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User talk:Mwanner/Archive 1

Images

Thumbnails are preferable because they allow people to load pages quickly, and only look at full-size pictures if they want to. Speaking as someone who often uses a dial-up connection, I'm particularly aware of this; there's nothing more infuriating than having to wait as a page full of bloated images slowly loads, before you can edit it, check the references, etc. (The pop-culture articles tend to be worse; the more ephemeral and talentless the "artist", the bigger the pictures seem to to have to be.) --Mel Etitis (??? ??????) 21:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Nice work!

Your edits to Mary Jemison were beautiful. I had that one on my "to do" list for a while, knowing that it needed more. You really helped shape that article up! --Jacqui M Schedler 23:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Lists of natives

If you feel that there is some good detail on any one of the half dozen or so different lists of Natives of the Americas that we have, please feel free to move it into the primary articles, but guaranteeing redundancy doesn't actually help anyone find information on Misplaced Pages. -Harmil 11:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

I missed the extra on Industrial Revolution, was just about to fix it! --Pgk 20:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Irish people

Thanks for the spelling and images, Mwanner! Its a big help and is appreciated! Fergananim 00:39, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Skyline Drive

Something has happened to the image you placed in the Skyline Drive article. Could we get it back? Vaoverland 11:58, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Spectacular photo. Vaoverland 12:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

John A. Roebling

Thanks for the additions to the Roebling biography. Not sure if you're a Knoch grad or not, but Goldinger's book is the most complete recording of Saxonburg history that I've read, and I had him as a Geography teacher a long time ago. Thanks a lot for incorporating it into the article. - McCart42 (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Newbie Mistake

You do not revert when someone has made several more additions. The people I removed do not fit in with the Irish ethnicity, they are majority non-Irish and are not notable for Irish ancestry. The list is a list of Notable people of Irish decent. Although those people are notable, they are not notable as far as Irish ancestry goes, and do not belong on the selected list. If you want a list of anyone with any Irish blood in them, then the list would be very long. The list is meant though not to be just of any blood, but people are are apart of the Irish ethnicity, which is what the page is about. The list you want to create does not fit in with what the page is about. So allow my new additions which do fit in to remain, and keep out those I removed which do not belong. Thank you. 64.108.199.247 04:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

bird illustrations

I haven't tagged any images "unknown" for months. When I did so, I always contacted the user. Thanks though. – Quadell 00:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks, source is 1905, on line at jimfbleak 05:43, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Shortening the New York History summary

Hi, Mwanner,

I watched with amusement as various editors struggled with {{See|New York History]] for quite a few days. It was introduced quite a while ago, apparently as an effort to take a big chunk of information out of the New York article, and put it into an individual article.

followed by a short summary of the article in question. A short summary. That's the hard part.

I struggled and strained to reduce the size of that article, which, by the way, is in need of some sprucing up. (More about that later.) Finally, I got the "summary" down to under 300 words. It really would be better if the summary were in the 100 to 200 word range, but it gets harder and harder as it gets smaller.

Then I saw you had made it "shorter", so I took a look at it to see what violence had been done to it. Whew! I was pleasantly surprised to see that you made it quite a bit better, if only 15 words shorter. Your problem, which is the same one I faced, was in balancing the need to provide useful information, such as that the Indian refugees went to Canada, with the need for brevity. I'm a little worried about POV in the article, too, since the summary goes on at some length regarding the shabby treatment of the Indians at the hands of the American colonists.

Now that the summary has been written, its true service to Misplaced Pages begins: all new efforts to provide detailed amplification of the fine points of New York State history can be very usefully added to the "History" article, with perhaps a word or two in the summary. The existence of the pair of resources (summary and full article) ensures that the "urban sprawl" of articles won't be a problem, at least for this part of this one article.

Which brings me to the sprucing-up. In the New York History article, there is are decidedly unwikilike things, such as "this is a stub to be filled in later" or words to that effect, and some HTML-gone-awry here and there. Plenty of work for all of us!

--GraemeMcRae 17:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism of Battle of the Little Bighorn

OK, why did you feel that, given your other positive contributions, that it was a good idea to vandalize attle of the Little Bighorn? N0YKG 14:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

As the Edit summary said, it was an "rv v". I don't have a real clear recollection, but I think it was one of those times that the edit histories get out of synch, so you don't get the one you're trying to rv to, but one near it? Anyway, thanks for fixing it. -- Mwanner | Talk 15:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Catskill Forest Preserve

There's really no need for a separate article on the state lands within the Catskill Park; it can be best dealt with by a merge as I've suggested on the article itself. Daniel Case 17:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. Done. -- Mwanner | Talk 19:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm impressed.

