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Page Moves

Please stop making disambiguations "less ambiguous." If there's another sort of game by those titles, then it may be necessary, but "game" to "computer game" is unnecessary, really.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Falun Gong

I have also found that you have gone around and some weasel changes in articles related to Falun Gong. A very small number of them were legitimate. I will go around and change the rest back when I have some time. I am referring to instances where the original article would say "people", and you have changed it to "Falun Gong practitioners", for example re the self-immolation. The whole question is whether they were actually "Falun Gong practitioners" or not, that is what is in dispute, so characterising it that way from the beginning is not acceptable. You also did some other dirty things which I will rectify. I also urge you not to continue, because it is working against wikipedia.--Asdfg12345 13:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I would not like to make this sound like a criticism, but more like an encouragement to do even better. I think it would be better if you made slightly more proactively constructive edits on the Falun Gong pages, rather than simply reverting to earlier versions. I can certainly see that while in parts you are making worthwhile changes, at the same time, sometimes you have deleted sourced content or perhaps reduced more complete explanations. It would be better to invest a little more time and make the appropriate enhancements, rather than reverting. I am undoing your edits with the hope that you do it that way. By reverting, it means someone else has to do that work of comparing the two versions and using the best of each. I think we should just make changes that are positive for wiki, none that are not. In particular, deleting a lot of sourced text from the History of the People's Republic of China (1989–2002) page, I don't think that is the best approach. Maybe you agree with some of what I said. Happy editing!--Asdfg12345 23:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

hello. I think you may have inadvertently deleted a section on the overseas page. We are obviously editing from slightly different perspectives, but we can get along fine. I think one thing we can do to make that easy is to be transparent in our editing, leave clear summaries, and basically not delete legitimate stuff without comment/discussion. Of course, if it is out of place, irrelevant, unsourced, whatever, of course that is fine, no problem, because we should edit responsibly and improve the articles. In the most recent case I think you accidentally deleted that section on Saskatoon and Falun Gong. I don't have too much time to scrutinise the edits and compare the two versions, work out which belongs and which does not, then re-add the parts that were (inadvertently) removed, so I have just reverted to the previous version, and I hope you understand why. If you state clearly in your edit summary what you did, or if there are not enough words just quickly on the talk page, then that will make it heaps easier to identify what is going on. Right now I just reverted in the hopes that when you re-add the awards significance section (which will at some point need to be made NPOV with some firmer discussion/analysis) you will not do so at the expense of what is already there. Maybe we could make our editing style easy if we just do one "action" per edit, then leave an edit summary explaining. So one edit we rewrite a paragraph--then save that and write summary. then right away add in new one--save again, edit summary. Then delete a paragraph-save again, edit summary. I will try to keep to this at least because it will make it easier. Also, if you exlpain further it helps. So with this latest thing, it is a good idea to have it here, and if you just re-add it in its own section that will be fine, and then some scholarly discussion on the issue of Falun Gong's awards and recognition outside of china can ensue. Of course, it will be analysis of the meaning of these, whether one says they are worthless and easy to get, another says they are hard and meaningful, whatever, we should show all viewpoints. Anyway, just a friendly note about this point. Happy editing!--Asdfg12345 15:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Falun Gong edit wars

I would like to add a few words of encouragement to you for your efforts. You will have noticed it is not a sane environment to hang around in. There are FG sympathisers, FG apologists, CCP supporters and also some blatantly anti-FG vandals out there, all of whom make working on articles very difficult. None of the edits are stable, and I have not seen anything like this scale of push-pull elsewhere on wikipedia. Dilip, in particular, reacts rather violently to large scale changes and reverts of edits, and he has falsely accused me several times before, but I think we are all right now. In response to his accusations, I have tried to remain calm, and to make all my edits as transparent as possible. I find it helpful as an editor, and estimate that I now make maybe 30 edits instead of 3 as I was accustomed to do before, in order to have as detailed and accurate an edit summary as possible. Not everything pleases everyone, but at least I can no longer be accused of stealthily putting stuff in or taking stuff out.

