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This is an attempt to make the archives more usable and accessible to new and old editors of this page. It is an attempt to link significant past discussions which remain relevant. Please feel free to edit this post to include links to any topics you feel are relevant.

When considering editing the tobacco smoking article, please try to review topics which have already been discussed on the talk page. Major recurring themes are, in chronological order from the most recent; in particular please read past NPOV discussions before raising them again.

  1. NPOV: Archive 4-E, Archive 4-D, Archive 4 - C, Archive 4-B, Archive 4-A
  2. The gateway drug question: Archive 4-B, Archive 4-A
  3. Opening paragraph: Archive 3
  4. The Osteen Decision: Archive 2, Archive 1
  5. Creation of Nicotine replacement therapy article from this one: Archive 2
  6. Creation of Health effects of tobacco smoking and Passive smoking articles from this one: Archive 2
  7. Chemicals contained in tobacco: Archive 4, Archive 1

Other topics which have been discussed at some length relate to smoking and (in alphabetical order):

To-do list for Tobacco smoking: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-09-24


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  • Copyedit : There are typographic errors in the second paragraph: argicultural, hightens . Readability: remove 'in' from ' quit in were professional'. Outdated information. The price of cigarettes in the UK is no longer £4.50 to £6, it is now £5.20 to £6.85.


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Cite to BMJ on why people smoke (because addicted -- want and try to quit but can't)

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/335/7609/37?fmr

"Cross sectional studies show that most smokers in countries such as the United Kingdom and the United States report that they want to stop and intend to stop at some point.1 The rate of attempts to stop is high—78 attempts per 100 smokers per year in the UK—with many smokers making several attempts in a year.2 Nearly half of all smokers expect not to be smoking in a year's time,3 but only 2-3% actually stop permanently each year.3
The most common reasons smokers give for smoking are stress relief and enjoyment,4 but the main reason is nicotine dependence. Nicotine acts in the midbrain, creating impulses to smoke in the face of stimuli associated with smoking.5 Consequent changes in brain chemistry also produce "nicotine hunger" when a smoker goes without nicotine. A third mechanism underlying nicotine dependence is nicotine withdrawal: unpleasant mood and physical symptoms that occur on abstinence and are relieved by smoking.6 7 Nicotine dependence is the main reason that most unassisted quit attempts fail within a week.8 We give evidence based recommendations and new treatment options for healthcare professionals to increase the success rate of these attempts. Most evidence for treatment comes from randomised controlled trials summarised in the Cochrane reviews for tobacco dependence.

2009 Copyedit, Layout, and Coordination Log

I'll add notes about the layout of this article as I go. There is an overemphasis and somewhat loose or poor organization in health effects, reasons for take up, and so forth. This article exceeds 65KB and under WP:SIZE is open for spinoffs, which move individual sections into their own articles and a summery section would be created in its place (WP:SPINOFF, WP:SUMMARY). There is an omission of the a potential history section, which would take combine the histories of the histories of tobacco and histories of smoking.

So far I have completed the "Demographics" section, which exports responsibility to its main article Prevalence of tobacco consumption (formerly Tobacco demographics); and reorganized the "Consumption" section. "Health effects" would be difficult to reorganize since it contains information not found in the main article, Health effects of tobacco. ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Health effects reorganization:

  • "Establishing a link between smoking and health effects" → "Historical links"; self-reference, unnecessarily long, discusses only the historical aspects.
  • "Health risks of smoking" → "Effects"; possible rename, self-reference
  • "Lung dysfunction" → "Pulmonary"; dysfunction is inherently both non-neutral and somewhat unencyclopedic, we also want to introduce the reader to the vocabulary used in the sources and in the main article
  • "Effects on the heart" → "Cardiovascular"; self-references to section title, unnecessarily long, introduction to the vocabulary used in the sources and the main article
  • merge "Somatic and psychological effects" and "Mood and anxiety disorders" → "Psychological"; possible rename, it combines the central points of these two subsections, moved under "Effects"
  • "Health benefits of smoking" → "Benefits"; self-reference, unnecessarily long; inherently non-neutral (negative effects/positive) section title, should be merged into relevant sections (e.g. self treatment for schizophrenics, merged into Psycological).
The remaining section titles in the article have been renamed to be shorter, however it remains to organize them into something more digestible to the reader. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, the first step is complete, the sections are named according to the central point of their content—so the next step would be to resection according to related topics. After that, looking for the undue weight should not be easier and we can move them to the appropriate articles. We'll look for the omissions and resection to reflect those topics not adequately discussed when the weigh is distributed evenly to the relevant topics.