Actually, I have also been thinking that what we do need in that vein is a Forest Preserve (New York) article which would encompass both the Adirondacks and the Catskills and explain Article 14 (and possibly its amendment history) and what it means. It would certainly eliminate the duplication of that history/explanation in the Adirondack State Park and Catskill State Park articles.

While we're at it, let's move both those to "Catskill Park" and "Adirondack Park." "State" is not part of their official names, whatever some mapmakers think. They are not state parks and not run like them. Daniel Case 02:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, on both counts. I never liked the "state park" in the two titles. I'll leave both tasks to you, if that's OK? You might want to consider leaving a brief thumbnail of the Forest Preserve story in both articles with a Main Article-type link.

Have fun. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Mentioned your name on Jimbo Wales Talk Page

I just wanted to let you know, out of courtesy, that I mentioned you name on Jimbo Wales Talk, as the author of a(n) (in)famous part of the existing copyright page.

I originally incorrectly thought Splash was the author.

Here is the link: Fair use for TEXT--what is the policy?

Preview

Mea culpa! Will do that more! Trollderella 20:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up about Fair Use link

I'm not sure if you're watching Misplaced Pages Talk:Copyright problems, but I've been doing some work on this stuff and I'm proposing an addition of a Fair Use link to the sentence that started all this, as well as a proposed rewrite of the WP Fair Use policy. Let me know if you see any problems (other than the one User:howcheng presents, below, which opens up another small can of worms (sigh). TIA, --Mwanner | Talk 15:05, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I will watch the copyright page closer...Actually I havent watched the page much because your arguments were so well argued, I decided that I had lost in some key points, honestly! Thanks for the heads up and great suggestion!--Travb 15:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Native Americans

Yes, definitely, the substantive disambiguation still needs to be done. The piping is just a first step to get the links more organized. --Russ Blau (talk) 16:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Skipanon River

Mwanner,

Can you cite the copyvio sources of the Skipanon River article that User:71.111.146.208 copied from? It makes it easier when dealing with such matters.

WikiDon 17:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Do you think that when he comes back the messages that we left will scare him off? I always hope that they will come back and see it as a challenge to fix it, but some of them run away instead. WikiDon 19:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Mwanner,

Not running, just a bit puzzled and hoping for a cite on any "copyvio". Text that was not mine came from non-copyrighted sources.

1) State of Oregon ODFW and DEQ reports (no copyrights listed, paid for and published with public monies, re-printed with no copyright listings in Oregonian and other local newspapers all the time).

2) Lewis & Clark journal entires. Created in 1805 (200 years ago) and reprinted in the 1820's. A bit out of even the new copyright time periods.

3) Oregon Pioneer interviews from the turn of the 19th century, in public domain.

4) OSPRIG public press release - no copyright (http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id2=17753&id3=OR), reprinted in newspapers. If copyrighted, OSPRIG would love data to be re-printed.

5) Skipanon Watershed report text. As land owner and part of the Skipanon Watershed, I can assure you these are okay to use.

Please re-set wiki to my work unless there is a problem I do not understand (being my first wiki).

LH - 4 November 2005

Mwanner,

You wrote:

OK. You're right about #2 and #3, no problem. But you might have to do some legwork (well, email work) to get to keep the rest. Under current copyright law, any published text is automatically copyrighted, and no copyright notice is required. An author has to take an active step to avoid copyright-- explicitly placing the work in the public domain, or licencing it under a GFDL or equivalent licence. So for sources #1, #4 and #5, you would need to get something in writing from them releasing the text for use on Misplaced Pages and reuse by any of our mirror sites. My guess is, you'd have mixed results at best. I need to do some hunting to find just what you would need-- I'll try to get to it tomorrow.

I've checked on #1 with an attorney, sadly not a copyright attorney, for now he states published state reports in Oregon do not normally carry a "reprint permission needed" requirement. I will check further. On #4, I can contact them (or wait until they hit me up for my yearly donation). #5, I've contacted another member of the Skipanon Watershed group, two yeses should carry the vote.

