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November 12

Creating a new page

Hi, I have a created a new page under my account. It is a userpage however it is not showing up in Misplaced Pages when I do a search. I have created links within the page to other Wiki pages.

Please help as I am not sure if I have created my page correctly.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkkpartners (talk • contribs) 23:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, you would move the page. However, I strongly suggest that you add some reliable, 3rd party sources first. Ill do some cleanup for now. Tim1357 (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

• For the record: The OP's account has been blocked, as the account appeared to be solely for advertising/spamming. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 01:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Merging Pages into an Article that Hasn't Been Created

How to you propose two or more articles be merged into a page that doesn't exist? ---Shadow (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Merging#Proposing a merger. Use a discuss parameter to specify the talk page of an existing page, and explain the intention and involved pages there. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle

Is twinkle working for anyone? When I tag an article for speedy, it get pasts Tagging page: data loaded... and then just displays that message and does nothing. Any advice? Btilm 02:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not working because of some scripting errors that are currently going on. Twinkle has been debugged and the fix should take effect sometime soon, assuming that this fix works it'll be back up ... eventually. More information about this can be found on its talk page. --tennisman 03:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Posting another user's links

I would like to post a comment about another user and include a list of their edit history and contributions. I know there is a code to do this, but I don't know what it is. Help! --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

{{User|IP69.226.103.13}} produces IP69.226.103.13 (talk · contribs). Regards, AJCham 03:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that will do and is easy to remember. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 03:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

There is also {{userlinks}} which gives IP69.226.103.13 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). – ukexpat (talk) 03:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks, this one is also easy to remember, User or Userlinks. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 07:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Tool

I created a tool that adds a displaytitle tab whenever you edit a page. One tab adds one and one removes one. It is hard to explain. If you are interested, it is at user:btilm/displaytitle.js. Please test it and give me your feedback. Thank you. Btilm 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Pictures and References

I'm having trouble with pictures and references for my page. I tried to upload the picture and it said it couldn't read .jpg, but that's what all pictures are. Also, when I cite references, I push the reference button (<ref>Insert footnote text here</ref>) but it doesn't tell me how to actually cite it. It says I'm missing "reference/" but it doesn't tell me what that is. Please help! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.17.55.236 (talk) 06:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

You have to place {{Unreferenced}} in the references section to make them appear. I'm not sure what problem you're having with the image. Could you tell us which article and which image you're referring to? Someguy1221 (talk) 06:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you mean {{reflist}} or <references/> since the "{{Unreferenced}}" template is something else entirely... Bencherlite 07:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay so I've gotten the picture uploaded, but it didn't ask me like what page I wanted to put it on or anything. And on the picture tutorial, it say's you can like put it on the left or the right, and just have the text fill in the empty spots, which is what I want, but it doesn't say how to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CandyCaine912 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

• To use it in an article, you use ] where you want the picture. To have it on the left/right, just use ] or ]. See WP:IMAGES and Misplaced Pages:Extended_image_syntax for more information about using images in articles. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Statustop

For the life of me, I cannot get this template to work in my userspace. See User:Ks0stm/Status, and my user & talk pages. Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong? Ks0stm 06:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Resolved. I guess all it needed was me complaining loud enough. There has to be a term for when something only works when you are trying to show it doesn't. Ks0stm 06:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the term is "computer" -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 07:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I need to find out what is going on with my body about my health..

I need to find out what is going on with my body. i have nesea, headache, hot and cold flushes, runny tummy and get dizzy to the extend i'm not sure where i am. what could this be? driving to work and home is hectic feeling like this but i dont know what it could be ?

could anyone help me out on this one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.132.215 (talk) 08:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not give medical advice, The medical information provided on Misplaced Pages is, at best, of a general nature and cannot substitute for the advice of a medical professional. None of the individual contributors, system operators, developers, sponsors of Misplaced Pages nor anyone else connected to Misplaced Pages can take any responsibility for the results or consequences of any attempt to use or adopt any of the information presented on this web site. Please see our medical disclaimer: Misplaced Pages:Medical disclaimer, Spitfire 08:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to make what Spitfire hinted at explicit: please go see a doctor, that's what they are there for. — QuantumEleven 10:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

We cannot give medical advice, but common sense suggests you should not drive a motor vehicle when you experience the symptoms you describe. Let's hope your visit to the doctor solves the problem. --Teratornis (talk) 01:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Feed back templates.

