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Evidence presented by {Johnski}

This is my initial response to Davidpdx's allegations. I am not a part of an organizational push, only tried to take an interesting article and make it more interesting by showing more than one side to the story, and adding important U.S. governmental quotes and links, removing bias, toning down strong language, removing errors, etc. Made many good arguments for these changes, corrections, additions, all of which were ignored.

There may have been a few 3RR violations in the early stages out of not understanding the rules, but mostly tried to edit to improve the article instead of merely reverting.

Some of the links provided by Davidpdx are mis-characterized by false dating, but that could be a simple mistake on the part of Davidpdx.

Davidpdx has become more polite recently, but has been cruel in what he has written in the past.

Davidpdx has taken control over the DOM article, but has never contributed one edit to it other than adding "fraud" as a category.

His allegations herein have not shown any substance, only links expecting the arbitrators to figure out why mine and others articles were not better than the ones he and a few others insist on reverting to.

Even my last DOM edit which only corrected a mis-characterization of an article from the Washington Post where I changed "probably" to what the article really stated, "you get the feeling", they will not let stand. Davidpdx showed some interest in this change, but cowered to Gene Poole when he insisted to let it stand as "probably" which is what Poole claimed was what the article really meant even though it said, "you get the feeling".

I hope that the wisdom in my article I created about Wikilante will someday be accepted, as it wasn't intended as harassment, only a cry for help with Davidpdx's vigilante behavior. I also hoped it would help him to see what he was doing, and could be a useful wikiword to be used when vigilante behavior was found elsewhere by others. Although Davidpdx's behavior has impeded the progress of the DOM article, the main culprit, is Gene Poole. Although Poole has made some useful contributions to the related article, Poole seems to have no regard for the truth, is flippant, full of insults, and writes whatever suits his fancy. Sincerely, Johnski 09:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

First, please tell me how links I provided are "mis-characterized?" How can I be providing "false dates" when the Misplaced Pages server records the time and date stamp in terms of when the edit occurs, not me? The links were pulled directly off the history page of Dominion of Melchizedek article.

you wrote 5 to 7 Sept

but looking at the first link it is Sept 4th. As pointed out that could be a error on your part and I am not saying you did it on purpose.

Second, you have had a pattern of blaming one person in particular for what you deem "vigilante behavior." I will gladly provide the diffs to show where you claim for quite sometime that I was the only one giving you a hard time. Now, your claiming Gene Poole is the main culprit {ringleader, etc). So which is it? Make up your mind? The truth is, there are nine people who have constantly oppose the content of your edits, with good reason. We have stated those reasons as the same reason why we filed a request for arbitration. Stop claiming that only one person opposes your edits. There are many people that are on record who have reverted your edits over and over again.

Your behavior is vigilante, where I believe others may not go that far. Yes there are others that share your twisted view of me and my work, but Gene Poole, a bully, has more teeth in his bite, and he may have a few sock-puppets to boot. If you are innocent, why have you and Centauri (Gene's sock-puppet?) refused to disclose your IP addresses?

Third, as I have learned from looking up IP addresses, there are only three people that support the edits you are trying to make, not the 7 to 10 people you claim. I have obtained information from IP addresses which show where those individuals live. It is a lesser charge then the sockpuppet accusation, but nonetheless proves collaboration on your part to collude with others to make changes (including removing information) to cover up the fraud on the part of DOM. I have not yet provided the diffs to talk about the problems with the content, we will be doing that as more evidence is posted. The diffs I have posted show exactly when you and your co-conspirators {KAJ and SamuelSpade) edited based on the time stamp on the Misplaced Pages server.Davidpdx 11:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

That is only your opinion, not facts. I only have 1 IP address. I have no interest in removing any thing in the article that doesn't belong there, which means two sides of the story, not just the one you want to see. There is loads of stuff in my versions that include the negative parts. Let me see you disprove that. My only efforts have been to bring balance and improve an interesting article to make it more interesting and diverse for the viewing audience. You can see others besides myself and those you claim in concert with me, have recently expressed a desire to see more content. Sincerely, Johnski 05:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I've asked you nicely not to put comments inbetween mine. I'll ask you nicely one more time to change that. I believe it's impolite to do so and I believe I told you that before on the DOM page.

