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If you have any problems, concerns, or just want to comment on my actions and behavior in general, please leave a message here, or if you would like to discuss things, my talk page and email is available for use. A watch page has been created that will list areas that I might have problems with and may need help with. - Ottava Rima

200 dyk

		The 200 DYK Medal
		Awarded to Ottava Rima, as a "bicentennial" recognition of sustained high-quality content creation. Numerous Wikiprojects – not to mention citizens of the earth – benefit from your interesting contributions. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I came so close to beating you to the mark. Foiled! :D Thanks, by the way. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Race you to 300 then :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Ceoil (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Casliber, I almost beat you to 200 and you had a long head start. I'm about to pass you, and by the end of this time next year I should be over 500. You might as well give up now. :P If not, I shall taunt you a second time. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 03:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow. That's quite a lot. Congratulations! ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit request

First off wow, congrats on the 200 DYK medal. I'm still working on 25. :) But the actual reason I'm here is a copy edit request for 30 Rock (season 3). I worked up this article to save the Seasons of 30 Rock featured topic, and it has been at FLC for quite a while. Two voters are considering/weakly supporting the article, but numerous problems with copy-editing issues arose during the FLC and they requested a proper review by some third party. I can't think of anyone better than you, if you have the time. Thanks either way! Staxringold _talk 02:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll have time tomorrow. I have a list of articles to go through and I will add it onto my list. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks so much! Staxringold _talk 13:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

It was certainly not my intention to get you blocked. I think the action was clearly premature, and I'm glad that cooler heads prevailed. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Powers 19:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about me. I do feel that it would be better if you spent times trying to fix the Byron articles instead of renaming. There are very few people who work on the literature articles. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad the block was sorted out, but I'm appalled that Chillum, Chief of the Civility Police, took it upon himself to review your first unblock request. I already thought highly of Deacon—who can also be a rather prickly character at times—but I was seriously impressed by his cool head and integrity in reversing what was obviously a travesty. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikilayering

Re. . In my opinion your actions are self-explanatory. You badly miss-argue policy, and in a non-constructive manner. You also quote extremely selective. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Your opinions verify that you have no desire to do anything but make violations of policy while quoting something that explicitly says to not do what you are doing. The irony is amazing. I quoted the relevant statements that say that you are being incivil, and if you keep it up you are opening yourself up for a block. DRV is not a vote, nor is it a place to vote and then insult people for pointing out your misconceptions about our policies. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with your interpretation and with your behavior at the deletion review. I think you are bullying and wikilawyering - as in threatening me with a block or claiming another editor "must do" something. Is this going anywhere or should we agree to disagree? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You can also disagree with the sky being blue, the grass being green, and water being wet. It doesn't mean that you have grounds nor are acting appropriately. The very essay you quoted said your behavior was wrong. If you don't even check before quoting things, then how do you expect to be taken seriously? You are on a quick path towards a civility block because you are unwilling to abide by our policies. WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, in conjunction with your wikilawyer essay, makes it very clear that you cannot make such accusations as they are inappropriate. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:TRUTH. Please be assured that I read essays which I quote. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

If you read the essay you quoted, then you would have recognized that your behavior was unacceptable on Misplaced Pages. Therefore, you have now acknowledged that you purposefully violated our policies. Thank you for that acknowledge. It now explains why your actions are so hostile to our policies as a whole. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Ottava, you're heading into personal attack territory again. You might want to back off a bit, and take Stephan's offer to agree to disagree. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Sarek, you have already been found by multiple people that your claims before were completely wrong and unacceptable. Because you persist, I am asking you to User:SarekOfVulcan/Recall criteria. Your statement right there about NPA territory is 1. a threat and 2. completely inappropriate per NPA and a violation of NPA. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Far as I can tell, that page is ready for your signature.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Blake DYK

Thanks for addressing the issues I had with your interesting DYK nomination on the Four Zoas. Like everyone else at DYK, I try to help by proofreading hooks and articles and notifying authors of possible problems with content and DYK rules (also these). It's great to see how this process improves the quality of both the articles and the hooks.

I do, in fact, think that the articles have improved from what you added here. Readers of the articles on the Four Zoas and their emanations are likely to be somewhat confused by the multiplicity of names and associations, so it's good to have an overview of this in the Vala, or the Four Zoas article. It's not a bad thing that the same information is in multiple Misplaced Pages articles when that creates a more navigable set of articles. Perhaps it could be improved further when you put the Zoas in a table with their emanations and what they represent.

As I wrote before, it's great that you're contributing articles on these interesting topics to Misplaced Pages. I myself certainly do not have the knowledge I would need to write on these topics, but I do hope that I will be able to give some suggestions that help you improve the articles. Ucucha 23:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I do think that a table would be in order, but where it should be included you of course know better than I do. Good luck with improving the other Blake articles and the main article! Ucucha 23:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I've mentioned a serial comma issue with the formatting of the hook; as use of the serial comma is probably more an individual preference thing than anything else, would you address the issue? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For outstanding output during the 2009 WikiCup: within the last three months alone that included 7 featured articles, 27 good articles, and 61 DYK articles. Great work, and all the best to you for 2010! Durova 01:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I concur with Durova. Great work, and congratulations on the silver medal! Theleftorium 10:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: GAN reviews

Busy time of the year for me so I won't be getting to those. You can see from my contributions that I haven't been around as much as I usually am... Gary King (talk) 07:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hey dude, wanted to do something in honor of your prolific work in literature, so here's William Blake's self-portrait from a 1794 copy of Songs of Innocence and Experience.