Hello all, I was trying to create a "leave feedback" template for the help desk, however, although it displays fine when the code is:

{| class="ombox" style="border: 1px solid #aaa; background: #FFFFE0;"

|-

|  | ]

! class="mbox-text" | '''{{feedback link|page={{{page|Misplaced Pages:Help Desk}}}|text={{{text|Please leave feedback to help us
  improve this page}}}}}'''

|}

It links to the wrong page: Misplaced Pages:Help Desk/feedback rather than Misplaced Pages:Help desk/feedback, and when I change it like so:

{{feedback link|page={{{page|Misplaced Pages:Help Desk}}} to {{feedback link|page={{{page|Misplaced Pages:Help desk}}}

The template messes itself up, see Misplaced Pages talk:Help desk#Feedback page for the help desk for an example of the broken template, and this link for the template that's working but linking incorrectly. Any ideas? Cheers Spitfire 09:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, it just needed an underscore between the two words, by the way, it'd be good if everyone could take a look at Misplaced Pages talk:Help desk#Feedback page for the help desk anyway, cheers, Spitfire 11:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

HMAS Melbourne R21 - Amendment

I tried to put an amendment into the article on the Melbourne/Voyager collision. There is a factual error in that the article says that all survivors were picked up within 15 minutes of the collision. This is incorrect as I was the Commanding Officer of the first SAR (HMAS Air Nymph) on the scene, arriving there about 1 hour after the collision having sailed from the Marine Section, Jervis Bay at about 9 pm, that is just after 10 pm. My boat rescued 34 sailors from the water and in life rafts, some of which were only partially inflated. Several of my crew got into these life rafts to assist injured Voyager survivors or jumped into the water to assist those sailors without life jackets. HMAS Air Sprite arrived on the scene about 10 minutes after Air Nymph and rescued 36 sailors, making a total of 70 survivors. We were unable to transfer them to Melbourne because of the swell and the injuries they suffered so proceeded back to Jervis Bay, where they were landed before the 2 SARS returned to the collision site to continue the search until about 9 am the following day.

The rescue operations by the 2 SARs were ignored by the Royal Commission and were never recognised or acknowledged by Navy Office, presumably because of the political considerations. The story of the rescue operations has recently been covered by The Australian newspaper on 11 February 2009 and in the June 2009 edition of the Naval Historical Review (www.navyhistory.org.au). I would like your article to reflect the correct story of that night but my proposed amendment does not show.

What do I need to do to amend the HMAS Melbourne article?

Kerry Stephen (<email redacted>) Colseg (talk) 10:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you wish for them to be permanently removed from the page history, email this address. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

• Your edit was reverted with the edit summary "Unsourced change - see talk page.", with the recognition that your edit was not malicious.

As the revert summary said, the information had no source - if you can provide reliable sources, then the information can be added/amended. Also, read the message on the article's talk page. Discuss what you think should be added, with sources of information - some the folks who comment there know a lot of about the ship! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have tracked down the Australian article mentioned by Colseg, and have expanded the content at Melbourne-Voyager collision with this as a source. I feel that this information is too detailed for the HMAS Melbourne (R21) article. The user and article talkpages have been notified.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Saberwyn (talk • contribs)

Dates

I am looking for a plugins or scripts to put in my monobook.js file

What I really want is just a script which will insert == November 2009 ==

Like you would need when warning somebody on their talk page and there isn't a section for it, I just want to click a button above the text area (By using the function addButton)

But is there anyway to get the date, and only take the month and year?
Thanks in Advance,
Limideen 14:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Some warning templates have a parameter that includes a specific section header if you add "|header=1" to the code. Others, not - and it varies. The easiest way I can think of would be to standardize warning templates to include a header field, where the header would be "==CURRENTMONTH CURRENTYEAR==", so you could add it at will, or create some simple template to plug it in - maybe {{cm}} (currentmonth). So to warn and add a header, you'd need to do {{subst:cm}}{{subst:uw-vand4|article}} ~~~~. But as for a script, you might check with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User scripts; they might have something that works. UltraExactZZ ~ Evidence 15:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle will do this automatically, but you do have to use a browser other than IE. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  15:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about CSD/G10

Hi there - Is it appropriate to CSD-tag images that, while not themselves offensive, a)have pretty clearly been uploaded in order to mock/attack their subjects and b)have no obvious use on WP? I'm looking at a case of someone uploading a picture of a person and then substituting that picture for the graphic on Pig, Obesity, and so on. The images were removed from those pages, obviously. Pseudomonas_(talk) 14:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

If in doubt, the better choice would be to list the images at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. GlassCobra 15:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/BitTorrent_tracker

In reference to the above article. I noticed you guys have put http://www.openbittorrent.kg as the example of the open bit tracker (found here http://en.wikipedia.org/BitTorrent_tracker#Open_trackers). I agree that is an open bit tracker however this is the english version of Misplaced Pages. I don't see why the Kyrgyzstan tracker should even be here, instead this one should be listed http://openbittorrent.com/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epicnoob (talk • contribs) 14:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Here at Misplaced Pages, we encourage all our contributors to be bold and fix any and all mistakes you see yourself! Good luck, and welcome. :) GlassCobra 15:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit a link question

