This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Beatle Fab Four (talk | contribs) at 22:33, 4 May 2009 (→Truce term). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.
Revision as of 22:33, 4 May 2009 by Beatle Fab Four (talk | contribs) (→Truce term)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Russia and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
|
Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6Auto-archiving period: 2 months |
Russia Project‑class | |||||||
|
|
Russian Ground Forces
Russian Ground Forces has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parrot of Doom (talk • contribs)
Assessments heads-up
Just a heads-up to folks who are doing assessments—when assessing/re-assessing articles, please spell out the banner name completely (i.e., use {{WikiProject Russia}}, not {{WPRUSSIA}} or any other shortcuts). The reason for that is the new {{ArticleAlertbotSubscription}} service available to WikiProjects—it watches the articles pertaining to the WikiProjects based on the banner which the articles are tagged with, but, unfortunately, it does not work with the redirects to the main banner. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:53, February 24, 2009 (UTC)
Portal:Roads
The World Roads Portal is at Peer Review, if any editors know of any articles, images, news items or DYKs which could be added to the Portal, please add them directly to the portal or contact ....SriMesh | talk 00:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Translation requests
I have just (nearly) completed a total overhaul of Misplaced Pages's translation system. Previously, there was a very complicated method of posting translation requests. Now there are simply tags, such as {{Expand Russian}}, that can be placed on stub articles (or longer articles if appropriate). I have tried to review all previous translation requests. Many translation requests were very old and no longer seemed needed, because the English Misplaced Pages article had developed in the meantime. Other translation requests were fixed by adding tags to existing English-language articles. However, a good number of requests remain that were redlinked. Many articles I could create stub articles for myself, based on the machine translation, but some of the machine translation was very bad and I didn't want to mess things up. So I am leaving a list of these articles below for members of this wikiproject to evaluate. Hopefully people here can create stubs as needed, and tag them with {{Expand Russian}}, so that translation can take place later. If you are interested in checking out other articles in need of translation (the ones that are properly tagged already), see Category:Articles needing translation from Russian Misplaced Pages. Thanks for your help! Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
The requests are:
- Misplaced Pages:Translation/Driven oscillations
- Misplaced Pages:Translation/Putin's_Plan
- Misplaced Pages:Translation/Nizhny Novgorod Governorate
Alan Dzagoev's patronymic
Sorry guys... Why is his patronymic "Elizbarovich" if his father's name is Tariel? Shouldn't it be "Tarielovich" or something like? Thank you! --necronudist (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- According to this, Tariel is his uncle, not his father. That's the only clue I was able to find during my (fairly cursory) search.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:02, March 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh thank you Ëzhiki...! There seems to be much confusion about that issue... Here Alan himself says that Tariel is his father... --necronudist (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that's the thing with the interviews—you never know which part came from the person being interviewed and which one was the result of the interviewing journalist "copyedit work" :) Anyway, you might want to post this question somewhere on the Russian Misplaced Pages—I am sure they have plenty more Russian soccer-loving editors than you'll find here.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:54, March 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh thank you Ëzhiki...! There seems to be much confusion about that issue... Here Alan himself says that Tariel is his father... --necronudist (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah... except that I don't know a word in Russian! :-) However thank you Ëzhiki! --necronudist (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, you linked to an article in Russian, so... well, never mind. User:Grue knows Russian and is a sports enthusiast, and although he's not been seen around often recently you might still try to contact him and see if he'll be able/willing to help. Of course, if anyone else seeing this wants to help, I'm sure Necro will appreciate it :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:09, March 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah... except that I don't know a word in Russian! :-) However thank you Ëzhiki! --necronudist (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Need help from a native Russian speaker
An article about Yaroslav Kislyakov is currently being discussed for deletion, partly because of notability concerns but also as a potential violation of Misplaced Pages's policy regarding biographies of living people. The article does have a single reference, which is in Russian. I would very much like it if someone would have a look at the article, check that everything is backed up by the reference, and comment in the deletion debate. -Lilac Soul 12:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Article alerts
This is a notice to let you know about Article alerts, a fully-automated subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering Articles for deletion, Requests for comment, Peer review and other workflows (full list). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found here.
