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Dilip rajeev

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Dilip rajeev

User requesting enforcement:
Ohconfucius (talk) 02:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Dilip rajeev (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:

• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Article_probation: "Falun Gong and all closely related articles are placed on article probation. It is expected that the articles will be improved to conform with Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view, and that information contained in them will be supported by verifiable information from reliable sources. The articles may be reviewed on the motion of any arbitrator, or upon acceptance by the Arbitration Committee of a motion made by any user. Users whose editing is disruptive may be banned or their editing restricted as the result of a review. Passed 7 to 1 at 06:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)"
• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Point_of_view_editing
• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground
• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:
Dilip rajeev (talk · contribs) has been editing Falun Gong articles (almost exclusively) since February 2006. He has a habit of disappearing (i.e. not editing in article space or talk space) for weeks on end. When he returns, he frequently reverts to the last version he feels comfortable with irrespective of the individual merits of each of the changes because the changes which took place were not to his liking. Such reverts are usually done without due reference to the discussions which have taken place during his absence. Some diffs immediately below, show this modus operandi

• this one single edit, made following an absence of 12 days, undid 36 intermediate edits made by others during this time.

His habit of making radical reverts is a matter of historical record. Some examples of this tendency are below:

• This is his first intervention as Diip rajeev since the blocking of Inactive user account. He reverted 43 edits made by others while he was away for 26 days' absence.

• reverted 44 edits by others in one fell swoop after 7 days' absence

For myself and a number of neutral editors who have joined the Falun Gong wikiproject, Dilip's latest reverts to the 'Self Immolation' and 'Organ harvesting' articles have become the last straw in our tolerance of his disruptive behaviour.

NPOV at Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident

The following is a brief history of the significant edits which took place after the article was declared a Good Article through collaborative work by me and User:asdfg12345. The radical changes put through by Dilip rajeev to a good article were all done within a period of about a week, without prior substantive discussion to speak of:

• This exchange shows clearly how Dilip rajeev railroaded changes against all other opinions, including that of asdfg. The information about the victims deleted was just one of many very overtly biased changes made to the article. That information was sourced from Xinhua in much the same way as Dilip rajeev's stuff sourced from Faluninfo, and has every right to exist in the article. To omit it introduces undue bias. Furthermore, of the material which I "blanked", there was considerable repetition. We only need grouped representative opinions, and there is no rhyme or reason why we need to collect each and everybody's opinion. Below, I have a collection of the significant diffs where the unacceptable bias has been introduced, comments and objections, as well as his accusing EgraS and me of engaging of sockpuppetry:

• this demonstration of bad faith
• another demonstration of bad faith
• this series of edits introduces very obvious pro-FG bias.
• gratuitous accusation of 'vandalism'
• citing his favourite FG-aligned journalist
• removal of text 'Later reports' without summary
• added one partisan text and cherry-picked another
• deliberate introduction of weasel words without changing attribution/refs
• this series of edits introduces very obvious pro-FG bias.
• revert of Egra's edit "EgraS / Oconfucious. Stop vandlaizing the pages. You cannot accusse material from reporters such as Ian Johnson of being "biased" and stop misusing the NPOV tag. " (note: Ohconfucius' last edit dates to 6 August 2008)

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

1. Dilip rajeev block log
2. Inactive user account 001 block log

• He was given this final warning on 16 May 2009.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
He is a habitual disruptive editor whose aggressive and partisan edits have been the subject of numerous comments and complaints from other users, including fellow practitioner User:asdfg12345. Dilip rajeev has been warned repeatedly against edit-warring, and has been blocked a number of times - the last time was a 3 month topic ban; prior to that was a block of 55 hours. I believe that, in view of his continued disruption since the topic ban and the total lack of any mitigating collaborative successes, an indefinite ban from Misplaced Pages editing Falun Gong-related articles or their talk pages. would be in order; he should also be banned from any edit which potentially touches on Falun Gong on the Communist Party of China, Jiang Zemin, Cult suicide, Censorship in the People's Republic of China etc.

A ban on editing Sathya Sai Baba articles should also be considered to minimise Dilip rajeev's disruption to the project overall. As Dilip rajeev appears to possess some less than prudent tendencies, such a move may also safeguard his personal safety and that of his family against the wrath of Baba supporters.

Additional comments by Ohconfucius (talk):

Background

There is a protracted, large-scale propaganda war between the spiritual movement and the Chinese regime. The polariation makes it much, much harder to deal with, as there are activists on both sides. Both sides use exaggerated 'evidence', borrowed 'experts', sensationalist claims and other forms of propaganda to attack each other. "NPOV" becomes very delicate - as both sides clearly have an agenda against the other, there will be routine disruptions from both sides. No revision of articles is ever stable.

The propaganda war manifested itself on Misplaced Pages in 2006, with anti-Falun Gong activists and pro-Falun Gong practitioners constantly opposing each other and engaging in disruptive editing. To my knowledge, after arbitration, all of the anti-FLG editors (Sam Luo, Tomanada, etc.) were banished. As a result, since June 2007 and until mediation in July 2009, the Falun Gong family of articles have become unmistakably dominated by pro-Falun Gong activists. These articles all suffer from serious POV issues heavily biased in favour of Falun Gong, and are used as direct advocacy for the Falun Gong movement; users from all backgrounds (including those who are anti-Chinese gov't) have raised concerns - but all have been either discouraged by the drama, or their attempts at other means of dispute resolution have failed.

Conflict of Interest

Dilip rajeev is a Falun Gong practitioner, and edits Falun Gong articles almost exclusively since 2006 along with a team of 3 other very easily identifiable FLG activist editors - asdfg12345 (talk · contribs), Olaf Stephanos (talk · contribs), and HappyInGeneral (talk · contribs). After the ban of Anti-FLG users Sam Luo and Tomanada, this group of Falun Gong practitioners have seemingly taken over all Falun Gong-related articles. All four users, to varying degrees, erase critical content, engage in lengthy advocacy commentary on talk pages, tag-team against other editors. Rajeev in particular shows very little respect for any users who wish to bring balance to articles, by sundry disruptive tactics and tendentious editing. These 1

• 2 attempts (amongst others) by fellow activist asdfg to rein him in have never had much effect.

In my experience, Rajeev has shown great animosity when non-FG devotees edit this article. There has been a long history of unchecked edit warring, even over the placement of {{NPOV}} tags. Such tags are routinely removed (as here) with not so much as a 'how do you do', as if the contents suddenly become neutral when the tag disappears. Reverts are usually very provocatively done - blind and wholescale, often destroying many intervening edits which have accurate and well-reasoned edit summaries - and any ensuing discussion makes clear that the user is always 'right' and anyone who opposes him 'wrong'. Anything which is sourced from sources he approves of have a right to stay and any sources he disapproves of are "CCP propaganda" or somesuch. Dilip rajeev's tendency to introduce ironic quotes (like here) and weasel words are already mentioned above. Not only is he completely and blindly partisan, Dilip rajeev often expresses points of view which are unique; his style and content introduced have been frowned upon from time to time by most others, and also by asdfg.

In all Falun Gong articles, misrepresentation of sources has been endemic, and these four abovenamed editors are known to back up each other's problematic edits. They occasionally concede when it is clearly demonstrated that misrepresentations exist. However, more often than not, the neutralising revision provokes another flurry of introducing "highly sourced material" ostensibly to 'restore balance', but which usually tilt bias back in favour of Falun Gong; some such introductions give their cause the last word. Adding, removing, restructuring, moving, or otherwise changing any material that appears to upset the pro-FG bias in any of the articles is met with the same tactics.

