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Still got a problem with Transformers character pages

Hi, I re-made my changes to the pages Optimus Prime and Megatron. Although I do know that the pages are mostly about the G1 incarnations of the characters due to page length issues, the non-disambiguated names of the articles imply that the articles are about the characters in general, not the G1 incarnations as they are currently.

However, the articles only acknowledge very, very briefly at the end that other incarnations of the characters exist.

On the other hand, the page on Spider-Man is mainly about his comic-book incarnation. However, the page has an "other media" section that gives a link to the Spider-Man in other media page, similar to the "Other incarnations" sections of the Transformers pages, and also gives brief details on Spidey's other media appearances. This is despite the fact that, for example, the movie version of Spidey is in a different continuity from the normal comic version, just as the different versions of Optimus are in separate continuities.

I therefore find that the Transformers pages should do the same in order to preserve neutrality and to go a bit better with the article names, although I do acknowledge that it was a bit much when I put the image of the ROTF poster on Prime's page. If you disagree with this, I'd appreciate any help with how to make it not seem as if the G1 characters are the "main" and "superior" versions of the characters. Thanks!--Eh! Steve (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

"One image per character is justified"

The article is about one character. Therefore, it should have one image. However, I have stretched to two because of the importance of the 2007 movie. Any further images need to pass all ten criteria of WP:NFCC, and these clearly don't. Black Kite 17:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I had this talk with man admins before, and we all came to the conclusion that these guys are 5 different characters from different TV series who shared a name. One pic EACH was allowed (plus the free image of the car). Mathewignash (talk) 17:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Could you point out this conversation, please, as if an admin did say that, they were wrong. WP:NFC and NFCC are very clear that multiple non-free images in list articles are deprecated. I removed the free image by mistake, and have left it in now.Black Kite 17:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

This was over a year ago, I don't have a link. What makes you think that Beast Wars Inferno, G1 Inferno and the movie Inferno are the same characters? They look different, have different personalities, different abilities, etc. Limited it to ONE is rediculous. Mathewignash (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll be quite clear about this - if you continue to revert articles to re-insert non-free images against our image policies, you may be blocked. Black Kite 17:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Please STOP and let me look up the conversation before you remove more pics. Thanks Mathewignash (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

OK - I would be interested to see it. Black Kite 17:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

If they're different characters, why do they share an article? J Milburn (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Simply for convienance sake. Sometimes when a page justifies it by being too large we do split the page into two or three (like Starscream or Bumblebee). Two character share a name on occasion. This is because HASBRO owns trademark on certain names and recycles their use every few years to keep ownership of them. However, no one has ever argued that they are the same person. Mathewignash (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

If they are different characters, they should not be listed together just because they share a name. This is a terrible idea. If characters are to be listed, they should be listed by media (as in, list of characters in X series or list of characters in Y film) not because they happen to share a name. J Milburn (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Policy

Removing all the ones that fail any criteria of WP:NFCC, notably WP:NFCC#1, WP:NFCC#3a and WP:NFCC#8. Black Kite 02:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

1 is not a concern, we have established there is NO non-free replacement. Neither is #8 a concern as an article ABOUT a character would certainly seem to have a picture of them be relivant. As for #3a, minimal usage only seems to apply if one picture could cover for another. I agree with this. If I had one picture of the Beast Wars Inferno TOY in "robot" mode, and another of the Beast Wars Inferno toy in ant mode, then I could replace them with a single picture. Additionally I could even see that I don't need a picture of THE SAME character as a toy, from a comic book, and in a TV series. However, you have done nothing to prove that one character's picture can adequitely replace another because they are different characters with the same NAME. What does a picture of a heroic robot fire truck from a 1984 TV series tell us about a evil ant pyromaniac from a 1992 TV series exactly? Mathewignash (talk) 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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Inferno (Transformers)

I'm not sure what you want here. The images were removed because it had been reviewed and the images were deemed inappropriate- you then add the images back without any explanation, but add back the tag, saying the article needs reviewing? Are you aware of the ridiculousness of that action? J Milburn (talk) 13:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The article needs talk about the pictures. That's what I'm going for. Thanks! Mathewignash (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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Mrbean1000

Please don't reissue final warnings. You have already issued three final warnings for this user, and he has even been blocked. In the future, if he gets back at it, the thing to do is file a request for administrator intervention on vandalism. I had just filed one and it got denied because the user hadn't vandalized after "the last final warning" (yours). --uKER (talk) 21:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, I finally got him indefinitely blocked. For the procedure, see my report here. --uKER (talk) 00:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Blackout/Grindor

What is with this edit in which you added stuff about Blackout's parts being used to rebuild Megatron and make him "indistructible"? --uKER (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was reverting some fanfic nonsense, and didn't revert to the right line. Mathewignash (talk) 00:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Good thing. I had worried for a minute there. --uKER (talk) 01:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Transformers

I get that you're a fan of the franchise, but you really go way too far with these characters. You attempt to save the most minor of characters, you stonewall any attempts at improving the ones that should be kept, and you generally seem to treat this as a fansite. You just are not in line with the policies and guidelines of this site. At most, ten or fifteen of the characters need articles. The rest need to be placed into their proper lists and improved from there. I really suggest that, if you don't already, you start editing the

I think we will disagree on this one. Just post your opinions, I'll post mine, and let the mods and members voice opinions. Mathewignash (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

This isn't about agreeing and disagreeing. This is about how to properly manage information on this site. WP:N requires secondary sources to provide "signifcant coverage" for all articles, and the majority of these characters cannot possibly even begin to reach that point. The main characters are filled with plot information, original research, trivia, and other unnecessary details that need to be summed up much more briefly. You obviously don't like that, which is why I'm suggesting that you leave the character information for the Transformers wiki and just focus on getting something like one of the animated series to featured article status or something. TTN (talk) 01:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)