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The result was keep. Tone 14:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
DenyHosts
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There is a notability claim here and a single reference. I think this is too weak to sustain this article. Miami33139 (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
weak keepI find lots of discussion on blogs and fora by apparently technically competent people, the kind of widespread discussion that while no one link indicates notability, en masse tends to (but perhaps not by Misplaced Pages rules). I found one university page on this software, and several pages from commercial firms that might be considered reliable sources, and appear to be independent. I have added these to the external links section. There ought to be a way to source this kind of widely used open-source software that will not be much written about in traditional published secondary sources. DES 22:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)- Keep in light of Pcap's additions. DES 05:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment. I had deprodded this article and added the O'Reilly book ref before the AfD; true it's only a 3-page coverage, but what can you expect for software like this? Perhaps merge all of them (e.g. together with Fail2ban) in some overview article, perhaps intrusion prevention system? Pcap ping 01:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, Fail2ban has zero gbooks hits. It's all sourced from HowtoForge and the like; there's no shortage of that kind of articles for DenyHosts either freesoftwaremagazine.com, ubuntugeek.com, howtoforge, but being covered in a book coverage seemed more significant. Pcap ping 01:40, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Also played a central role in this elreg story. Pcap ping 01:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. I think notability has been established after adding this. Pcap ping 02:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, weakly: even though this sort of thing is too much with us, this seems to be the subject of genuinely independent commentary. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was already deleted. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Kieran Nichol
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Can't find any sources for this name, the only news source for the name is from 2005 and is unrelated to any "megaluf episode" (this which was the only news story related to magaluf of note in my search.) RandomTime 22:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete (per my tag which is still on the page); I don't think inserting the word "famous" in an article makes a credible assertion of notability. No sources. My own checking shows that, if there in fact is a Kieran Mark Nichol, he is not a remotely famous philosopher or scholar. --Glenfarclas (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per above. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to I Am Canadian#Parodies. I see no harm in keeping the redirect here. Tone 14:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
I Am Not Canadian
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I can't find significant coverage for this video radio broadcast. Joe Chill (talk) 21:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- It wasn't a video, for starters; it was a radio broadcast that later circulated in MP3. That said, I don't think it really warrants an article either; it's had no real lasting cultural impact in its own right. It demonstrates the fact that there were parodies of the I Am Canadian beer ad, but we can do that just as easily by mentioning them briefly in the real ad's article. I heard at least five others besides this one ("I Am a Newfoundlander", "I Am a Torontonian", etc.); none of them are notable in their own right either. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 02:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Bearcat Dbrodbeck (talk) 03:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Per above Kyle1278 03:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I was going to suggest a merge and redirect to I Am Canadian but it's already mentioned there. PKT(alk) 20:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete and possible redirect to I Am Canadian#Parodies, per Bearcat. Airplaneman 21:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge as per PKT and Bearcat DRosin (talk) 21:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge significant bits to I Am Canadian#Parodies, as above. This was quite popular for a time, but its popularity stems primarily from the original I Am Canadian ad. Mindmatrix 21:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to I Am Canadian#Parodies. -- œ 07:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 15:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Steve Thornton (baseball)
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Non-notable minor league baseball player/manager. Alex (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Speedy delete G7, "author requests deletion" It appears that the nominator is the same guy who created the article in the first place.Mandsford (talk) 03:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)- Comment DO NOT SPEEDY DELETE. I put these up for AfD to GENERATE DISCUSSION about possible deletion, not to get speedily deleted. By allowing these to be AfD rather than G7, it gives time for an article to be saved and for more than one person to decide whether or not an article stays or goes. Alex (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I misunderstood. I tend to agree that Thornton would not be notable under WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage. As with Jose Capellan, he did not play higher than the Class A minor leagues, and he did not manage a team at higher than that level. The debate on some other articles suggests a lack of understanding about what "Class A" means, but it's kind of the lowest level for players who aren't rookies. There are higher levels (double-A, triple-A, and then the majors). For those who don't know what those terms mean, "rookies" are people who are new to professional baseball, and "the majors" are the American League and the National League, the two highest levels of pro baseball in the United States. Mandsford (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough exists on this person to make article worthwhile. --Spanneraol (talk) 04:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. May need cleanup but not deletion. Tone 14:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