Second, you have removed several creditable sources that are negative in terms of DOM and not ever given any reason why you have removed them other then your usual rhetoric about what you called "fair and balanced." I'm sorry your idea of fair and balanced is about that of Fox News. I will be glad to provide you proof you have removed sources that have been a part of the article for sometime and not showed any ryme or reason for it. Would you like to show me exactly where you stated why you have removed sources? I'd be interested to see such a post on your part.

Furthermore, I'd also be more then happy to provide proof of your constant reverts against the consensus of others. As well as showing IP providers in terms of user names associated with pro-Dom reverts. Notice in my rebuttal I never said you had more then one IP address (which you incorrectly stated above), but that you and two other people are working in conjunction to whitewash the DOM page. Davidpdx 06:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Davidpdx, you are the one that is not polite writing in the section that is exclusively for me to write in, and you noticed I didn't write in your section. I'm sorry that you feel it is impolite the way I try to communicate with you. I have not always repeated my reasons each time I revert or edit, but briefly, I've removed stuff that is either a repeated link, or dublicated information, the same as in the other link, for example the scamdog link doesn't add anything new or different or is from a source that isn't credible. What credentials does the scamdog web site have to make it worthy of Misplaced Pages, or what does it add that is new or different to make the article more informative? However, it is you that should be proving stuff as you are the one that brought the arb case out of fear that I would do it first after I told you that would be my only solution if you didn't accept mediation. Sincerely, Johnski 07:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I am permitted (as I understand) to rebut what you say. In addition, I did ask you polite (but firm] manner to remove the comments. I could have said several other things. I will ask you again to remove the comments, otherwise I'll ask the arbitration committee to do it for you.

Second, In your initial rebuttal, you made several counter-claims that were false, which I will continue to set straight. This included a statement by you insinuating that the evidence I provide was "mis-characterized by false dating" as well as stating that I am the person causing all the problems. Yet it is you, SamuelSpade and KAJ that have exhibited behavior showing you thinkyour above the rules of Misplaced Pages.

Third, I have only started to post evidence. It is by far not all of the evidence, but about 1/3rd of what I will post. Mediation was not an option, therefore the next step was arbitration. I did file a case for mediation (I'd be happy to provide you with the link if you don't believe me) and was told it wasn't a good fit. If you look back at the arbitration filling, one of the mediators stated that I had indeed contacted them about this. It's just as simple as that. I also waited several days to see if things would calm down. The fact is, you, KAJ and SamuelSpade relented on reverting several pages, so much so, that they had to be protected. You can try to twist it anyway you want, but that's the truth. Davidpdx 09:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dear Davidpdx, you are not permitted to rebut what I say here in my area, which shows you do not read the rules. I am also not permitted to remove or move the comments already placed here. You don't have to ask the arbitration committee to do it for you because they will when they finally see it.

Second, My behavior hasn't shown anymore than yours that I think I'm above the rules of Misplaced Pages.

Third, Mediation would have been an option, if you pointed out that I requested it of you and therefore we both asked for it. It was Wikifacts and Gene Poole's little edit war that led to the protection of the DOM article. You can try to twist it anyway you want, but that's the truth. Sincerely, Johnski 06:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• ===Removal of Negative Information ===

Davidpdx wrote in the evidence section below: "Here are diffs showing first the version that has consensus and then his whitewashed version . But (Scamdog) is not the only site Johnski has removed, another one is called Quatloos! which is a non-profit financial & tax fraud education website. When he removes these links, he also removes the quotes that were in the article. This is again, essentially whitewashing the article of negative links and quotes in favor of the very waterdown misquotes he would rather use."

