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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Petral (talk | contribs) at 06:27, 23 December 2005 (this is not an article, and your paranoid one sided flame war isn't a contribution). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Promises of troop withdraw by American presidents throughout history

• Terrible POV fork of US Presidents, nothing more than an attack add really--Petral 01:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• also there are now two of them (both of which will be covered by this AfD): Promises.... and Campaign...., both seperate articles with cloned content--Petral 02:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Additonal point, since the origional author decided to clone his article, keep voters should probably specify which of the two clones they want to keep, as obviously one of the duplicates would be removed either way--Petral 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as blatant POV fork. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, listcruft of bits of information taken out of context, /very/ prone to edit wars and POV. Pavel Vozenilek 02:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• I don't need to be a weatherman to see where the wind is blowing. I will delete the article myself. Travb 02:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• comment something isn't adding up here, at some point you moved the article somewhere else and cloned it's content, back into the origional article space, now I can't find where you moved the origional to--Petral 02:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• found it hiding in plain site, you faked the redirect--Petral 02:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• you are accusing me of something I am not doing--you make a lot of accusations, and add nothing to this article Petral. After You said yourself that "user is showing some restraint and is now cooperating with the AfD process". I added a link originally to the new name. I just created this article.Travb 02:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Petral, you cannot put an article on Afd then decide to skip the process and delete it yourself. In fact, unless you are a sockpuppet, you cannot delete it at all. Wait for the Afd process to complete. This is contentious behaviour on your part. Why not go have a nice cup of tea and allow the Afd to complete normally? KillerChihuahua 03:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

um, what? mistaken identity?--Petral 03:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Trying to read too many posts too close together, my apologies. I saw the "I will delete the article myself." by Travb, above, followed by your comment. For some reason I registered you (Petral) as the one who said that. Let me try this again:

Travb, You cannot create an article which is placed on Afd then decide to skip the process and delete it yourself. In fact, unless you are a sockpuppet, you cannot delete it at all. Wait for the Afd process to complete. This is contentious behaviour on your part. Why not go have a nice cup of tea and allow the Afd to complete normally?

Again, apologies for the mistaken identity. KillerChihuahua 04:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Adding note: As Travb did create the article, there is a speedy cat for that if that is what Travb desires. KillerChihuahua 04:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you ever been involved in something that you really enjoy, a book, a movie, a warm bath. etc. And some rude idiot comes along and ruins it. I was smack dab in the middle of creating this article, minding my own business when Petral came along and ruined my "warm bath". I was going along, enjoying myself in a certain train of thought, and then all the sudden I get interupted, I get pulled out of the bath, thrown outside, and beat by some stranger. That may be historonics, but that is how I feel. I got to the point, I just wanted to throw up my hands and delete the damn article. I started a new article, and Petral and Petral's friends (maybe sockpuppers of Petral) all put that article up for deletion too.Travb 04:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete- POV fork. Reyk 02:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems like the topic is worthy of inclusion. -- JJay 03:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Considering that the nom joined wikipedia today , I would be interested to know how he/she found this article and mastered the AfD process? -- JJay 03:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete --HappyCamper 03:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per JJay. KillerChihuahua 03:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, POV fork. User:Zoe| 04:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, article is not POV, and listing promises of troop withdrawl is factual. The article is worthy of inclusion.--Bkwillwm 05:10, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, POV fork. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge contents with Election_promise Endomion 05:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete strong POV potential, hard to properly cite with accuracy, inherently a trouble page.--MONGO 06:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong delete inherently POV. --King of All the Franks 06:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Emphatic delete - articles are POV by "cherry picking" on the examples and the facts. Secondly, titles were misspelled. Page has been the subject of an edit war in which both parties violated 3RR. B.Wind 06:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)