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Health effects of tobacco

Interested in putting together a Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Tobacco?

I'm not, but I think it would be a worthwhile project to have to bring all the articles relating to tobacco, from a taxonomic, cultural, medical, and commercial viewpoint, under the supervision of one project. Please let me know if you're interested. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm interested. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Great! Put your name down and see if you can recruit a few other people, and I'll help get the project approved and rolling! bd2412 T 05:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. My roster of people who work on this series is: MastCell, Nmg20, Peter Isotalo, and Vuo—if you want to inform them. I hope this helps. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Cheers again! bd2412 T 05:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:DOI

Hello... saw your edit summary regarding the template and the lack of protection. FYI, I've added it to a list of templates for full-time protection, along with the other related ones. Please let me know if I've missed anything, or if any issues arise. Cheers. --Ckatz_spy 18:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm planning on adding a feature giving the option of not showing the "edit" button, the template's subpages usually shouldn't be tampered with. This is where the citation data is stored, it's its were the edit button leads to. A bot takes care of all the editing, and only rarely does it need assistance from editors. Whether this entails semi-protection as well is beyond me. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi C+C, I was the "offending party" as it were. I'm not all that familiar with cite doi (in fact I had to look up the template). Is there a right/wrong way to do it? Thanks - Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 04:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. If I was a vandal, I could completely rewrite everything below where the {{Cite doi}} instance occurred, and it would nearly impossible to detect where it came from because the template is "transcluded", the vandalism won't take place at Global warming, but on Template:Cite doi/10.1073.2Fpnas.0812721106. To further confound the issue, it would also be almost impossible to revert the vandalism because the vandalism wouldn't take place on Global warming. This would be pretty incredible spectacle as we would be completely confounded on how to fix this issue: we wouldn't know which {{Cite doi}} is corrupted, and passing editors who aren't informed of this new procedure will probably end up reverting all to the way back to 2007 to when the article had its last review and when template was not used in the first place as an attempt to fix the problem.

I'm working out the security features right now in a proposal on Talk:Global warming, thread "Cite doi", if you want to comment. I'm sorry if you felt offended, but this is something you need to take seriously; {{Cite doi}} reduces a lot of burden on the editors, but it comes with a lot of responsibility. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, no, I didn't feel offended at all -- note I wrote "offending" rather than "offended" -- just trying to find out what I should have done differently. Your suggestions at Talk:GW look good. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ckatz, I've finished coding and testing the new feature into {{Cite doi}}. If you pass a "noedit" after the doi number, the edit button will now show. The code is on User:ChyranandChloe/Workshop 19, proposal on Template talk:Cite doi, demonstration is below. I can't edit {{Cite doi}} because I'm not an administrator.

• {{User:ChyranandChloe/Workshop 19|10.1073/pnas.0812721106}} yields:
  
• Various, Student Memebership Handbook (PDF), Health Occupations Students of America, retrieved 2009-10-03
• {{User:ChyranandChloe/Workshop 19|10.1073/pnas.0812721106|noedit}} yields:
  
• Various, Student Memebership Handbook (PDF), Health Occupations Students of America, retrieved 2009-10-03

When the code is moved it would be {{Cite doi|10.1073/pnas.0812721106|noedit}} again. Thanks. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

thank you :-)

Hi there, It was very kind of you to welcome me and to give me some direction. I will ask for your help if I need it; I'm sure I will! Have a wonderful day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by R4Rvolunteer (talk • contribs) 18:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You too, remember to sign your posts, its with four tildas ~~~~. Also you got a response on your protection request from an administrator on WP:RPP. ChyranandChloe (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi ChyranandChloe Is there a wiki page that can simply explain and sow expamples of these codes. So that I can add the page as link on User:Dolfrog idiots guide to wiki.