• This again shows that Davidpdx doesn't read the articles, or look at the links, as the link to quatloos is there right after the most damning statement about DOM and purportedly made by John Shockey, former employee of the US OCC. Davidpdx can not show one misquote from me. Sincerely, Johnski 20:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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Davidpdx complains to this arbitration panel that “Johnski also references an alert by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which is part of the US government, right after the Quatloos quote. He has framed the quote as follows: ‘However, the only official reference to Melchizedek by the U.S. Comptroller of the Currency refers to Melchizedek as a ‘non-recognized sovereignty’ that ‘licensed’ Caribbean Bank of Commerce.’”

What Davidpx fails to point out is that after Jdavidb showed that “however” wasn’t a good follow up to the statement from Shockey, I never used “however” again in this context. In my last attempt to substantially improve the article on November 13, 2005, I wrote, “The U.S. Comptroller of the Currency website is less vocal and only refers to Melchizedek as a 'non-recognized sovereignty' that 'licensed' Caribbean Bank of Commerce." In the external links this is called a “warning” from the US OCC as seen further below.

It seems fitting that if you are going to quote a former employee of the US OCC that you also quote from that employee’s boss from their official web site on the subject.

Davidpdx goes on to mis-characterize, “He (Johnski) tries to make this quote look like a form of diplomatic recognition by the US Government. While the document itself is referenced after the quote, his version fails to mention that the source is in fact a alert sent to banks regarding fradulent banks licensed by DOM. The full source document states: 'Information has been received that the subject entity holding a bank license issued by the Dominion of Melchizedek, a non-recognized sovereignty, has an unauthorized address in the United States. This entity, subject to Alert 98-14, dated April 21, 1998, subsequently had its Antigua license reinstated. However, the government of Antigua and Barbuda, through its supervisor of banks, has recently given notice that the subject entity's license will again be revoked.’"

While it may or may not be true that the alert is regarding “fraudulent” banks, the alert doesn’t call the banks “fraudulent” as Davidpdx falsely claims. While Davidpdx claims to have worked with me, he could have easily come up with a compromise language to address his concern, but only reverts the article to versions that he never authors.

Davidpdx continues, “After looking at the full quote, one can see this has nothing to do with recognition as Johnski is trying to make the quote appear. The US government does not recognize DOM, however over and over again in both his reverts and on the talk pages, Johnski tries to push the idea that this is a form of recognition. If anything, the reference proves DOM's questionable nature because of its relationship with banks that commit fradulent activites.”

This begs the question, if the US OCC website "proves" what Davidpdx claims, then why doesn’t he want to see the referenced quotes in the article?

I am not inserting anything of my opinion about recognition in the article, only quoting what the US OCC web site states. My opinions on the talk page are only opinions, but I have never indicated that the reference to DOM on the US OCC web site is any form of dejure or “diplomatic” recognition of DOM as Davidpdx falsely claims.

Also, the November 15 article referenced above does have a link in the external links to the Quatloos article here:

• Dominion of Melchizedek as a Scam - Collection of all negative articles and opinions about Melchizedek and its founders, quoting only the negative aspects, and the criminal activities of the banks it licensed.
• Warning from the Comptroller of the US Treasury Department.

Certainly my last version needs more work, but instead of merely reverting, Davidpdx and others should try to keep the stuff that belongs there, such as quotes from US government web sites, more details of DOM’s origin, etc. There are a growing number that see the need for this as evidenced on the DOM talk page.

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Davidpdx falsely claims that by bringing two quotes of the SEC case I am using selective sources. The opposite is the truth. Adding more evidence from the same source is being more inclusive. Davidpdx writes, under the heading Selective Use of Sources, "Under the heading of 10 November 2005 rewrite, Johnski again references a document which calls into question DOM's role in banks who are committing fradulent acts. However, the primary purpose of using this piece of information has nothing to do with the true content of the document, which is SEC Commission Release announcing a settlement in the case against World Financial & Investment Co., Inc. and Victor M. Wilson. The part of this release Johnski pushes is references is the fact that the SEC used, 'The Dominion of Melchizidek has a website promoting itself as a sovereign entity, recognized by certain governments.' Again, trying to imply that the US is giving recognition to DOM as well as leaving out the fact that the documents he is referencing have to do with fraudlent banks licensed by the organization he's trying to push.".