If you are already subscribed to Article Alerts, it is now easier to report bugs and request new features. We are also in the process of implementing a "news system", which would let projects know about ongoing discussions on a wikipedia-wide level, and other things of interest. The developers also note that some subscribing WikiProjects and Taskforces use the display=none
parameter, but forget to give a link to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Misplaced Pages:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at Misplaced Pages talk:Article alerts.
Message sent by User:Addbot to all active wiki projects per request, Comments on the message and bot are welcome here.
black dude on russian money
whats the name of the man of african ancestry that was or is on russian currency? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.192.120 (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- I don't for sure - but Pushkin? This really isn't the best place to ask a question like this - it's better suited for the page on Russian currency. I hope you asked there too. But Pushkin was of African ancestry...--Levalley (talk) 16:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley
Editing the categories for the Russian Project
First concern: when the category "Russian culture" is shown on the index page, it is weak. Culture is such a broad category that it's become a dumping ground for far too many unrelated topics. Second concern: Russian literature and Russian music both deserve their own categories here on this main Project page. I'm very surprised that they are not already there (Music and Dance could be one category). Then, we could start the work of adding the Russian project link to all the articles on Russian literature - most of which are badly in need of improvement (the article on Crime and Punishment, however, has been mentioned as an exemplary article for the 19th century project's literature subgroup; War and Peace has been called one of the worst articles on Misplaced Pages - I'm helping to edit that one, but it should be part of the Russian Project, for sure. Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Bunin, Tolstoy, Bulgakov articles need to be revised and maintained and linked to the various other parts of the Russian project (history and philosophy in particular). --Levalley (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley
AssessorTags
Hello! I thought that I'd bring to your attention a new script which I have created, AssessorTags, which helps to add WikiProject banners to talk pages. The banner for this project has now been included in the script, so it may be helpful when locating and tagging articles. Documentation for the script can be found here, and if you have any questions feel free to ask at my talk page. Please not that I will probably not be watching this page, so comments left here will not be responded to. –Drilnoth (T • C) 16:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of these are just transliteration
It might be better to call the page: "List of Russian words used in English" There is something better but the title of this article makes the text seem redundant. I have been told many times that "intelligentsia" has no equivalent word in English and it requires a great deal of explaining. I would say it shouldn't count as an English word because most English speakers couldn't define it without studying Russian history/culture/language. Babushka's second example is a proper entry for this page but most of these words are just transliterated Russian words that shouldn't be called English words, they are just words in Russian that people pronounce differently in English. 76.15.43.243 (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)ECT
- Is this in reference to this list? If so, "English words" in that list are defined as words included into major English dictionaries (such as OED)—i.e., they are loanwords. Most of them are indeed just transliterations, but that's beyond the point. Also, if a word in the list is not included in any major English dictionaries, then it should be removed (as it would not qualify as an "English word" then).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:32, March 20, 2009 (UTC)
Difficult article - project members' input appreciated
Hello proyect, I've put an article up at AfD which can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War (2009) (2nd nomination). I am hoping that project members may be able to bring some opinion to this AfD, as it clear that editors are confused as to what the "Second Chechen War" is. One of the latest hotspots is of course Ingushetia, but the troubles in that Republic don't have anything to do with the Chechens, or the Chechen War, but is the result of its own unique set of circumstances. Of course, it can clearly be said that the Ingush have taken some lead from the Chechens in their "fight" (this is easy to ref so it's not my opinion), but to say that this is the guerilla part of the Second Chechen War is OR/SYN -- even if sources mention the Chechen war, the Chechen war it is not, and no sources used in that article (or anywhere else for that matter that I can find) portray troubles in the Caucasus republics as an extension, albeit guerilla, of the Second Chechen War. If there is a better article for them to be placed in, it needs to be found obviously, but even then I am having trouble comprehending just exactly which articles, and also the extent as to what information will or won't be included. Anyway, as this article is within the scope of this project, other project members will also be aware of the happenings in the Caucasus region of Russia, so please provide input at the AfD page.