David Romero Ellner
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one sided WP:Attack article. 80% of the sources used in the article are opinion pieces or obscure limited circulation magazines which are not WP:RS Cathar11 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. The negative material in the article is, subject to exceptions, sourced. I'm not saying there aren't necessarily any POV or reliability concerns about the article, but deletion is not appropriate. He's notable and and G10 does not apply - the negative material is generally well sourced. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Automatically notable as a member or former member of the country's parliament. - Eastmain (talk) 00:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Sources are poor, and in some cases fail verification. See cite #5: http://archivo.laprensa.hn/ez/index.php/laprensa_user/ediciones/2003/12/31/2003_dejo_tres_diputados_presos_y_otro_profugo completely fails verification as it does not even have the name of the person being supposedly referenced by source. The majority of these are either opinion or low circulation and/or self published sources. Not good for a biography and certainly not in line with standards for Misplaced Pages's BLP policy. Moogwrench (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. The La Prensa article appears to spell his name wrong (as "David Romero Eller" rather than "Ellner"), but the name is present in the article. - Eastmain (talk) 13:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, I am seeing a good deal of secondary source coverage. Which is not to say the article should not be heavily cleaned up, it should. The appropriate place to post to get some help with that, would be WP:BLPN. Cirt (talk) 14:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: Whoa here ... this fellow was a member of a national parliament. That's a prima facie keep under WP:BIO, done deal. As far as the sources being "poor," La Prensa is Honduras' largest circulating newspaper and El Heraldo is run by the same ownership group. There seems to be a misunderstanding about WP:BLP and WP:ATTACK, neither of which mean or say that the preponderance of an article's text can't be negative. In any event, that's a content dispute, which is inappropriate for AfD. Ravenswing 08:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg 02:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
John Yettaw
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Despite the subject of this BLP's having been involved in notable events (namely, the "Suu Kyi trespasser incidents") he yet remains, at least to this point in time, a non-public person of no notability independent from those events, whose biographical details gleaned from press reports seem rather speculative and gossipy to me. ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 21:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per my nomination. (Also see Talk:John Yettaw#I have nominated this article for deletion..., Talk:Suu Kyi trespasser incidents#Biography section problems and Misplaced Pages:Coatrack#The_Attack_Article.)↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 22:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 02:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge to Suu Kyi trespasser incidents. This dumb sonovabitch wasn't independently notable outside of ruining her chance for freedom. Mandsford (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep and revert to its previous form. Please review Misplaced Pages:NOTABILITY. The Yettaw article passes the test: A) "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content; B) "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline; C) "Sources", for notability purposes, should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability; D) "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc.; E) "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion. Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets this criterion, it is not appropriate for a standalone article. For example, such an article may violate what Misplaced Pages is not. This article meets each of those guidelines. The article has no original research, all citations are from independent, reliable sources that are not published by Yettaw, and the article violates nothing in What Misplaced Pages is Not. Moreover, this article is well-referenced, accurate and details a historic and influential series of events. Kingturtle (talk) 02:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep as per Kingturtle. DES 15:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Tony Dokoupil (Newsweek) is truly a gifted journalist----but w/regard Yettaw, too gifted, in a way, able to swell up vague recollections by John Yettaw's former family members into an ostensible background for the man. Just one example (of scores of details of this nature): Dorris Brochu (Monrovia, California) says something to the effect of that former son-in-law John Yettaw was a no-good who lay about the house all day, his contractor's license an unused piece of paper...whereas chatter I have read indicates him to have constructed and sold a number of properties in Cali and also in Missouri! In any case, IMHO, just as the former WP article for Jeffrey Vernon Merkey could not pass muster with regard to "do no harm," repetition of vaguely researched gossip about John William Yettaw is not ethical, important to be covered, necessary to be read as part of WP's line-up of encyclopedically researched and verified biographies of living persons. Yettaw remains a mystery. For example, is he a Vietnam veteran? Misplaced Pages and Dokoupil say no (viz):
-- whereas CNN's "American Morning" co-host/anchor Kiran Chetry says yes:"According to family members, Yettaw was a veteran of the Vietnam War with nearly two years of battle experience, and was once wounded in action. However, records from the National Personnel Records Center show that he was stationed in West Germany, not Vietnam"
IMO Yettaw's background pretty much remains his personal business, its not yet having passed into anything approximating "verified and accurate, public knowledge" at all. Note the quote by the associate of Yettaw's that Dirk Vanderhart and Susan Saulny (The New York Times) used in the following:"Motivated by visions, the retired bus driver and Vietnam vet wanted to do something to bring attention to the plight of the Myanmar people. But the plan met with objections from his family."
