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Welcome to the Misplaced Pages

Welcome, Eklipse!

Here are some useful tips to ease you into the Misplaced Pages experience:

First, take a look at the Misplaced Pages Tutorial, and perhaps dabble a bit in the test area.
When you have some free time, take a look at the Manual of Style and Policies and Guidelines. They can come in very handy!
Learn about some of the Misplaced Pages landmarks by trying our Misplaced Pages scavenger hunt!
If you need any help, feel free to post a question at the Help Desk
Misplaced Pages has a vibrant community of editors. The village pump is a great place to see the goings on.
Remember to use a neutral point of view!
Explore, be bold in editing pages, and, most importantly, have fun!

Also, here are some odds and ends that I find useful from time to time:

Feel free to ask me anything the links and talk pages don't answer. You can most easily reach me by posting on my talk page.

You can sign your name on any page by typing 4 tildes, likes this: ~~~~.

Best of luck, and have fun! Clockwork Soul 21:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: List of space telescopes

Hello. Thanks for your comments on Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of space telescopes. I'm replying here as that page seems to have been archived now...

I agree that adding some history to the page would be good, but I'm not a historian, and plain don't know it...

As for numbers: I could probably find the number of satellites currently in orbit, but it would take a while - I'd have to try to find out whether each of the satellites is still up there or not. Active is easier, but I'm not 100% confident that it would be the correct number - some satellites have possibly ended, but haven't said, and I occasionally find ones I missed (e.g. PAMELA which I added yesterday). It would also have to be updated fairly often (~ once a month).

What happens to terminated satellites is easier: they stay up there until their orbit decays and they fall back to Earth, when they burn up; or for those at Lagrange 2, they'll just stay there for a few million years until their orbit gets disturbed. I guess that could be added, so long as I can find a reference for it, but I'm not sure that it would fit in...

Having said all of that, I'll keep your comments in mind, and will try to modify the list in the future to accommodate some of your suggestions.

Thanks again. Mike Peel (talk) 18:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Lists of basic topics

I noticed you joined this WikiProject. Welcome.

As far as I can tell, the rest of the members are in it in name only. I've tried to stir them to action, but nothing has worked so far.

I hope you are an exception, and that you've added your name to the list because you want to make an impact.

This project is a very big undertaking. Only a few of the lists are complete. Which means there are hundreds of lists that still need work.

I've been picking away at them for over 2 years (I started out as User:Go for it!), and have done the majority of the work on them. The set is a lot more useful than it was, but there is still a looong way to go.

Even if the two of us worked on them full time, it would take years to complete the set.

We need help.

Lots of help.

Therefore, I believe we should take a strategic approach here.

The best thing we could do for this project is to recruit help.

Aggressively.

Are you in?

The Transhumanist 05:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured articles on Arabic Misplaced Pages

Hello Eklipse,

Thanks for noting that Japan is a featured article on the Arabic Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately, I don't read Arabic, so I can't tell what method the Arabic Misplaced Pages uses to indicate featured articles. I notice that Japan does not have the star in the corner that the English Misplaced Pages uses to mark featured articles. In contrast, History of Kuwait, which is featured and is presently on the main page of the Arabic Misplaced Pages, has that star in the top left corner. Can you tell me how to look at an article and determine whether it is featured?

Thank you, Fg2 (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a nice method. Fg2 (talk) 08:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Award

Oh many thanks for the award much appreciated!!!! I only just saw it!! As you can see my talk page gets a fair bit of traffic. Yes I'll try to help develop few. I've drawn up the bones for all the other templates at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lebanon/District templates . If you and WP:Lebanon and User:George etc could develop them and add links to each one I think the condition of Lebanese articles would really improve. I;m sure the template could be filled out a bit with notable articles related to each district. I'll try to add what I can. At present I have Mexican towns on the go and trying to sort them out. Best regards and thanks! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ 20:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Lists of basic topics

Hi. Here's an update of what we've been up to in this WikiProject...

We've created a page for every country of the world! They're not complete, and most of them aren't even in the main namespace yet, but...