Dilip rajeev's stated view that nothing from the Chinese authorities is worthy of citing because it is unreliable propaganda demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of what is WP:NPOV. He is known to endlessly pontificate on moral questions, and lawyer around citing paragraphs of WP:RS and WP:NPOV to support whatever position he favours in regards to a certain link or source. He maintains a website which he uses as Falun Gong advocacy. It seems that he passionately believes the persecution of Falun gong practitioners at the hands of the Chinese authorities, and is unable to put these views to one side when he is editing; and when he edits, it is with such great fervour and aggression that leaves little or no place for others who wish to contribute.

• pontification of 'Persecution of Falun Gong practitioners.
• Here, he uses moralistic arguments in an apparent defense of denying platform for the "lot of mis-information and lies on Falun Gong" spread by the CCP
• again here
• In this edit, he apparently argues "highly sourced" is sufficient to achieve WP:NPOV
• here is another example.

I would add that the above edits from the 'self-immolation' article demonstrate a pattern of behaviour which can be seen throughout his editing in FGverse. Whilst there is nothing inherently wrong with inserting text favouring one viewpoint, to continue to do so and to ignore the other viewpoints (and all those who support it) when an article manifestly lacks balance is problematic. There are numerous discussions in which he openly advocates Falun Gong, the principles of "truthfulness, compassion and forbearance". He appears only to able to observe only twoone of the three 'virtues' ("truthfulness"), and even so, he appears to do it with his rose-coloured spectacles.

Sathya Sai Baba

Arbcom will already know about sockpuppet account. From this, it can be seen how he ran User:Inactive user account 001, the sock apparently to protect himself against members of the Baba cult.

• this edit in Jan 2009 demonstrates the same modus operandi (insertion of bias, use of ironic quotes) as in the Falun Gong articles. The account was blocked indefinitely in May 2009 after edit warring which resulted in his real identity being outed here by his adversary there.

After said sock account was blocked, he continued to repeatedly edit war at Sathya Sai Baba

• 1 2 3 edits in an edit war in Baba article (he crushed 13 explained changes with revert number 3)

Dilip rajeev creates an ambiance of intolerance and hostility, leaving behind a trail of breaches of WP:NPOV, 3RR and other guidelines wherever he goes. He is responsible, in whole or in part, for driving away a number of neutral editors from the Falun Gong articles. His editing Sathya Sai Baba demonstrate his propensity to be controversial; his forays there are nothing short of spectacular drama. He has demonstrated that he is incapable of working with others who do not share the same views as himself, and I am regrettably of the conclusion, after observing numerous attempts by myself and other editors to discuss, negotiate and mediate, and after many months of suffering his various antics and POV-pushing, that Misplaced Pages is best off without him. A wholescale indefinite ban is warranted to end this editor's disruption of wikipedia, once and for all. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:

• Notification has been served Ohconfucius (talk) 02:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
• Because of his habit of frequent absence, I also sent him the following email:

Arbitration enforcement‏

From: oh confucius (ohconfucius@hotmail.com)
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:19:41 AM
To: dilip_rajeev@msn.com

I wish to inform you that an arbitration enforcement case concerning your behaviour has been filed here.

Ohconfucius (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I continue to be baffled by the discussion below concerning the scope of authority of admins in this matter. I would just point out that in January 2008, Dilip rajeev was topic banned for 3 months without coming to AE; prior to that was a block of 55 hours. Olaf Stephanos was also given a 6 month topic ban recently here at AE for just such a violation. Ohconfucius (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Per Shell's comment, I have now realised that Samuel Luo was only topic banned indefinitely, but though it was a site ban. I have now amended the request above. Ohconfucius (talk) 01:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Reaction to asdfg's comments: My only ideology is WP:NPOV. If Dilip's latest reverts to the 'Self Immolation' and 'Organ harvesting' articles are part of Dilip's latest "improvements", I would hate to see what getting worse is like. He may be good at sourcing, but note that he frequently hides behind the "highly sourced material" as defense against removing any text which he wants to stay. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Dilip rajeev

Statement by Dilip rajeev

Well, a lot of accusations and all of them absolutely baseless.

1. Clarifying the Sock Accussation

I'll start with the sock accusation regarding the Sai Baba page. The "Sai Baba" topic being an extremely sensitive topic here in India, and any criticism of which could potentially result in threat on my safety as well as my family's safety, I had wanted anonymity when contributing to the pages( Ref: BBC Documentary, Secret Swami)( Even 70 year olds have been attacked in the very state where I live for exposing critical information on this person.) All my contributions there has been well sourced - to the BBC, The Times, The Guardian, The DTV, etc. It was a legitimate alternate account. Admins had also agreed there was no evidence of abusive socking from that account. Further, I had informed the arbcom, in a mail in February, regarding the account.

A newly registered editor, wanting to find out the real identity of the alternate account, started an SPA case against me - admins who were mislead by the manner in which the user presented the case initially mistook my account for a sock, revealing the identity of my alternate account. Shortly following this revelation of info, people related to the sai baba group had a large scale attack launched against me on several blogs and website.

Admins suggested that I rename the original alternate account and I did. That I "returned to edit warring" on the pages is a baseless mis-characterization. It is not uncommon on wikipedia for editors to get cornered and attacked when their contributions are not in- line with other's POV.

The above user had attacked me with claims along the same lines here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Dilip_rajeev/Archive

And he was clearly told by the admins that I had not operated any abusive socks.

2.The Tiananmen Square Page

The article had remained stable in this version for over a year : http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&oldid=300212095

The above User, Ohconfucius, came and and reverted it to a two year old revision - ignoring the pages of discussion that resulted in the newer version.

The user refuses to focus on the content being blanked out by his revision while attacking, personally, editors like me who bring up concerns on such a revert - chosing to base it ona "good article" comment.

The information and sources that got blanked out in the revert to the two year old version includes:

• Clive Ansley's statement from the CBC documentary
• Ian Johnson
• Danny Schechter
• RSF ( Reporters Sans Frontiers )
• Beatrice Turpin of Associated Press
• Ownby
• A centrally relevant image (which was part of the article for years).

And above are among the best sources and most notable sources available to us on the topic.

None of this removal was on the basis of any consensus. I had raised my concerns to the effect on talk, pointed things out clearly, requested that if any well sourced info from the two year old version ( which is extremely biased on builds on CCP propaganda ) be missing in the newer version, it be identified and incorporated into the newer article. PLease see my comment here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident#Carification_from_Dilip

I attempted a single revert to the stable version with the comment:"Please see talk page. The revision of the stable article to a two year old version, with no consensus/discussion, had blanked of several prominent 3rd party sources. Kindly see talk."

I was quickly reverted back by the above user, who, refusing to focus on the content, cast a set of baseless, distorted and misleading accusations against me. I refrained from any further revert to avoid a meaningless revert war.

3.The Organ Harvestation Page

It is true that I reverted to an approx. 10 day old version. But I was unaware of the discussions going on talk when I did the revert. Over 40 KB of centrally relevant, well sourced information as from Amnesty, Kilgour Matas, US COngress, etc., I had noticed, was removed in a series of edits. All images on the pages, showing statistic from the KM reports etc. had gotten removed as well.

I brought up the issue on the main page of Falun Gong article. I reproduce my comments, requesting admin attention, in their entirety below. I had pointed out I did the revert and was requesting admin attention to the revert as well as to the current state of affairs in the article.

Requesting admin attention on the organharvesting sub-page

Kindly review the flurry of changes that have happened in the the past couple of weeks: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Reports_of_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China&diff=309220914&oldid=309152359

A 66 KB article, every sentence in which had been highly sourced, has got reduced to a 26 Kb stub. Could admins kindly review such changes - the article comes under the probation placed by the ArbCom on these pages.

I have attempted to restore the page as of around Aug 8th, when this flurry of removal started -and not just info sourced to Amnesty, Congressional Reports, Kilgour Matas reports, etc. have been blanked out but several centrally relevant images from the KM reports have been blanked out as well.