Despite the fact that, as M.J. Stephey (Dec. 8th Time magazine) has written, Yettaw has become "a magnet for international scorn and speculation" . . ."Mr. Webb described him after the release as 'not a well man' but also added: 'I believe what happened was regrettable. He was trying to help. He’s not a mean-spirited human being.' ¶ Mr. Yettaw’s neighbors and friends said they had been praying for his safety, even while they do not fully understand what happened in Myanmar or why he went. Some thought the trip had to do with graduate studies in psychology, or perhaps a book Mr. Yettaw told them he wanted to write. ¶ 'I’ll be glad to see him back,' said one friend, Michael Assel, a retired Navy officer. 'I would not question his motives like so many people have done. In my opinion, it’s just his business. He got in trouble and for a while, it looked like he wouldn’t get home, but he did, so I’m happy about that.'"
↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 23:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)“Misplaced Pages is nota vehicle for propaganda. Therefore, content hosted in Misplaced Pages is not forcandal mongering or gossip. Articles about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy. Articles should not be written purely to attack the reputation of another person.”
---WP:NOTSCANDAL - Keep He has played an historically significant role, with a great number of major international sources to show it. the role is signifiant enough to be a major factor in any historical coverage of Burmese politics of the period. The article needs to discuss his role --the amount of personal detail in the present version seems excessive DGG ( talk ) 03:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
List of Nostalgia Chick episodes
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List of web clips from somebody who isn't notable. no sources, no claims of notability, no list item is notable. Jac16888 21:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep - I'll add what I can to the article in the near future (although I'm on holiday and don't have a lot of time right now). Lindsay Ellis, the Nostalgia Chick, is an internet celebrity with a popular series and is therefore notable. Googling for Nostalgia Chick, Lindsay Ellis or even Nostalgia Chick Lindsay Ellis should confirm that. It seems reasonable to me to have a list of episodes on Misplaced Pages. (Also, it should be pointed out that this is a list of episodes, with a defined beginning and end; the term "web clips" could be read as a loaded term in implying incompleteness on inconsequentialty.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- The creator of the series doesn't even have an article, if she's so notable then perhaps an article should be created for her or for the show itself before we even think of having a list of episodes. As for your google links, they don't suggest any notability in the slightest, the top 3 hits are facebook, myspace and Twitter - not a good sign, and most of the rest are blogs, forums and reposts of the video themselves.--Jac16888 17:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think we should have a Nostalgia Chick page which includes a list of episodes, the list of episodes shouldn't have a stand-alone article in my opinion. I dunno if there are any wikipedia rules about lists having stand-alone articles or such, that's just my opinion.
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- Comment: I've modified the article a little so it has more information and some references. I don't don't think it can be moved during the AfD but, assuming it's kept, it could simply beome "Nostalgia Chick" instead of a stand alone list. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 20:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Which would be fine, were the list of episodes either removed, or stubbed massively, since the content is basically junk--Jac16888 20:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:WEB, WP:V, WP:RS. There may be cause for an article on this person, but not for a list of their youtube videos. (Note: please do not interpret this vote as an invitation to create an article on this person). Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Delete, the series would seem to fail WP:WEB, so it follows that a list of its episodes would also fail the notability criteria. Lankiveil 06:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC).
