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Another notice-posting AWB task

For all the pages listed at User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox15...

Please append the following:

Please set AWB not to skip non-existing pages. (That is, post to empty pages too).

Thank you.

Good luck.

The Transhumanist 00:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Seems that a lot of these WikiProjects either don't exist or have a different name. You have created a lot of inappropriate pages, e.g. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject the United States and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject the Cayman Islands. Would you be willing to clean this up? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, regarding this, I was following instructions given to me by another user. I'm not sure about removing the "inappropriate pages" as I don't know what this user, The Transhumanist wants to do with the pages, which is why I have left a message at his talk page, and will be pointing him to this discussion. Hope this helps, The Helpful One 09:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't catch those on the list. Sorry. You can speedy delete them (they're typos). The Transhumanist 21:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Transhumanist, please create a list of those talk pages of non-existant WikiProjects so that they can be deleted in one batch. Amalthea 22:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Any progress with this? I see one of the above has disappeared. What about the others? Cheers, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, yes, this has now been done, please see User_talk:Thehelpfulone#Speedy_delete_request. Thanks, The Helpful One 17:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy delete request

Please delete these typo titles:

The Transhumanist 04:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot issue

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Outlines at Wikicup?

Mr Helpful,

I've been asking lots of mentors over at WP:ADOPT for advice, and User:Garden replied with this one: "include some kind of reward at next year's WikiCup"

You're in Wikicup, right?

How would we go about what Garden has suggested?

(I've also asked Juliancolton, because I think he's in wikicup too).

The Transhumanist 03:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

NoMultiLicense message delivery

Thanks for doing the delivery! However, I noticed you delivered to user talk page subpages in some cases instead of to the actual user talk pages. Will you clean that up, moving the messages to the user talk pages where they're more likely to see them? Thanks. Anomie ⚔ 20:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Request: here's the other half of the speedy deletes

Here's the rest that need to be speedied (title typos):

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 03:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops - move request

Someone pointed out that "Category:Articles belonging to WikiProject Outline of knowledge" smacked of ownership.

Ouch.

At least they didn't slap any of us with a trout. (Please don't get any ideas). :)

Please move:

Category:Articles belonging to WikiProject Outline of knowledge

To:

Category:WikiProject Outline of knowledge articles

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 20:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Very funny!

If you really want to play a joke on someone, finish NuclearWarfare's task before he even reads it. :)

The Transhumanist 22:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009 DC meetup notice...?

I received an invitation to this on my talk page, apparently from a bot of yours, but I have indicated in the past that I do not wish to receive these invitations. Is there a way to prevent them from appearing there? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 18:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Oops - move request

Hi there,

It seems that changing the template did the trick for this? Do you have any other plans for any other category renames, because I put through a bot task approval request to do the task - I've been approved for 30 trial edits, but now there's nothing to edit!

The Helpful One 18:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

AWB Task - Category adding task

Category renames, no, but adding categories, yes. But this is a more involved task than you are used to. It's quite a project in its own right...

First, you need to use AWB to make a list from Template:CompactTOC with "What links here", and then save that list to a file and then cut/paste the contents of that file to a sandbox and then edit the list to linkify the entries. Or make a list directly from Template:CompactTOC's "What links here" special page by copying/pasting it to a sandbox and using WP:WikEd's search/replace feature to convert it to links.

Article space links only.

Once you have a list of links. Look it over. They're all alphabetical indexes, but the list is too broad to place them all in Category:Indexes, so you'll need to create subcategories. There are Indexes of people (biographical indexes) in there, and Indexes by region (geographical indexes), and other types. It is best to title the categories as "Indexes of" because then all these categories will turn up together in the "All pages with prefix" special page index.

To split your list of links into lists of specific kinds of indexes, one approach would be to copy the list to another sandbox, then choose a type, and then delete all the links that are not of that type from the list. Then repeat this step (with a new sandbox) for each type of index you've discovered.

But before you do all that splitting, you should choose your index types first, and start a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Index to get others' opinions. Send a message to each person on our team requesting that they meet you for discussion there (including me).

Once you have split your list into subcategory lists, then you can use each list in AWB to add the appropriate category to the articles listed, using your bot.

If you have any trouble with this task, make a post at WT:WPINDEX and invite your problem solvers to meet you there.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Be patient.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 19:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Once you are done with this task, you can repeat the process for just the alphabetical article index templates listed at Category:TOC templates. :) Hint: you can combine all their "What links heres" into one list first.

P.P.S.: I've invited four technical users to comment on this task. (So don't be surprised if people start showing up with advice). :)

Transhumanist asked me to offer my input, but unfortunately, I don't think I can add much to what's been already said. However, I would point to the HotCat gadget (that can enabled using Special:Preferences) as a tool that could be used in place of a bot for speedily adjusting the categories on a page. AGK 13:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

See Portal:Beer/Selected article and others

You were doing this: BOT: Adding Category:Beer Portal to page using AWB -- now the articles contain </noinclude> strings, please fix. Thanks. feydey (talk) 19:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

D.C. Meet up notice issue?

Hi! I got a notice on my talk page notifying me of this Wiki meet up because my "user page indicates that live in Maryland, Virginia, or DC.)" I have always lived in Texas, which is what my user page indicates! I thought you should know about this error. :)

Thanks and good luck, --Naha| 20:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Good news and bad news - 06/08/2009

The big push continues.

And it seems to be working!

The good news is that there's growing support for outlines, and there are more editors than ever editing them!

The bad news is that the complainers are disproportionately represented on the project's various talk pages. While many editors work diligently on the front end, a handful of complainers are trying to tear down the project behind the scenes. Fortunately, barely enough supporters have been watching those pages that no consensus for moving or merging the outlines has succeeded. So far...

