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There was a mistake that I corrected: European travellers Joannes de Plano Carpini and William of Rubruquis asserted that Pascatirs spoke the same language as the Hungarians, and not as the Bulgarians (who were their neighbours).

See William of Rubruquis'Account of the Mongols:

Of the riuer of Iagac : and of diuers regions or nations. Chap. 23.

Hauing traueiled twelue dayes iourney from Etilia, wee fonnd a mightie riuer called Iagac: which riuer issuing out of the North, from the land of Pascatir, descendeth into the foresaid sea. The language of Pascatir, and of the Hungarians is all one, and they are all of them shepheards, not hauing any cities. And their countrey bordereth vpon Bulgaria the greater, on the West frontier thereof. From the Northeast part of the said countrey, there is no citie at all. For Bulgaria the greater is the farthest countrey that way, that hath any citie therein. Out of the forenamed region of Pascatir, proceeded the Hunnes of olde time, who afterwarde were called Hungarians. Next vnto it is Bulgaria the greater.

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/h/hakluyt/voyages/rubruquis/chapter2.html

Hungarians were often called Turks (but never Bulgars), though their language is not related to the Turkic languages. Today some scientists deny the Hungarian ancestry of Bashkirs, although it is highly unprobable that Rubruquis (who met in his journey many Hungarian prisoners from Hungary) could mistaken Hungarian language to a Turkic language.

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Bashkort is correct

I have put also "Bashkort" as the name. "Bashkir" is a Russian word to call Bashkort. This people say "Bashkort", when talking to each other.Maybe when talking to Russians, they will say "Bashkir". If a Bashkort say "Bashkir" to another Bashkort, he is called "Mankurt" (russian wannabe) --Ramil MC 15:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The correct form will be Bashqort, not Bashkort. At the second, Bashkir is a form, traditional for English language. The usage of Bashkir does not depend of Bashkir's bein mañqort. I hope you are not mañqort. :) But it doesn't mean you should change English spelling --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 22:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Bashkirs Hungarians relations

whats the nonsense here?? --fz22 (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

"Arheologija i etnografija Baskirii" published around 1960 (i've read its hungarian version)

the Baskhir-Hungarian deserved to be mentioned here ... i think.

According to the Hungarian standpoint: - Arab, Byzantine, Western European geographers reffered the Magyars as Bashkirs. - The early Magyars had three names given by their neighbours: (Turks/Bashkirs/Ungri = Byzantine/Volga Bulgars/Slavic peoples) - there are several coincidence in tribal names: Gyarmat = Jurmat; Jeno=Jenej; Magyar=Majar, Mozsarjan; Megyer=Miser - Friar Julian journeys - the Mongol invasion in Mid 13ht century destroyed Volga Bulgaria and the Magyar-Baskhirs as well. Our present-day Bashkirs orgin therefore is still uncertain ... --fz22 (talk) 09:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Language

According to most sources Bashkirs were Maygars who under influences of their Turki neighbours began speaking their present language. But when the switch of languuage took place ? Kaşgarlı Mahmut (1005-1102) lists them as Turk. But Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (1180-1252) notes that they speak Hungarian. Isn't there a contradiction ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

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