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The Elevator Men
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Fails WP:BAND. Only possible criterion is number nine, and I do not believe that this music competition is a major music competition (note, for example, that there were only 30 registered attendees). Singularity42 (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:N. Since winning battle of the bands, the play for friends and family. Notable bands play for audiences who choose to attend. Pburka (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this band. Joe Chill (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete as per Singularity42 DRosin (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. based on WP:N concerns JForget 01:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
HairMax LaserComb
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Non-notable product, paid editing spam. Brandon (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep or redirect to Baldness treatments. It's hard to call this spam since it's critical of the product. The product has received quite a bit of press coverage; LA TimesCNETNY Post. Pburka (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have no objections to a redirect to baldness treatments, where the product was already neutrally covered before the creation of the article. This seems like the best option. Brandon (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- I am the primary author of the article on the HairMax LaserComb. For the record, we do not understand the reason for this deletion. The original article without the extensive biased deletions, was factual, had footnotes that could be verified as to source and was not opinionated in any way. We believe that there was an alleged conscious effort to alter the article to bias the content against the product.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Namllits2002 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC) — Namlilts2002 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- The original article was paid editing spam. Since then editors have made the article more neutral but I'm not convinced the product is actually notable. Brandon (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Notability does not appear to have been established, and the tone of the comment by the primary editor above seems to confirm that this article was created by an organization closely involved with the product rather than a disinterested individual. --DAJF (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep it, it's a good article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.225.135 (talk) 07:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete There is nothing here to establish notability. Google search reveals the company's own website and a few blog comments. --MelanieN (talk) 03:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN
- Delete. Notability does not appear to have been established after all this time, and the article is being used as a promotional vehicle. --DAJF (talk) 05:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Snow White and the Seven Clever Boys
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Contested PROD OrangeDog (τ • ε) 20:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Non-notable "cartoon": as far as I can tell it was actually video game, but I can find only the most passing mentions on a couple of forums and a couple of YouTube videos (you can watch it
- Delete. Can't find anything either. PROD was removed without addressing above concerns. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 20:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete -- I'm not sure if I need to say anything more since it's my PROD that is reprinted above. Thanks
ofto OrangeDog for listing this-- Glenfarclas (talk) 21:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC) - Delete: Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- StarLegacy (talk) 02:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC) Hi, I was the creator of the Snow White and the Seven Clever Boys page. I'd like to know what the page is missing, as it is being nominated for deletion. I was able to fix the fact that the cartoon was labeled a game and all that.
- It's not what the page is missing (though it's not going to be up for WP:GA anytime soon), it's what the page's subject is missing—notability.
- Comment: Page has been moved to Snow White and the 7 Clever Boys, and more information has been added. MrKIA11 (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 14:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
List of Ask That Guy with the Glasses episodes
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List of web clips of somebody who isn't notable answering stupid questions, no sources, no claims of notability, nothing worth keeping Jac16888 20:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:WEB. The main article That Guy with the Glasses should probably go too. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- That Guy with the Glasses is a popular website which people may want information for. Why delete it? -HaiyaTheWin (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - (edit conflict) While the notability of That Guy With the Glasses has been established, there has already been a consensus to delete List of Bum Reviews With Chester A. Bum episodes, about another series by the same creator, and the same arguments made there also apply here.--Unscented (talk) 21:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- While I can see, I suppose, deleting the episode list, deleting the main article like Starblind said I don't like. I don't see any reason to, and plenty of reason not to: people want to be able to look up TGWTG! -HaiyaTheWin (talk) 21:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 19:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Susan Walker
