the 17th place finisher in 200 meter skeet shooting is included!!! And the 34th place hurler... yeah I said hurler Kelapstick. That shit is almost as silly as bowling. Anyway, it seemed nice to have that aspect of Ska history included with the list of the bands from that area. But that was not the consensus...
I'll have to check out some Streetlight Manifesto on youtube. I've heard of meatbeat manifesto... speaking of which, there's an AfD on midification, I think, which seemsed interesting. Of course, I'm also big fan of the iconic Tina Turner. And Mel Gibson movies have made over 2 billion at the box office. But I digress... :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Help?

Hi CoM and page-watchers, please see this article on a fascinating individual. I would be grateful if you could find additional facts and sources and/or expand the article based on the sources already identified. Thanks! Bongomatic 13:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

RfA

Sorry the RfA closed before I got a chance to weigh in, I had a busy weekend, and it was open for less than 12 hours. I think that you will benefit from some of the Constructive criticism, I think you would make a great admin and I look forward to your next run. --kelapstick (talk) 16:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Cutting my RfA short was the only way they could stop me. The momentum was clearly starting to shift, and fearing a tidal wave of supports, they chose to stop the process all together. They barely gave me a chance. How typical! Thanks for you note, except the part about constructive criticism. That has no place here. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
You are right, you would probably be better off heeding the unconstructive criticism instead. --kelapstick (talk) 18:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Now you're talking! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi CoM
My views on the RfA (should you care):
  • Quite unfortunate that it closed in such a short time, especially over a weekend. As per the reasoning behind expanding AfD discussions to seven days, there are different audiences during different days.
  • A couple of editors really covered themselves in inglory with their comments.
  • Many of the opinions were predictable.
  • Administratorship is neither a privilege nor an honor—it's a volunteer position granted by the community based on consensus. One reasonable basis for individual editors in formulating their opinions is the desire to avoid "drama" (for lack of a better term), and that it is legitimate to factor in the predictable actions of other editors—even if predictably immature, outside of policy, inconsistent with guideline, and lacking Wikiquette—when assessing the amount of drama likely to be created.
  • It is worth commenting on the number editors who "opposed" your RfA who praised your contributions to the project.
  • The most frequent concerns (and those ventured by the least polarized of the opposers) were edit-warring, POV pushing and not adequately addressing talk page comments / following consensus. There is very little in these areas that is black and white, and my recommendation is to make sure that for every edit you make (whether in article or talk space) where you think dissent is possible as to whether you are edit-warring, pushing POV, or flouting consensus, you look at the record of diffs from the perspective of a cautious consensus-freak evaluating your edits for your next RfA (from personal experience, I know this is hard when other editors do exasperating things). For what its worth, I think that approach is recommended even if you never intend to try again for Admin.
  • Notwithstanding problems you may have had in this area before, fighting for neutrality and/or balance in ledes and elsewhere in articles—even difficult ones—is a worthy cause. As long as you keep the above bullet point in mind, I hope you continue editing in this vein.
Keep up the good work, and take the advice from the chorus of U2's "Acrobat". Bongomatic 16:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't play Jesus to this kind of leopard--they don't listen.
  • "And you can swallow, or you can spit, you can throw it up or choke on it."? :)
    Or: "I know you'd hit out if, you only knew who to it?"
    Or maybe: "And I'd join the movement if there was one I could believe in."
    And then there's: "Yeah I'd break bread and wine, if there was a church I could receive in. Cause I need it now. To drink the cup. Fill it up. To drink it slow. Can't let you go. I must be an acrobat to talk like this and act like that"
    And: "You can dream so dream out loud."
    Or maybe "You know that your time is coming round. So don't let the bastards grind you down"? Oh that's the one. :) Isn't that a personal attack? Can you refer to bobbleheads and windbags as bastards using song lyrics? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
You know that Bono is a commie, right? and that in another song from that album he throws in weird stuff like "Did you come to race the dead" and "Have you come here to play Jesus to the leopards in your head?" I mean, that makes no sense at all. A head full of carnivores? Drmies (talk) 18:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Sadly, many otherwise intelligent people seem unable to fathom that handouts do no good and are often counterproductive to expanding opportunities and improving standards of living. But something not working, is rarely enough to stop someone from keeping at it. Marx wrote some good fiction and had a real command of drama and gravitas. He just didn't have any grip on reality. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
You're barking up the wrong tree: I love handouts, as much as the big three do. Now where's my money? Drmies (talk) 20:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
There are "editors" on here who will read your comments and fail to appreciate the irony and sarcasm. These humorless animals will sink your RfA. They won't even get that you're actually quite an ardent socialist. They have such a deep seated fear of anyone who sees the world differently than they do, that they won't dare allow you to be given any authority. You're just not safe enough my friend acquaintance who happens to inhabit the same neighborhood on Misplaced Pages. There will also be many who will find some little smudge in your record where you didn't kowtow properly or dot your I with enough enthusiasm, and didn't use the proper justification for crossing a T. But I still think it's interesting to go through the process, unless you have a thin skin and need to be loved and appreciated. You can always comfort yourself with bacon and booze. And I've been known to be wrong on very rare and exceptional occasions. But that's my prediction. There's one path to adminship, as far as I can tell, and I don't think you've taken the proper route.ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