I'm sorry if the last two edits did not appear to be as constructive as the previous edits, layout is extremely difficult in large articles; which is why I left this one alone for so long. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Similarities are merged or grouped together to form more consistent sections with a simpler organization style, this makes it more accessible to the reader searching for specific sections of the article, and also furthers the article to be more focused on its topics. The following actions explains the transition from to :
  • "Consumption" contains the former sections of "Consumption", "Patterns" ("Consumption patterns"), and "Demographics"
  • "Consumption influences" have been moved below "Consumption"; since immediately following how and who consumes tobacco, a logical progression would be to answer why
  • "Health effects" remains where it is
  • "Smoking cessation" and "Tobacco and other drugs" have been merged with "Health effects"
  • "Social and economic impact" has been dissolved and it's subsections renamed to "Economic" and "Cultural" —thereby increasing the scope of these two subsections
  • "Economic", "Cultural", and "Religious" (renamed from "Religious views") are subsectioned under "Impact"
  • "Restrictions" is renamed to "Public policy"
  • "Age" in "Public policy", which essentially discusses the age bans are merged with "Bans"
  • "Warnings" is merged with "Advertising" since both convey the central point of restrictions and regulations on communications
Away from that, it's becoming clearer now that Health effects needs to be trimmed and moved to its main article Health effects of tobacco. However, the extent is certainly subjective. There are two methods of doing this:
  1. The first is the minimalist approach (one subsection under "Impact"), which would push to the reader to the main article if they want more on the health effects, this also lets us discuss the topic on its own grounds—and would allow push them, rather forcefully, to view the entire picture.
  2. The second would be to have health effects as its own section with a number of subsections. By weight, this is a critical section, as the health effects is the primary motivator for the impacts section and the public policy section, which work towards minimizing the adverse effects (mainly health). One issue though, is this could draw attention away from the main article, which from the available page view statistics are not very good.Tobacco smoking Health effects of tobacco
In either case the section will need to be cut down and the two article synced. No content at this point have been deleted or moved to other articles. Some opinions would be nice—to know that I'm not doing this alone. ChyranandChloe (talk) 08:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Cleanup has begun for the Health effects section:
  • The History section has been moved to Health effects of tobacco.
  • Indirect effects renamed to Product safety has been moved from Health effects of tobacco to "Public policy"
  • "Tobacco and other drugs" renamed to "Social" under "Impact", it discusses how tobacco may be used as a gateway drug.
  • "Smoking cessation" has been exported to the main article, it may be reentered at a later time when the article is more complete and focused
  • I'm holding off on the remainder of the Health effects section until a more appropriate summery section can be prepared. ChyranandChloe (talk) 06:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) The Health effect section has been migrated to the main article Health effects of tobacco, and a summery section created in its place. The Passive smoking section has not been moved. The next few section will likely be centered at Consumption influences section and the Passive smoking section. A longer summery section should be derived from the lead of Health effects of tobacco, however that would be difficult to do until the article has completed its copy edit. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Looking for similarities between subsection I've managed to cut it down to a few core topics. It'll be a while before I can summarize and cleanup the prose for easier reading, and a while longer to get a history section in—however the article is taking shape. Other than that, I'm trying something new: there are only two links in the See also, rather than devote an entire section to it, I've dropped the section and added a navigational template to it. In the future an infobox (part of the Series on Smoking) may be more effective, but we aren't there yet. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
“ ”
History section is effectively complete thanks to the developments in the article Smoking coupled with the coordination of several other articles. Looking back, one question that remains to me is why the original history section, found in the oldids, were removed. For example, in the July 2006 the article had a fairly lengthy history section, half of it was cited, however as the edits progressed from that point the history section was dissolved. There were attempts to create a History of tobacco smoking main article, however that was cut short in the April of 2007, when it was converted to a redirect. Conducting a search in the article archives, statements appear to circulate around that concept that the section was abandoned. User:Nmg20 might have some insight, he was around before I was.

