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User:Drew R. Smith/game

WP:NPA and WP:POINT

With regard to these your statements... You came to my talk page only to call me a vandal and claim that I intentionally misrepresent sources. And you still did not provide any proof of that. You also said above that you intentially reverted a bunch of my edits to teach me a lesson. Are you going to continue, to follow my edits in articles you were never interested before and revert my edits? Doing so is against WP policies. Regards, Biophys (talk) 15:40, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw this as I am still watching this talk page. This looks like a clash of strong POVs to me, and I have no idea who is right. But one thing: We have a very restrictive, technical definition of vandalism here, which makes sense because reverting vandalism is exempt from 3RR and this exemption is not supposed to be effective in a case such as this one. It's easy for a beginner to get this wrong, especially because many of the more experienced editors abuse the word in all those contexts where they can get away with it. Vandalism warnings are not one of them. --Hans Adler (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

This user apologized, and I asked him not to follow my edits. If he follows this advise, everything should be fine. I am not sure what you call my "POV". I do not hold any strong opinions about Novodvorskaya beyond following WP:BLP rules, and I do not care about Neo-Stalinism. I edited hundreds other articles and will continue doing so. Thank you for the comment.Biophys (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Renominating

It's a little soon, unless you've come up with some really persuasive arguments that weren't touched on last time. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

There's no hard-and-fast rule; generally, though, unless the closure was so inappropriate that it should have gone to deletion review, I've seen it suggested that six months is a good bare minimum. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply

I would appreciate if you do not revert every my edit, even such neutral edit as formatting an image (), without even talking. Also note that you promised at the ANI do not edit war using alternative accounts, but you are doing just that.Biophys (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

As I've explained to you on your talk page, you cited WP:BLP as a reason for removing a photograph of Valeriya Novodvorskaya, whereas WP:BLP privedes for no such thing. You did not reformat the image; you deleted it. And I am watching the Novodvorskaya page, as you seem to be the only one making the extraordinary and radical anti-consensus claims found at Talk:Valeriya Novodvorskaya. My edit only happened under an IP as I got automatically logged out at the time of going to the Novodvorskaya page without realizing it, and I identified myself with both accounts within a minute of making the edit, as you have obviously seen at User talk:32.178.98.17. Best, PasswordUsername (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I did not cite BLP as a reason for removing image. Two very similar images of the same person are too much per WP:MOS. Your revert of such "gnomish" edit, without even talking, was unacceptable.Biophys (talk) 01:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

MOS doesn't forbid using two images of the same person to illustrate– you did still cite BLP in your removal of the picture in your second edit to a version rejected by consensus(1), whereas you did not cite any policy of Misplaced Pages in your "two pictures are unnecessary" summary in the first one. I don't see what the issue of MOS here is; if it's a matter of adding captions, I can easily do that should you request. Your first edit also requests that we see talk, whereas you added nothing new to the discussion (where all your previous points had been addressed) there before reverting from the previous version. PasswordUsername (talk) 01:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

You are right

You are absolutely right about this. I was just about to post a similar comment. (I totally disagree with User:Biruitorul's claim: "since their return, Digwuren has shown good conduct, but Petri Krohn has proven unable to do so.) However, I decided to leave the board in peace and complained here instead. I can only hope that the admins will take a deeper look at the issues before jumping into action. Offliner (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

MLauba (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Volunteers

The brigade resorted to the conscription of young Estonians to complete its establishment and many others. Do you mean that you edit-warred without even trying to find out anything about the subject? Not good. Colchicum (talk) 03:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Explain

This is synthesis, as the source is not about Armenians. You may ask at any noticeboard and will learn that this is not on. Furthermore, this is a logical fallacy, the synthesis would be valid only if all Russophones were left without Estonian citizenship, which is emphatically not the case. Frankly, you don't even know for sure whether these 2,000 Armenians lived there before 1991 or they are recent immigrants. You don't even know whether they are Estonian citizens or not. This is pure original research, or rather guesswork. And in no way could the Russophones in question be "deprived" of what they had never had. Systematically? Where is this taken from? Your source doesn't use such words. Colchicum (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Beer lovers

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User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on June 7 2009 to Kaitsepolitsei

Fifth revert

I did indicate a fifth revert later on in the discussion for Sander Sade. Would appreciate it if you take a look. Thanks. PasswordUsername (talk) 11:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Not obviously. What is it? William M. Connolley (talk) 11:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

