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Misleading edit summary

This edit has a misleading edit summary and can be considered vandalism since you removed important information. Please refrain from making such edits otherwise you will get blocked. Thanks Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 16:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

According to a source in the entry, those shirt designs do exist and can be verified by this image gallery -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You still removed information about shirt designs backed up by reliable sources such as the Haaretz. You even removed designs verified by the gallery You're close to violating WP:3rr and what is worse you are removing sourced information, so I suggest you stop reverting and start using the talk page. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 16:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I did say what I had to say to you and I will say it again. You need to stop removing sourced information, go check the sources, not everything has to have picture evidence. That is a child in the crosshair, a design you removed from the article as well. The other is a mosque, note the crescent moon on top. You misconstrue my posts as bullying and threats and that needs to stop. But I apologize for saying that you were close to violating the 3rr, I thought your first edit was a revert. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You need to stop removing sourced information. Even if it comes from one source. The information you removed is verifiable and is based a RS. Please stop. Nableezy (talk) 17:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Editing restrictions

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PhilKnight (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Greetings

Hey there. You know, I am still fresh and new here. Simply could not stand the partial perspective and miscoverage the article provides. However, it is a long and hard process. You simply cannot change the world instantly, can you? It is simply impossible to wage war on all the fronts. So, I started with what I see most important. Casualties, disputed figures, psy war. Later, the intlaw issues. I see there is at least one subject we see the same. I kindly ask you, though you do not have to comply, if you see another issue where we have similar opinions, insert a sentence so I would know I am not alone here. Cheers.Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 12:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

IDF efforts to reduce civilian casualties/Disputed figures subsection

1. Next phase of the 'disputed figures' should be inserting this: 'Mounting evidence indicates that during Operation Cast Lead (and in ordinary times) members of Hamas’s internal security forces served as commanders and operatives in Hamas’s military wing (Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades).' http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/site/html/search.asp?sid=13&pid=104&numResults=2&isSearch=yes&isT8=yes. What do you say?

2. What do you say about the section I started? Man, IDF made some innovations to spare lives, and so far only negative aspects are inserted. What do you think about Kemp? The reason I brought him in was not because X or Y say something pleasant to me ears, but because the man was a high-rank officer, a commander of British forces in N. Ireland and Afghanistan. He is not a politician, he has all the expertise to make military judgement. Am I wrong here?Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Cremonezi

Hi. Didn't follow all the discussion there, but I wrote there what I think. He is not helpful for casualties section. But evidencies he collected and recorded could be more than helpful elsewhere. For example, the Hamas' intimidation of the population can be easily entered into Hamas' psy-war section I created: 'It was difficult to get these testimonials. In general, fear of Hamas prevails'; 'Those who recount a different version than the story imposed by the “Muhamawa” (the resistance) is automatically an “Amil,” a collaborator and is risking his life...Locals are often threatened by Hamas.'

Hamas using civilian population as human shields: 'they wanted the to shoot at the houses so they could accuse them of more war crimes. ... Practically all of the tallest buildings in Gaza that were hit by Israeli bombs, like the Dogmoush, Andalous, Jawarah, Siussi, and many others, had rocket launching pads on their roofs, or were observation decks for the Hamas.'

Hamas using medical facilities, hospitals and of course reprisal attacks on Fatah - it should all be spread around the article. http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/01/28/cremonesi-article-in-english/. Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 12:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

New name

According to the 2008-2009 Israel/Hamas conflict discussion, the name will likely change to "Gaza War." I think "Gaza War political violence" is a much better title than "2009 Hamas political violence." And then we can change the lead to something like "A series of attacks against Fatah...." instead of opening with "Gaza War political violence" because that sounds awkward. I still prefer reprisal attacks though. Wikifan12345 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

User Page

I was a probably a bit too bold, but I wrote something on your userpage so that it doesn't come up as red when you sign your name. I'm sorry if you preferred it to be red. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well then, I'm afraid I really screwed up. I think even if you blank it now, it will still remain blue. I'll try to contact an admin and see if anything can be done. Maybe you can move your name to "No More Mr. Nice Guy" (with the period after "Mr"). I did not dream that you preferred it remain red. Please forgive me.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for forgiving me. And I thought you weren't a nice guy! I'll try to contact admins and see if it can made red again, but the two admins that I had in mind are off-line for the next 5-6 hours. I'll contact them when they get on. Btw, just curious, why do you want a red userpage?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Of course. The big nerd that I am, I was unaware of what's cool. A thought just popped into my head: You can color your signature red. Is that an idea? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, knock yourself out at my userpage. I'm happy to see you're cool again. I hope the time spent in blue link land did not totally kill your street cred. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 11:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You need to ask an admin to delete your user page. Such requests are normally honored- see this. You can place a {{db-u1}} template on the page, and it will be taken care of. NoCal100 (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