Due to my communication disorder I find most of the WIKI support pages have too much over the top text, and very little basic instructional information. I find the so called WIKI help pages a very alien environment.

dolfrog (talk) 12:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Commented on your talk page. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Misplaced Pages. However, please know that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors on Health effects of tobacco. If you create or edit an article, know that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

• I realize you've been here a while and are probably aware of all this, but it seemed a reminder was in order as you seem to want total control of that article. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand. You know, I disagree with total control. Within one comment, this is now about character, not content. When you template me, Beeblebrox, are you disregarding content in favor of a personal attack? Are you saying that I have not read WP:OWN, and disagree with your assessment? I find your actions disparaging. This is offensive, Beeblebrox. If you are going to echo this label, support your claim. ChyranandChloe (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Replacement

I saw that you replaced the "stochastic effect" paragraph . In my opinion it was a really good idea. --FocalPoint (talk) 21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It's part of lead flow. Explained, for this article, Tobacco smoking, in the layout log here if you want to read it. Some of the questions you've brought up in Health effects of tobacco is actually gone over here. I wasn't sure about the "Vectors" section, it used be called "Risk type" which was then reworked. Furthermore the difference in tobacco products doesn't necessarily entail differences in its effects.(Surgeon general page 25, major conclusion 3) So that's pretty much the news. What do you think about the dispute? ChyranandChloe (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Introduction to viruses archives

• See Misplaced Pages:Cut and paste move repair holding pen#Queried requests. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• See Misplaced Pages:Cut and paste move repair holding pen#Queried requests. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hello ChyranandChloe, I have granted your account rollback in accordance with your request. Please remember that rollback is for reverting vandalism/spam, and that misuse of the tool, either by revert-warring with other users, or simply reverting edits you disagree with, can lead to it being removed. For practice, you may wish to see Misplaced Pages:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 23:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Global warming scepticism, Ian Plimer and his book

I see you have taken an interest in pages concerning global warming before. Your comments at the RfCs on this Talk page would be gratefully accepted. Thanks! ► RATEL ◄ 02:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm going on Wikibreak. Gave you what I had. If you still need or want a response, feel free to ask again. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hepatitis B

Thanks for your research, refs, and revisions regarding the "cure". Despite my sig I'm not actually a doctor, and you were much more thorough and precise than I had been. Well done  :) Doc Tropics 19:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Wonder if they did any follow up research. ChyranandChloe (talk) 01:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Main Page Design

Hey dude.. it's been a while since we last talked back at WP:MPRP, but I was fiddling around with some stuff today after noticing a flaw in my custom main page's coding, and I think I may have stumbled upon a solution for the 2-column problem we faced with the CSS-based main page. If you'll remember, the columns weren't even; if the left column was longer than the right column or vice versa, the two bottom edges wouldn't align like they do in tables.

I had found a method to fix this problem when the left column was longer than the right column (the more common case). To do this, I floated the left column and gave a margin to the right one. Then I added a {{clear}} template to the bottom of the right column, and it magically extended the right column to the bottom of the left if it was longer (even though I think it's because of a browser rendering error... but all browsers seem to work with it haha, so I'm not complaining). Unfortunately, this wouldn't work in the left column because it was floated, so I was stuck.

Well, I think my fiddling earlier today has found a solution for when the right column is longer than the left. In this diff I believe I've fixed the problem. I added a new div after the right column (so that it has been completely loaded when the browser reads the new div) and gave it a position:relative of -600px (so it will work as long as the right column is less than 600px longer than the left.. which is pretty much always) and pretty much made this new div overlap the left column, giving the appearance of one continuous column. When the left column is longer than the right, the new div is simply placed at the bottom of the left column, and the two columns align regardless of which is longer.