Big problem: ignorance of what outlines are for and their benefits

Most of the opposition seems to be unaware of the complete range of what outlines are used for. They just don't get it.

This is why it is important to complete the outline article draft. An article with a comprehensive treatment of outlines would be the perfect place to refer anybody unfamiliar with outlines to.

Opposers also don't seem to understand how outlines differ from some other page type that they prefer. Some think articles are good enough as an overview, others think portals are more in-depth, still others think categories or navigation boxes are the most efficient and useful way to organize and present topical information. Some have simply never seen an "Outline of" page before and think they are a new type of page (they've been around under other names since 2001).

If you run across anyone who doesn't understand the role of outlines on Misplaced Pages, Misplaced Pages:Why do we have outlines in addition to...? might help reduce their misconceptions or uncertainties about outlines.

On the bright side, you've got to see this...

To add the outlines and related support pages to your watchlist (takes less than 30 seconds), cut and paste them from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist. For a way to improve the display of your watchlist - by namespace (very useful) - see Watchlist sorter, or use the "super fast upgrade" at WP:OTS.

Or go to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes (currently without the talk pages) and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu on the sidebar on the left side of your screen.

The big push

The big push started with about a thousand banners and notices being placed on article talk pages all over Misplaced Pages.

But it didn't stop there...

Welcome our new members...

The following Wikipedians have joined the OOK team.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and introduce yourselves.

Tarheel95 - going after the Main Page.
Vivio Testarossa / Feinoha - here to help.
Burningview - made a splash at MfD with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of British Columbia (see the talk page for the MfD link - lots of support there).

Enter the mentors!

I asked a bunch of mentors at WP:ADOPT for advice. Several of them answered on my talk page. Most of those who replied were happy to help, and posted some very good ideas. A couple even joined the project.

Here are their ideas, and what is being done about them. A few of the tasks still need volunteers:

Strdst grl: Create and place project banners - already Done
Strdst grl & The Earwig: put an animated ad for the project in WP:BANNER - Our graphics specialist Penubag is looking into it.
Strdst grl: Create a userbox for the project - assigned to Penubag.
Garden: Ask to have outlines added to next year's WikiCup competition - Done (proposal posted)
Tarheel95: Add a link to Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge to the Main Page - Tarheel95 is taking on the creation of the proposal
SriMesh: Create an outreach subpage to WPOOK - Done (invitation coming soon, see below)
SriMesh: (Create a newsletter archive subpage) - Done
SriMesh: Add a feed to AlexNewArtBot to gather links to new outlines and post them on a page. Then personally invite new creators to the project. - who wants to tackle the feed?
SriMesh: Assign someone to monitor the outlines via watchlist, and invite new outline editors to the project - any volunteers?
Related: Create an invitation - Penubag is working on it.
SriMesh: Create Template:Expand outline similar to Template:Expand list, which adds each outline it is posted on to Category:Incomplete outlines, where editors (who are browsing the categories) can find them and work on them - to be assigned
SriMesh: Add the above template to incomplete outlines - upcoming AWB task
The Earwig: "Tell your wikifriends about it" - I've told mine, have you told yours?
The Earwig: "Collaborate with other WikiProjects" - we've been doing this from the start (each outline is associated with at least one other WikiProject).
: move the projected outline to a subpage of WP:WPOOK - Done

Linking to outlines has begun

To the tops of about 30 subject articles, I placed a test batch of hatnotes leading to the corresponding outlines. The hatnotes look like this:

For a topical guide to this subject, see Outline of X.(Hidden: <!- PLEASE LEAVE THIS LINE IN PLACE because it leads to the page that serves as the table of contents for Misplaced Pages's overall coverage of this subject. Thank you.-->

The rationale for the hatnotes is that each outline is a topical guide for its subject, and since tables of contents go at the front of a book, a link to each outline should be placed at the front of its subject.

Unfortunately, not all editors agree. Some of the hatnotes have already disappeared. :(

Some past discussions pertaining to the existence or location of outlines

Note that the "Lists of topics" are of two types, including outlines and indexes, so discussions to remove, move, or merge those are usually relevant to the OOK. Also, outlines are a type of list, so discussions that affect lists in general also pertain to outlines. We've got to be on our toes!

I've excluded links to live discussions, out of respect for WP:CANVASS.

Table of contents to OOK-related stuff

Here's a directory of outline support pages:

Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 03:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

WPOOK advert banner under development, here's the beta...

Penubag needs feedback.

I've posted a few changes for him to make to it.

Please post additional comments and suggestions for him at User talk:Penubag#Chocolate banner.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 02:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup proposal

Thehelpfulone,

I posted a proposal to add outlines to next year's WikiCup, and nobody there seems to understand outlines.

Help.

The Transhumanist 04:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline collaboration!

As you know, Penubag is working on a banner to advertise the Outline WikiProject. And he's almost done.

The banner prominently presents the "Outline of chocolate", which of course will become the most widely advertised outline as soon as the banner goes live. The first thing many editors will do after seeing the banner is look for that outline.

The problem is, we don't have one.

So that's our first outline collaboration!

I started a draft this morning.

It needs to be finished and moved to the article namespace before we can start using Penubag's banner ad!

Come join in on the fun. It's chocolate!

The Transhumanist 21:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Regex gadget

They've added a gadget tab in "my preferences", and there's a regex menu you can activate.

Let me know if it's any good. )

(several minute delay...)

Wow.

But the documentation is confusing. If you install it via "my preferences", don't install it again via the instructions in the documentation! It will double up the menu on the sidebar. It's double on mine, and I can't get rid of the copy. :(

The menu shows up when you are in edit mode, but it will not work if you are in WikEd.

Just click on "Custom regex" and an input form will appear above your edit window. I didn't notice the damn thing right away, because you have to scroll up to see it!

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)