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Blacklist.Tv Logo?

I believe the logo for Blacklist.tv is an ambigram: Should it be added to the list of ambigrams?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.217.9.178 (talk) 17:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

There are millions of ambigrams and probably thousands of logo ambigrams, so the question is why is this worth mentioning? Particularly popular? A particularly good example? Three strikes against it: 1) Blacklist is a b2b company and it'll never be known very widely as a result, 2) The ambigram is in a common blackletter style, and 3) The ambigram doesn't appear to be used anywhere but the site's splash screen, not the site itself. I would vote No. RoyLeban (talk) 21:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the information and I will make sure that an ambigram lives up to the standards you mentioned before suggesting it here. Thanks for your time and a very well-written response.  :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.217.9.178 (talk) 10:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletions

Large sections of this article were deleted by DreamGuy on July 10th under a COI pretense. While individual portions of the edit may have been justified, the overall edit had the effect of seriously degrading the quality of the article. Historically, DreamGuy has tended to contribute little quality content to this article, and had tended to delete quite a bit of other people's quality content (see history). Even if his COI claim were correct (and it has not been adequately shown that it is), the goal of Misplaced Pages is to create and maintain an on-line encyclopedia, not destroy it.

The overarching mission goal supercedes individual editing rules, including COI (see ). The 7/10/2009 deletion has been reverted. Tech Lovr (talk) 19:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the COI tag is there to indicate that the article may need extra clean up because of the COI. COi is not the reason for the deletion of the material - unsourced, original research, trivia, etc. is.

I should also note that your contribution history is very suspect, as you have next to no edits other than related to this topic and some trivial edits elsewhere. As your primary purpose to being here has been to support Roy Leban, I think we can chalk your edits up to meatpuppetry, at best.

Quite frequently the main way to maintain an online encyclopedia (as compared to a fanlisting/blog/place for free advertisement that many people seem to want to use the site as) is deleting things that do not belong. To call that "destroying it" is completely absurd. As you do not seem to be editing with Misplaced Pages policies in mind (the sole justification you provide for our view is "ignore all rules," the last refuge of scoundrels here), you should not be surprised to find yourself reverted... and often, if you continue to make edits that do nothing but ignore our rules. DreamGuy (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Interestingly, User:Tech Lovr apparently edited this page while signed out and then deleted it. From the anon IP's edit history, and no doubt from Tech Lovr's, you'll notice an attempt to add promotional content for the "Flipscript" website -- a website that RoyLeban has earlier admitted being a big fan of and friends with the owner. I rest my case on the COI and meatpuppetry problems. DreamGuy (talk) 22:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I am currently on vacation so I do not have time to deal with this crap. It looks like some people just like deleting content. For example, saying a scanned image from a published book is unsourced is an example of ridiculous editing. We are also revisiting things that have been discussed. You can't tell this because DreamGuy -- against Misplaced Pages policy -- removed almost all the content from the Talk page. This is very inappropriate. With the exception of automatic archiving, which the page has, you are not supposed to remove talk content written by others. If an admin finds out you did this, you will probably get banned.

DreamGuy can make up whatever he wants, but that doesn't make it true. I don't know who Tech Lovr is. I don't know who the anonymous IP is. I am not a "big fan" of FlipScript, nor am I friends with the owner(s). I have stated that I have exchanged email with one of the owners, who contacted me solely because of my editing on Misplaced Pages In fact, he contacted me because I removed a mention of FlipScript. Yes, I know Doug Hofstadter, Scott Kim, and others. Yes, I know most of the prominent ambigramists. That does not make any edit I make COI. Rather it makes me a subject-matter expert. As a matter of fact, I have also been an ambigramist for about 30 years and I also independently invented ambigrams, but I have not made any mention of that fact. Although I am prominent in other fields (software, puzzles), I am not prominent in ambigrams. Unlike Kim, Langdon, Petrick, Hofstadter, and Polster I have not done anything to promote or advance the field. And, unlike Mishra and some others, my output is relatively small. There was one proposed addition to the page (a quote from Hofstadter concerning the origin of the name ambigram) which does include my name. I think this is interesting, but I will not add the quote and delete my own name, nor will I add the quote including my own name. It's up to others to decide if it is relevant.

Just because a bunch of unrelated people all disagree with you does not make them meatpuppets. There is no concerted effort. We all disagree with you because you're wrong. I do not appreciate these attacks and I am sure nobody else does.

If it hasn't been done by the time I return from vacation, I'll spend some time restoring this article and the talk page. I have better things to do, so it might be nice if unknowledgable people wouldn't destroy articles. How about spending your time adding to Misplaced Pages instead of removing things? RoyLeban (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Finding a consensus is not a head count. Keep because I Like It means little against remove because It Directly Violates This Rule. It also doesn't mean much against a reasoned decision based on guidelines. Duffbeerforme (talk) 11:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"puzzle2/the end" image is inverted

As noted on the image's own talk page, I believe the "puzzle2/the end" image is only used by this article. It should have the author's intended first reading, so that the reader can follow the explanation in this article properly. As is, the reading presented to the reader is the second "hidden message" reading.--Rfsmit (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Consensus

Hi Roy, I have made multiple changes. I would like to call for consensus before any of the changes I have made are reverted. Duffbeerforme (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)