I haven't yet tested this on any browser except Firefox 3.5 on Mac OS X (my computer), but I will shortly. I think this could be the key we were looking for to make CSS a viable alternative to tables on the homepage! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Good job! Nice to see you again. I went through the W3C's documentation, looked at the box model. Figured out what was the cause. See borders, margin, and padding are drawn outside the specified width. Now however small these parameters are set, if you keep so as you keep shrinking the page, whatever contingency is specified (49% to 50%, whatever) will become too small hold the two floated objects, so it wraps. The solution was to have two divs: one for position, one for the margin—and then you'd place whatever content inside the second. It's fully compatible. Here's and example. Added some hidden comments.

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 10px of padding, 2px margin to the right

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 10px of padding, 2px margin to the left

I guess you could use relative positioning, though in my opinion that would be the hard way to an easy solution. :P What part of Misplaced Pages did you go to after the MPRP? I saw you on Barack Obama and working infoboxes about historic places. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know what you were trying to show with your example there, but those two boxes show the problem. If you add some dummy text to either of them, making one longer than the other, the shorter box's bottom border doesn't expand down to match the longer one. My solution was focused on relative positioning a new div and overlapping it to make the appearance of one continuous div, allowing the shorter box's bottom border to appear to have lengthened to match the longer one's.

Your boxes with some added dummy text to the left box

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding, 2px margin to the right.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding, 2px margin to the left.

Notice how the right column's bottom border doesn't extend to match the left column's, which doesn't look as good as if the two columns were even. Well, with my code, that problem is fixed.

Your boxes with some added dummy text to the right box

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding, 2px margin to the right.

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding, 2px margin to the left.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

In this example, the right column is longer that the left.

My code when left column is longer than the right

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding. This column is floated left.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Width's 48%, 2px border total, 4px padding. This column is rendered inline with no right float.

Notice how both columns are now even. Yes, the left column's content seemingly disappears, but that's because of the way your talk page is formatted. Because of your formatting, I had to comment out one crucial parameter (z-index) of the overlapped div that makes it render "behind" the first div. It won't work here, but since my main page doesn't have your formatting, it works fine there.

My code when right column is longer than left

Width's 50%, 2px of border total, 4px of padding. This column is floated left.

Width's 48%, 2px border total, 4px padding. This column is rendered inline with no right float.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

So yea.. that's what I figured out today.

Anyway, after the MPRP, I went back to what I had been focusing on before – WP:NRHP for the most part. I've also been active in WP:MS, and was a founding member of WP:HSITES. I've pretty much been doing whatever for the past few months. You can see my user page for what I have been doing/am doing/plan to do. Yea I worked on Obama's articles a bit, but after some conflicts, I decided to stay away haha. What have you been up to? --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh. I was thinking of something else, :P. Why were we against tables again? Well. After MPRP, I went to WP:LAYOUT and worked on virus-related articles (e.g. Ebola, Reston ebolavirus), after some time, looked at tobacco, saw it could be better, created a series, read some epidemiology, went on to Health effects of tobacco, Prevalence of tobacco consumption, then Tobacco smoking. Things slowed, checked out climate-land, read into some disputes. Wrote WP:PROCESS detailing linkage institutions, consensus—how disputes resolve: and what's out there. Understood why style guidelines became so contentious, issues where verifiability is unavailable, editors become little than PoV-pushers, civil PoV-pushers, though not always. Did two studies with WhatamIdoing to resolve verifiability. It worked. New problem. I guess I saw it comming, tobacco can be contentious, got pretty bad, completely confused, thrown off track. Trying to understand, theory, could be tested, but still interested in what you think. Otherwise, it's been an experience. :) ChyranandChloe (talk) 03:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha we were against tables because of the POTD template being in one column now instead of spanning the whole page. It's created with a div, and that div won't have the right width unless the whole column on the main page is a div. Anyway, I was just letting you know I found out how to fix the problem, and I think I have it working in every browser that means anything...