Requesting kind attention on the issue. Dilip rajeev (talk) 09:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Kindly see http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident#Carification_from_Dilip. The page was reverted to a two year old revision - in the process blanking out several pages of content sourced to western academia. I merely restored this removal of info on a stable article, requesting that we discuss and make changes based on consensus - incorporating stuff from the two year old revision that might be missing in the stable article. While the user accuses me of "blanking two weeks of work" on The Tiananmenn square page, he choses to ignore that what I did was merely undo the user's revert to a two year old version ( an edit that ignored completely years' of work on the page).

I request admins to kindly go through/ compare the revisions and see for themselves.

The same pattern has occured on almost all related pages - and by the same set of users in the past two weeks. Li Hongzhi article has had info removed , addition of several paras of info irreleavent to the individual's notability, in violation of WP:BLP , etc. Persecution of Falun Gong article has undergone such changes as well.

I'd also like to point out that these flurry of changes started at around the same time as these comments were made by the same users involved in the changes. The "discussion" and "consensus" that resulted in the removal of all this info has been largely between the editors engaged in the below exchanges.

• Seb az86556 on Ohconfucius' talk page: "you did well in keeping the this Olaf-guy at bay, and I can see now why the Falun Gong thing you emailed about will be "total war"..."

• Colipon on Edward130603's talk page: "Anyway, do you have e-mail?"

• Colipon on Mrund's talk page: "I'd sent you an e-mail today. Please check! :)"

• Ohconfucius on Mrund's talk page: "I'm glad you're back. Drop me an email, I'd like a private chat with you."

I'd also like to point out that am not accusing all editors involved in the conversation. Mrund, for instance, just received these comments on talk and there is little evidence of him being involved in the recent removal of info on these pages.

As regards the removal of info on a 66KB stable article - reducing it to a 26 KB article, another stable page being reverted to a two year old revision ,etc. I'd like to point out that the very majority of info removed in the process are material centrally relevant- sourced to western academia, Human rights bodies, etc. - Amnesty, AP, Congressional Reports, a Yale Univ Thesis, Kilgour Matas Reports,etc. I point this out because, in the past, we have witnessed such blanking being covered up by claims to the effect that it was primary sources such as ET or Faluninfo.net that was removed. Demonstratably, and very clearly, it is reliable 3rd party sources being blanked out here. In all of these pages, primary sources such as Faluinfo.net are very sparingly used ( despite that they are identified as being reliable by scholars such as David Ownby.)

Dilip rajeev (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I was reverted by Ohconfucius , whose edit summary ran: "rvv - where's the discussion?". I pointed out I had brought up the issue on the main page . When I was reverted again, I refrained from doing any more reverts, again to avoid an unnecessary edit war and thought would bring up the issue in detail on the article's talk when I find more time.

The 10 day old version I reverted to is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Reports_of_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China&oldid=309225056 ( 66KB article, content stable for a almost a year )

The version from which I reverted ( the current version, after removal of 40 K info and ALL images) is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Reports_of_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China&oldid=309223036 ( 26 KB article )

If reviewing admins even causally compare the two versions, what motivated me to attempt restore all the info removed would be apparent.

Comments by other editors

Comment by antilived

I cannot express how much I appreciate User:DilipRajeev's effort to copy his rant verbatim to here, it makes life so much easier. As he himself said it, he was unaware of the talk page discussions (which should mean he is aware now?) and reverted a whole bunch of well discussed changes on the organ harvesting page. That itself is typical of WP:OWN behaviour, which seemed pandemic across all the FLG pages. But not only that presumably after he has become aware of the discussions he did not revert back his own edit, did not participate in the discussion, and instead posted a long winded rant on an unrelated page requesting admin intervention. The same thing happened last time I dealt with him, moving the issue right up to the WP:AN/I, accusing me of "adding in material from a clearly propagandistic video", "vandalism", "dis-information", the lot, while we were carrying out a conversation to resolve the matter. This, in my opinion, is clearly disruptive, inflammatory (that incident partly caused my hiatus on Misplaced Pages) and completely without remorse. --antilived 09:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Response to Asdfg12345 If by having an ideology of that an encyclopedia should have a neutral point of view opposes Dilip's ideology, I'll gladly be his "ideological opponent" (unless you are accusing every one of us being CCP propagandists?). The only criteria for his edits is to improve the outlook of FLG in Misplaced Pages articles (I can go add lots and lots of poorly written, poorly sourced text that praises FLG and he'd have no problems for it). By his criteria there can never be enough "discussion" to warrant a change that puts FLG in a more negative light (although I can hardly say it's specific to him, it's certainly the most prominent).

a small side-note: Asdfg12345 raises a good issue here, it's quite obvious that all the people that regard Dilip highly are FLG-practitioners. Maybe it IS an ideological issue after all? --antilived 07:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by PerEdman

Dilip rajeev states that he was unaware of discussions going on in talk when he reverted two weeks worth of good-faith collaborative edits. He could have investigated it and being the one who performed the revert, he should have created such a discussion, but he did not. Because this is not the first time he has done so, it is far too late to claim ignorance as a defense. I don't know what to make of this. I suppose it's possible, as Ohconfucius writes, that he's a devoted Falun Gong practitioner who cannot bear to see other sources represented and therefore acts in this way. What I can say is that it's disrupting a volatile subject matter. The terms in which he defends himself above are sadly typical. The edits made are "attacks", he is being "attacked" when demands are made that he follow WP:BRD or WP:NPOV. Such partisan behavior can be handled on many subject matters, but in the Falun Gong articles, on probation, with a very strong partisan conflict between the Chinese Communist Part and Falun Gong, it is extremely disruptive. I'm sorry to say that I believe the editing climate on these pages will be improved without the poorly-motivated reverts and deletions repeatedly made by Dilip rajeev in the past. As a final note, I do not believe a blanket ban is necessary at this point - an indefinite subject ban from all articles on Falun Gong and possibly China subjects would allow the editor to grow into a well-rounded, constructive Misplaced Pages contributor in areas where he can maintain a semblance of objectivity.  / Per Edman 09:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Response to comment by HappyInGeneral

If Dilip has the time to be Bold and Revert, it is not unreasonable to expect hir to take the time to Discuss as well. To revert without discussion can obviously be quite disruptive to a probationary article that needs no more drama.  / Per Edman 21:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Respose to comment by Asdfg12345

This is not a place of discussion, but the claim that critics are "ideological opponents" of Dilip rajeev begs the question: what ideology would that be?  / Per Edman 22:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Enric Naval

Confirming that there is a group of editors resisting the insertion of any criticism in Falun Gong articles, that this has stalled editors who keep trying to balance that articles (myself I tried to make a few changes), and that the articles have benefited from boldly ignoring unreasonable objections raised by these users. A topic ban of Dilip rajeev from anything related to Falun Gong would help improve those articles and would reduce the level of persistent advocacy. Topic ban should include making any edit that makes reference to Falun Gong stuff in any article or talk page in any namespace, broadly constructed. --Enric Naval (talk) 09:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by PCPP

I was involved in long term edit disputes with Dilip, who has has demonstrated his lack of good faith previously by:

• has a habit of continued edit warring
• running false checkuser claims against Ohconfucius
• accused me of being an "vandal" and "propagandist" over content dispute at FLG articles
• bad faith attacks against Antilived, accused of being a PRC propagandist
• another bad faith attack against bobby_fletcher, using an external source that accuses him of being a Chinese spy.

Most of the other issues were already mentioned by Colipon and Ohconfucius above. Basically, his method of destructive editing involve:

• Persumed ownership of articles. He often adds large chunks of material without discussion, while revert edits he doesn't like on sight. This often involves simply article tags, particularly in the Tiananmen Square self-immolation and organ harvesting articles. He cannot seem to grasp the concept of discussion before inserting controversial edits.
• Wikilawyering. He demonstrates a clear disregard for wikipedia guidelines, particularly WP:SOAP and WP:NPOV. His arguments often involves soapboxing and the such. He also has a habit of removing anything from Chinese sources as "propaganda" , while hold FLG sources as the gospel truth.