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Article about a fictional person which does not state notability at all. RWJP (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, possibly redirect to the article about Liam Kyle Sullivan who portrays this fictional character. --MelanieN (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
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- Merge
and redirectto Liam Kyle Sullivan. The actor is notable, but the character isn't notable enough for an article of her own. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC) - Delete or dab. Do not just redirect. Susan Walker Fitzgerald is a much more notable Susan Walker, and deserves to be disambiguated on any Susan Walker page. Pburka (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I would support the creation of such a disambiguation page, given the notability of Susan Walker Fitzgerald and Sue Walker. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 21:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. No notability independent of the creator. Ironholds (talk) 21:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 19:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Prince Regent Theatre
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Contested PROD; notability claimed as "the smallest theatre in Britain" but not substantiated. Apart from that, it's completely unsourced, and since PROD'ded, hasn't been improved. Rodhullandemu 01:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this company. Joe Chill (talk) 01:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Suggest merge into Freddie Eldrett, the principal founder. The theatre is also known as the Prince Regent Intimate Theatre and a search under that name that produces some results, such as event listings and people who worked there. Cjc13 (talk) 15:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete I can't find any significant coverage. I can find coverage for the Prince Regent Theatre in Munich, but not Hampshire. I would suggest a merge with Freddie Eldrett but on looking at the page I am not sure if that page has sufficient notability either. If some better sources come up, then I would change my mind but as it stands this should be deleted. Also if it is kept I think the list of shows should be removed, unless that is common on pages about theatres. DRosin (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- There is some coverage as "Prince Regent Intimate Theatre". Cjc13 (talk) 11:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Telepath RPG Chapter One
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These articles are about a videogame series that does not appear to meet WP:GNG. In addition, they are poorly sourced and written primarily in an in-universe style. Misplaced Pages isn't a game guide. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related page for the same reasons:
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- Delete. Non-notable web game(s) and an attempt to turn Misplaced Pages into a game guide. I42 (talk) 20:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I can't find a single independent reliable source. Hobit (talk) 02:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete maybe even speedy. Wiki is not a game guide. DRosin (talk) 21:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 02:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Comparison of pastebins
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none of these websites have a wp article. too much text to dump into the pastebin article. there is no reason for wp to have this table. we ain't a general review site to create tables comparing nn websites. this belongs on some other wiki. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:NOT, WP:OR, and WP:N. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - Good list of pastebins for users searching for one, no reason to delete. After all, this is a comparison list. -- Jordan "Eck" Samuel (talk) 05:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note - this user has made significant contributions to this article. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 13:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note - Indeed, it is everyones job to do so. This is wikipedia, not half-arsepedia.-- Jordan "Eck" Samuel (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note - this user has made significant contributions to this article. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 13:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Strong keep Excellent list of commercially available pastebins. Deletion is not dependent on whether their exists an article on these pages yet. No article does not automatically mean non-notable. Ikip 19:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep The AfD nom reason amounts to just not notable, which while false, is also one of the many arguments to avoid. Despite the laundry list of "reasons" stated by Blaxthos above, this AfD nomination is not backed up by any of Misplaced Pages's policies or guidelines.
The notability guideline does not limit what can or cannot be included in a particular article. The notability guideline only helps determine if a specific subject should have its own standalone article. WP:NCC states: "The notability guidelines determine whether a topic is notable enough to be a separate article in Misplaced Pages. They do not give guidance on the content of articles, except for lists of people. Instead, various content policies govern article content, with the amount of coverage given to topics within articles decided by its appropriate weight."
This particular article has lots of references and uses two citation methods; inline citations and embedded citations, so Blaxthos's claims of WP:OR are obviously without merit. While inline citations are preferred for some things, embedded citations are commonplace in comparison tables and lists and work extremely well for those particular uses. This article is not unique in its layout or structure, see Category:Computing comparisons for an overview of many of these articles on Misplaced Pages. I seriously doubt someone would nominate similarly structured articles such as List of neutrino experiments for deletion.
