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Some random thoughts

I hope you did not know that User:Law == User:The undertow when you placed support #43 on Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Law. Your effusive comment creates an appearance which I think it might be good for you to dispel.

When I searched the above page for "Jennavecia", I did not get a hit on your support vote. I then realized that the "J" in your signature was another utf-8 character and searched for "ennavecia". As an admin, and for the sake of transparency, it might be good for your signature to include your username.

Thanks, bye. Jehochman 10:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Information came up at ANI that you did know the connection between the two accounts. I've started a discussion about your role in this matter. Please comment. Hopefully there are some sort of unknown circumstances that justify your actions. Jehochman 13:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

He's my best friend. Get over it. Lara 13:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

You and Jehochman seem intent on having a personal discussion about personal failures. Please keep it off ANI. --Tznkai (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

God forbid I tarnish the drama board with drama. Lara 14:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know. ANI and WP suck. I get it, I really do. Every now and then, I make an effort to reduce the suck a little bit at the margins.--Tznkai (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I prefer to think it's just broken beyond repair, but however you want to word it, I suppose. Although, AN/I does, in fact, suck. Lara 15:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

So how quickly do you thing a redirect to ANI from WP:Sucking Hole in the Universe would be deleted? Also, was amazed to find WP:DRAMA has its own page now, instead of the classic redirect to ANI. UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 15:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame DRAMA doesn't go to AN/I anymore. It was fitting. Lara 15:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

ANI does have a purpose; its scope and function have limits. It used to be that non-admin editors were the ones who lost sight of that--not the sysops themselves. Consider the actual subject of that thread: Law/The Undertow. He has his good points; I want to see the fellow make a legitimate return someday like Rootology and Jack Merridew have. Does that become more likely or less likely when sysops engage in mutual recriminations? Wouldn't it be more effective in the long run to model good behavior? Admin conduct RfC is thataway. Will be posting a similar message to Jehochman's user talk in a moment. Durova 15:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

At least you're hitting J's talk page too considering he's the one that distracted from the point. I'll defend myself against attacks regardless of whether or not people like it. Lara 15:19, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Mae West said it best. "It's not what you do. It's the way you do it." Durova 15:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Honey, that's the best that can come from me. A year ago, it would have been a mess of expletives and ranting. I may not turn the bitch switch up to 11 anymore, but there's not turning it off completely. Everything I stated was fact, and I was chill the whole time. Usually laughing, actually, so I'm going to have to conclude that I handled it pretty well. Maybe not the peaches and cream, rainbows and butterflies other people would have put forth, but this is how I am. Everyone should know that by now. I don't deny being a bitch. Drama-mongers shouldn't deny being drama-mongers. Lara 15:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I support deleting WP:ANI. Jennavecia, I was hoping to get a point across to you, not to start a feud. I am dropping the matter now that you know know how I feel. You don't need to agree with me. Yeah, I have fairly strong feelings about principals and will stand up and say what I think even if it causes a lot of drama. Luckily I wasn't born in the middle of a war or revolution or I'd never have made it 41 years on this planet. Jehochman 15:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, ya know, I support standing up for what you believe in and passionately fighting for it. So I won't fault you for that specifically, but I certainly don't appreciate being a target in a matter where there's no administrative action to be made, so instead it distracts from the matter at hand. At least it's over now, though. Thanks for the note. Lara 15:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I hope you notice that I stood up for your friend. He should not be banned. The best thing he could do is make a statement acknowledging any mistakes. After a year or two of doing much good work he can go back to RFA. User:Gwen Gale did it. I did it. So can he. Jehochman 15:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure he'll make a statement after the dusts settles. But this wasn't about your stance on Chip. This was about you coming after me, as if there was some action to be made because I supported my best friend. Lara 15:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

(ec x3) No one is attempting to silence either of you. You're entitled to your opinions and debate is welcome. We're Wikipedians after all; that's what Wikipedians do. It's mainly a question of venue. When an editor comments on an article within the article, we ask them to move it to talk. User talk or policy talk would have been better in this instance, with conduct RfC a possible followup if that failed. ANI's purpose is for airing urgent situations that may need the use of the tools. Neither of you were requesting a block on the other, so that side discussion really would have been better to move elsewhere. Durova 15:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. I respond where I'm engaged, though. Always have. As far as WP being like real estate, you mean it's going under? XD Lara 15:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I made the mistake of taking out an interest only balloon payment loan. Had trouble meeting the mortgage two years ago. Now it's strictly month to month rental. But hey, you guys are supposed to be building superintendants. go mop the stoop or something. ;) Durova 15:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't mop or sweep so much. Mostly just collect all the tabloids strewn about and throw them in the garbage. Lara 15:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

That was the issue where you were cover story? ;) Durova 15:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I framed that one and hung it above Shankbone's bed. (No one will get that reference but him.) Lara 15:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

BLP

Maybe something to distract from the above and get back to doing important work. Category:Homophobia has a bunch of BLPs in there that should probably be removed if they don't have some very solid sourcing to keep them in the category. –xeno 15:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look over that later tonight. I really need to start studying. I have a test tonight. Lara 15:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Best of luck. Cheers, –xeno 15:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Inviting comment and discussion..

Hey Lara, I'd like to invite your comment on an essay/discussion I just posted about the whole Law/Undertow etcetera thing User:SirFozzie/Alternate. I'd appreciate any input you have. SirFozzie (talk) 17:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

There's no way to fix it. People need to prioritize. This sort of shit simply doesn't matter. It's drama to latch onto.

You can't give the blocking/banning policy teeth. It's not in the software. Accounts get blocked, not people. It's not possible. The Citizendium approach is stupid. I can sign up with an infinite number of fake names. The only way to fix it, or come close to, which I have stated many times, is to required domain emails for registration. Of course this doesn't prevent people from creating multiple emails for multiple socks, but not everyone has access to multiple domain emails or has the ability to create them. Along those same lines, not everyone has a domain email to begin with, so everyone can edit becomes everyone with a domain email can edit.

I don't see anything changing. It's impossible to change much on this project anyway. However, if we had to chose between improving the project at the expense of the community or improving the dynamic of the community at the expense of the project, I think the decision is pretty easy. Lara 17:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)