Since mediators become involved in the FLG articles, the users of both sides have became more cooperative, and dilip's continued disruption and violation of the arbcom ruling damages on the mediation, and as such warrants a topic ban or block .--PCPP (talk) 10:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Mrund

The best that can be said about Dilip rajeev, and the one thing that makes him only the second most disruptive editor on everything having to do with Falun Gong over the past few years, is that he isn't there all the time. His contributions take the form of drive-by shootings. He cares only about Falun Gong, which in his mind is all good and whose reputation must be boosted, and the Sai Baba cult, which he used to fight on Misplaced Pages. Dilip is not primarily interested in making a good encyclopedia. He actively disrupts attempts in that direction. I am not optimistic about his willingness or ability to do any productive work here. Martin Rundkvist (talk) 13:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Sandstein

It is not clear to me that this is a case for arbitration enforcement. Which remedy in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong allows uninvolved administrators to enact the requested "indefinite ban from Misplaced Pages"? Unless this request is amended to cite an actual arbitration sanction or remedy that has been violated (as of this writing, it cites only principles enunciated by the Committee, which are not by themselves enforceable), it may be closed without action.  Sandstein  15:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong#Article probation, which has now been added to the request, places the article on article probation (which would allow topic bans by admins), but also states that "The articles may be reviewed on the motion of any arbitrator, or upon acceptance by the Arbitration Committee of a motion made by any user. Users whose editing is disruptive may be banned or their editing restricted as the result of a review." I understand this to mean that under this remedy, any topic ban may only be imposed as a result of action by the Arbitration Committee. If so, admins on their own can't do anything here and a request to the Committee would be required.  Sandstein  15:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

In reply to John Carter below and Ed Johnston on my talk page, yes, a case can be made that ArbCom meant to enact standard article probation, but if so, why the confusing extra text about review by the Committee? On the face of it, that would appear to be a lex specialis limiting the terms of article probation for this case. Absent clarification by the Committee, I am not ready to enact a sanction that is not authorized by the remedy (assuming any sanctions are required at all; I've not looked at the merits of this request).  Sandstein  16:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Edward130603

I would support a topic ban or a block of Dilip rajeev. He is a disruptive editor and often edit wars to get his way. Dilip simply has no care for the good faith work of other editors if they don't match with his POV.

Sandstein, I think that the Article Probation remedy allows blocks/restricted editing for disruptive editors. --Edward130603 (talk) 15:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Seb az86556

I find it difficult to convince myself that a Francophone soccer-player, a piano-player from North Carolina, an archaeologist and convinced atheist, a Hong Kong resident, and an art-instructor with a staunch belief in Judeo-Christian deism would manage to agree on and produce one-sided, slanted revisions — unless one subscribes to the notion that all those who do not cheerfully support every source which celebrates the accomplishments and wisdom of a controversial religion must be part of a great heathen-conspiracy led by Hel and the time of Ragnarök has finally come to pass.
I have yet to become familiarized with the new rule which explains to the underlings exactly how long they would have to wait before Dilip descends from his watchtower to approve of the changes that had been thoroughly discussed before being implemented to the articles he apparently owns. It becomes terribly frustrating when, upon finally coming to some agreements in the course of tough discussions, one knows that said debates take place under the auspice of an omnipresent divine eye that will fire its wrath-filled flames of destruction down to earth should the inferiors' actions fall into disfavor. Just as there should be no cabal, there should not be a god-like Übermensch with no need for explaining or justifying his actions, either — especially when he himself has been warned and informed of the fact that not everyone in the pool of unworthy minions follows the creed of Dilipianity.

The behavior is clearly disruptive and violates remedy 1) of the Arbitration Case closed on 06:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC) which states "Users whose editing is disruptive may be banned or their editing restricted as the result of a review". Seb az86556 (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Jayen466

Sandstein is correct: as written, the remedy does not appear to support direct admin action, but asks for a review by the arbitration committee following a corresponding motion; bans or restrictions should result from such a review. --JN466 15:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

• John appears to be "more correct". The remedy links to WP:Article probation which in turn redirects to Misplaced Pages:General sanctions, authorising the community to place sanctions. I'll shut up now and leave it to smarter heads to sort this out. --JN466 16:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
• As it appears that this may be falling under AE jurisdiction after all, I would like to add that I and several other otherwise uninvolved editors found Dilip Rajeev's editing at Sathya Sai Baba deeply problematic, as attested to by several WP:BLPN threads (e.g. the two Sai Baba threads in Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive60, both of which centred around material introduced by this editor). --JN466 00:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by John Carter

The existing remedy includes a specific link to Misplaced Pages:General sanctions, which, in the second paragraph, specifically does allow for parties other than the ArbCom to impose general sanctions, although it also permits such sanctions to be revoked later if so desired. I have to assume that the presence of such a link indicates that it would be possible for uninvolved administrators to place sanctions, effectively at the community's request, on such topics. John Carter (talk) 16:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Response to Sandstein: I understand your reservations about placing such a ban without a clear mandate in the existing ruling. I am therefore requesting clarification of the existing ruling, specifically regarding whether uninvolved admins would be acting within the ruling placing such a ban, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests. John Carter (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment by HappyInGeneral

1. Ohconfucius claims that Dilip is disruptive, but if he only edits once a week, how disruptive can he be? As I see it Dilip wants to contribute to these pages, just that right now he does not have the time to keep up with the huge amount of changes that are happening and that are driven by about 10 dedicated people. Plus Dilip did not engaged in any revert wars he only made some WP:Bold changes which correspond to the WP:BRD cycle.
2. If the admins would like to understand how the team play is played, please see here: Talk:Reports_of_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China#The_Situation:_A_Summary reading even just this thread alone will give a good idea. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Contrary to what PerEdman suggests, I see that he engaged in talks: Talk:Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident#Carification_from_Dilip. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Vassyana

My comments are mainly procedural.

• The remedy has been treated as a standard probation with an additional option for ArbCom review. See: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Falun Gong#Log of blocks and bans. This interpretation has generally been upheld by ArbCom at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request to amend prior case: Falun Gong.
• The editor under scrutiny received a "final warning" over three months ago.
• If reviewing administrators feel the editor in question has engaged in explicit misconduct, contributed to a poor editing environment, or otherwise inhibited productive discussion and editing, he should be sanctioned to permit continued improvement in the topic area.
• Reviewing admins may find that other editors' conduct raised or exhibited here, or noted through examining the evidence of this request, is problematic and counterproductive to the topic area. If this is so, I implore the reviewing admins to issue final warnings to help future enforcement in the Falun Gong topic area. Anything that helps highlight and resolve counterproductive behavior is a boon for the area.

Thank you for considering my comments. --Vassyana (talk) 00:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

• The drafting arbitrator has clarified the intent of the arbitration remedy, in line with my interpretation. --Vassyana (talk) 22:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Colipon

Dilip Rajeev is a very difficult user to work with. He was the primary user that drove me away from working on Falun Gong articles in 2007. After my two-year hiatus from the FLG zone, my first attempts to make good faith changes over at ‘Organ Harvesting’ in July 2009 was directly met with a horde of personal accusations from dilip. Dilip’s style of disruptive editing and disrespect for users who do not share his POV has been a serious detriment to improvement to Falun Gong articles. Note in his defense, he writes “But I was unaware of the discussions going on talk when I did the revert.” I am baffled he is able to utter these words as a form of defence. This type of blatant disregard for other contributors' edits is not acceptable. He also often throws poorly argued but very offensive accusations at people who are displeased with his disruptive behaviour.