Looks like you and I have been on completely opposite ends of the encyclopedia though haha. Other than my brief stint into Obama articles (that sometimes overlapped tobacco and tobacco-related stuff), I haven't seen your edits since MPRP! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The "colspan" parameter would've fixed that. Yeah, Obama and Nicorette, it was on CNN. I just click Special:Contributions/Dudemanfellabra, and I know exactly what you've been up to. This too. "Presidency_of_Barack_Obama" is way up there. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Nah, colspan wouldn't have worked.. we were trying to set a width to a div that was inside a table, but if it overlapped the edge of the pre-defined table, it would mess up the whole page. Switching to CSS was the only way to do it (or at least the easiest way). And yea I know about the contributions links haha, but I don't really ever watch what people do haha (IMO that's kinda stalker-ish :P). --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The POTD, I remember now. Sigh. The parameter "table-layout" needs to be set to "fixed", this forces the horizontal width to "depends on the table's width and the width of the columns, not the contents of the cells." ChyranandChloe (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Caption.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

........Shit. Hahahaha wow. There was one single freaking parameter out there that solved all my problems, yet I spent like 9823049823409328 years trying to find a workaround. That's messed up haha. Well I wish we could have figured that out back then and made things easier (possibly) for the MPRP, but oh well. I'll try to add that into my main page now I guess.. but crap haha.. I had a completely valid method of evening out columns using CSS only, and now I won't even get to use it.. Sadness :(. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 17:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't get that to work.. I was having to put tables inside of tables and move different settings to different places.. wayyy to complicated when I already have a system that works haha. I think I'll just leave it the way it is. If you want to see what you can do with it, you're more than welcome, but I'm not gonna fool with it anymore. Thanks for that though! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 17:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Done. Shrunk the white-space between the two columns, you can wedge another column between the current two if you want more. Tidied the comments. Tables inside of tables? ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Haha well for some reason, when I tried to do exactly what you did (except using wikitable syntax instead of HTML), it wouldn't work for me... so I figured I had to convert all the divs (like the headers and the content, etc.) into a single table inside a table.. Idk... it just wouldn't work for me haha.. but now I see it works! So thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 05:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the table wikicode, it's imprecise and hard to read when there's a lot of content; but it could be done. Do you to switch? ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Caption.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Haha nah.. I actually just converted the other tables on the page to use HTML syntax, along with adding more space between the columns and aligning all the loose edges (the header was extending farther on each side than the columns). Looks perfect to me now! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

That's good. Web dev has an interesting history on webpage layout. Before CSS margins and padding, a one pixel transparent gif image would resize for margins. Tables was a big thing before CSS2-P (P stands for positioning), which provided absolute and relative positing. Anyways, it looks like you're running out of things to do, Special:Contributions/Dudemanfellabra. ChyranandChloe (talk) 02:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

You creeper haha.. checking my contribs and stuff :P.. Actually I've been pretty busy for the past week or so. I went to Tennessee with some friends to go white water rafting on the Ocoee and the Natahala Rivers, so I haven't had any time to do anything. Also, one of my good friends just came back from spending all summer in California, so I'm gonna be trying to hang out with her some now that she's back. Also, I go back to school in a little over 2 weeks, and I'll be really busy getting moved in/settled for the first few weeks, so I won't be able to do much in the near future. After I get settled in and stuff, I'll probably pick back up haha. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 03:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I'm going to be busy too, traveling. Tennessee, I know a friend who moved in from there; plenty of interesting stories from him. Went to a pizza eating contest, ate four medium pizzas, the next runner up barely made it through two. He was sick afterwards. Yeah, school's coming up, did some summer courses, but it wasn't full time. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Chilling effect

Hi,

as you were involved in the back-and-forth moving of Chilling effect, please have a look at Talk:Chilling_effect. Thank you. --Austrian (talk) 20:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Replied. Wow, that was a long time ago, you sure you got your facts right in a recent back-and-forth moving? ChyranandChloe (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Pinging you because I'm responding to an old thread, so I'm not going to assume that you would notice. Awickert (talk) 05:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Something wrong with Template:Cref2 when n > 2?_2?-2009-09-09T09:24:00.000Z">

