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Done - if you need it doing again, please tell me. Izehar (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

vandalism unit

Misplaced Pages:Counter Vandalism Unit (it's linked from the actual box on my page, lol) ;)

{{user CVU1-en}} is the template though you can have {{user CVU2-en}} instead which does the same thing just looks slightly different :)

It's definitely not "mine" its just a wikipedia thing in general, I only joined yesterday myself. and of course no problems with borrowing/copying anything from my page :)--Mistress Selina Kyle 18:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

grr, you moved my reply just after I had made it Izehar.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 18:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Dragutin

"Knjiga Kotromanići vol. II je izvor za ono o Dragutinu. Pogledaću ko je napisao..."

Ok, samo bih te zamolio da mi citiraš rečenicu iz te knjige gde piše da je Ugrin Čak bio Dragutinov vazal, ako ti nije problem. Nemam sad vremena da idem da tražim tu knjigu u biblioteci, a ako je ti imaš pri ruci, mogao bi mi napisati citat o tome. PANONIAN (talk) 19:13, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Serbophobia

I think that everybody should express his or her own opinion without the consent of another person. I wouldn’t mind even if you voted “strong keep”. But, I believe that the only way for the article Serbophobia to remain in Misplaced Pages is to say this:

“Serbophobia is how Serbian dictators have named the movements of invaded people for freedom and democracy. It is a racist point of view of those who have been leaders of the Serbian state, trying to apply the expansionist project 'Nacertanija', which envisages the occupation of Albanian lands down to Shkumbin river."

However, it is better not to write about Serbophobia, because it something ridiculous that denigrates the values of wikipedia.--Albanian since Stone Age 19:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Albanians

I have already changed my user page. Now I located Prishtina in Kosova, and I feel like Kosova will become an independent state soon. This should hurt anyone because it is not an nationalist vision, but a compromise for the Albanians and the Serbs living together in one country. But, it is also fair to believe that Kosova should belong in Albania because of the history and the ethnic Albanian majority there. I thank you too for being nice.--Albanian since Stone Age 07:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

What do you think about the article I recenlty published? It is about the Albanian exodus.--Albanian since Stone Age 07:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

HolyRomanEmperor, I didn't have time to contribute in Misplaced Pages last 3-4 days. I read your article about Duklja. It is a good iniciative in general, to add information about former Balkan states. However, I think that would look better if you call Dioclea a medieval state ruled by a Serbian (or Slavic) dynasty. The population was heterogenous.

I'm also having problems signing in and using my wikipedia account. I may open another one, perhaps!--Getoar

Srb

I found information long time ago but I re-searched intrenet: http://members.tripod.com/cafehome/arhiviII.htm Luka Jačov 21:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean when you say "Serbian nationalist tendencies"? Won't write it, have no time for more edit wars... Nikola 06:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Alija Izetbegovic and Young Muslims

Hi there,

In the Alija Izetbegović article you added:

As such, while it was not officially pro-fascist in orientation, the Young Muslims generally supported the Nazi/Ustaše efforts.

I heard this claim before and looked into it, and it appears that others have too (see talk page of the Izetbegović article). As far as I can see, this claim is inaccurate. This claim has been added and removed quite a few times before, with one side stating it is fact and the other calling it 'Serb propaganda'. I think this statement is best left out unless accompanied with a strong reference, otherwise it will keep going edit, revert, edit, revert and not really helping anything.

If you have found some new evidence then please detail it in the talk page so it can be assessed and we can reach a consensus. It is better for the Misplaced Pages community if we reach a consensus instead of bickering, plus we can avoid the article having a POV notice added to it again. If we can't reach a consensus, it's better to leave controversial statements to the talk page IMHO.