haha, i feel good now...

...that I've cleaned up a section of the biscuit article: see Biscuit#Beaten_biscuits. Drmies (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Buom buom

I have never heard of that. Is it real or just something new the Vietnamese have concocted to keep Westerners on their toes? Badagnani (talk) 18:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, you were able to get the diacritics. Badagnani (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Arda Vandella Collins

Did a proper WP:BEFORE without the less used middle name. Got to disagree with you big time at this one. Schmidt, 20:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

You work on these marginal characters and yet my main man Warren Miller (director), whose work has inspired even Mies, Dr. to pursue dreams of film narrating, remains so pitifully neglected. Also, isn't 12 children an awful lot? I didn't realize you had an article until just recently. That's very cool. Anything exciting going on up there in LA? I hit Joan's recently and it was great, but it's quite a fuss to get served and find a seat on a Saturday. Where do you hang out? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Oops. Wrong Collins. Sorry Arda V. Collins is not Arda Collins (another sadly neglected article about a notable and award winning author). And with your gentle hint, I will look in at Warren Miller (director). Schmidt, 21:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Present for you

Here it is: a new signature:

CoM— YOUR BROTHER

Bongomatic 02:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

very nice Bongo, very nice.kelapstick (talk) 03:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow! Now that's getting back some of the ole talk page magic...I'll leave a note in the appropriate place. Drmies (talk) 03:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Interesting ChildofMidnight 23:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Good point—I did miss out a lot of places people who interact with you need to go. Bongomatic 00:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

User talk:ChildofMidnight/talk/talk

And this for your perusal. Drmies (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

And thanks for Death Organ. That's really moderately exciting, and I worked on the article some. Just because it's not notable doesn't mean it shouldn't look clean! Drmies (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

porn?

Here's a fun diff: . Drmies (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Stick to wholesome fare . Two out of the three include bacon, and one's down there in your neck of the woods. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Horror film genre-specifc reliable sources

If you have time, I'd appreciate your looking in at Horror film genre-specifc reliable sources and either comment, advise, or contribute. I think something like this should have been done a while ago so as to help stop the bickering at AfDs. I might set it as an essay. What thinkest thou?

Yeah but how do you really feel?

Interesting suggestion, I am guessing that tact isn't their strong suit.--kelapstick (talk) 22:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

That list is fairly awesome. Drmies is actually considered the godmother of Dutch rock! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Haha, and as it happens I am in a TERRIFIC mood today since I've been listening to the Godfather of Soul in the car--baby baby baby! I just noticed that the Occult Bookkeeper had changed that redirect to point to the honorific article, and I changed it back to JB. That was the right move, wasn't it? And BTW CoM, thanks, but that's too much honor. That title goes to Herman Brood, and I'll find (or fabricate) the reference to prove it. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Slight concern

