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The initial Misplaced Pages:Civility essay was largely authored by User:Anthere and others at meta:Incivility (history, Jan-Feb. 2004). It was copied here and put into substantive form ("Civility") by User:Stevertigo (Feb. 2004), who earlier raised the issue on wikien-l. & (Oct. 4, 2003). In codified form, it was thereafter referenced as a statement of principle and soon after considered "policy."
Long before the creation of the formal policy, User:Larry Sanger raised the issue of "making more civil," , & (Nov. 2002) after reading User:The Cunctator's essay "How to destroy Misplaced Pages" (Mar. 2002). User:Jimbo Wales picked up on Larry's point (the last time they said anything nice to each other), and thereafter User:Ed Poor and others kept it alive, until the need for a formal policy came about in late 2003.
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Civility page.
can you be more precise? And what do you think about Verbal's removal of this material? DTTR may not be policy, but it's still a valid point here and a useful reference, and I don't the existence of welcome messages invalidates the injunction to be careful with template messages. And I don't really see why the injunction to explain one's edits sufficiently (as context dictates) should be removed either. Rd23222:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Much of it was duplicated, but not all of it, so Dank's edit has removed some content. Perhaps either the bullet point or the introduction should be rewritten, rather than simply deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Page too long
Surely we don't need this many words to tell people to be nice to each other? I'd be for doing some major weeding of this text, to reveal the main points clearly. Any objections in principle? There could also be a bit of merging with other pages - do we really need WP:NPA as a separate page from this one?--Kotniski (talk) 11:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I have not paid attention to this page so I won't get involved much at the moment, but my initial thoughts are I can't see the benefit from removing text. I think that CIVIL does need to be a different page from NPA because they are different, and editors sometimes need to be directed towards one of the two pages: if they were combined, an editor who commits a minor civility breach may end up reading about NPA and that may leave the editor thinking that the referral was inappropriate (i.e. the incivil editor might think "the person who directed me to this page is nuts because it's mostly about vicious stuff that is nothing to do with me").
Where is the text that mentions that edit summaries and talk page comments should focus on edits, and not on editors? I do think that the purpose of CIVIL should be clarified in the lead. We don't have this policy because it gives us a warm glow; we have it to foster collaboration that builds the encyclopedia. Johnuniq (talk) 01:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, it was an ill-chosen name, certainly (since it apparently sanctions calling people dicks, which is extremely uncivil in itself), but I agree that a brief and to the point policy like that is what we need. I think there's a sliding scale rather than any clear boundary between incivility and personal attacks - having them both on one page, and without vast quantities of superfluous verbiage, will simply make it quicker and clearer for people to find out what our standards are in this area, and for editors to identify things that are missing (like the text that Johnuniq wonders about).--Kotniski (talk) 07:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages's code of conduct
Do we agree that WP:Etiquetteis Misplaced Pages's code of conduct (as the link currently in the first line of this page seems to imply)? If so, surely it should at least be marked as a policy? (Or perhaps that's another page that could be merged with this one?)--Kotniski (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Policy report for Signpost
The reaction to this report on recent changes to WP:SOCK was good. I propose we do the same kind of report on changes to WP:CIVILITY since maybe September 1, since there have been a lot of recent changes. The monthly changes are available at Misplaced Pages:Update/1/Deletion policy changes, July 2009 to December 2009. Say anything you like in your report, and I'll do my best to work in a sentence or two into the Signpost summary from everyone who participates, and I hope many Signpost readers will follow the link and read everything you said. My summary will be available at least a day before the deadline so that anyone can edit it. Feel free to add your report below. The SOCK reports were quite good; if you're stumped for ideas, check them out. - Dank (push to talk) 20:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