Hi - I can't seem to figure out how to edit a link under the Notes category of an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ontariotourism (talk • contribs) 16:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

You cannot edit the references section directly if it uses the {{Reflist}} or <references/> code. To edit the references you have to find them in the text of the article and edit them there. They will be enclosed in <ref></ref> tags. – ukexpat (talk) 16:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Is there a little ^ next to the link? if you click on that, you will get to where the note is referenced in the article - it is here that the link is coded - if you edit this section, you will see something along the lines of <ref>.....</ref>. This is the link. If you give a specific example, we can give more precise advice -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

if this is the edit you mean, i think the problem lies elsewhere: your external link was removed by another editor - see WP:EL for policies regarding external links. looks like you may need to read Misplaced Pages's user name policy as well.

but if you feel a site you're affiliated with is worthwhile, you can put a post on the article's talk page letting other editors know about the site, and leave it up to them whether to put it in the article or not. Sssoul (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Article message boxes

Where is the "master" list of all the markups that create boxes indicating problems? Y'know......the "this article has grammar problems" box and all those other little boxes that can be inserted about the quality of an article/sources? Where is that list of all the markups.....grrrrr......can't find it? Buddpaul (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

How about Category:Article message boxes? (Oh, and there's no need to use {{helpme}} here). Bencherlite 17:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

no grring necessary either. you can also try WP:Template messages/Cleanup or WP:Template messages for a broader list. Sssoul (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

problem with search

there is a problem with your search function. I go to type in a word such as Top Chef and all I get is a blank page. I've done this for numerous keywords and all I get is a blank page. You need to get this fixed.

It works fine for me. What browser are you using?--Unionhawk 18:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

try ]--—Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzzsherman (talk • contribs)

try ] ,works ?--NotedGrant Talk 18:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

We've just had some brief downtime, during which you would have received only blank pages. It should be working now. AJCham 18:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Page isn't visible.

I have created a page on Misplaced Pages. However, when I go to view it by conducting a search, it is non-existent. Why is that? How can I make my page visible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brooklynwomensrugby (talk • contribs) 19:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

What page? It may have been deleted.--Unionhawk 19:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a draft article in your userspace at User:Brooklynwomensrugby. Couple of points before it can be moved to the mainspace: you need to demonstrate with sources how the club is notable; your user name is in violation of the user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

(e/c)Take a look at Special:Contributions/Brooklynwomensrugby, which lists your non-deleted contributions. It appears that you have created 2 pages, User:Brooklynwomensrugby/Brooklyn Women's Rugby and User:Brooklynwomensrugby. The search function will only find it in article-space, usually, and both of those are in userspace. That's appropriate, since they're not ready to launch yet. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Music Profile Table

Hi how can I create that table on the right column that all music profiles seem to have (birth date, genres, instruments, hometown, etc.)? Is there some kind of template? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toriboy84 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes; {{Infobox musical artist}} Someguy1221 (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Odd infobox behaviour

The article E number contains the infobox template "E number infobox 900-909", yet when I click on the little "v", "e" or "d" links in the top left of the box, I'm taken to the different template "E number infobox 950-969". Anyone any idea why? 86.152.242.213 (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC).

The template Template:E number infobox 900-909 had the wrong name in its source. I've fixed it, so it now will link to the correct page. --Mysdaao 20:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks Mysdaao. What do you mean by "in its source"? 86.152.242.213 (talk) 20:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC). Duh, sorry, scratch that, I just looked at the edit you made!

You're welcome! --Mysdaao 20:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Requesting an Updated Profile.

How do I get someone to correct or expand a profile of someone that is limited and very opinion biased? --Faithmarie3 (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The best place to start is the article's talk/discussion page. – ukexpat (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

What is the article (not "profile") in question? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Apparently it's John D. Hancock, per this message on my talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Faith Marie. Many people come to Misplaced Pages with the impression that there's some central authority which writes articles. Misplaced Pages is structured very differently than many other institutions which are centrally managed, so that impression is not surprising. But it is WE that writes the articles; you're included. Articles are developed and expanded by someone happening along who is interested in the subject and has the knowledge to make improvements. You seem to be that person. Of course, some editors are brand new, and some are highly experienced, but we're all just editors. So, go to the article and plunge right in (actually, I strongly recommend taking a tour through the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial first, but you get my drift I hope). You stated a whole bunch of facts on Ukexpat's talk page. Go to the article, click "edit this page" at the top, and start writing. List those facts. What is fundamental is that for every fact you list, you should provide a reliable reference which verifies that fact. Avoid saying he's great/accomplished/honored—show it through facts, and be circumspect of adjectives (see, e.g., WP:PEACOCK). I will help you with the methodology of citing sources if you need it. Just do your best.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

November 13

Aviation and Airports

How much does it cost and airliner to use the airport for the planes. Basically how much does it cost to rent a hanger? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.131 (talk) 01:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

download

how to download an article from wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shonchrox (talk • contribs) 01:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

If you're reading an article while logged in, there will be a link on the left side of the page, to convert the article to a PDF, which you can save on your computer. It's one of the last links on the bottom. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Picture upload

Hi,

A guest here.