No need to worry

I'm not in your head, but we may think alike because of similar circumstances. I was also nice once, but now I'm satisfied with just not being an asshole. I hope you haven't become a cynic like me. I hate cynics. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 00:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hamas military activity

Hi. I need an honest opinion on the subject. Do you think info I provided is udeful or useless? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sceptic Ashdod (talk • contribs) 15:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

No, you misunderstood. I know we share the same opinion anout the police issue, I am asking you about another isse, section 15. Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

And what about Hamas tactics - removing uniform, commandeering ambulances, suicide attacks, putting launching pads on the roofs of the buildings? All of these are hardly mentioned, if at all.Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

No more mr nice guy!

well you are a tool my friend. A tool fan that is. I am glad that you enter and exit certain articles, like the baseline does in Tool songs. You must be a drummer. Well, let me tell you my friend, that Wiki does not need you at all in project like I/P conflict. But, we have great opportunities for growth, in areas like Star Trek Oral Sex Child Support and all types of offshoots that you can imagine. Please, feel free to investigate around and leave I/P for ever. Thank you, have a terrible time at the poker tables. Cryptonio (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Equilibristics with the occupation definition

It is interesting to note that Amnesty provides the reader with the definition: 'Article 42 of the Hague Regulations defines occupation: “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.” In such situations, the occupying power “shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.” (Hague Regulations, Article 43).' Nevertheless, they are firm in their verdict that Israel is the occupying power in the Gaza Strip. Funny, isn't it? --Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 11:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

AFD for 2009 Israel Defense Forces T-shirt affair

Would you be willing to file an AFD? Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Stalking

Okay, I was trying to assume good faith, but now it's quite obvious. You just reverted an edit I made to Moses Montefiore Windmill claiming there was no source for the name Jaffa Gate Mill, even though there was. This being after you showed up to Tawfiq Canaan, Present absentee and List of native plants of Palestine (A-D) (all quite obscure articles), it's clear to me that you are following me. I'm asking you to stop. Right now. If I see you editing directly after me at another page again, I will report you to WP:AE for stalking. K? Tiamut 17:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to ask you for the record, do you or have you ever had another account at Misplaced Pages? Tiamut 17:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have nor did I ever have another account, nor am I stalking you. Feel free to report me for stalking right now. What's the source for "Jaffa Mill Gate"? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Of course I can back up the accusation, otherwise it would not be made. See User:Tiamut/No More for an outline of how I came to this conclusion. I think it would be best for you to admit that you have been following me around, and commit to not doing it anymore. There is really no other explanation for your edits between July 20 and July 30th. Every single one is one an article that I was either developing heavily previously or had just made an edit to. Its disingenous for you to pretend there is an alternate explanation.

I won't be reporting right now. I've given you what I consider a final warning. Do not follow me anymore. Okay? Tiamut 21:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The fact that every single one of your edits over the last ten days have been to articles I edited either directly before you did or that I had been working on extensively previously is no coincidence No More Mr Nice Guy. I've given you two warnings now, and if you edit directly after me at an article you have not edited previously again, I will file the report. This is not a threat. It's a fair warning. Take it or leave it. There are thousands of I-P articles, thousands of which I have not touched. I'm sure it will be easy to find some. The ball is in your court. Tiamut 23:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I won't be bullied into filing a report No More Mr Nice Guy. They are time-consuming and a waste of energy (just like this discussion). I've said what I want to say and you do what you want to do, and we'll see what happens in the future. Happy editing. Tiamut 23:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

More on HRWs criticism

If you are at it, try this article. And don't forget to mention other nice fellows... --Sceptic from Ashdod 02:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

3rr

that is your 3rd revert on Palestinian right of return. nableezy - 15:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

No, it's my second revert. Your next revert will be your 3rd though.

If you want to discuss the wording, take it to talk. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, no, your first edit on the page was a revert. nableezy - 15:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, my first edit was not a revert.
Also, in the future, I'd appreciate it if you returned the courtesy and did not delete sections I open on your talk page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it was, you removed anothers work, that is a revert. It doesnt matter if you use undo. (and Ill remove what I feel like) nableezy - 15:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair warning, continue edit warring and AN3 is my next stop. nableezy - 20:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

and again at 3 reverts on the same page. nableezy - 14:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

and now 3 reverts on Arab Capital of Culture. nableezy - 17:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Administrative question

Hi No More Mr Nice Guy! It is certainly not a welcome step, and a deviation from the spirit of a certain "remedy"/ban, but I don't know if it's sanctionable. Depends on the other circumstances. Firstly, you should notify/remind the user putting up the materials on their talk page of the ban/arbitration case before proceeding, as well as the user picking up the materials. If I were the admin making the decision, I'm mostly look on the nature of the materials—those meant exclusively to push a point of view vs. actually informative and valuable materials. However, it's usually not up to a single administartor to decide based on subjective things like that. If you believe that the user(s) in question crossed the line, after sending them both a notice, feel free to open a WP:ANI case and I'll give it my opinion. —Ynhockey 22:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

on UN partition

we have dangerous history rewriting on the page Partition of Palestine by Nableezy and Harlan. Help out against it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.147.2 (talk) 20:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Second Lebanon War