On a sidenote, Chechnya has for around 18 months had regular airline flights from Moscow. Firstly operated by Aeroflot-Don for a local Chechen company called "Vainakh Avia", but I think this has now been taken over by Grozny Avia who has daily flights to Moscow, with 2 additional weekly flights to Moscow, and 2 flights a week to Rostov-on-Don. Obviously the security situation in Chechnya is much better than one would have expected, good to see. I think I might do up a Grozny Avia article shortly. Cheers, --Russavia 20:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The categories on the project page
What am I missing? Where is Russian art? Russian literature? Russian music? When I look under "Russian culture" - I don't see these there. Am I simply too tired to notice where these categories are?Levalley (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)LeValley
- It's all under Category:Arts in Russia. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:45, March 26, 2009 (UTC)
Template:Politics of Russia
One thing that is somewhat irking me is how Template:Politics of Russia is appearing on articles. It takes up a huge amount of space on articles, and considering many of these articles are not of great length, it creates huge amounts of white space, such as on Security Council of Russia. Additionally, I think that the space taken up by this template would be better off being taken up by prose and images -- we have an abundance of photos to choose from for these topics, and I think that photos are more beneficial than a template. Is there any objection from project editors if I were to convert this into a standard template which can be placed at the bottom of the articles, so that the article proper is used for encyclopaedic content instead? If there are no objections within a few days, or if there is agreeance before that, I will convert into a standard template and make the necessary changes on articles. --Russavia 19:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- Is there any objection to this amongst project members? If none is forthcoming within 24 hours, I'll convert the template. --Russavia 17:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- I sometimes wonder how many of our members are actually watching this page. It sometimes seems merely an extension of yours and mine talk pages. Anyway, no objections from me.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:37, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
- +1. As for the template, I'm for keeping it vertical, and only on the relevant articles on constitution and govt bodies. NVO (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- On that note, perhaps we should define what "politics of Russia" actually includes?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:44, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
- +1. As for the template, I'm for keeping it vertical, and only on the relevant articles on constitution and govt bodies. NVO (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same thing. Anyway Ezhiki, how are you today? Have a good weekend? :) If no objection, I'll do it then. --Russavia 17:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I'll hold off for now, we've got an objection :) Is there a reason why you have that opinion NVO? ;) I'm for getting rid of the vertical, as most of the articles should probably have an infobox in the top right, which will be able to include pertinent information, and as most of the articles are hopelessly underdeveloped (at the moment), the additional vertical template will only add tons of more whitespace to the article. I guess, in effect, isn't this another "navigational template" of sorts? --Russavia 17:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- I sometimes wonder how many of our members are actually watching this page. It sometimes seems merely an extension of yours and mine talk pages. Anyway, no objections from me.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:37, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
An ideal candidate for an FL
Federal subjects of Russia is an ideal candidate for a featured list nom. ResMar 17:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- The list is definitely worthy, but what it needs is prose to get it across up to that standard. If nothing happens with it with other editors, I may look at it sometime in the near future. --Russavia 21:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- I had my eye on that list for quite a while. Prose is not a problem at all. If anything is a problem it's the maps—the ones currently in the list are kind of on an ugly side, and my skills are only advanced enough to produce a similar abomination (which would hardly be an improvement). Any takers for this task? The section on the mergers (especially proposed ones) could also use a major overhaul, although an alternative can be moving them to a separate article which would be linked to from this list.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:02, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, no can help on the maps. I wonder if Bakharev is able to do them? If not, I'll ask Zscout or someone who I know has some expertise in this area to perhaps lend a helping hand with them. --Russavia 14:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- I had my eye on that list for quite a while. Prose is not a problem at all. If anything is a problem it's the maps—the ones currently in the list are kind of on an ugly side, and my skills are only advanced enough to produce a similar abomination (which would hardly be an improvement). Any takers for this task? The section on the mergers (especially proposed ones) could also use a major overhaul, although an alternative can be moving them to a separate article which would be linked to from this list.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:02, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
Dmitry Glukhovsky
Hello chums, can a Russian speaker cast their eyes over Dmitry Glukhovsky and the sources used? --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- The first source is OK (I looked at the original Russian version); the second link is dead, and the other two are in English. Overall, not great, but OK for a starter article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:06, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
Things we can do