Can someone with the appropriate authorizations please receive from me by mail a serie of photographs I've created and upload them globally & freely, so one can use them within some relevant articles on several language-wikis?

It should be noted that I'm an active editor on some 4 language editions.

Thanks in advance

/O 02:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.0.113.254 (talk) :"...I'm an active editor on some 4 language editions." Then log in with your SUL account and upload them yourself (you can request permission at WP:RFPERM). I assume you know how, but in case not, see WP:UPLOAD. Intelligentsium 03:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC) :::...Why assume I know how...??.. -Well no, I knew not about these options. /O 03:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Never mind; just log in with your SUL account at Commons: and upload them there. Intelligentsium 03:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Aha, thanx. Does it mean I necessarily have to create a registered-account or so? Again - all I requested was that someone with the right authorization get my files through. /Orrling 03:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Admin help please re File:Guitarist.jpg

A new user inadvertently uploaded a different image with this name over an existing image. Would an admin please undo? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, any user (or maybe just rollbackers) can revert this.  Done--Unionhawk 02:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should have tried before asking - thanks for the tip! – ukexpat (talk) 02:54, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete My Page

Tammie Souza (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

How do I delete my entire page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tammie.souza (talk • contribs) 03:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no such thing as your page. All pages belong to the Misplaced Pages community, unless you mean your userpage, in which case you can put {{db-u1}} at the top. Intelligentsium 03:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles can be nominated for deletion, at which point community discussion will work out where we sit. I've noticed that discussion generally takes the subject's wishes into account, but in this case you are very well respected as a weather forecaster, and it may be that the consensus would be to keep the article. You may find some good advice at the help page for biographies of living people, and I would add that if your concern relates to some of the personal information - such as date of birth - that was included in the article, it may be possible to raise that on the talk page, as we do have policies regarding protecting people's privacy. - Bilby (talk) 03:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You could also try the BLP Noticeboard if there are persistent BLP problems with the article. --Bfigura 03:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

As an aside, the editor seems to want to remove information about her son (which seems reasonable, since it's a birthday, which isn't necessarily public info) and her prior acting career (about which I'm less certain -- there appears to be a reference or two supporting it). -- Bfigura 03:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:OVERSIGHT and WP:OTRS would be good links, then, as well. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 21:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Whats with the WP Forever thing

That damn Misplaced Pages forever bar at the top of the site reads like a bad batman movie title. Whose bright idea was it to add that here? And how long is the stupid eyesore going to be around? - Daniel Cordova —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.108.67.131 (talk) 03:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

As long as the foundation wants it to be, but roughly a week I think. You can permanently remove it by going into your preferences, going to gadgets, and selecting the box to hide the banner. -- Bfigura 03:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

...if you have an account. (if I'm not mistaken) Dismas| 05:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

If it helps, none of us who write Misplaced Pages like it much either -- but we can't do much about it. :-( -- llywrch (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Uneditable template?

I want to nominate the template "Tracy Gable films" (e.g. in Boom Town (film)) for deletion, but I can't edit it to add the tag. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It's here. Somehow the edit button got linked to the wrong name. --Bfigura 04:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the name link problem. Clicking the 'e' in the upper left of the box should work now. --Bfigura 04:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Bold Title Automatically

Is there a tool that, when you go to a page where the title isn't bolded, bolds it for you? If not, I just created one. Would anyone try it out? Just put the following script into your monobook.js file. This will add a tab that says bold when you are viewing an article, and when you click on it, it will automatically bold the title.

importScript('User:Btilm/bt.js');

Thanks. Btilm 04:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Btilm, the help desk isn't really the ideal place to post this, it is a page only for questions about using Misplaced Pages. Cheers Spitfire 10:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject User scripts - they have a page where you can add your script for others to use. — QuantumEleven 13:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Lionel David Harry

Dr Lionel David Harry, a bible student from Teamwork University USA achieves Doctorate Of Ministry degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.163.73 (talk) 08:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

• I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

notes and references tutorial.

Could you please help me find the detailed tutorial for notes and references. How are notes and references made. I am trying to finalize a couple of wiki pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bak0ne (talk • contribs) 10:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Citation templates and Misplaced Pages:Footnotes should help. If not, please feel free to ask a more detailed question here. — QuantumEleven 13:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Was this harassment?