This is revert # 5: . (This is another instance of Sade reverting my edit, not in the first four I'd indicated in the beginning. I misattributed it to a revert of Offliner's content at the reverts noticeboard.) Also, I'd say the incivility in Sade's edit summaries at Kaitsepolitsei is probably an aggravating factor. PasswordUsername (talk)

--and I just found a sixth and seventh reverts: , . PasswordUsername (talk) 11:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it seems Sander Säde has broken 3RR. See the diffs I posted here. Offliner (talk) 14:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up–a swell thing on your part, Offliner. Hopefully it will catch someone's attention at ANI... Where is the grinding of those wheels of Wikijustice? ;-) PasswordUsername (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Offer of a deal

Hello PasswordUsername. I've made an offer to User talk:Sander Säde to excuse him from his apparent 3RR violation if he would voluntarily agree not to edit Kaitsepolitsei for one month, and only use the talk page. I said that I would make the same offer to you. If you agree to not edit the article directly for one month, and only use the talk page, you could be unblocked. (I might need to check with the blocking admin first). What do you think? EdJohnston (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I went over 3RR by one revert by pure accident, simply restoring sourced content and removing another user's insertion of WP:SYNTH and WP:SELFPUB. I have a pretty decent history of using Talk pages. Meanwhile, some editors have clearly abused the project. We now have teammates of a certain party adding edit summaries in Estonian...

I'm fine with the block - the world does work in its mysterious ways. Unblocking me would not be fair to our rules - and unacceptable since these are what is supposed to guide our project.

I'll take the block, since it is merited - I do appreciate your offer. PasswordUsername (talk) 17:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

So you're declining my offer? You are aware that future reverts by either you or SS may result in more sanctions. This does appear to be an unnecessary dispute, and you are both well-intentioned, but this seems to be your choice, so let it be as you wish. EdJohnston (talk) 18:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I have no intention of doing future edits to the article. But I'll take the block. PasswordUsername (talk) 18:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing restriction

You and Sander Säde will not be editing the Kaitsepolitsei article for a month. (You can still edit the talk page). That one-month period will end at 17:12 UTC, 7 July 2009. Since you did not request unblocking, your block will stay in place until it expires. Thanks to his agreement to the restriction, Sander Säde will remain unblocked. EdJohnston (talk) 01:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Stalky-stalk

Hello Frank, thanks for the advice! I know that it is not good to go on some pages and every time I do that I have a sore belly (^__^). Anyway, I'm on Misplaced Pages because I think that every little bit of human knowledge should be shared by the entire human race, exactly like everything else. But, I am not here to do politics. Thank you once again and have a great day. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Unrelated insults by an unrelated user

Thank you Frank once again for you support, but it is not necessary. They are young. Perhaps one day they will grow up and realize that they are wasting their time. Best regards. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Your stalking allegations

I have had Armenia on my watchlist for a long time ever since being engaged there in the "is Armenia European or not" discussion quite some time ago. I saw the article tagged. I added a reference. I added Pjoef's talk to my watchlist. What do I find when I peruse through but you on their talk page pointing to your side of some argument regarding accusations you first lodged there as some sort of proof, indicating Digwuren or I are stalking you, you don't really care who. I am tired of your accusations against me behind my back on user and admin pages.
   In the future, should you have any concerns regarding my conduct:
    (A) contact me, and/or,
    (B) file for administrative action.
I request you cease and desist from further innuendo and accusations. I trust I have made myself clear. PetersV       TALK 01:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

BLP

Where do you see a BLP violation in ? The sentence is based on his own statements from the interview, and it's not like it's some sort of radical minority party. In recent Europarliament elections, it got two seats of Estonia's six. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 13:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Southern Poverty Law Center a reliable organization?

Hi, thanks for the comment. I responded on noticed board (sorry for the delay). While I am not deeply familiar with SPLC, it seems that it is RS indeed. Have a good day, M.K. (talk) 08:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your backup on several Estonia/Russia related articles. I am now serving out a 6 month restriction on such articles and a 3 month block on BLP related to both countries.

I think certain users, especially Digwuren, are very good at gaming the system. Obviously, adopting the same tactics (as I did) is wrong but it does seem rather unfair that they have been able to get away with this behaviour for so long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shotlandiya (talk • contribs) 12:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User PasswordUsername and Crime in Estonia

Hello, PasswordUsername. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Sander Säde 08:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)