What I still do have a major problem is is the volume of stuff which no other respectable journal is carrying for whatever reason, some of which is non-encyclopaedic, much is from Epoch Times. I disagree with some editors who insist that in building an article nothing should be deleted; others insist that what is reported in Epoch is true/fact, and removal thereof would be POV. You will also have noticed that a few apparently neutral editors have been scared off working in this destructive environment. I intend to stick around, and I hope you do too. Happy editing. Ohconfucius 02:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Sydney

Cool, yes I'm from Sydney too (but currently in London until the end of the year). I've noticed you are active on the Falun Gong pages. I admire your courage. =) --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries :) Have you been involved with FLG much?--PCPP (talk) 07:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Political cult

Please comment here . Thank You --HappyInGeneral (talk) 11:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching the Luthern paster who vandalized my user page

Thanks!

ps - also here are some facts about:

The Sujiatun/Kilgour report: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=2c15d2f0-f0ab-4da9-991a-23e4094de949&p=3

Epoch Time's financial connection with Falun Gong: http://sujiatunfactorhoax.blogspot.com/2006/08/so-whos-paying-for-all-this-propaganda.html

(Epoch Times, NTDTV, SoH radio's FLG affaliation are also mentioned in Thomas Lum's CSR report "China and FLG")

Falun Gong's link with the CIA: http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_308.shtml (if you don't know who Col. Robert Helvey is, Google him: http://www.google.com/search?q=Falun+Gong+Robert+Helvey+NED)

Bobby fletcher 2:18 17 December 2007 (PST)

Please stop disruptive editing

Hello. This is to request that you stop deleting sourced content from the Falun Gong cycle of articles and leaving spurious explanations. It is against wiki policies to delete sourced content for no reason like that. Frequently you do this without discussion or serious explanation. If you don't stop doing it there are internal mechanisms for community review in wikipedia, which can be initiated to assess your conduct. Editors can be banned for disruptive editing. Please stop deleting sourced content without discussion.--Asdfg12345 10:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday, I reverted several of the edits you made to Falun Gong and live organ harvesting because I felt the changes you made were not in the best interests of creating an encyclopaedic article. You appear to have re-posted (C&P) paragraphs containing views which were already present, and which interrupted the flow and coherence of the article. I have been watching the changes you made to Falun Gong, Persecution of Falun Gong and Third party views on Falun Gong. Whilst I agree with some of the changes you proposed, I feel that there may be a better way of editing by consensus. Thus I would ask you to play some ping pong, rather than engage in aggressive and continual edit-warring. You may have noticed that your approach may be counter-productive -the AfD for CIPFG started off on the wrong foot because other editors reacted aganist your edit history, I fear that I will be unable to swing the argument even though it genuinely appears to fail WP:ORG because your intentions were brought into question from the outset. Ohconfucius (talk) 01:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The user review request

I'm going to put this off again because it would take a while to look at all the diffs and present the evidence. I will just use this note, now, as another way of please urging you not to do this kind of thing again. It's now clear that there is a problem, and you have repeatedly been asked to stop the disruptive editing. If it happens again then I will go through all the diffs and start an rfc.--Asdfg12345 06:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

ANI

I have brought up the issue of your continuous page vandalism despite AfD consensus at WP:ANI. --Ave Caesar (talk) 13:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Falun Gong page moves

I think you're going about this all wrong. I've seen the ANI, and I think nobody will back you after edit-warring on page moves. If you want to move a page, I strongly urge you to try arguing your case on the talk page first.

There is certainly a problematic one here, which needs to be put back to Falun Gong and live organ harvesting, IMHO. How do you move a page over redirect? That page needs to be restored, but I can't seem to do it. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't discussion about this proposed move go to the relevant talk page? --HappyInGeneral (talk) 12:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

• It is. But you guys got so good at moving pages over redirects (I can't seem to) that I thought I'd solicit some technical advice. Ohconfucius (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

PCCP, some editors are asking for opinion on POV flag for the organ harvesting page. I don't care what your opinion is, just that your opinion is heard Bobby fletcher (talk) 19:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I see you couldn't stay away, and decided to get your hands dirty with CIPFG! Although I suspect he may be a FG person, I cannot tell what Ave Caesar's allegiances are. However, I think he is succeeding in tainting you. I would urge you to keep low for now. You may be surprised at the outcome if the temperature stays cool. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