Although there seems to be an on-going debate about the semantics of sanctions, a long-term topic ban for Rajeev serves the basic spirit of the arbitration – that is, to foster a more cohesive and productive editing environment. Dilip’s past behaviour has undoubtedly turned away and frustrated many good faith editors and significantly hindered progress in the Falun Gong articles - to a degree no less severe than now topic-banned user Olaf Stephanos. Olaf and Dilip's argumentation on talk space differ in that Olaf responds directly to comments by other users while Dilip simply uses overarching statements to conclude that he is 'right', and then engages in edit-warring and reverts regardless of other users' input (as shown in evidence above) - this is the reason dilip has many more warnings against him than other Falun Gong SPAs. In all this adds up to make dilip the most destructive user on these articles. Similar to Olaf, if dilip was truly interested in working on the project rather than pushing his views on two controversial movements, he can still remain a valuable contributor outside the realm of Falun Gong and Sathya Sai Baba. Colipon+(Talk) 19:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Outside Editor:Radiantenergy

I have n't followed the Falun Gong article closely. However I will like to share Dilip Rajeev's role in the Sathya Sai Baba article. Dilip Rajeev using the account 'White_Adept' added several unreliable sources and material banned by second arbitration commitee in the Sathya Sai Baba article since Jan 2009. He made 200+ edits in 10 days and changed a neutral article to NPOV nightmare. He always edit-warred with other editors who tried to remove the unreliable sources which he added. I had put an arbitration enforcement case here - http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement/Archive36#I_seek_Admin_help_in_this_case:_White_Adept_and_Arb.com_rulings where he was warned of sactions if he added questionable sources into the Sathya Sai Baba article.

Even after this case Dilip Rajeev still continued to add the same banned material in the sub-article '1993 murders in Prashanthi Nilayam'. I have always wondered why Dilip Rajeev was not afraid to break wikipedia rules or even arbitration enforcement rules. Many co-editors had become frustrated unable to stop his POV pushing and edit-warring in the Sathya Sai Baba article.

If you ask me if Dilip Rajeev disrupted the Sathya Sai Baba article? My answer is definite Yes. He did a lot of damage to that article. It has taken me and other editors almost 6 months to get rid of the unreliable sources Dilip Rajeev added into the Sathya Sai Baba article and bring it back to the original neutral state. Lately in the last 1 and 1/2 months after Dilip stopped interfering in the Sathya Sai Baba article the article has tremendously improved and has become more neutral and well balanced. I hope that the Sathya Sai Baba article will stay that way in the future instead of becoming a NPOV nightmare once again. Radiantenergy (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Outside Editor: J929

Hey, sometime in 2008 i came upon the Misplaced Pages Sathya Sai Baba page. The page at best was poorly written and lacked any real coherancy and information. Sometime later, in 2009 i read the page again and was disgusted with the way Sai Baba was presented. i know people have different opinions but it seems there lacked any human dignity or neutral presentation of a living person. That is when i signed up for a wikipedia account. 16:07, February 15, 2009 . i couldnt make any changes as the page had been blocked.
i'm not familiar Dilip Rajeev or his writing as he stopped around the time i began, but i do know the article in early 2009 was, in my opinion, horrendous. you will have to consult the history of the page to see who made the contributions.

J929 (talk) 02:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Asdfg12345

I've been involved with these articles for a long time. I believe Dilip is editing in good faith. Much of the calls for a ban here come from Dilip's ideological opponents, who of course find his presence a nuisance. I agree that Dilip's editing is unthoughtful in the cited instances, and I don't know why he annoys people like that when he doesn't have to. On the other hand though, he is improving, and he has made good contributions to these pages in terms of research and finding sources, and that shouldn't be discounted. His once a fortnight changes that get reverted in ten seconds aren't what is making or breaking the editing environment on these pages--they are minor, and he only did it a couple of times, and I'm sure he won't keep doing them after this incident. He notes, in his defence, that he was undoing changes that he felt had been pushed through without discussion, and were often cases of vast deletions of material referenced to reliable sources. There is actually nothing wrong with doing this. This is merely the bold-revert-cycle. It would only be a problem if he edit-warred, and I see no evidence of that. Mostly this seems like a difference in taste. People disagree with each other all the time. There should be a plurality of views on wikipedia. If there was some genuinely disruptive activity coming from Dilip's corner I would want him banned too, but I don't see evidence of it.--Asdfg12345 18:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Dilip rajeev

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

• We can't site ban someone as nothing in the Arbitration case went that far, however, a topic ban could be considered. Sandstein, there's an open amendment in which another editor was topic banned as a result of this case; not sure why the funny wording, but the Arbs seem to support standard discretionary sanctions here. I've asked Vassyana if he wants to comment on this request as well. Shell 20:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

  Also, given the repeated blocks for 3RR on these articles and a prior topic ban (logged here), a revert restriction might be appropriate as well. Shell 20:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Mythdon 2

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Mythdon

User requesting enforcement:
Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Mythdon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Mythdon_admonished

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. <Gratuitous mention of Ryulong in unrelated case, carrying on a dispute. Also the latest in a spate of recent comments on arbitration pages>

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

1. General conduct warning by FayssalF (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
2. ...

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
I can't see how anything short of a longer block is going to convince the user to engage in hte community in a proactive and not combative manner.

Additional comments by Casliber (talk · contribs):
<Your text>

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:
The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning Mythdon

Statement by Mythdon

All I have to say is that I already struck the comment. No further action is needed. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 01:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I have just notified Ryulong of this thread. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 01:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other editors

• I'll just point to the currently open ANI thread (perm). Would suggest a ban from interacting with or commenting about Ryulong (except on arbcom pages and sections immediately related to the case). –xeno 02:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm not convinced that a sanction of this sort is going to achieve anything more than the same problems as before. In my opinion, a block (or a more complete ban) in terms of weeks, is perhaps the only way to see if there will be any change when he returns to editing. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
• I kinda favour both, Mythdon is being a real timesink around RFAR and they simply do not get the fact that they have to leave Ryulong alone . Spartaz 06:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • That's probably the best option available; I'd endorse it. Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Mythdon

• I've blocked Mythdon for two weeks for either exceedingly bad judgment or deliberate limits testing. It seems obvious that once that block has expired, there will need to be some kind of prohibition on interaction with Ryulong; more discussion as to exactly how that should be crafted would be useful. Steve Smith (talk) 09:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

  As suggested above, a ban on interacting with Ryulong, and commenting on him except on arbitration-related pages that are immediately related. The admin placing the interactional ban would need to serve as an intermediary if there was anything that absolutely needed to be communicated outside the walls of arbcom. –xeno 19:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

  My concern with that wording - and I really hate to assume trouble, but I think given history we should be on the safe side - is it might provoke Mythdon to open a bunch of requests for clarification and appeals and the like solely to get around the prohibition. I'm not sure what we can do to get around that, though. As well, you're talking as if this would be a two-way ban, but can we really impose such a ban on Ryulong as arbitration enforcement when he's not even alleged to have violated any of the remedies? Steve Smith (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

  I tried to stay out of this as much as possible, but the only possible way for Mythdon and I to have absolutely no interaction would be the topic ban that he attempted to get out of with one of the previous requests for clarification, and an ensuing drama on ANI after it was brought up on WT:TOKU. I have still yet to see anything constructive come about from his editing the same pages I do. Even after the block and Nathan contacted him on his talk page to voluntarily choose a different area of interest, he does not understand that there should be a different topic area he should edit.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