True, I added 6 paragraphs but all of my information was thoroughly researched, cross-referenced, sourced and even double sourced. They were factually correct. In any event, the reader can refer to the source and make his own assessment as to its veracity and reliability. By reverting the entire edit, The Site Administrator, Fayssalf, substituted the reader's judgment with his own, thus depriving the reader of making his own informed decision. This is an abuse of power and represents censorship in its worst form. As an aside, the sources were from mainstream papers including, Associated Press, Ynet, JPost, Haaretz, Yalibnan, among others. --Jiujitsuguy (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)jiujitsuguy--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I'm new to Wiki and this was my first edit. I am not done with this article. How to you suggest I challange Fayssalf's (site administrator's) reversions? --Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)jiujitsuguy--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

paradise now

what brought you to that article to restore the edit of a banned user? nableezy - 01:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

since you have not answered let me give you some things to read. You can start here and while you have the time also take a look at this. Try not to do either of those things in the future. nableezy - 17:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If you want to accuse me of something, go right ahead. Otherwise, I'm not inclined to have chit chat with someone who told me to get lost when I asked for a courtesy. This will be the last time I respond to you here unless there's a specific administrative issue.

Bye bye. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought the links would make clear what it is I am accusing you of. Wikihounding and editing on behalf of a banned user. And if you continue with such behavior I will take the issue to arbitration enforcement. Bye. nableezy - 17:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I categorically deny your accusation. I believe that if you thought you could prove it, you'd have already gone to arbitration enforcement. I shall continue to edit as I see fit. Adios. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Deny all you like, but the reason I dont go to AE is that I dont feel one article is big enough an issue to go through the process. Just dont do it anymore. nableezy - 17:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

In other words, you don't have a case. That's what I thought.

I shall continue to edit as I see fit. Please stop repeatedly threatening me with administrative action you can't follow through with. I'm sure there's some rule against that sort of behavior too. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I do have a case, and combined with Tiamut's it is pretty strong. If on any future article that you have never edited before you show up right after me I will take that case to AE. That isnt a threat, it isnt a warning, just a fact. Edit as you see fit, but do not go through my contributions to further whatever arguments you think we have. nableezy - 18:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I encourage both you and Tiamut to take your "case" to the proper venue. But I think we all know you won't because you don't have one.
Thanks for the tip about editing an article you never edited before. Have a look at this and then go read WP:HOUND.
Are we done here? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope, because there is a pretty big difference. The 4th Geneva Convention article is a major topic that many, many people who edit in the topic are have watchlisted so it would be very difficult for you to say anybody followed you there. But Paradise Now is an article on a movie that people rarely edit. And you also went there to reinstate the edit of a banned user. I have many human rights articles on my watchlist even if I have not edited them. But I highly doubt you had Paradise Now on yours, I doubt you even saw the movie or read a single source about it, I doubt you have even read the article. You went there for the sole purpose of reverting my edit and reinstating the edit of a banned user. There is the difference. And like I said, 1 more time and I will go to the next step in solving the issue. The idea here is to get you to stop such behavior before it becomes necessary for an admin to stop you from continuing with such actions. nableezy - 19:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You're really reaching now. You'd tell AE that you highly doubt I've seen the movie? That's your case?
We're done. Your little threat has been duly noted. Ma salameh. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I would tell AE that you edited an article for the first time to reinstate the edit of a banned user immediately after me and did so twice. I would then show them your history of following Tiamut around. But that isnt the point, I am just asking you not to follow me around. Ending up on obscure articles just to revert me give that impression. Please just stop doing so. Aint that complicated. nableezy - 19:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Either one of you can feel free to tell me to shove off, but how about this: what if, without anyone admitting any wrongdoing, you both agree in principle to avoid, whenever possible, the other? Is that fair/useful? I speak as one who has been often followed... oh, and I have seen Paradise Now, and can't really see the big deal in terms of your disagreement. The whole topic area is fraught enough without obsessing over minutiae, yes? IronDuke 19:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

That would be great. The only problem is that Nableezy seems to patrol every single article in the IP space. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, be that as it may, if he agreed to avoid you on articles he had not yet edited (regardless of watchlist status), would you do the same? IronDuke 20:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree not to edit an article he has made major edits to. Like I said, he seems to be on almost every article in the IP space, and he's been here for a while. He's probably made at least a single edit to hundreds of articles. I can't agree to exclude articles just because he may have reverted someone there once upon a time. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, what about agreeing not to directly revert him on a new article? Edit away, but try not to undo his edits? IronDuke 20:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I can live with that if he agrees to do the same. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

done. nableezy - 01:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks to both of you. IronDuke 01:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)