My last attempt on November 13 , to balance the two statements from the US SEC was as follows: "When brining a lawsuit against a New York lawyer, the Dominion of Melchizedek was described as 'non-existent' by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. . When the SEC concluded that case, it wrote that the 'Dominion of Melchizidek has a website promoting itself as a sovereign entity, recognized by certain governments.'"

The "non-existent" statement by the US SEC was never removed by me, only balanced by the fact that the SEC ended with a different statement than it started with. In this case, it is Davidpdx that wants an unbalanced, selective account of the facts. Again, if Davidpdx was really interested in reaching consensus, he could have easily added something to point out that the New York lawyer was purportedly using a DOM bank but the reader has two links to learn the whole story. My intention isn't to push anything here, just give a more complete picture. I didn't write what the SEC wrote, am not claiming that it is any form of recognition, only think that it needs to be quoted to make the article fair and balanced. Johnski 19:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)"> ">

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Evidence presented by Davidpdx

Harrassment by Johnski

27 Oct

User:Johnski creating an article on Misplaced Pages called Wikilante to criticize those he disagrees with. The article itself was tagged Speedy Deletion, then recreated and deleted and protected so that he could not recreate it. User:Sjakkalle stated in the edit summary of the page, (that the article was) "Recreated after speedy deletion, created by a disgruntled user.”

"A Wikilante is a rogue member of the Wikipedian community that takes matters into his/her own hands by blocking honest attempts to improve an article. The word Wikilante was inspired by the meaning of Vigilante. It was developed as a result of wikilante behavior on certain controversial articles published on Misplaced Pages. It is not to be confused with those dedicated Wikipedians that vigilantly revert vandalism, and attempt to block disruptive behavior." Davidpdx 04:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Organizational effort to POV push

We believe that the edits with regard to the pages mentioned are part of an organizational push by members of DOM. The IP addresses are located within the confines of California, Australia and New York. Here is a timeline which will show a planned effort on the part of those mentioned to alter DOM articles to push their agenda.

The reverting on the part of those named goes back even further then what I'm going to show. On the talk page, a few other editors posted comments about ongoing vandalism as far back as July and August of this year. Therefore, it's unclear exactly how long this has been going on.

5 to 7 Sept

User:Johnski under the IP address User:67.124.49.20 (note this was before he officially signed up for a user name) made the following edits , , , , , , ,

8 to 11 Sept

User:208.57.91.27 made the following edits , , , ,

12 Sept

User:Johnski under the IP address User:67.124.49.20 (note this was before he officially signed up for a user name) made the following edits , , , ,

21 to 25 Sept

User:Samspade also known as User:SamuelSpade, User:208.57.91.27 and User:Rriter made the following edits , , , , , , , , , ,

28 Sept to 3 Oct

User:Johnski made the following edits under both his name and IP User:67.124.49.20 , , , , , , , , , , , ,

14 to 19 Oct

User:Johnski made the following edits , , , , ,

14 to 20 Oct

User:207.47.122.10 and User:KAJ (new user) made the following edits , , , , , , , ,

26 to 27 Oct

User:Wiki-Facts (new user) made the following edits , , , , , , , , , ,

(Note: I think this may be Wiki-Facts IP Address since he was making the same edits that happened under that user name and on the same day. The two IP addresses used that day to revert the article are: User:202.162.66.238 and User:202.162.64.50. He may have made the edits while he was logged out of Misplaced Pages and was unaware of it.)

, , , , (again under the IP address, but it is Wiki-Facts ID), , (again under the IP address, but it is Wiki-Facts ID), , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , (also under IP address)

Note: After these two days, Wiki-Facts has never been heard from again.