Could some of the members of our numerous membership base please comment at Portal talk:Russia/Things you can do regarding how the "what you can do" banner situated at the top of this very page should be treated? Should we just worship it or is anyone planning on actually putting it to some use? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:01, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
Awards in infoboxes
OK, another of my smart ideas (you tell me). If you look at Sergei Krikalyov you will notice in the infobox the Hero of Russia medal. Instead of clicking thru to the image it goes to the article, and the medal name is available by way of "alt text" and by hovering the mouse over the image. This is done by way of Template:Hero of Russia. To see how it looks on ruwiki, where they have been doing this for some time, check out ru:Крикалёв, Сергей Константинович. It looks good, it isn't cluttery, there's no long lists of awards in the infobox, and they appear how they would if they were wearing them on uniform, etc. To implement this here for articles within our scope, there will obviously be quite a few templates to be created, but this is all part of the process I guess. Would there be any support/objections to this format for awards in infoboxes for our articles? Opinions please. --Russavia 10:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- I know it's not constructive criticism, but... I don't like it. It's just too much work to go through each image and read the alt text. Infoboxes are supposed to contain vital condensed information which readers should be able to grasp on the first glance; this format hardly meets this requirement, unless you already know which little icon represents which award.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:31, April 6, 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with herr Igels. I did some of these ribbon stunts in ru-wiki and it took more time than the text of an article... and still you need to re-check the appearance of the ribbons on different browsers and different monitor settings... and of course the proper sequence of all. One star says it much better. NVO (talk) 14:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- OK, that's the last idea I'll have for a while I think. Next time I won't say "you tell me" :D --Russavia 15:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- I actually liked the idea to put the awards the same way one puts them on the uniform. Would it be a good idea to create a subpage showing the awards this way with a possible link from the infobox? (Igny (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC))
- Exact match is hardly possible as the template is not wide enough to fit five standard ribbons per line (ru-wiki template allows max four). Any wider it will take over the page on narrower screens. NVO (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- I actually liked the idea to put the awards the same way one puts them on the uniform. Would it be a good idea to create a subpage showing the awards this way with a possible link from the infobox? (Igny (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC))
Please peer review me wicked list
I have listed Ambassador of Russia to Austria for peer review, as I would like to take this to featured list nomination soon, but am looking for outside input on any improvements, etc which may be made to the article/list in order to improve it to give it greater chance of being passed. Please be kind, as this is my first time doing this, and it can be PR'ed at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Ambassador of Russia to Austria/archive1. Welcome any input anyone may have. Cheers, --Russavia 18:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC) P.S. NVO, I took your advice and managed to work out how to make the tables the same width, and they do look a lot better. Thanks for that suggestion. --Russavia 18:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Template:Russian elections
There is edit warring on {{Russian elections}} over the inclusion of Soviet era elections in the RSFSR. As such articles are within the scope of this project, do were require such articles on the template? I think they should be, whether they were a sham or not is not reason to exclude them; being a sham could very well be POV in itself, as I am sure that communists do not regard them as a sham, and that would be covered within the articles. The only thing that I can think of to exclude them would be if there would not be necessary sources in order to build an article from. Although perhaps separating RSFSR from RF elections in the template may be in order? Anyway, what are views of others in the project on matters such as this? --Russavia 03:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Basketball
There is the page Russian Basketball Super League , and Russian Basketball Super League 2007/2008 . We need the page Russian Basketball Super League 2008/2009 . Help please? (LAz17 (talk) 06:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)).
Umar Israilov needs help
Tendentious editing is going on in Umar Israilov, the short bio of a Chechen soldier who was killed in exile, allegedly for accusing President Kadyrov of human rights abuses. Kadyrov allies deny the charge. The article would benefit from impartial review. I thought some WP:Russia volunteers would be interested and well qualified. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The article has been added to the WikiProject and rated, but no one has responded to the peer review request. The article is short, but some sources are in Russian and need to be evaluated. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 16:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Truce term
Can anybody help me please with what Russian children use as a truce term. A truce term is a word used to call a temporary halt to a game for respite for something like discussing the rules or tying a shoelace etc? Fainites scribs 21:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
- While I haven't been to Russia for quite a while and it's been even longer since I was a child, I don't believe things have changed—no such term exists. If Russian kids need to call a temporary halt to a game, they would just use something generic, like "hey", "hold on", "wait", or "stop".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:03, May 4, 2009 (UTC)
- . I vaguely remember smth like "Четыре-четыре – я на перерыве". But I'm not sure. Beatle Fab Four (talk) 22:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)