 ClosedNot the right place for this. -- Bfigura 05:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I was deeply concerned to discover that another user accused me of harassment, and deleted a post I made about four hours ago to the talk page for the medical cannabis article on that basis. I'd really appreciate an opinion or two as to whether or how I might have been out of line, or whether I can reasonably revert to preserve the comment/query I made there. I addressed the objection and deletion here, btw, on my talk page, and asked the deleting user to restore my post. ( I'd be perfectly happy to edit out the time-of-day observations I made, before reposting, if folks here think that advisable, and if reposting seems appropriate. ) Thanks! Ohiostandard (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually i am more concern with the way User:Viriditas dealt with this..deleting post that did not concern him and a some what of a threatening post to you (Ohiostandard)Buzzzsherman (talk) 17:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Buzzsherman, I suggest you look into this more closely. Medical cannabis has been plagued by trolls, sock puppets, and POV pushers for some time now. Ohiostandard ignored several open threads regarding concerns about the content and launched into a bad faith attack on User:Alfie66, questioning his good work, and asking him to reveal personal information. I have informed Ohiostandard that this is not the place to file a COI notice, and that he should take it to Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Furthermore, Ohiostandard is trying to wikilawyer over outing other editors, and his assessment about the other users edits is in error, as the user has made a significant effort to improve the article, including discussing his edits, usually before making them. Viriditas (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Viriditas, all the facts are already available to people here, so let's allow them to answer the question on their own, please. Because you've stated a preference that our own dialogue should remain on my talk page I'll not reply further here; I am still awaiting your reply on my talk page, however. Opinions on this question from additional editors that neither of us have interacted with most welcome, including contrary opinions, of course. Thanks. Ohiostandard (talk) 01:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Here are the facts: WP:TALK, WP:NPA, WP:COI, WP:SCOIC: "Comment on content, not on the contributor: Keep the discussions focused upon the topic of the talk page, rather than on the personalities of the editors contributing to the talk page....Behavior that is unacceptable: No personal attacks: A personal attack is saying something negative about another person...Never post personal details...The talk page is for discussing improving the article...What is considered to be a personal attack? Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views—regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream. Note that although pointing out an editor's relevant conflict of interest and its relevance to the discussion at hand is not considered a personal attack, speculating on the real life identity of another editor may constitute outing, which is a serious offense...When investigating possible cases of COI editing, Wikipedians must be careful not to reveal the identity of other editors. Misplaced Pages's policy against harassment takes precedence over this guideline on conflict of interest. An editor's conflict of interest is often revealed when that editor discloses a relationship to the subject of the article to which the editor is contributing...Editors with a conflict of interest are permitted to contribute to Misplaced Pages, so long as they abide by other policies and guidelines, including avoiding controversial edits on articles where they have a conflict...The first approach should be direct discussion of the issue with the editor, referring to this guideline...Editors responding to such a COI-compliant suggestion should...Make a polite summary of your concerns on the user's talk page. If persuasion fails, consider whether you are involved in a content dispute. If so, an early recourse to dispute resolution may help. Another option is to initiate discussion at WP:COIN, where experienced editors may be able to help you resolve the matter without recourse to publishing assertions and accusations on Misplaced Pages. Using COI allegations to harass an editor or to gain the upper hand in a content dispute is prohibited, and can result in a block or ban....Misplaced Pages places importance on both the neutrality of articles and the ability of editors to edit pseudonymously. Do not out an editor's real life identity in order to prove a conflict of interest. Misplaced Pages's policy against harassment prohibits this. Suspected conflict of interest incidents may be reported on the conflict of interest noticeboard..." Viriditas (talk) 01:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Once again: All the facts are already available, so let's give people the space to answer the question. Ohiostandard (talk) 05:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

This isn't the appropriate venue. This page exists for questions on how to use wikipedia. I'd ask everyone to take several deep breaths, perhaps have some tea, and if necessary post on Wikiquette alerts or the conflict of interest noticeboard. --Bfigura 05:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I do not want my article merged

Hello,

I am trying to create an article on ANTIQUE Persian carpets. My article has been deleted and threatened to be deleted because of wanting a merger with Persian carpets. How do I keep the content of my article? Can I write an article on antique rugs and include a section on Persian rugs without it being merged? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiquerugs32 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Couple of points: It's not your article, you may have created it but once it's in the mainspace it is freely editable by other editors; if you want to argue against merger, please contribute to the merger discussion. If however the consensus is that it be merged, then it will be merged. – ukexpat (talk) 19:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

And please stop adding inappropriate external links, such as this one, to articles. – ukexpat (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Check the alternative outlets, and see WikiIndex where you might find another wiki with content rules more to your liking. You can edit on as many other wikis as you like, in addition to, or instead of, Misplaced Pages. The wiki whose goals are closest to your own will make you happiest. See Flow (psychology). The greatest satisfaction comes from knowing exactly what to do. Having your worked overruled and second-guessed takes the fun out of it. --Teratornis (talk) 22:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Now we've gone and frightened him, so he's started editing as User:Nazmiyal instead! --Orange Mike | Talk 00:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Donating