The current article design appears to be close to completion. All relevant points are given adequate emphasis with a specific focus from which the reader may more readily access the information. The next phase would be to shorten several section using a summery-section design; specifically Psychology, the last two subsection in Impact, and Public policy are in need of this type of action. The two sections: Health effects and Cessation, while being relevant to the subject, are also one of the shortest in the article. These two sections are awaiting a more effective summery section that can be directly derived from the lead of their constituting main article. The External links have been removed as both unnecessary and non-neutral. The items in the References and Further reading should accomplish the task of providing for a route to expand the reader's knowledge. Further reading may receive the same treatment as the External links, however I am leaving it alone. Once the body have been effectively written a new lead can be derived, likely to be five paragraphs (the number of major relevant sections in this article) it may be used as a summery section if we wish to use this in other articles.

Article coordination between this article and the Smoking are of interest. Described in greater detail in Talk:Smoking. Currently I am defining this article as the most common practice of the consuming of tobacco. It does not receive the {{tobacco}} infobox since the agricultural product is only the substance used, the practice, however is perhaps a better context to place it in. ChyranandChloe (talk) 06:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The subsection "Cultural" under "Psycology" was moved to Tobacco advertising, parts of it were moved to the subsection "Social" under "Impact". A minor migration from the main article Smoking was moved into a new subsection "Consumption factors", this new subsection was then merged with "Personal relationships" and "Continued consumption". The last paragraph in "Social" was moved under Psychology under a new subsection titled "Gateway drug theory". Restrictions got several cuts as a large amount of content was moved to Tobacco advertising, this section still requires cleanup, but it's getting there. See also was removed as a redundancy in the context of the {{Smoking}} infobox. There are a slight reordering of the content, and parse cleanup, but those are insignificant.

One of the thoughts that come to mind while looking back is the concept of an "Impact" section. While "Effects" may be clearer, they idea of listing or covering all the effects of a particular subject may certainly be too much. For example, Health effects of tobacco can be tremendous in the context of this article. Instead "Impact" effectively limits the scope of its subsections to: "What are the key points, or where effects have left their mark". ChyranandChloe (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Added "Physiology" subsection under "Consumption", moved "Patterns" to be under "Psychology". The last paragraph in Physiology may warrant a better source, however brining up the rest of the article is more important. "Consumption factors" appears to be reaching a point where an article may be created for it. Patterns may need more content, and Gateway drug theory seems somewhat odd, but relevant. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Updated "Physiology" to be more descriptive of the receptors and to some degree the effects. All region or country specific was cut in "Demographics". The sixth paragraph in the subsection "Popularization" was cut for irrelevance. "Psychology" was redivided along logical lines. The remaining sections still need to be cleaned up, or rather their main articles need to be cleaned up so a more effective summery section can be derived from the main article's lead. Trying something new in "Gallery". I'm not doing a "See also" since this can easily be accomplished with the Smoking infobox; or a "External links". Therefore "Gallery" appears to be the best candidate for the sister project links. This action is consistent under WP:LAYOUT as guidelines are inherently advisory in nature, and under the WP:MOS stability clause as reasons go beyond a mere choice in style. Going through "Further reading" a number of the links can be either used or cut. Switching the citation style to {{Harvnb}} with {{Citations}}. ChyranandChloe (talk) 03:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 Copyedit, Prose, and Citation Log

Layout and article coordination is effectively complete. The next step would of course be the prose which ties itself in with neutrality and verification. Researched and verified content is not easy to write, it takes thorough reading and careful articulation. Below is the old lead, found in :


“ Tobacco smoking is the inhalation of smoke from burned dried or cured leaves of the tobacco plant, most often in the form of a cigarette. People may smoke casually for pleasure, habitually to satisfy an addiction to the nicotine present in tobacco and to the act of smoking, or in response to social pressure. In some societies, people smoke for ritualistic purposes. According to the WHO about one-third of the world's male population smokes tobacco.

Tobacco use by Native Americans throughout North and South America dates back to 2000 BC. The practice was brought back to Europe by the crew of Christopher Columbus. Tobacco smoking took hold in Spain and then was introduced to the rest of the world by trade. Tobacco is an agricultural product processed from the fresh leaves of plants in the genus Nicotiana. Tobacco has been growing on the northern continents since about 6000 BC and began being used by native cultures at about 3000 BC. It has been smoked in one form or another since about 2000 BC. There are pictoral drawings of ancient Mayans smoking crude cigars from 1400 BC.