  How about: (1) Ryulong (talk · contribs) shall not directly or indirectly, interact with, or comment about Mythdon (talk · contribs). This applies anywhere on Misplaced Pages, except at the following pages, when Ryulong requests arbitration enforcement, amendment or clarification, with respect to both the case, and any finding, remedy or enforcement directly pertaining to Mythdon. Except when responding on those pages to such a request filed by Ryulong, Mythdon (talk · contribs) shall not directly or indirectly, interact with, or comment about Ryulong, at any time, anywhere on Misplaced Pages. In addition to this, Mythdon (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from editing any page that falls under WikiProject Tokusatsu (including articles), and any discussions relating to those pages, broadly construed." and (2) "If Mythdon violates this sanction, he will be blocked for up to 1 month per incident, with the third incident resulting in a ban from Misplaced Pages for 1 year. If Ryulong violates this sanction, he will be blocked for up to 1 week per violation, with the third violation resulting in a ban from Misplaced Pages for 1 month." Obviously, this could be tweaked, such as with a timer on the topic ban. Thoughts? Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

  I fail to see how I should be affected by any sanction. I do not go out of my way to directly or indirectly interact or comment about Mythdon. I've purposely avoided commenting on his last two RFAs. I've also in no way commented on his recent requests for clarification. I also have not even touched this page concerning this enforcement until I saw that Mythdon had been blocked again and that there was continuing discussion here. I want you to explain how I should be banned from anything regarding Mythdon.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

  The reason I included it was more for in the unlikely case if you end up on the same article as one he's edited; it's just to highlight the limits of interaction. To be frank, I'd personally be comfortable not formalising via sanction for those same reasons as you stated. In the case that others supported the idea that part was not formalised, I already have an alternate wording ready: Unless Ryulong (talk · contribs), on the following pages, requests arbitration enforcement, amendment or clarification, with respect to both the case, and any finding, remedy or enforcement directly pertaining to Mythdon, Mythdon (talk · contribs) shall not directly or indirectly, interact with, or comment about Ryulong, at any time, anywhere on Misplaced Pages. In addition to this, Mythdon (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from editing any page that falls under WikiProject Tokusatsu (including articles), and any discussions relating to those pages, broadly construed. If Mythdon violates this sanction, he will be blocked for up to 1 month per incident, with the third incident resulting in a ban from Misplaced Pages for 1 year." Again, thoughts? Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

  That seems like a reasonable wording. Shell 04:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

  Much better.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

• Although I'm aware that there is reluctance among some admins to even edit this page, we really should wrap this up. I've posted a note at Steve's page, but he does seem to be away. Requesting an uninvolved admin to impose this accordingly. Thanks, Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
• Responding to the above request for a neutral close, I have imposed the interaction and topic ban using Ncmvocalist's wording above, with the notification here and a log in the appropriate section of the Arbitration page. Is any further notification required? If not, we're done here. Fritzpoll (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Yep, we're done here - no further notification required. Cheers again, Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Pmanderson

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Pmanderson

User requesting enforcement:
Andy Walsh (talk) 03:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Pmanderson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking#Pmanderson_topic_banned, Subsequent motion; See notes below.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. Adds text to the main MoS page with the snide edit summary "add useless words to clarify due to pointless objectioon".
2. Makes inflammatory remarks about regular MoS editors.
3. Refers to another editor's position as "irrelevant"
4. Goes back to add that it's also "tendentious" and "inflammatory"
5. Replies to an editor with the edit summary "response to sole instance of reasoning", thus impugning the remainder of that editor's contributions to the discussion
6. A large statement in which PMA refers to me and "my friends" suggesting some kind of cabal, even though I don't know most of the MoS editors from Adam, and ending with a statement implying that I and others should not be editing content at all
7. Misstates the position of an ArbCom member in an attempted red herring (Here is said member refuting PMA's statement)

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
Not applicable.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
I request that the 12 month topic ban from all MoS pages and their accompanying discussions be restored on PMAnderson, since he has demonstrated that he cannot control his rhetoric.

Additional comments by Andy Walsh (talk):
In this motion, PMAnderson was allowed back on the MoS pages (except for ones related to date linking) with the caveat that "All editors whose restrictions are being narrowed are reminded to abide by all applicable policies and guidelines in their editing, so that further controversies such as the one that led to the arbitration case will not arise, and any disagreements concerning style guidelines can be addressed in a civil and efficient fashion". Despite statements that he was ""not planning to return for a while, even if this amendment passes" PMAnderson immediately returned to the MoS pages after his restriction was narrowed and began a campaign of aggressive and incivil rhetoric. Regrettably, all the examples I cite above are within 24 or 48 hours of his restriction being narrowed.

In the interest of disclosure, I have had occasional disagreements with PMA in the past but they were never incivil, and they are so long ago that I can't find the diffs. I was not party to the date delinking case nor did I even comment on it. I also acknowledge that PMA does bring some good ideas to the table, and is capable of rational, civil discussion when he chooses to. However, he doesn't choose to often enough.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:

Discussion concerning Pmanderson

Statement by Pmanderson

Andy Walsh misstates what I said, which was Noetica's question is therefore when did you stop beating your wife? and irrelevant tp the issue at hand. I was asked repeatedly, "Why does a given piece of text mean X?" It means Y, which directly contradicts X, and I suggested clarifications which make it beyond doubt that it means Y. At the third repetition, the question does become tendentious, irrelevant, and inflammatory, just like the notoriously unanswerable question quoted. I am still awaiting the next accusation: that I called Noetica a wife-beater</irony>.

This is criticism of a post, not of an editor - as are the rest of these, insofar as they are anything; if it was excessive, I am willing to strike. But I am not quarrelling with Noetica, who has indeed posted rather lavish compliments to me after this incident; we disagree.

Since I have pointed this out already elsewhere, I am puzzled by Andy Walsh's continued use of this charge, which is indeed specious. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Response to Ohconfucius: Ohconfucius is under the same restriction I am; he comes here to comment while calling me an anarchist. I am not starting an AE on this - my view is that such stuff should be left to defeat itself; but surely what goes for the goose goes for the gander. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
• Response to Goodmorningworld. This is precisely why MOS causes so many problems. It cionsistently makes instructions which violate all three of the criteria in WP:CREEP:
  1. There is rarely any indication of an actual problem (as opposed to a hypothetical or a perceived problem).
  2. The proposed instructions don't solve this problem (as opposed to treating symptoms or making symbolic gestures).
  3. The instructions are usually overcomplex, forbid reasonable (sometimes preferable) idioms, and are normally unnecessary prohibitions.
• Those who regard recognizing this as anarchism have forgotten that Misplaced Pages is not a government, and that writing English is an art, not an exercise in painting by numbers for which they need to supply an instruction kit. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other editors

• No comment on the merits of the conduct at issue, but since it does not seem to violate a specific enforceable arbitration remedy, I am not sure that arbitration enforcement admins can do anything here.  Sandstein  04:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• I have no idea. I was told to come here when I raised my concerns at the discussion page for the motion announcement, which grew into a huge conversation. --Andy Walsh (talk) 05:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• "...and began a campaign of aggressive and incivil rhetoric" is a good way of describing the behavior seen in the previous day or two. PMAnderson has lost no opportunity to resume his (self-stated) crusade to abolish the MOS at WP. Arbitration was specifically about behavioral issues, so it is disappointing to see inflammatory language such as the following:

- "Masters of MoS",

- "...prejudices of six editors",

- "...question therefore is like 'when did you stop beating your wife?': tendentious, inflammmatory, and irrelevant...",

- "...before resorting to dispute resolution on this confused and obnoxious thread",

- "Why do we need to rule on it, except to satisfy a will to power?",

- "...six "usual suspects...",

- "...we should pull the plug on this swamp. It's a breeding place for controversy, and a indiscriminate mass of unsourced, uncited, arbitrary and silly edicts made up in class one day",

- "Feel free to prove yourself more capable at that than at this specious charge...",

While none of this is particularly horrific, it clearly indicates a mentality of abrasiveness (that has been absent at the MOS for a couple of months now). PMAnderson has done nothing today but demonstrate his unwillingness to work constructively in a collaborative environment. In addition, his self-stated crusade to demolish the MOS renders him unsuitable for (real) assistance at the MOS pages. Sorry, but I support a long-term block for PMAnderson to all the MOS pages (and associated talk pages).