CIPFG

If you get some free time, please have a look here, I would appreciate your comments on the CIPFG and Epoch Times, as they relay to the FG series of articles as a whole. MrPrada (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

rfc on bobby

I have notified Bobby fletcher that I will open an RfC on his conduct if he continues. I don't know if this is canvassing, as it's not my intention. Someone else needs to write on his talk page, asking him not to do any more incivility, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith, etc.. You may wish to do so. diffs:

1. personal attacks, some assuming bad faith: , , ,
2. attempt at "outing", sometimes with personal attacks mixed in: , , -- Please note, these are only a sample. Attempted "outing" goes back months, and Fred Bauder oversighted it. But the user has continued recently.
3. original research: -- Please note, the user has not aggressively reinserted this after it was pointed out

--Asdfg12345 01:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Shoot

Go ahead. Ohconfucius (talk) 01:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Pls discuss changes

thx--Asdfg12345 07:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question:

Arthur (Soul Calibur) is essentially a design element of Mitsurugi (Koreans ban samurai) and has no relevance. It ends up failing WP:N too due to lack of third party sources covering the subject.

The WP:N issue applies to Valeria (Soul Calibur), Hualin, Edge Master, and Li Long. I'm not wild about the policy, but it's better than losing all of the articles and these are just plot pieces.

If you want to object, find third party coverage from reliable sources and cite it in the articles to show notability for the subjects.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

For the record that was a request on the matter that if you can find some sources put them up instead of using the redirects. If you're interested in the current merge discussions on the matter, see Talk:Soul (series). Also note TTN's response there...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for a period of 24 hours for edit warring on Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong in China. It is essential that you are more careful to discuss controversial changes with the user in question, rather than simply revert them repeatedly: this applies even if you think or know you are correct. Edit warring helps nobody, and actually harms the page in question, and the encyclopedia. To contest this block please place {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Tiptoety 16:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

PCPP (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

re: Jossi's 1 week block over Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong, I was blocked previously by Blnguyen back in May over the same incident per , and I have never touched the article since. Please shorten the block per Tiptoety's block

Decline reason:

You weren't blocked for edit warring on Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong, you were blocked for edit warring on Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong in China, which you were. Request for unblock declined. — _Gb 17:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

PCPP (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was in fact already blocked by Tiptoety for 24 hours along with two other users involved over reverts at Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong in China, and this block is fair and I'm not contesting that. I'm referring to Jossi's one week block which clearly stated that I was blocked over an old incident at Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun back in May , which I was already blocked for by Blnguyen. , which was failed to be take into account. I'm not actually asked to be unblocked per see, but simply reverted to the original 24 hour block per Tiptoety.

Decline reason:

Block shortened to the original expiry time of 24 hours. I fully agree with jossi, and any continuance of edit warring will result in an immediate and longer block. Please be more careful in future. Thanks. — PeterSymonds (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Having glanced around a bit, I don't see anything obviously justifying the extension to a weeklong block; a bit more discussion might be in order? – Luna Santin (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

While I agree with Jossi that this user was being disruptive (seeing as I blocked him) I am not sure that a week long block is really justifiable here. The other two users that I blocked for edit warring on the same page blocks were not extended and remain at a length justifiable by their previous actions, and after looking at PCPP's block log I really do not see a whole lot of history with this issue. Also, take a look at all the other block lengths at the RfAr, this block by far (other than the one idef) exceeds any of the other lengths, and most of those users there are far more disruptive . I personally think that the block should be reduced back to the 24 hours. Tiptoety 20:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. A week is possibly too long for this activity, so I would support reducing it. I'd wait until jossi comments before granting this request. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

No objection, with this caveat. Any further edit-warring or other disruption will result in an immediate block of one week. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Falun Gong persecution article--3RR

You are not the only editor getting this message, but as of right now you are in violation of 3RR on the Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China‎ article. Further reverts to this article within the next 24 hours will most-likely result in a block--and, as I see above, it won't be the first time, so the block will probably be fairly substantial. Rather than reverting any more, please DISCUSS the changes you wish to make on the article's talk page, and wait until consensus is achieved before making any large-scale or controversial changes. Thanks...Gladys J Cortez 13:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

PRC

The language regarding FLG in this article for a very, very long time. I don't think it's POV to call a spade a spade. If you disagree with the language, take the disagreement to the discussion page instead of engaging in an edit war. I am always open to NPOV language, and if we can build consensus for a change, it will be reflected in the article.LedRush (talk) 05:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed the wording in the article to hopefully come to a compromise on the "persecuted"/"banned" issue; my comments are here. —Politizer /_contribs 22:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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FG an "important phenomenon"?