26 to 27 Oct

User:Johnski made the following edits , ,

10 Nov

User:KAJ made the following edits , ,

13 to 16 Nov

User:Johnski made the following edits , , , ,

Davidpdx 06:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

3RR Violations

6 September

User:67.124.49.20(again as I stated, this is User:Johnski}, , , , , ,

12 September

User:67.124.49.20(again as I stated, this is User:Johnski} , , , ,

29 September

User:Johnski , , , , , ,

26 to 27 Oct

User:Wiki-Facts As stated above he edited the DOM article 31 times in one day and reverted the page 10 times in one day.

I won't repost the links, because it's going to be too long. You can see the same date in the section above though.

Davidpdx 07:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Inability to show good faith and discuss before reverting

My experience with his underhanded tactics goes back to when I first had a discussion with Johnski regarding the page. Johnski constantly reverted the page, even when it was being discussed on the talk page. He will claim that I refused to ever work with him, which is not true. Simply put, he did exactly what he wanted instead of discussing it with others on the talk page. The first point where I started to talk to him about the DOM page was after I had been reverting his edits for a few weeks. He signed up for a user name and we began to discuss things on the talk pages.

He reverted the article both before and after he posted this section on the talk page on September, 30th at 00:01, which was titled "Compromise Language."

Yet the question I'm posing is: Did he show good faith? Here is an edit made on September 29, at 21:16, just less then three hours before he posted the "Compromise Language" section on the talk page. This was reverted by User:Centauri three hours later. .

On the talk page I posted the following note to Johnski:

"At this point, the page needs to be reverted to the previous version until either A) More people can be convinced that what you are saying is true or B) A compromise can be forged. If there neither can be reached, then the page needs to stay as is under Misplaced Pages rules. Davidpdx 9/30/05 4:16 (UTC)"

However, Johnski continued to persist and reverted the article the next day 9/30/05 at 13:13, putting in the edit summary, "Toned down and pointed to 1950s as date in respected "Context magazine article"".

Johnski then states in an edit summary of one of his reverts, "please detail which parts you consider misleading, nonesense and vandalism in a detailed report on the talk page." This honestly seems backwards to me. He is essentially claiming that his version has consensus and others need to consult him before reverting.

Between 9/30/05 and 10/3/05, Johnski reverted the page a total of six times. On 10/3/05 I posted yet another message on the talk page asking him to stop reverting the article:

"Please stop reverting this article until there is a consensus or compromise langauge that has been agreed to. The version posted by 03:54, 3 October 2005 El C is the version that should remain until further notice. Doing otherwise in insistance of compromise that does not exsist severely damages your creditablity. It also could hamper any possiblity of others to work with you to come to a meaningful agreement. Davidpdx 10/3/05 9:04 (UTC)

At that point there were 11 days in which the article was not reverted. Someone edited the article, the person did not have an username. The article should have been reverted back to the last clean version. Instead, Johnski posted his "alternative version" , which was reverted by me the next day.

By then I had given up, as he was not willing to show good faith in the discussion on the page and instead kept revering. This is an exchange which took place on the talk page in which he insists either it's his way or an edit war.

Breach of Good Faith

In terms of a compromise, there has been nothing agreed upon. Yet Johnski and Samspade continue to revert this page (and others) to reflect a minority opinion. In short, this is POV pushing and also a breach of good faith on negociating. The fact is that neither Johnski or Samspade are willing to provide the proof they say exsists to confirm the facts that they are claiming.