 HWV258  06:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: I am sure there are other pertinent examples, but I would just make the observation that a similar pattern of incivility was deemed to sufficiently demonstrate the lack of good faith, resulting in the 6-month topic ban of another editor who sought to further his own agenda through personal attacks and verbose wikilawyering. A similar sanction may be a appropriate in this case. Ohconfucius (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
• This editor has been involved in a heated discussion for several days at WP:NCON where he makes substantial edits to the guideline before any consensus has formed to change it. I also see the edit summary comments here , though perhaps toned down a little. His comments on the talk page are also bordering on uncivil. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 07:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • This is the problem with AE; it attracts all sorts of irrelevant complaints. I surreverted a direct reversion (once) on a page which has no consensus - indeed, as many editors object to it as defend it. I may do again, or leave it to others. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
    • The behavior I'm referring to is not related to a dispute. Please don't play this off as "some editors who disagree with your edits coming to attack you on AE". I'm merely commenting to let people know that a there's similar behave pattern in other pages that might otherwise be overlooked. And it was clearly not one edit, as anyone who looks at that page history can see. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 00:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
• Per and specifically "(3) All editors whose restrictions are being narrowed are reminded to abide by all applicable policies and guidelines in their editing, so that further controversies such as the one that led to the arbitration case will not arise, and any disagreements concerning style guidelines can be addressed in a civil and efficient fashion...", as well as the original terms of enforcement for all restrictions in the Date delinking case, allegations of incivility and edit-warring on style guidelines by editors under restriction can and should be addressed here. Nathan 15:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
  • However, note the intention of ArbCom: this case deals with MOS and progeny; not with other guidelines - and WP:NCON is a naming convention. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
• I was about to file an enforcement request against Ohconfucius for this edit, when I noticed Pmanderson had mentioned it above. Pmanderson objects (I think) to being called an anarchist, but what caught my attention was Ohconfucius referring to Pmanderson as "Pam Anderson". This is, in my view, a deliberate dig by Ohconfucius at Pmanderson. To realise this, you need to know some of the history here, including a recent exchange (from July 2009) where Pmanderson asks people to call him either Septentrionalis or Pmanderson, and not any of the various quasi-derogatory nicknames applied to him by those he has been in dispute with. The recent background to this is here, a few paragraphs down: "editors should not willfully distort other usernames, as in this edit (I say willful to exclude typoes, which this is not). Ohconfucius and GregL have picked up this minor obnoxiousness from Tony, who seems to have reformed." Then scroll back up the page to the statement by Lar, and you will see Pmanderson saying the following: "Either Pmanderson or Septentrionalis will do; wiki-friends have nicknames. But "Mandy" or "Manderson" are intentional pinpricks". In the same vein as Ohconfucius's earlier use of "Mandy", I submit that Ohconfucius's use of "Pam Anderson" here is an 'intentional pinprick'. If so, then this is classic baiting on the part of Ohconfucius, trying to provoke a response from Pmanderson. Whether this needs enforcement against Ohconfucius or not, I leave up to the admins reading this section, as I may be reading too much into this. Carcharoth (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• On a more general point, it would be good to remind those editing at the manual of style (MOS) pages and talk pages that the original case scheduled a stability review three months after the case. I was recused in the case and remain recused on the requests and any such review (though I might present evidence). The wording clearly says that if the MOS hasn't stablised, further sanctions may be forthcoming. The wording is here. I would ask those editing MOS pages to read what Tony1 (one of the parties to the case) said here. Carcharoth (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, I hope people heed your words Carcharoth. Nothing is gained by name-calling and subtle digs. I tried to be clear in my statement that PMAnderson does do good work, even though I vehemently disgree with his methods, which all too often involve edit warring and insults. I don't think it's fair to make people wait around three months when the behavior I've outlined is serious and current. --Andy Walsh (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• The three months date from the end of the case on 14 June, so that would be on 14 September. One of the things I noticed is that some editors, immediately their restrictions were relaxed, went straight back to "their" MOS pages and started editing them again to roll back the changes that had happened while they were "away". Greg L in particular went straight to MOSNUM and made a series of edits making changes. Only later did he go to the talk page to discuss those changes, using the words "I had been away from MOSNUM for a while" (yes, he had been topic banned from such pages, initially indefinitely, but the restrictions were partially lifted recently after two months). I don't know what definition of 'stability' ArbCom will be using, but I do know that what I'm seeing at the moment doesn't look like stability. I would also guess that if ArbCom do a review and find things are not stable, then they will look at more people than just the ones that were involved in the date delinking case. If I was presenting evidence for such a review, I would certainly take a closer look at the history of disputes at MOS. Carcharoth (talk) 09:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

• Noetica's comment: I am not a litigious editor; nor have actions ever been taken against me. Faced with obstinate and unWikipedian behaviour, I typically present my evidence and arguments incisively and resolutely, and attempt to engage the perpetrator in dialogue; and I do not edit-war. If a firm but rational stand doesn't work, I have been known to withdraw completely, since there are better things to do. A committed and serious MOS editor, I nevertheless withdrew last December – for more than half a year, since PMAnderson had made productive work at WP:MOS next to impossible. I am amazed that he now comes back unchastened by ArbCom's sanctions, and completely unattentive to ArbCom's admonitions. He returned as soon as he could to his old ways: as rude, disruptive, and recalcitrant as ever at WT:MOSNUM, and in his trigger-happy editing of both WP:MOSNUM and WP:MOS, where I had started discussion of a point. He demanded answers to his questions (and got answers), but he refused to answer plain questions put to him. The whole sorry episode is recorded here. When his case was clearly lost, by a majority of seven opinions to one, he persisted in soapboxing about his opponents (presumably with me as the ringleader) in terms that smear us as little better than Taliban zealots. Us! In his edit summaries also, as recorded above. And now at his own userpage, where he misreports events according to his own coloured view of the situation. No wonder people are provoked to use mild pet names for him. I don't know what should be done. Something, though. We work hard to maintain high standards at Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style. It is difficult enough without an editor who appears not to understand the goals of MOS constantly operating against us. The guidelines serve Misplaced Pages well: quietly and without fuss, for those editors consulting MOS who do not look below the lid. PMAnderson should be taken seriously as a persistent threat to stability, good order, and our collegial development work in the service of the community.–_⊥Noetica!– 04:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Pressed for time so I'll limit myself to just this comment. Calling PMAnderson an anarchist in no way, shape or form is an insult. It is a simple statement of fact. (Although I would qualify it by calling him a style anarchist). There is nothing at all wrong with being an anarchist. It is one possible position of many to take within a compass rose of ideological stances. Anarchists, however, tend to operate on the margins. Generally their positions do not gain majority support and so they must content themselves with the status of a gadfly. Unfortunately PMAnderson is not content with that. He is tirelessly at work making use of WP's full arsenal of fratricidal weapons, from "subtle" insults to warnings and threats to intimidating editors by a dizzying array of means including but not limited to making sure that anyone who argues against him finds themselves added to an ongoing Arbitration. In the past PMAnderson has been treated very lightly by the Arbs who have allowed him to wreak much damage. It will be interesting to see if this pattern continues. Goodmorningworld (talk) 07:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Response to PMAnderson: It is true that MOS instructions are needlessly complicated in some places. That is why a number of editors, myself included, are working to consolidate and simplify the Manual of Style. For example, this edit I made here. If you turned more of your undisputed skills toward joining in that effort, we probably would have less to argue about ;-) Goodmorningworld (talk) 10:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Pmanderson

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• Looking at the various diffs given here and Pmanderson's recent contributions, it is clear that his/her involvement in MOS discussions is unproductive and far too focused on other editors instead of content. Given the spirit of the motion and the specific comments made by Newyorkbrad, I believe that the year ban should be broadened to include any MOS style or related pages and talk pages. I will leave this open for another 24 hours or so for discussion just in case another uninvolved admin should have an objection to expanding the remedy. Shell 09:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Pedrito

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Request concerning Pedrito

User requesting enforcement:
Jaakobou 23:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Pedrito (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/West_Bank_-_Judea_and_Samaria#Pedrito_restricted

Pedrito has been indefinitely banned from Israel-Palestine conflict-related articles.