Do I get any perks for donating?Accdude92 (talk to me!) (sign) 20:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

• Well, you get that warm feeling from doing something good... also, if you donate more than $1000, you go on the public list of Benefactors - and if you tick the box, you can leave a comment on Real-time donor comments from around the world -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope, just a fuzzy, warm feeling inside. – ukexpat (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Misplaced Pages remains free of any non-voluntary costs and free of ads thanks to its donors. Spitfire 20:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You help keep a great service alive for another year. Isn't that reward enough? Plus, you get that nice feeling of helping someone else in their time of financial need. The sensation of "Hey, I helped" is always FAR GREATER than any monetary or other material reward. Unfortunately, this value - the willingness to help others without anything in return - seems to have been lost on those of the most recent generation. Xenon54 / talk / 20:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't wikipedia get enough donations?Accdude92 (talk to me!) (sign) 20:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Probably - WMF was several million US dollars in the black on their last financial report. But you have to use common sense: if they had enough money, they wouldn't be asking for donations (and they definitely wouldn't be plastering "Misplaced Pages FOREVER" all over the place). If everyone thought "eh, enough other people donate, so I don't have to this year", then there wouldn't be any donations. Xenon54 / talk / 21:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has by far the lowest operating costs of any other Web site of similar popularity (such as Google and Yahoo!), but running Misplaced Pages still costs money. Misplaced Pages is like a helicopter hovering in flight. It can stay aloft as long as it has more fuel to burn. Even if there is plenty of fuel in the tank now, getting more fuel buys more time. Also, having lots of small donors probably makes it easier for WMF to attract some large donors. The many small donors give credibility to the project. In any case, charitable giving is not something a person needs to be talked into. To some people, giving to causes they believe in is the obvious thing to do. To those people we owe all progress. So I say thanks to all of Misplaced Pages's donors. --Teratornis (talk) 22:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Scaling svg files

Hi, I was interested in looking at the graphic on http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Wikimedia-servers-2009-04-05.svg, but a lot of the text is too small to be legible. Because this is an svg image I assume that it should be possible to expand it to any size, and hence read the text, but I can't figure out how to do this. I don't want to download the file, and don't see why I should have to -- and in any case I don't, as far as I know, have any software that could display it. I'm using IE 8. Any ideas anyone? 21:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.242.27 (talk)

You can go to the file's page on Wikimedia Commons (:Commons:File:Wikimedia-servers-2009-04-05.svg), where there is an option to render the svg as a png in various sizes, the largest of which is 2000px wide (3 times wider than the average computer desktop). Hopefully, IE will allow you to zoom in on the png and make it readable - though be warned: I wouldn't put anything past Microsoft when it comes to IE displaying stuff correctly. Xenon54 / talk / 22:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that works fine. Since the image is currently not fully usable at http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Wikimedia-servers-2009-04-05.svg, I was going to transfer the list of higher-resolution links to that page from http://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Wikimedia-servers-2009-04-05.svg but I don't see how it's been done. Have you any ideas on that? 86.152.242.27 (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC).

I think that's a software feature (as opposed to something inserted using wikicode) and is thus only available on the wiki that the image is uploaded to. So that wouldn't be possible, sorry. Xenon54 / talk / 22:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem (as often) is IE8 - the svg is actually (1,200 × 1,290 pixels), but the page shows a reduced view - if I click the image (in FF3.5) I get the full size picture - all IE8 does is offer to download the image. BTW Inkscape (freeware) will display svg files if you do download them  Ronhjones  23:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how the problem is IE's. As you say, the svg is nominally 1,200 × 1,290 pixels. I assume these values are coded into the svg. The graphic displayed at http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Wikimedia-servers-2009-04-05.svg is actually a png, which I assume has been created from the svg by Misplaced Pages software. This png is apparently 558 x 600 pixels. So, Misplaced Pages seems to have ignored the specified size in the svg file (presumably set large precisely so that it is legible) and inappropriately chosen a smaller size. However, it's possible I may be totally misunderstanding what's going on. 86.150.102.78 (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC).

That is merely the preview image, which is smaller than the full size (this is true also of raster images, which are displayed smaller than their native resolutions). To see the full size image you click the link below, which will load the actual file. In most browsers this works fine, but Internet Explorer, to my knowledge, still lacks SVG support, which is why it tries to download the file to disk rather than display it in browser. As mentioned above if you go to the same file description page on Commons you get additional options to view "SVG rendered as PNG images in different resolutions" – 200px, 500px, 1000px and 2000px. For example, the 2000px version can be viewed here. Regards, AJCham 12:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, I see what you mean. It would be helpful if IE had native support for svg files, but, pending that, it might also be helpful if Misplaced Pages honoured the recommended size in its preview rendering. 86.150.102.78 (talk) 14:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC).