A team of editors has been working on them, and they've come a long way.

We're about to run a competition, called "Around the World", in which participants will compete in the completion of specific data items across all of these country lists. For example, one task would be adding the population figure on each page.

The awards images are almost done, and the pages themselves need a couple sections completed before they can be moved to the article namespace and the competition can begin.

We could sure use your help...

Track down the administrative divisions types for each country

The first task is on the "Administrative divisions of" sections.

In each of these sections, there's an initial hierarchical list of the division types in that country, followed by subheadings for each of the types. Unfortunately, the types listed are those from the template I used to create these pages, and they aren't accurate for many countries.

The defaults that I used were:

Provinces of x
- Districts of x
  - Municipalities of x

For each country, change the links to the names of the administrative divisions for that country, adding more links if there are more than 3 division types. Those that are subdivisions of another type are indented under the parent type. In most cases, you would leave municipalities in place, because that's a generic name for "city". We'll blue-link those later. (Blue-linking is creating a redirect so that a link turns blue - that way, the link remains standardized on all the pages in the set).

Also change the subheadings in the same section to match the initial list, including the "main article" links presented just below each subheading.

To find out what the administrative divisions are for a country so you can add them, try looking on the government of x or politics of x pages for that country, and on the country's main article as well.

Add the administrative divisions to their respective subsections

For each country, find the list of administrative division for each type, and add them under that type's subheading.

For example, copy and paste the provinces listed at Provinces of Angola under the "Provinces of Angola" subheading on that country's list page.

See the countries listed at Lists of basic topics for examples of how this has been done for those. If there's a map showing the administrative divisions, grab it too.

Generally do not add towns and cities to the municipalities section, as there are usually way too many of them (and will unnecessarily bloat the page). Instead, provide links to the various pages (Cities of x, ], Villages of x, etc.

Complete the "Government of x" section

This section also has temporary data, and needs to be corrected/completed.

The name of the position of the head of state and head of government of each country needs to be corrected, and the specific office holders added.

The branches of government subheadings need to be corrected/filled in.

Etc.

The above tasks are fun, because it's interesting to see how other countries operate. I've completed about 25 of the country pages so far, and I've been intrigued and even amazed at some of the approaches different countries follow. The U.S. is definitely behind in many respects.

Please help out as much as you can, and help us get Around the World started!

Sincerely,

The Transhumanist 17:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

My FLC

I've adressed the comments raised at the FLC for Featured list candidates/List of municipalities of the Brussels-Capital Region. I would appreciate it if you could take another look at the nomination. Thanks for the review! Malinaccier (talk) 01:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Lebanon

Although no-one in Lebanon refers to the currency as Lira (when speaking English) it should be noted that in some regions the common English usage (usually outside Lebanon) is Lira not pound. The two terms are interchangable. I just wanted to give that opinion to the edit someone made on Lebanon --AreaControl (talk) 21:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

See Lira. It mentions Cyprus as an area where Lira/Pound is the exact same term. I only wanted to mention this as it could have been a misunderstanding from a user outside Lebanon who simply believed the terms to be equally usable --AreaControl (talk) 21:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course I agree with your message. I was merely pointing out that some countries that use the currency "pound" also refer to it as "lira" when speaking English. Thanks AreaControl (talk) 10:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Concerning the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lists of basic topics

(the RfDs have already run their course)

RfD nomination of Navy of Sudan

RfD nomination of Navy of Belarus

Navy redirects

We've been "bluelinking" the Navy of x links in the basic topic country lists, by creating redirects for them, even for the countries that have no navy.

There's been a little controversy over the navy redirects for the landlocked countries (many of which have no navy), as you can see above. But it's all been worked out. Each country with no navy gets a redirect to wherever it is reported that it has no navy, or failing that, to its "military of" article.

The country lists are coming along slowing but surely. It shouldn't take too much longer before they will be complete enough to move into article space (!), but I can still use all the help I can get. (hint hint).