Dear ChildofMidnight

Reading some of your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2009 New York City airplane scare I am concerned you have got the wrong impression of me. You have said "you're misapplying a policy", and "Flying airforce one around to take picture five days after Earth Day was wasteful and thoughtless, it caused panic and fear among tens or hundreds of thousands of people, but you're not interested". I do not feel I am being given the good-faith assumption I deserve. I am not out on a crusade to delete the article and will stop at nothing. I just feel the flyover isn't notable enough to warrant an article, that's all, and I believe so strongly in that that yes I will argue strongly, but not to the extent that I lose my impartiality. I hope this clears things up, and thank you for reading. Please feel free to direct me any inquiries. Cordovao (talk) 00:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Cordovao. Don't be concerned. If you read the policy it's quite clear. "Routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for an article." This isn't a tabloid story or an announcement and it has loads of reliable sources with substantial covareage. So there's no ambiguity. If in the future it's determined that it wasn't in fact notable, which seems unlikely, we can always delete it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. I assure you I have read the guideline multiple times, and have cited "Misplaced Pages considers the historical notability of persons and events." I agree it isn't a tabloid story, but I still do not think it passes muster in terms of historical notability. Anyway, thank you for your response, and I hope we can co-operate effectively in future. Cordovao (talk) 10:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Stone Creek Jamboree

Updated DYK query On April 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stone Creek Jamboree, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

rʨanaɢ /contribs 04:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Wow CoM, you did it again--made a DYK out of nothing! Congrats! (And by "nothing" I mean here the hunch that something is interesting. WP can use such curiosity.) Your partner in crime and part-time tag-along, Drmies (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Biker poetry

I hope I didn't mess up posting like this, but I wanted to ask you a question... I've been working on “Biker poetry” and noticed that you have been keeping an eye on it and making some minor, but good changes. I've been in the process of posting references and would like to know what it will take to get that notice at the top of the page removed that say's the page has no references and could be challenged and removed? I continue to work on credible references almost daily. I've read the requirements and I think I now have the article at the point where it meets the standards and stands on its own merit. Could you offer some insight? Thanks, Akbikerpoet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akbikerpoet (talk • contribs) 06:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks

Cool Beans! Thanks for pointing out where I needed some citations, I really do appreciate it. I put the ones in that you pointed out and will continue to look for more. I think my biggest problem is my familiarity with the subject, so much I just know and consider common knowledge, thanks. You are a very big help in all this. Unfortunately this will be the last night I will have to spend a lot of time on this for quit a while. I was hoping to get the article substantially standing on it’s own by now. I have deliberately left the tag at the top of the page stating that more citations are needed in the hope that others would join in the editing of the page. A few have, but not with the type of citations and quotes needed to make this a viable document. I thank you for the attention you have given this project. Later, Akbikerpoet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akbikerpoet (talk • contribs) 07:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

New DYK?

I have the hook ready, but I need to expand Long Wong's (now there's a double entendre for you) and Dead Hot Workshop...--kelapstick (talk) 22:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Looks like I am getting Long Wong's on to the main page on my own, what do you think of this hook?

Dead Hot Workshop

Created by Kelapstick (talk). Self nom at 15:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

--kelapstick (talk) 15:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I know The Refreshments (not personally), they are pretty awesome, and I know some songs by the Gin Blossoms as they are the most popular. In one of the Refreshments songs on Fizzy Fuzzy Big & Buzzy they say "We could all wear ripped up cloths and pretend we were Dead Hot Workshop", that is where I heard of them, I don't know anything they sing...--kelapstick (talk) 17:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
      • I think Long Swong is funnier than Long Wong's, but that's just me...

While we're on the topic, did you know...

Five Tango Sensations

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

And did you know...

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Child, the Kronos Quartet, baby! It won't flip-flop on you! Drmies (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Hey Child, do you really think they'd fall over that? Anyone who knows tango knows that...yeah, verifiability, not truth, I know. But did you click to his article? That lead says it all. I dunno, I'm going to let it stand for now, out of deference to him. You know I saw him, twice, in the Netherlands--it was amazing. But thanks for the suggestion, and we'll see what the folks at DYK think. Oh, did you see Blofeld's proposed DYK? ... that in 2001, Dutch musician and artist Herman Brood committed suicide by jumping from the roof of the Amsterdam Hilton Hotel? Ha! Drmies (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)