The compromise section was a waste of time. I'm no longer willing to find a compromise with those who wish to POV push and not follow the rules of Misplaced Pages. Therefore, because no compromise was made the page should remain as is. Davidpdx 06:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

David, I used a good faith opportuntity to revert after vandalism. I fear that the entire subject may be too much to work on at one time, so I'll give you point by point challenges, the first being, please cite me a credible source that states a "direct link to large scale banking fraud." Or let the person that wrote it cite it, if you can't find it, and give it here.Johnski 07:30, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I stand by my decision to hault a compromise discussion. The article that was reverted after the vandalism was the "alternative article" that you were proposing in the talk page, which had no consensus. This in itself shows a lack of good faith. Davidpdx 07:48, 15 October 2005 (U

So you'd rather see a reversion war than deal with a compromise? Cordially,Johnski 08:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Johnski also claims in the same conversation that there are 7 people which support his version. "I counted at least 7 different IP addresses and User names that showed tendency towards the versions that I worked on," Johnski said. The truth is, many of those IP addresses are from the same area or the reverts happened about the same time as a user name with the same or an IP that was very close to the same range. As I have shown in the other section, there are only 3 people which are pushing the same version as Johnksi, not 7 as he contends.

Johnski, in his rebuttle, has again tried to perpetrate the lie that I was not willing to work with him. As I have shown, even when I was talking to him, he reverted the article. He refuses to follow the rules, even when I was discussing it on the talk page. I have asked him time and time again, to explain why no one will work with him. It is because he has burnt bridges with other editors, including myself due to the fact he reverted the article even while a compromise was being attempted. Certainly, most would agree, if someone you work with burns you, you wouldn't want to work with them again. This is exactly why no one will listen to him anymore.

The other factor is Johnski uses circular arguments over and over again on the talk page, often not providing sources that prove his statements about DOM. Many editors have gotten sick of reading his rants on the talk page and reverting his pro-DOM versions. Davidpdx 16:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Removal of Negative Information

Johnski has a pattern of removing links that he deems are negative toward DOM. One such link is to Scamdog, which he claims is repetitive and has no useful information. Yet Scamdog does provide useful background information regarding some of the scams that are connected with the DOM. Here are diffs showing first the version that has consensus and then his whitewashed version .

But this is not the only site Johnski has altered, another one is called Quatloos! which is a non-profit financial & tax fraud education website. While he left the quote in with the appliciable reference, he removed the name of the website from the article as well as link from the external links section of the article. Davidpdx 21:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Selective Use of Sources

In his version, Johnski also references an alert by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which is part of the US government, right after the Quatloos quote. He has framed the quote as follows:

"However, the only offical reference to Melchizedek by the U.S. Comptroller of the Currency refers to Melchizedek as a "non-recognized sovereignty" that "licensed" Caribbean Bank of Commerce."

He tries to make this quote look like a form of diplomatic recognition by the US Government. While the document itself is referenced after the quote, his version fails to mention that the source is in fact a alert sent to banks regarding fradulent banks licensed by DOM. The full source document states:

"Information has been received that the subject entity holding a bank license issued by the Dominion of Melchizedek, a non-recognized sovereignty, has an unauthorized address in the United States. This entity, subject to Alert 98-14, dated April 21, 1998, subsequently had its Antigua license reinstated. However, the government of Antigua and Barbuda, through its supervisor of banks, has recently given notice that the subject entity's license will again be revoked."

After looking at the full quote, one can see this has nothing to do with recognition as Johnski is trying to make the quote appear. The US government does not recognize DOM, however over and over again in both his reverts and on the talk pages, Johnski tries to push the idea that this is a form of recognition. If anything, the reference proves DOM's questionable nature because of its relationship with banks that commit fradulent activites.

Under the heading of 10 November 2005 rewrite, Johnski again references a document which calls into question DOM's role in banks who are committing fradulent acts. However, the primary purpose of using this piece of information has nothing to do with the true content of the document, which is SEC Commission Release announcing a settlement in the case against World Financial & Investment Co., Inc. and Victor M. Wilson. The part of this release Johnski pushes is references is the fact that the SEC used, "The Dominion of Melchizidek has a website promoting itself as a sovereign entity, recognized by certain governments." Again, trying to imply that the US is giving recognition to DOM as well as leaving out the fact that the documents he is referencing have to do with fraudlent banks licensed by the organization he's trying to push. Davidpdx 15:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)