The Transhumanist 20:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

We could sure use your help in bluelinking the links in these lists (each link appears in one of the various country basic topic lists):

To bluelink them, create a redirect to wherever the information is covered. If there is no entity, redirect to where that is (or should be) covered.

If you have any questions, please contact me. The Transhumanist 20:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

List of people who died before the age of 30

It appears obvious now that the page List of people who died before the age of 30 is headed to deletion. I support its deletion myself. But this has given me an idea. Do you think it would make sense to have a set of categories called "Age x deaths," all in a parent category called "Deaths by age?" That seems like a better idea. This way, there would be no worry where to draw the line as to what age is "significant" as an age of death, and all ages people live to can possibly be included. There would be no need for one person to create all these categories in one day - they could be built gradually over time. We already have categories like 1949 deaths. Why can't we do the same with age? I would like some input. Sebwite (talk) 23:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thnak you!

Hello, nice to meet you! Thanks for your barnstar. I appreciate it! Have a nice day! Ciao! Angelo De La Paz (talk) 23:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Lebanon list, list titles

The format has been updated slightly. Check its current format against Template:BLT country and add anything that is missing. The pronunciation item, for example.

Other than that, the main things that need to be done to the list are:

Fix/finish the government branches sections (executive, legislative, judicial)
Fill in the blanks (population, size, president, commander in chief, etc.)
Replace the pipe (the part of the link after the "|") in the "capital of x" link to the name of the capital.
Blue link as many of the redlinks as possible.
Google "Lebanon" in a wikipedia site-specific search (click on advanced search and place http://en.wikipedia.org/ in the domain field). Setting the results to 100, and the search to titles only is also essential. Excluding "category" and "template" refines the results. Add links to any articles that you think are appropriate.
Look the categories for Lebanon over for major topics, and add any you feel belong (don't try to include every link - this is an outline, not an index.

You wanted models. All of those that have been moved to article space are more complete than the rest, and make good models, especially the ones with maps and pictures (Japan, France, Iceland, and Taiwan). Here are all the ones moved to article space:

Albania • Algeria • Angola • Argentina • Australia • Austria • Canada • Ecuador • Egypt • France • Germany • Iceland • India • Indonesia • Iran • Iraq • Ireland • Italy • Isle of Man • Israel • Japan • Macau • Mexico • Russia • Taiwan • Thailand • United Kingdom • United States

There were two name-related proposals. One was that all pages of this type be required to have the standard name - this proposal failed, which means any editor can change the name of any of the pages on a whim. See List of opera topics.

The other proposal was for renaming the whole set. Nobody could agree on what to call them, and many of the people in the discussion didn't even understand the proposal.

It was a fiasco all the way around. When I renamed all the pages previously, only one page got any complaints (opera), but I reverted them all based on that (a big mistake), and posted the proposals. The proposals shouldn't have been made in the first place (another big mistake), and they got bogged down by Parkinson's Law of Triviality.

By the way, nothing has been discussed about the naming of new pages of this type. I've been naming new pages "Topic outline of x", where x is the subject. And a few other pages here and there.

I hope you find the above answers useful.

The Transhumanist 23:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Eklipse. You have new messages at Plasticup's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Interlanguage Extension

A request to activate the extension on Wikimedia projects has been created here, you can vote for it, advise other people to vote, or just spread the knowledge of it in any other way. Nikola (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Eklipse,

I saw your note at Nikola's talk page. I have already mentioned it at the Village Pump: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive 48#Interlanguage Extension. I don't have any clever ideas about where else you can promote it. Maybe Wikitech-l (see Misplaced Pages:Mailing lists). --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Outline of Knowledge / Geography WikiProject Collaboration: Country outlines

As you probably remember, last spring we started work on the "Geography and places" branch of Misplaced Pages's Outline of knowledge. (WikiProject Lists of basic topics has been renamed to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Outline of knowledge). The geography branch is in the form of a set of outline pages including one for every present-day nation or state in the world. That's 247 pages! This has been a huge undertaking, involving dozens of editors using advanced wiki-tools.