Please take a look at the article Enlargement of the United Nations. When n=3, it gives me 4 back links, and when n=4, the back links don't get displayed. Chanheigeorge (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)_2?"> _2?">

Sorry, was on wikibreak, it should be fixed now. If the changes are not immediately apparent, please remember to purge the page cache. If an error remains, I'm interested. Also, added a new feature, value= to allow you to for example change the sequence of the list. For example, by default it'll go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. If you apply the value=4 on the third item, it'll then count 1, 2, 4, 5, 6. Thanks for the note. :) ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your fix! But I notice that every note now becomes "A" at the Notes section. Chanheigeorge (talk) 05:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand, 'every note now becomes "A"'? It looks like it works to me. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Every note now becomes "A. ...". Chanheigeorge (talk) 05:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Internet explorer. Shakes head. It's the value attribute, even though it's passing, well... nothing, IE "assumes" I want the value 1, which well starts every list at one or as you can see A (see docs about the value parameter). I use Google Chrome, so I didn't notice it. I'll get it fixed. Thanks. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

It should be fixed now. Please remember to refresh the page cache. Sigh. ChyranandChloe (talk) 05:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:DERM:MA

We are making a lot of great progress with the Bolognia Push 2009. If you are not currently involved, perhaps consider contributing as we are always looking for more help at the dermatology task force. Feel free to e-mail me for all the details. ---kilbad (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

full stops for refs

Regarding , I don't see anything in WP:FOOTNOTES that says refs have to be after full stops. Can you point out the relevant section, or perhaps you are thinking of a different document? In the current case I don't think it is a big deal, but in the general case I think it is often useful for refs to appear near the clauses that they refer to, especially if there are multiple refs in a given sentence associated with different parts. Dragons flight (talk) 07:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

A full stop is a period or end of the sentence. In the section "Ref tags and punctuation" it states "When a reference tag coincides with punctuation, the reference tag is most commonly placed immediately after the punctuation, except for dashes, as recommended by the Chicago Manual of Style and other style guides. If an article has evolved using predominantly one style of ref tag placement, the whole article should conform to that style unless there is a consensus to change it." Articles should remain internally consistent. Although in some cases placing a reference before the period is acceptable, this article has evolved to place all references after the period (or comma). Placing a reference mid-sentence although acceptable in some cases, is largely unsupported by our manuals of style, it is likewise not predominant in this article. Nice to see you back Dragons flight. It's been a while. ChyranandChloe (talk) 07:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

That section you quote means that when the ref accompanies punctuation then it should usually appear immediately after it, not immediately before. Your quotation says nothing about whether refs should appear mid sentence or at the end of sentence. However, the same section of the referenced document says: "Material may be referenced mid-sentence or at the end of a sentence or paragraph, as needed for clarity." Hence, I would say mid-sentence references are entirely supported within our style guides. Also, this particular article has (by my rough count) 21 mid-sentence references (out of 150 or so, and not counting the two you moved). So, while not dominant, the use of mid-sentence references clearly has been accepted within the article. As I said, I don't think it is a big deal in this particular case, but relocating refs to the end of sentences as a general rule is something I would be generally opposed to. Your edit summary made it sound like there was general rule for placing refs at the end of sentences, and as far as I can tell that is not the case. I'm not really back, but sometimes it is hard to stay away.  ;-) Dragons flight (talk) 08:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I just back from Wikibreak, that's what I meant. You're right, I was thinking of something I read in MLA or APA, but that could be just parenthetical references. I have question, when counting those mid-sentence how many not immediately adjacent to a punctuation (a comma for example, not just periods)? I only counted two (four if you're counting the two I moved). As for those who are immediately adjacent to a punctuation, I think after is predominant or at least has the super-majority. Well that's my two cents on consistency. Acceptable? Yes. Consistent? You tell me. Nice work on the new <references refs="... " />! ChyranandChloe (talk) 17:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)