Just my two cents, no offence intended at all and I'm not taking sides here. -- Buyoof 15:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I know that there were numerious SS Balias that were produced to fight for the Independent State of Croatia. I'll look for sources... -- HolyRomanEmperor 15:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

That is correct. However, the Muslims that joined the SS division did so of their own accord, and did so against the (anti-nationalist, pro-Ummah) teachings of the Young Muslims. It is therefore unfair to associate Young Muslims with the Nazis/Ustaša as they did not encourage Muslims to join such nationalist movements. -- Buyoof 15:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Correct. But they previously were; so it deserves a mention (but a re-phrasing) No? HolyRomanEmperor 15:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe there is some confusion over terminology here. By Muslims I meant the Misplaced Pages definition of Muslim, not members of the Young Muslims movement. It is true, as you say, that some members of the Muslim faith went against their religion in joining the SS. However this does not include members of the Young Muslims movement -- regarded as "radical" in those days -- which advocated the idea of Ummah and that nationalism was an evil.

The fact that some Bosnian Muslims joined these SS divisions does deserve a mention, but probably in an article about Bosniaks rather than the Alija Izetbegović article, since those Muslims that did so would not have been members of the Young Muslims movement.

So basically what I am saying is; it is inaccurate to say that the Young Muslims supported Nazis/Ustaša because, while other members of the Muslim faith may have done so, the Young Muslims and it's members did not. -- Buyoof 16:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for the improper re-insertion of the data. :( HolyRomanEmperor 16:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem at all. I learnt a great deal about the history as a result of this, so it was worth it. All the best :) -- Buyoof 16:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Headlines

Holy, I know you're a talkative guy (your comments are on everyone's talk pages), but I'd just like to turn your attention to the existence of small tab on every article – if you intend to start a brand new topic about something, it's preferred to assign a new headline/heading to it. Currently, it's difficult to follow whether you're replying to someone or starting entirely new stuff. Keep up on good job & regards. Duja 16:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid I probably shouldn't vote yet (as I'm a friend), I'll vote later. Do not advertise the fact that you are requesting adminship - the people who regularly vote on these things don't like it. Good Luck anyway. Izehar (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Tell me, now that you are a member of the CVU, you should check out WP:US. There are some very helpful tools there. Izehar (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Duklja, administrator

Evo, podržao sam te za administratora. Što se tiče Duklje, Saša nije dobro razumeo, nisam rekao da mi se ne sviđaju tvoje izmene u tom članku. Kad smo pričali na ircu, Saša mi je samo rekao da si ti napisao taj članak, a ja sam rekao da si ga ti samo dopunio, jer članak postoji odavno. Dakle, izmene su ok. Nego, primetio sam da postoje dva članka o drugom srpskom ustanku, pa ako imaš vremena i ako te to zanima, možda bi mogao da ih spojiš u jedan, a da od onog drugog napraviš redirekt. Ja nemam sada vremena da to uradim. PANONIAN (talk) 18:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

:)

Nadam se da nisi ovo: I think this user is a hard-line Serb nationalist Emir Arven.

Svetlana Miljkovic 20:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Popitaj Emira Arvena sama. --VKokielov 23:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your Request for Adminship

I have removed your RfA early. I took this action because the amount of oppose votes (15 at the time of the RfA's closing) as compared to the amount of support votes (8 at the time of the RfA's closing) was high enough that a consensus could not be reasonably expected to be reached by the posted RfA deadline. Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 05:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ostrvo Šolta

Nije nikakav problem da se i ovo ostrvo uključi u Paganiju, ali ne znam da li je to tačno. Na mapi iz mog istorijskog atlasa koji sam koristio kao uzor za ovu mapu, ostrvo Šolta je nacrtano kao vizantijski posed. Dakle, sporno je da li je pripadalo Paganiji. Istraži to malo bolje ako želiš, pa ako budeš siguran da je pripadalo Paganiji, a ne Vizantiji, lako ćemo ispraviti mapu. PANONIAN (talk) 21:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

U redu, ionako sam nameravao da tu sliku ovih dana zamenim sa png verzijom, pa ću dodati Paganiji i ostrvo Šolta. PANONIAN (talk) 13:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC)