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Archive 1

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. A page you recently created may not conform to some of Misplaced Pages's guidelines for new pages, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. You may also want to read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong but I think the page you are talking about is Tylenol overdose witch stated "See tylenol and drug overdose", you deleted it, it was in my opinion a useful redirect,witch is why I made it. did you delete it because in your opinion it was hamful of just not helpfull in conjunction whith violating a policiy or guideline, or just because it violated a policiy or guideline (and I did not know this violated a policiy or guideline), because if you deleteted it just because it violated a policiy or guideline, but it impoveved Misplaced Pages, You violated Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules witch is a policiy.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you create an inappropriate page, you will be blocked from editing. I refer to your bizarre and implausible redirects. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I have been in good faith making these "bizarre and implausible redirects" sense 2008 and until now no one has complained until now (or at lest not on my talk page and not that I know of). Isn't this a bit harsh for no prior warning, now I am afraid to do much of anything for fear of being blocked.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

• OK, then I'm sorry if I came off harshly. It's often difficult to ascertain where a user is coming from during the creation of articles and such. If you made these edits in good faith, then again, I am genuinely sorry. You needn't ever fear editing in good faith. It's just that some of these redirects were really, really implausible, but again, no good faith edit will ever get you blocked. Promise. Regards, PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:18, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Apology accepted--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It seamed to me that a misspelling redirect, even a very rarely used one was might still useful because it helps someone who has spelling difficulties, including people are learning English, and at worst, did no harm. Because of doing no harm, it semed safe to add thees. May I still add them?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You certainly may. Thanks for being gracious and thanks for your contributions. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason I have bean making redirects such as Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules/Archive 15 redirecting to Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules in this case is so from Misplaced Pages talk:Ignore all rules/Archive 15 you could click "Project page" and arrive at Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules. Is it ok to make these kinds of redirects?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Believe me, you don't need my permission to edit. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I know that I don't need your permission to edit, but I see how what I said cold be misunderstood to sound like I thought I did(Our 2ed misunderstanding). Our 1st misunderstanding (the block threat one) aside you you had issues with my bizarre and implausible redirects so I was expelling them.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Does this take care of all bizarre and implausible redirects concerns? Also I redirected Misplaced Pages:Flaming to Misplaced Pages:Civility but on second thought I probably should have not, as you did not quite say that the original message does not apply. I unfortunately tend not to react without more clarity then most people would need, sorry.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Question for administrator

{{adminhelp}} I would like to redirect User:Essjay to User talk:Essjay with the edit summery:"This page is redundant and the talk page has more information." but the page and it's talk page are fully protected. --Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that user wanted his user page to be shown like that. See WP:USERPAGE for more info. Users can select what they want on their userpage and talk page (within certain limitations). As such, I believe we should respect his desire to have his userpage shown as such. You can look at the logs for that page and see a few edits down the page this summary: "1 revisions restored: Selectively restore last edit, per Essjay's request". Killiondude (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

To clarify; I'm not an admin, but I'm pretty sure any admin will state something similar to what I just said--that Essjay's request should be honored. Killiondude (talk) 21:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Killiondude, usury I would agree with you but Essjay has bean retired sense 2007, so the change can not be suggested to Essjay, and the user page contains only a notice that he is retired. The talk page contains that same notice and a final message from Essjay.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Not changing it. No point, if Essjay had wanted it that way he'd done it himself. Bjelleklang - talk 22:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Essjay may have not done it that way because he had not thought of the idea to do it that way. The talk page contains all of the information that the user page contains, witch is the retirement notice, and the talk page has the final message. And there is a point, so people can more easily find the final message, and know there is one.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

He was a very experienced user, so I think he'd have done it himself if he wanted to. Even if he didn't think of it (there's not really any way we can be certain of this), I still won't do anything about it as this was how he left it. Bjelleklang - talk 22:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I apologise in advance if this sounds harsh but I can not think of a less harsh wording. If you have not looked at User:Essjay and User talk:Essjay would you please do so. You may agree with me if you do so. And again I apologise in advance if this sounds harsh.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

And I am not saying you did not read it--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Essjay clearly wanted his final message to be accessible, redirecting "User:Essjay" to "User talk:Essjay" would make his final message more accessible, and might he object to us not doing it out of fear he would object. I would say it is more likely he would object to us not redirecting "User:Essjay" to "User talk:Essjay" out of fear he would object then it is he would object to us making his final message more accessible, so we should be on the safe side and make his final message more accessible.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)Please stop speculating. We'll leave it how Essjay left it, because it was/is his/her userpage. Thanks. Killiondude (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Killiondude, in response to your saying "Please stop speculating" I am not sure what you mean. If you are arguing that speculation is a weak argument, I partly agree. In my opinion speculating has inherent flaws, but can be a convincing argument, but proof is allot more convincing then speculation. In response "his/her" being in bold, I was not assuming that Essjay was male, I was using "his" in a gender-neutral way to refer to someone who's gender is not known. To the best of my knowledge, this usage was almost universally accepted before the 1970s, but since then, the correct singular pronoun for someone who's gender is not known has been disputed.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I bolded it to emphasize that it is their userpage. Not for anyone else to manipulate (as long as they aren't breaking any rules, which it isn't). Feel free to post on WP:AN or elsewhere if you don't agree with what Bjelleklang and I have stated. Killiondude (talk) 02:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops...!

Hi, Emmette. I think I may have deleted that sandbox back when I incorrectly thought you were editing contentuously. Sorry about the mix-up. I've restored it for you. Thanks for letting me know and please don't ever hesitate to ask me for assistance. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS TOTALLY NOT URGENT!!! IMMEDIATE ACTION NOT REQUIRED!!

United States government in Jericho is on my watchlist, so I'm sure to see your comments within a few days. —Tamfang (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

OK--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

About Jimbo's userpage

Moved to User talk:Jimbo Wales#About Jimbo's userpage.

Whales

related discussion at: Misplaced Pages talk:External links#Is the external links symbol supposed to be on internal links? 

Hi. I've undone some dubious edits you've made. You should not doing things like wrapping plainlinks around others' comments and you have some odd ideas about the local God-King's userspace. I'll assume good faith for now but will also suggest a healthy interest in Whales. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by "wrapping plainlinks around others' comments". In some comments that are not mine, there have been some internal links that incorrectly appeared to be external links, that I made appear correctly. Is this what you meant?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I'm referring to, amongst other things. You are incorrect in you characterization of those links; links with full urls get the icon by design; if you want to argue against that go find the right place and make your case — nb: it has been proposed before. You have no business doing the plainlinks trick on comments by others; do stop. You should be quite cautions about mucking with Jimbo's page; many watch it. And please do not leave {{talkback}}s on my page; I know where this discussion is. You are on my watchlist now, which is not necessarily wise. Jack Merridew 15:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

About my editing other people's comments to remove the external link symbol, in recospet(this word is probably grossly misspelled, please correct it's spelling then remove this notice), I should not have done it, and I apologise. It was in good faith, but stupid.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What are the other things you are referring to? Per User:Jimbo people are encouraged to edit Jimbo's userpage. Isn't you're comment a little harsh, especially the "You are on my watchlist now, which is not necessarily wise" part.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

My wording about you're comment was poor. "a little harsh" is vague and could easily be misunderstood. A better wording is: Although it may not have been you're intension, "You are on my watchlist now, which is not necessarily wise" sounded a bit like a threat. Would you please clearly what it meant.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If there was a misunderstanding because if my wording, I apologise--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:49, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Do not be wikt:obtuse; WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Read what I've said again, stop what you've been doing, and do something useful. Take the hint, really. ;) Jack Merridew 16:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by "obtuse", the page you linked to more then 1 definition that could fit. maybe I worded my previous comment poorly, I was NOT saying you're comment that began "Yes, that is what I'm referring to" was rubbish--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Jack Merridew, you are asking me to stop what I have been doing, but apart from the internal links thing, I do not know what I have been doing wrong.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

In response to you saying "Take the hint, really" I do not know what you mean. If you are beating around the bush, It would help me to understand if you did not beat around the bush.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Emmette, you do know exactly what I mean. To not beat around the bush, you are trolling. Jack Merridew 04:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I never made edits to attempt to provoke people into an emotional response. The debates I am in tend to be long, because I like debating, and that gives me more motivation then most people would have. You seem to be accusing me of bad faith editing, but I am here to help wikipedia, as you are. This false accusation is adding stress to my already stressful life. Doesn't the accusation violate Assume good faith--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

re: “I like debating” — You’ve touched the root issue here; taken too far, that is trolling.
See: Misplaced Pages:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass.
Jack Merridew 10:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not up to preparing a good response now, and I should take some time to look at my own behaver, but we have gotten through the big part, I now realise that you were Assuming good faith, I apologise for misunderstanding you.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

In my debating I have been making an argument, those who disagree with me make counter-arguments, and I make counter-counter-arguments. It tends to go on for a wile because I find debating fun, and thus I continue debating after, to most people, it is not worth continuing. Although, wean debating with me, people tend to continue making arguments, almost as much as I do. Apart from being fun, this is an attempt to improve Misplaced Pages. I do not see how this is harmful.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not a troll, what makes you think I am?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, gosh; threads like this? Jack Merridew 16:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If I was trolling, I did not realise it.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I would never intensionally harm Misplaced Pages, but there have probably been a few times when I have unintentionally harmed Misplaced Pages. Do you believe me, Jack Merridew?--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

My contributions to Jerichopedia should be evidence that I am acting in good faith.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Plip!

Jack Merridew, I do not know what you mean by that last post.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow...

I'll certainly keep an eye on the goings-on if you wish. I know that it isn't any fun when these sorts of thing happen. Thanks for letting me know. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

PMDrive1061, I can not say "you are welcome" because it is me who should be thanking you--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Jack is a long-established user and I'm sure he means well. My best advice would be not to engage in edit warring and remember to stay civil. Things can get hot here. Believe me, I know. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Emmette, it's like I was saying: Don't engage in an edit war and do try and work out the dispute. You might start with the advice you'll get at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. I know Jack is a reasonable individual, so I'm certain that you work it out with him. If you can't, there are ways of getting help, possibly via arbitration. I'm not an arbitor, so this is probably the best help I can offer at this point. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case,the misunderstanding should not last long, Thanks for the help, PMDrive1061.Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk)

Please just take the friendly advice. ;) Jack Merridew 16:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)