These pages have come a long way, and it won't be long before the whole set is complete enough to be moved to article space into the encyclopedia for the benefit of all. But there's still a lot of work left, and we could use all the help we can get!

While some editors prefer to work on one country at a time, most of our team members take on a particular entry and complete it across all the pages. This has come to be our standard type of task. To facilitate this process, we apply tools such as AutoWikiBrowser, Linky, and WikEd, all of which can be used to process a large number of pages in various (direct or indirect) ways.

In case you are interested in what we've been up to, here's a progress report:

Lately, development has been slow but continuous:

On our recruiting initiative, Penubag has done a fantastic job on the images for the awards we'll be using for our project's collaborations and contests. We now have 3 awards: a medal, a trophy, and a race ribbon. They all look tight. The trophy needs a small adjustment, but other than that, all 3 award images are complete and ready to use to create awards with.

Spartaz has warned us of (threatened to take) G4 (speedy delete) action if we run a competition that resembles the previously deleted Awards Center page. So whatever we do, any contests we run must differ substantially from the methods used there.

One type of competition I've been exploring is "edit racing". I'm in the process of working the bugs out of this concept - the first race didn't work as expected - you see, because we only had an award for first place, so the opponent didn't think it worthwhile to continue once it was clear who the winner would be. And since editors are in different time zones and usually need to start the race at different times, we need to base winning on personal start times - he who completes his assigned edits in the least time (rather than first), wins. And last but not least is quality control. What good is racing if the participants' edits are ripe with errors? So I'll be exploring possibilities such as using a referee (assigned to oversee a particular race), having participants watching each other for errors to knock them back, etc. I'm not sure yet.

Rich Farmbrough has been applying his bot expertise to filling in blanks in the country outlines (the population and area entries). I'm amazed at the number of edits he pumps out each day on a myriad of projects - ours makes up but a small time slice of his activity, and yet he has saved us many hours of manual work. Perhaps we should look into how he gets so much done. :)

Zlerman has chosen to work on specific outlines, and has taken on Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. He also has been keen on noticing and reporting design issues pertaining to the whole set of country outlines. Keep up the good work!

Highfields is in charge of capitals, adding them to all the outlines. He is also our first race winner. Check out the award on his user pages.

In case you didn't know, this project has expanded to include work on any and all sets of pages represented on the country outlines. Once the set of country outlines go live (in article space), traffic will likely increase for all the links included on them. The quality and usefulness of those pages will reflect heavily on the country outlines. The outlines, which are essentially lists of links, are only as good as the links they present, and therefore we've branched out to solve the biggest problems with those as well. So far, we've taken on:

The creation of disambiguation pages for country adjectivals ("German", "French", "Taiwanese", etc.) We're about half done with these.
Wikifying the CIA World Factbook statistics on the "demographics of" country pages. We've been renaming those sections to provide a key string that AWB can use for targetting (for skipping and filtering). Once that's done, we'll be able to break the clean-up down into simple AWB search/replace tasks, because we'll be able to target just those pages that include the CIA stuff.
We've also been renaming the "Cuisine of" articles to their adjectival forms ("Chinese cuisine", "Italian cuisine", etc.), for consistency and because the adjective-based terms are generally the most commonly-used names for those cuisine types.

Blackadam2 and Thehelpfulone have been helping out with the "demographics of" pages mentioned above.

And we have a couple speed addicts (addicted to wiki-velocity, not drugs)...

Both Robert Skyhawk and Thehelpfulone prefer (and excel at) simple AWB search/replaces. Robert hasn't actually joined our team yet, but he has been helping out quite a bit from the sidelines (via the WP:AWB/Tasks page. Unfortunately, there has recently been a non-AWB chore that has been holding things up on the AWB front - an edit to all the headings which had to be reverted before too many new edits were made, because any new edits would make the reversion more difficult. The headings have been restored, so now the way is clear for AWB operations, and there are many search/replace tasks in the queue. AWB assignments have started again!