While finishing it, caught wind of your recent scuffle. The Spider-Man suit needs a trip to the dry cleaners. Try to climb down safely. ;) Best regards, Durova 19:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about Chillum's admitted constant drug use while "working" on the encyclopedia? Acid, on one use, can destroy the ability for the mind to process information. Seeing as how Chillum has been involved in dozens of really awful blocks, it seems that we now have a strong explanation as to -why- these blocks happened. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I have always invited you to seek scrutiny regarding any admin actions I make. I think you disliking the blocks I make has your to do with your disagreement regarding the civility policy than the quality of my actions. Regardless you are welcome to gather up these "dozens of really awful blocks" and present them to the community for examination. I am confident that my behavior on this website will stand up to the scrutiny of the community as it has countless times in the past. Chillum 19:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I challenged your claims about WP:AGF that directly contradicted the policy and made it apparently that you were violating the letter of it with your claims. You refused to respond. Your claims that you allow scrutiny are not upheld in practice. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Um...(dodges flying projectiles)...had more in mind to mention that the complete Songs of Innocence and Experience is digitized. Have been on the fence about whether to attempt restoration of such a major artist, but most of the individual poems from the collection are redlinked. Does the prospect of DYK nominations with an accompanying illustration tempt you? (not urgent) Durova 20:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

They've been online and I have published editions of restored versions of them. Sorry, but you are about 10 years too late. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The Blake Archive asserts copyright over its digital reproductions and the Library of Congress hosts better quality files. This is Misplaced Pages, not Wikisource. But I get the message; you're not interested. Durova 20:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

They legally can't assert it in the US. Regardless, they draw their copies from previous published sources which they did not own the copyright for, so they can't really have any claim. I -have- the published physical versions. I have multiple ones published by multiple groups. Two publishers maybe could assert something, but I have -three- collections of Blake prints. The LoC versions are the same as what they have, which verifies that they can't hold copyright over them. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Someone else can tilt at that windmill; there's no particular reason to anyway, when alternatives free of claim are available. If you don't feel like starting articles about the individual poems, that's fine. You had done a lot of that type of DYK during the Cup and it seemed you might take an interest in that for next year. Never mind if it isn't your cup of tea; I prefer Blake's painting to his poetry anyway. :) Durova 20:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I was just going to propose uploading scans from the books I have which are restored copies of the LoC editions. I was just teasing you about people beating you to them. :P But yeah, the rest of Blake's works are on the list. I can't have too much of an author at DYK at a time or it would overload their display rate. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, the humor didn't transfer well in text (facial expressions and tone of voice are invaluable for that sort of subtlety). As usual, am getting ideas and requests faster than human hands can edit. So leave word when you'd like to move forward and I'll tread water until then. :) Durova 00:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

What would cheer you up?

ice cubes and Doves i already used, but perhaps you prefer some roses, or perhaps some tea? How about some Cookies or a old good bar of of chocolate? Maybe something less material such as a simple smiley? Ask and you shall receive, as long as we actually have an image i can create a template with. :)

Somewhat more serious, remember not to press an issue to much - which actually goes for quite a few people; Perhaps even most for me as i am posting about the topic again. I think both stances regarding chillum's actions has been clearly voiced, which means i don't think that more talk from either side would be truly helpful as most people are quite heated up for now - and i didn't create enough icecubes for everyone :). Jimbo has been notified at his talk page, so i assume he will respond in due time. I would say we just see what he says, or lacking that, move it to a somewhat more official channel as a myrad of talk page's don't provide the best ground for any form of concensus. Excirial 20:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Noticeboard

I've raised my concerns regarding your recent behaviour here. user:J aka justen (talk) 05:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks - Final warning

Ottava, next time you post on this subject of another editor's alleged drug use, you should be blocked for harassment and personal attacks. You're under a civility restriction. This is totally out of hand. Chillum is hardly my favorite editor, but I won't stand for you continuing to abuse him in this way. I'm heading offline. If you do get yourself blocked, it won't be by me, but the blocking admin is welcome to cite this warning. Jehochman 07:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman, you have no right to make such claims and I will drag you to ArbCom to have you desysopped. You have crossed the line multiple times and have been told that your statements above are direct violations of your admin privileges. I recommend you immediately remove your comments. Ottava Rima (talk) 07:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Jehochman is right though. It's becoming a bit of a time-sink, isn't it? Give it up and move on to something better. --John (talk) 07:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Ottava as much as I rarely agree with Jehochman, I must request you to not go any farther with this, it's not really Misplaced Pages's business whether or not someone uses drugs. --Coffee // have a cup // ark // 07:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Did I start the ANI thread? What about the three to one constant responses? Or the talk page harassment? I tried stopping a while ago. I tried to get a simple answer from Chillum and was attacked. Misplaced Pages Review is providing evidence to how Chillum's statements are probably enough evidence that his life will be ruined, which is probably why there is such hostility about talking about it. He has already sent me harassing emails. The aggression could be tied to the above. Ottava Rima (talk) 07:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)