Hey there, could you please take a look at this discussion? Martin Rundkvist (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Final warning on editing Falun Gong pages.

Further to a recent complaint I received regarding your editing at the Falun Gong subject area, I am issuing you with a final warning against improper conduct when editing those articles. Whilst editing articles on this topic, please bear in mind Misplaced Pages's prohibition on using the revert function to remove changes to the encyclopedia that you do not agree with. This applies even where the changes appear to be undoing information that is reliably sourced; in such a case, you should contact an administrator and ask for assistance in having that editor dealt with, rather than blankly revert. I'd also remind you that Misplaced Pages's purpose is to present verifiable articles in a neutral point of view; deliberately introducing a non-neutral viewpoint into an article is quite contrary to what the project stands for, and will not be looked on kindly. If any section of this warning is breached, or your actions on a Falun Gong article gives reason for concern, then you may be, (a) blocked from editing; and/or, (b) reported to the Arbitration Committee, per the arrangements at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong#Article probation, with a request to have you banned from the subject area. It's disappointing that I'm having to issue blocks to experienced editors in this case, but there truly is a lack of professionalism and camaraderie in the working relationships between a number of editors working on this article. Regretfully, AGK 10:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edits

Regarding your recent addition to the article "Cult Suicide." Please note that among the academics who clearly state the incident was fabricated is Danny Schechter: "CCP's charges are unsubstantiated by outside parties." All later third-party analysis clearly state it was a fabricated incident. Also note reports by Ian Johnson, analysis by David Ownby, statement of Clive Ansley, Chair of CIPFG and China Country Monitor for Lawyers Rights’ Watch Canada who states: ".. we ultimately found out that it was a fraud anyway. It wasn't real, the people involved weren't Falun Gong members, it was completely staged by the government." Dilip rajeev (talk) 09:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Which is a view held by the above people and should be termed as such. What you're trying to do is present opinions as fact.--PCPP (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

My point being there is not a single academic/human-rights source which calls Falun Gong a "cult" let alone one which claims the incident was a "cult suicide." All good third party sources state the opposite. The most extensive analysis available, Danny Schechter's clearly state "CCP's claims are unsubstantiated by outside parties" - thats an authoritative statement on the issue - by no means a personal opinion.

Dilip rajeev (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The suicide was alleged, hence it was listed under disputed suicide section. Schechter is one one person, his views remain that, views. Stop trying to masquerade opinions as factual.--PCPP (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

This is regarding this particular edit of yours on the article "Sound of Hope":. There is no need add a non-factual "alleged" here and there. Please note that Amnesty, HRW, The US Congress as well as All Major Governments ( Ref: David Ownby ) clearly state this is a major human rights tragedy. Amnesty has released reports on the persecution of hundreds of practitioners, and many western countries grant asylum to practitioners. In light of all this data, you may want to remove the adjective "alleged" you have inserted at a couple of places in the article. Dilip rajeev (talk) 09:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

So China violates human rights, does that make all accusations of human rights violations in China factual? By removing the "alleged" label, you're saying that everything SOH says on human rights violations are facts, which they are not.--PCPP (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Please review your edit - the "alleged" there says the human rights violations are alleged - which, you know, is not true and contradicts all sources I mention above.

Dilip rajeev (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Stop trying to twist my words. I've clearly said that SOH's claims of China's human rights violations cames from their own perspective. Nothing states that their claims comes from the sources you listed above. SOH does not collaborate with Amnesty and HRW etc.--PCPP (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

There are two instances of "alleged"

• It has also come out with an audio version of the Nine Commentaries on the Chinese Communist Party, an attack on the CCP and its alleged actions throughout history.

-This is fine, the alleged term labels that the allegations from the authors of the Nine Commentaries.

• In depth reporting also focuses heavily on alleged human rights abuses by the Chinese government against practitioners of Falun Gong.

-I've changed this from alleged to reported ie what is widely reported to be HR violations by the PRC government.--PCPP (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

• I would remind you both that my warning regarding professional editing in the Falun Gong subject area stands. AGK 22:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)