Messages

How do you find out who has been editing a page and send messages to them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anakiniman (talk • contribs) 23:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The history tab at the top of the page, and then go to the user's talk page and post an new section, signing your message with ~~~~. Ks0stm 23:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

See more at Help:Page history and Help:Talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

November 14

Editing Problems

I don't know how to edit some please help! (Darkspartan4121 (talk) 02:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)) Lol you faill!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkspartan4121 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Editing. Ks0stm 02:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

You seem to have figured it out without this. Intelligentsium 03:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

A short, but not bad, article

I have edited an article which is about as short as a stub, but it is only short because there isn't any more encyclopedic information that can be added to the article. It doesn't need cleanup, and it doesn't have any unsourced fancruft or anything of the like. Should it still be assessed as stub-class, even though (in my opinion) it is better quality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akrabbim (talk • contribs)

Yep. No date of birth, place of birth, family information, educational background? Definitely a stub. Biographies are about more than discography! --Orange Mike | Talk 02:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I guess there still is a lot missing. I guess just because it isn't poorly written or there isn't cleanup required doesn't matter if there are large amounts of information missing. Thanks. —Akrabbim 04:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Researching obscure bios

As a follow-up question, how would someone go about finding that sort of information? He doesn't have any kind of official bio written about him. I would like to know for some other bios, especially ones like Matt Thiessen, where early life/birthday is mentioned, but there is no source I could find that supplies that info. All the searching I have done only comes up with crappy Misplaced Pages mirrors. —Akrabbim 04:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

This is a common problem. If you don't want to peruse local libraries, than Google scholar and google books are usually good methods. Worldcat can also be very useful. If you can't find any books or industry magazine that mention him, then basically, it's waiting until someone writes about him. :( —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Poor editing!

I made a rather clumsy edit with poor choice of words. And I think that there is a proper way to add such information. Would anyone take a look and comment? Feel free to edit the line. (PS: Should the word book be replaced by the word novel?) --Siddhant (talk) 07:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Otheruses Ks0stm 08:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Not poor editing at all, a simple mistake, but thats all. I've used {{Distinguish2|the novel of the same name by David Morrell}}, if you follow the link to Template:Distinguish2 and read the template documentation, I think you'll find it very useful incase you have future need of such templates. Hope this helps you, cheers Spitfire 09:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

re: pictures

I have written two previous questions about copyrights. May I now ask general questions.

I am writing a psychology book and I want to make many references to psychologists such as Sigmund Freud, Carl Rogers, Aaron Beck, etc. by placing their pictures in my book.

1. Are pictures of faces copyrighted? 2. I have written to their websites to ask permission but they have not replied. Am I now free to place their pictures while acknowledging the URL where their pictures are found?

Thank you.

Gonzalo B. Misa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzalobmisa (talk • contribs) 13:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

1. Yes images of faces are copyrighted.
2. No, lack of response does not nullify the copyright. You NEED permission of the original photographer/owner of the image.

You can use advanced Google search to specify that you are looking for images that have a license that allows reuse of an image or even commercial use of an image. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

You can also contact something like Getty Images and buy photo's from them. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Copytright Question??

Am i allowed to use the pictures on wikepedia?? I need to use quite a few pictures. i need your permission for my ict dida unit course, and if i can use the pictures and edit some of them using photoshop?

please could you reply as soon as possible

Dipali

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See Misplaced Pages:Reusing Misplaced Pages content for more information on using Misplaced Pages content in other applications. With pictures, you must carefully check each picture's lisence. Some pictures are license under Misplaced Pages's CC-BY-SA or GFDL copy-left lisences, and have fairly easy reuse guidelines. Other pictures are used under "Fair Use" claims, and cannot be used outside of Misplaced Pages, as their copyright is held by places outside of Misplaced Pages. So, please read all of the relevent policies VERY carefully, and check each image file's information page (click the picture to see it) for full details on reusing images. --Jayron32 15:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Edits not saved

Someone kindly created a page on me unfortunately it does not state some matters that are more significant and above all its out of date. I left it alone for a couple of years but my daughter has persuaded me that its important to get it right. So I created a new page yesterday and saved it and previewed a couple of times but it did not work - the previous page is just as it was. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.163.18 (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

We will be able to help you better, if you can tell us the name or topic of the page. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