Tobacco smoke contains the psychoactive alkaloids nicotine and harmane, which combined give rise to addictive stimulant and euphoriant properties. The effect of nicotine in first time or irregular users is an increase in alertness and memory, and mild euphoria. Nicotine also disturbs metabolism and suppresses appetite. This is because nicotine, like many stimulants, temporarily increases blood sugar levels.

Medical research has determined that tobacco smoking causes lung cancer, emphysema, and cardiovascular disease among other health problems. The World Health Organization reported that tobacco smoking killed 100 million people worldwide in the 20th century and warned that it could kill one billion people around the world in the 21st century.

”

Below are sources that were not used in inline verification:

Below are sources previous contained in the section "Further reading":

Citations are consistent up until the section "Psychology", which requires a convention to the {{Citation}} template system. The remaining section have yet to receive a new summery section from its associated article, or still requires copyediting. There are several gaps in the citations of the first paragraph in the lead, and the one pertaining to "Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement" appears to be dubious. News sources are often not considered as a reliable source. Direct page numbers would help improve the verification process several citations. ChyranandChloe (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


“ Religious prohibitions

Bahá'í Faith

Main article: Bahá'í laws § Alcohol, drugs and tobacco

In the Bahá'í Faith, smoking is strongly discouraged, but not forbidden.

Christianity
The majority of Christian denominations do not forbid their members from smoking, but do discourage smoking and support anti-tobacco campaigns on grounds of health. Smoking is forbidden as a matter of doctrine by a few Christian denominations, including the Seventh-day Adventist Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Islam
In Islam, the contemporary scholarly view is that any use of tobacco is forbidden (haram) due to its harmful health effects; the Qur'an forbids Muslims from self-harmful activities. {{citation}}: Empty citation (help) This view is a recent development coinciding with modern medical knowledge. Smoking remains prevalent in Muslim countries, as it has been for centuries.

”

Removed from History. Completely unverified (WP:V) and lacking relevance within the History section. These topics do not cover the historical aspects, but the moral. These sections have been deferred to the main article Religious views on smoking with a summery section flowing into the "Social" subsection, which is under "Impact".

Added Vaporizer to "Methods", cleaned pieces of the lead to use a more exact language. Removed the last sentence in the History section. It's been a while, but it's good to be back. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Prompt for anti-smoking groups in 1920s

I changed "With the industrialization of production and increased life expectancies in the late 1920s prompted anti-smoking groups to advocacate against its usage", which is not a proper sentence, to "The industrialization of production and increased life expectancies in the late 1920s prompted anti-smoking groups to advocacate against its usage", which is at least grammatically correct but I'm not convinced I got across the meaning the sentence is meant to convey. I admit I'm not sure exactly what this sentence is trying to say, can someone knowledgable clarify this? Tav-dogg (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Changed it to "The industrialization of tobacco production compounded with increased health awareness during the late 1920s prompted a strong anti-smoking political agenda." This probably better fits what I was trying to convey when I first wrote the lead. The political agenda, of course, refers to the sentence immediately following the one discussed. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Minor edits that I can't make

There's a link to "Preacher" that needs to be changed to "Preacher (comics)". Since this article is protected against anonymous edits, someone else will have to do it. 66.232.165.24 (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, the following line needs to be re-written:

"Similarly, cigarette smoking activity has been shown to follow distinct circadian patterns during the waking day, with the high point usually occurring shortly after waking in the morning or going to sleep at night."

While technically correct, this sentence (on first reading) seems to suggest that people smoke quite a lot after going to sleep at night...maybe change it to "or shortly before going to sleep at night." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.19.57 (talk) 03:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Sorry I couldn't fix this earlier, I was on break and despite this article being highly visible, it doesn't receive that much editor traffic. ChyranandChloe (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
  1. Smoking Statistics WHO Fact Sheet May 28, 2002
  2. List of health effects by CDC
  3. List of health effects by Australia's myDr
  4. Tobacco Could Kill One Billion By 2100, WHO Report Warns Science Daily February 8, 2008
  5. Tobacco could kill more than 1 billion this century: WHO Australian Broadcasting Corporation February 8, 2008
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