9) Pedrito (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
is placed under an editing restriction indefinitely. He is prohibited from editing any article in
the area of conflict, commenting on any talk page attached to such an article, or participating
in any community discussion substantially concerned with such articles.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. While he has not directly violated the ban, it appears that he has messaged another user in a request to influence an article related to the conflict. I will note in favor of the user from whom this was requested, that he did not made the requested change. (assuming this is true) However, I believe that it is a violation of the ban, which was enacted in order to completely disengage the users it dealt with from being an influence on Israel-Palestine articles on Misplaced Pages.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
Not applicable.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
block.

Additional comments by Jaakobou:
There's room to inspect the activity of the notified editor.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:
Notified - .

Discussion concerning Pedrito

Statement by Pedrito

Comments by other editors

"As a general comment, I am opposing the talk page participation of everyone involved. I would like to see these editors return to being involved in related discussions, as they are knowledgeable and valued, but I believe that we need to give the community the ability to enter this topical area, review the lingering debates and unsolved mysterious omissions, and if necessary restart old discussions which have been improperly handled in the past. Uninvolved people are more likely to do this if they are not going to be pounced upon by involved people. The uninvolved people may miss some crucial aspect that has already been discussed, however in that scenario, the restricted editors can still mention that on a user talk page of someone who is uninvolved. i.e. the prevention from entering "community discussion" would not extend to small comments directly to another user, however prolonged engagement in a discussion on a user talk would. Entering the fray of an existing user_talk discussion to support another editor would also. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)"

Overzealous wikihounding allegations aside, there's a clear violation of WP:BATTLE here. Pedrito was asking a fellow editor that he trusts (Nableezy) to counter the actions of another editor which he, apparently, dislikes (Shuki). This seems like a valid reason to raise concern on the Arbitration Enforcement page as it endorses and promotes war-like behavior. Pedrito, following the ARBCOM ruling, has been banned from Israel-related discussions (and articles) for this very problem. i.e. tag team mentality and behavior that induces conflict and further misbehavior in others.

p.s. I'd appreciate it greatly if you rephrase yourself here, Untwirl, to remove the word "ridiculous".

Warm regards, Jaakobou 20:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Pedrito

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• I don't believe this is a violation. While editors should not proxy for someone who is banned or restricted, that doesn't prevent a restricted editor from offering reasonable suggestions. Of course, someone who decides to make an edit based on a restricted editor's suggestion needs to realize that they are taking personal responsibility for the content. Unless there's a pattern of disruption here, I don't believe any action is necessary at this time. Leaving open for further comments. Shell 04:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
• This isn't a violation of the restriction as it's written. However, you could request a clarification on the WP:RFARB page. PhilKnight (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
  • A clarification seems like a good idea. I noticed another editor - Nickhh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - who was also sanctioned on the same case (link) leaving messages on the other editor's talkpage. Jaakobou 09:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
• While it may not be a violation of the restrictions, such requests from a topic-banned editor should not be permitted because of the dilemma it potentially places on the unfortunate recipient (in this case, Nableezy) of having to choose between either appearing to proxy for a banned editor or abstaining from making an edit he/she may believe to be correct. CIreland (talk) 05:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Meowy

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Request concerning Meowy

User requesting enforcement:
Camaron · Christopher · talk 11:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Meowy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement Meowy has been under these sanctions since October 2007.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. , Violation of Revert limitation (formerly known as revert parole). You are limited to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, and are required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. User did not attempt to explain the removal clearly until the second revert either.
2. , , , , Not assuming good faith by making sudden and unjustified accusations against editors. I have made clear my concerns at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Eurovision including suggestions on how to fix the problems , and have notified other talk pages so a discussion can happen in a central location , , , , . Other editors have not accepted Meowy's interpretation of my actions either , , , and also think they represent a failure to assume good faith . Also engaging in incivility by behaving aggressively and with unneeded hostility, in particular to quote the civility policy, Quoting another editor out-of-context to give the impression that he or she holds views they do not hold, or to malign them, given that the evidence makes clear that I do not hold the views that Meowy has suggested. These actions collectively are applicable to the restriction under Civility supervision (formerly known as civility parole). If you make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, then you may be blocked for a short time of up to one week for repeat offenses.
3. A look through Meowy's edits suggests that he has been repeatedly ignoring his editing restrictions on other pages as well. These include violation of 1 revert per week restriction on Azerbaijan with , . Failure to assume good faith and personal attacks at User talk:MarshallBagramyan . Severe incivility on Talk:Armenian Highland , particularly, to quote the civility policy again, Rudeness: insults, name-calling and excessive sarcasm and Using derogatory language towards other contributors or, in general, referring to groups such as social classes, nationalities, ethnic groups, religious groups, or others in a derogatory manner. It is clear that another user was offended by such comments and Meowy's response shows that he has not acknowledged the damage that such comments make to Misplaced Pages and the editing environment .

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
Not applicable, Meowy was warned about conduct like this when the sanctions were placed originally, further warnings are not required in the remedy.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
Meowy has been blocked a total of five times for violation of editing restrictions, this excludes overturned blocks or block setting adjustment. . According to the editing restrictions Enforcement: Violations of limitations, supervision, or bans imposed by the remedies in this case may be enforced by brief blocks of up to a week in the event of repeat violations. After 5 blocks the maximum block period shall increase to one year. If any block is given the exact time is down to the discretion of administrators, however it is clear from the block log that short blocks have failed to correct Meowy's behaviour. A topic ban may also be appropriate as many Eurovision Song Contest articles, such as Eurovision Song Contest 2009, would come under articles which relate to the region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area as Meowy's conduct suggests that disallowing him to continue editing such articles should be considered.

Additional comments by Camaron · Christopher · talk:
Lida Vorig (talk · contribs) is also under editing restrictions () from the same Arbitration Committee case and has violated them by also failing to assume good faith . While the evidence suggests that Lida Voring's behaviour has not been as severe as Meowy's, particularly less aggressive, Lida Voring should probably be warned that such comments are not assuming good faith, and that making such accusations without evidence disrupts dispute resolution and can also be considered incivil.

Note that I am an administrator myself, but have not taken any enforcement action as I would be considered an 'involved administrator' for this remedy.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:
Notification of Meowy, notification of Lida Vorig.

Discussion concerning Meowy

Statement by Meowy

Additional comments by User:AlexandrDmitri (User talk:AlexandrDmitri)

I endorse Camaron's statement as a party who attempted to interpret the purpose behind the tag. Meowy has again responded asserting bad faith on Camaron's behalf, citing issues of ownership of the page, understanding of the purpose of tagging, and questioning Camaron's role as an administrator.

Comments by other editors

Result concerning Meowy

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• The evidence here seems quite clear. I note the 1RR violation mentioned at Camaron's point number one and severe violations of AGF and CIV as exemplified by points two and three. The edit warring at Azerbaijan seems a bit too stale to act upon, but the rest of the examples are quite recent.
• Meowy blocked for a month (the violations aren't so egregious as to go higher, though I understand that the maximum in this case is a year). I shall decline to topic ban for the time being, but one should go into effect if this comes up again.
• Lida Vorig notified to remember to assume good faith. NW (Talk) 22:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)