My name is Tariq Modood Sotm (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, this is a link to the discussion page of the article about your persona. I advice you to indicate any mistakes in the article right there. It is best if you can post links to newspaper articles, books or other reliable sources that can be used to verify these facts. Editing the article about yourself is usually discouraged due to our conflicts of interest guideline. If you do decide to edit, you should read that guideline and prepare your edits well. If you feel you need help getting your article sorted out, you can follow this guide that will help and direct you to people that will help you or take care of the problem. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you thats helpful. I think the best thing is if I send what I think is a better and updated article about myself and others can edit it etc and put it on the Misplaced Pages page. Can I send it as an email attachment to you? Or to whom? Sotm (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, we'd encourage you to follow TheDJ's suggestion and post your comments to Talk:Tariq Modood. Misplaced Pages is a collaborative encyclopedia, edited by many people from all over the world, and comments should be in a public place where everyone can see them, rather than emailed to one specific person. GlassCobra 17:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that. Sotm (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Copying and Pasting a Misplaced Pages Article

Whenever I copy and paste a Misplaced Pages Article to a Word document, the "blue" words do not get transferred: Instead, what gets transferred is the web address of the Misplaced Pages article about the topic represented by the blue words. I'd like to be able to paste the original words, not the linkage. What do I need to do to allow this? (I'm on a Mac, if that matters.) Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasPopper (talk • contribs) 16:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

If you post information about the browser+version and the microsoft word version that you are using, I can try and help, but it depends if I have that installed on my computer. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a Mac, but here are some things to try:

• The PC version of Microsoft Word has a paste as text option which strips out all the markup. Maybe the Mac version has a similar option.
• Another option on the PC is to paste into any text editor program. On the PC an example would be Notepad (Windows). On the Mac you might try TextEdit. You might have to figure out how to tell TextEdit that you want a plain text file. Once you get a plain text file, you can copy from there and paste into Word.
• Lynx (web browser) displays pages in plain text format. It is extremely plain but that is what you want here.

If you don't get a good answer here, ask again on Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Computing. --Teratornis (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

It will depend on your version of Word. Early versions did not support html, later ones do. If I select part of a page and copy into my Word - I get all the blue link words (and when I hover the mouse over a blue link) up pops a box that shows the link, with "ctrl+click to follow link". Alternatively if you select Edit... Paste Special from the menu, then you can just select "Unformatted Text" to paste the page with no links and or web addresses. My Word version is Word 2003.  Ronhjones  18:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do is go to the article you'd like to copy, click on the link for "Printable version", which is the bottommost link on the toolbox on the lefthand side of the page. The resulting page will be able to be copied and pasted with no links. By the way, if you want to get rid of links in Word for Mac documents that have been transferred from the web, highlight the linked text and click Apple+K → remove link. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Size of Photo

I successfully uploaded a photo into an article I am editing...but the photo is larger than I would like on the final saved page. I used photoshop and reduced the size of the image, and uploaded a second version, but the size remained the same on the new saved page.

How do I reduce the size of the image?

Buckyboot (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I assume you mean "Elijah C. Wadhams". Your first photo was 900 × 1,162 pixels, and the second was 600 × 775 pixels. Note: You did not need to create a new photo page - you could have uploaded the smaller one onto the same page - it would have replaced the original. You may want to consider deleting one of them. The size of the picture shown is not fixed by the uploaded file, it's fixed by the "Image" line in the Article, which you have set at 325px - make that smaller and the picture will be smaller (or remove the size completely and it will revert to a default thumb).  Ronhjones  18:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you - that worked Buckyboot (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW: How do I delete a photo from my gallery? Buckyboot (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain what you mean by "gallery"? Plymouth, Pennsylvania has no gallery in the sense of the word I just linked, which is the sense I think many regulars would interpet it. If you mean how do I delete an image I uploaded locally, just go the image and place {{db-g7}}. An admin will then most likely delete it in a short time (in rare cases G7 requests are refused where the article or image is considered useful to be retained).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully A Fresh New Pair Of Eyes

A few days ago, I asked

You know how typing

== Thingamajig ==

will display a headline, then an edit box to the right, that you can click on ("edit" is in blue and square bracketed).

How do I do this, but I don't want it to show up in the table of contents and you can't actually click on the "" to edit the section (the color should be retained).

I've got a few answers, but they had a few variations:

{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}
<font size = 4> Section Header </font>
{{col-break}}
<span style ="align:right"></span>
{{col-end}}
----

Jayron32

<pre><h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Header">Header</span></h2></pre>
<h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Header">Header</span></h2>

If the anchor is not needed, don't use spantag.

Gadget850

Anyone have any ideas or know how to fix the problems?

I have my own idea. I could use a table:

• Table has 2 columns; 1 row
• Put <span style ="align:right"></span> on the right column
• Put <font size = 4>Section Header</font> in the left column

But I need the table to have no color, no borders. No formatting in other words. How do I do that?174.3.111.148 (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

November 15

User Page

I have recently changed my name but all or my previous edit counts, contributions are gone and I can't upload anything. Is there someway I can get it all back? Colleen16 (talk) 02:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

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