There's a similar bottleneck on the "Demographics of" pages (the "keying" mentioned above), but that's almost cleared too. :)

With my internet access somewhat crippled as of late, I've been finding it difficult to keep up with you guys. However, I expect to be accessing a Linky-capable workstation on a faster server (I'm on it right now, as you can probably tell from my contributions list for the past couple of days), and so I should really pick up speed. Feels goooooood. :)

Recruiting has been a bit slow (but steady), due in part to my crippled access, and because we've been waiting for the images for the awards to be completed. I expect the team to grow more rapidly as the bottlenecks are removed.

Well that's what's been happenin', and here's what's in the pipeline...

We've got a long list of entries that need to be completed across all the outlines and related page sets. If you would like to dive in with advanced wiki-tools to process this whole set of pages on one or more tasks, drop me a note!

As for me, I'm about to begin work on a set of lists that corresponds to all the standard links on the country outlines, and these will be presented on the Topic outline of countries which will be organized exactly like the country outlines. Aside from being an extremely useful navigation aid, it will allow editors to easily see the state of country coverage on Misplaced Pages - each list will be one link-set, and each list can be used with our wiki-tools to process the pages listed. I'll provide you with a link once I get up to speed on this.

In the meantime, keep in touch!

Cheers,

The Transhumanist 00:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!!

Thank you for the barnstar, appreciated. I should put more efforts, but lately I got so busy!. --Zaher1988 · |_{Contributions} 10:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

This IP is blocked because it has recently been confirmed to the an open proxy: a way for users to access Misplaced Pages indirectly that may help abusive individuals evade blocks. This is your first edit since the block was placed: can you try refreshing your internet connection and see if you can edit afterwards? If this is a consistent problem for you, it may be possible to grant you IP block exemption based on your relatively long and productive edit history, I just want to make sure it's necessary first. Mango juice 19:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Although it's still a proxy, it looks like it's now been closed and the other IP firewalled; so, it's okay for you to use it. Cheers =) --slakr 02:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Do not read this one - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009

While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?

Do you think they'd like this one at WP:DYK?

(Nope. They didn't.) :)

Libraries

For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Misplaced Pages is small. (See Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries, and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential. :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

Hunting for outlines

I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge. And of course I turned to Misplaced Pages to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Misplaced Pages that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format. But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:

List of energy topics --> Outline of energy (it converted great)
List of Dewey Decimal classes --> Outline of Dewey Decimal classes (no conversion)
Library of Congress Classification --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit. So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is. For now. This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all. Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

Alternate outlines of knowledge

...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge! Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them? :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Misplaced Pages's outlines? :) :) :)

They become alternate top ends to the OOK

Yep.

What can you find?

I challenge you to find some "hidden" outlines.

I dare you to take a look around Misplaced Pages for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to WP:WPOOK#The hunt for hidden outlines.

My trophies are already there.

May the hunt begin!

The Transhumanist 21:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Still active?

You are listed on the volunteer list of theOutline of knowledge WikiProject.

Is this something you are still interested in participating in?

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 20:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple questions for you...

What are the benefits of a tree structure?

The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question. :)

What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles?

What benefits have you noticed?

How are Misplaced Pages's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 04:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Has the shit hit the fan? - WPOOK update, 05/25/2009

Maybe...

We've started the next phase

I was experiencing mental block on the article draft for "outline" and on the outline guideline draft. And this was holding the whole project back. Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about 1600 notices all over Misplaced Pages. And the plan is to place several thousand more.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits. However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed. But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump. See below...

Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion

It appears that the banner placed on the talk page of the Outline of Switzerland caught the attention of an editor named Dbachmann who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on WT:WPOOK, another at WP:VPP, and still another at WP:AN!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications. And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate WP:CFORK.

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Misplaced Pages, and fall under the WP:LISTS and WP:STAND guidelines. They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD. Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But Dab's discussion at the Village Pump is still active. Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

Now what?

Am I disheartened or deterred? Hell no. I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the article draft and the guideline. Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

Over the next week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices. It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once. :)

The Transhumanist 23:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at WP:VPR#OoK's expediency. --TT 04:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)