But, understand, it is the language that you have used from these sources that is a problem (as per above), but the facts aren't. If you rewrite the material in your own words, you're home free-- no copyright issues at all. That's what I would recommend-- you'd probably end up with a better article, and you'd be bound to learn something in doing it (and improve your writing skills while you're at it). But either approach is OK. I'll get you more info tomorrow.

Thank you. Yes, I can see for plainly copyrighted texts a rewrite of the factual material is the way to go. If any of these don't "clear", that'll be the way.

Meanwhile, you might want to look at Misplaced Pages:Copyrights, Misplaced Pages:Copyright FAQ and if you want more, any of the articles in Category:Copyright law. Or better still, ignore all that and start the rewrite.

I did check those... ouch! I do _not_ want to get into that mix of what's-right-what's-wrong-what-we-don't-know! Fair use, international, etc. etc. I'll let those more invested in Misplaced Pages fight, er, sort that out.

Cheers! (and I'm sorry to jump all over your first major effort here. Don't feel bad-- a lot of us have made the assumptions you're making when we started out here.) -- Mwanner | Talk 03:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, that was a bit iffy. I've been online for three decades, so there's no jumping over or flaming bothers me these days. But I can see if I was a newbie and saw the work pulled (or for them just "gone") without some better notes of explanation, or even pointers to notes, it may have been my first - and last - bit of Wikiing. As WikiDon stated, "...some of them run away instead." That said, if it wasn't for your and others efforts in maintaining Misplaced Pages, it wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today. Thanks!

Now off to find the NPR interview about Misplaced Pages my attorney just told me he heard.

LH --71.111.146.208 11:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

John Wayne

A little trigger happy there were you? Did you read what I wrote at User talk:69.172.48.138? WikiDon 19:16, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:American World War II veterans

Should we split this category to a Category:Living American World War II veterans? -St|eve 19:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I assume you mean because it's kinda large? The Living/Dead split has a couple of disadvantages-- 1. the opposite of the category you propose above doesn't have a real charming ring to it: Category:Dead American World War II veterans and, 2. we'd have to remember to change the category every time we find out that one has died (though granted, you'd have to edit in the dod anyway).

I think it might be better to divide it by military branch. It's not an area I work in a lot though. -- Mwanner | Talk 20:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Page protection of Misplaced Pages:Copyrights

Hi. I notice that you were the last person to edit Misplaced Pages:Copyrights before it was protected. Any idea who protected it or why? How to get it unprotected? I ask because I am the second person to ask (on the Talk page) for a link from Misplaced Pages:Copyrights to Misplaced Pages:Fair use. The first was back in mid-September, mine yesterday. There has been no response to either. Where does one take a question like this? Why doesn't the Talk page cover the decision to protect the page? Why doesn't the edit history even show the protection going on (and who did it)?

Sorry to lay all this in your lap. I'd be happy to take it elsewhere if I could figure out where to go with it.

TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 02:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You are mistaken. I was not the last person to edit Misplaced Pages:Copyrights before it was protected.

I was the last person to edit Misplaced Pages:Copyrights after it was protected.

That page has been protected for so long it doesn't even show in the current protection log (which AFAIK was introduced around 2004). Of course, if you want the rationale for the protection, it is, as expected, at Misplaced Pages:Protected page (listed as permanently protected for legal reasons).

If you need to change a permanently protected page like that one, the best course of action would be to contact an administrator (or post to the noticeboard). Which is exactly what you did without noticing ?. I added the link to the "See also" section; I'm wary of touching the text itself.

--cesarb 03:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Alexander McGillivray

Howdy. The image you added to Alexander McGillivray is probably not him. The man in that portrait is usually identified as Hopoithle Mico (or Hoboithle Mico), a Creek leader often a political adversary of McGillivray. (The image is identified as Hopoithle Mico in Tecumseh by John Sugden and A Spirited Resistance by Gregory Dowd). ((online example)) I suspect the website where you got the image mistook "Hoboithle Mico" for McGillivray's supposed Creek name. I've never seen a portrait of McGillivray; unfortunately there may not be any. --Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 15:31, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

User 198.70.42.52

You deleted my report of User:198.70.42.52 at Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Just curious-- why? TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 23:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The vandal had stopped many hours ago see contributions. You are supposed to list them here when they are currently committing the act. Maybe the edit-summary I used threw you off; I should have explained (but I used the roll back button). Sorry, wont happen again. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 23:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)