I'll also point out that Blaxthos has shown up here strictly due to his personal conflicts with Eckstasy. (See and )
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The result was delete. No consensus, but copyright concerns mean deletion is significantly safer. tedder (talk) 07:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Noncommutative polynomial
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The article refers only to a single theorem about noncommutative polynomials. Whether or not that theorem deserves an article, the topic of noncommutative polynomials shouldn't start with that theorem. It's possible a move, followed by overwriting the redirect with a sensible article, might be better. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- As an alternative, move the current Non-commutative polynomial ring article (actually, at free algebra) to this name (Noncommutative polynomial). This involves deleting the article presently here, so it still requires a delete result. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: The article does not seem to be about the subject but a narrow aspect of it. There might be material for an article with this name, but it's hard to see where it find it from what's here. Given this, a move might be in order but the references given do not establish notability for what is covered.--RDBury (talk) 04:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. AfD is not a clean-up process. If you want to suggest a merge into Non-commutative polynomial ring, you should suggest that. There is literally nothing - no comment at all - on the discussion page of the article. This nomination is not apparently about the topic of the article, but about the handling of this draft, so is quite out of scope for the process. Please follow the good steps mentioned at WP:BEFORE. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, due diligence suggests googling for "Connes embedding conjecture" before rushing this article to deletion. I find this, which suggests that the correct tagging is for more context, nothing more. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sometimes an article can be cleaned up and sometimes it's better to start over from scratch. I don't see what there is in the article that can be salvaged. The title seems to have little to do with what the article is about, there is so little context provided that it's difficult to tell what it is about, and there are no references given to show that whatever that may be is notable. In light of this I think the nomination was appropriate. If delete is not in order then please indicate sources that establish notability, or indicate which article it should be merged with. The responsibility for establishing notability rests with the article's creator, not with the person nominating it of AfD.--RDBury (talk) 08:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to include a number of basic misconceptions about the deletion process. I remark that by convention an article at AfD should not be moved to a new title. Therefore an article that has a poorly chosen title should not be prematurely nominated; and, further, the argument that the title is wrong when something is at AfD is then a Catch-22. {{context}} would have been a good addition to the article; talk page comments also. Having an article run off the site by specious arguments doesn't serve the purposes of the encyclopedia I write for. And I think you also should look down WP:BEFORE, to inform yourself where the onus lies in nomination. I don't think either of the Delete votes here is backed by any research at all into the content of the article. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Articles at AfD can be moved to new titles, and should, if the title is bad. That has been true since 2007. Please do not spread misconceptions about the deletion process. — Kusma 09:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that seems to include a number of basic misconceptions about the deletion process. I remark that by convention an article at AfD should not be moved to a new title. Therefore an article that has a poorly chosen title should not be prematurely nominated; and, further, the argument that the title is wrong when something is at AfD is then a Catch-22. {{context}} would have been a good addition to the article; talk page comments also. Having an article run off the site by specious arguments doesn't serve the purposes of the encyclopedia I write for. And I think you also should look down WP:BEFORE, to inform yourself where the onus lies in nomination. I don't think either of the Delete votes here is backed by any research at all into the content of the article. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sometimes an article can be cleaned up and sometimes it's better to start over from scratch. I don't see what there is in the article that can be salvaged. The title seems to have little to do with what the article is about, there is so little context provided that it's difficult to tell what it is about, and there are no references given to show that whatever that may be is notable. In light of this I think the nomination was appropriate. If delete is not in order then please indicate sources that establish notability, or indicate which article it should be merged with. The responsibility for establishing notability rests with the article's creator, not with the person nominating it of AfD.--RDBury (talk) 08:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- I think he means to say if a move is the required action there is no reason to list the articles here to begin with. There is no need for an AfD to facilitate a move. And if a possible rearrangement or merging of several math articles isd required, that is also something that could/should be discussed with other math editors at the wikiproject for mathematics first before listing it for deletion.--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed, User:Arthur Rubin decided to mass-nominate four articles by User:Henry Delforn diff. It is hard to see there any attempt to treat the cases each on their merits. "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing", "Stubs and imperfect articles are awaiting further development, and so the potential of the topic should be considered", "If the article is not already tagged to note an existing problem, apply a tag", "Consider turning the page into a useful redirect or proposing it be merged", "If there is no discussion then start one, outlining your concerns", "When nominating due to sourcing or notability concerns, try to confirm that such sources don't exist", "Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, an associated WikiProject, or on the article's talk page, and/or adding a cleanup tag, instead of bringing the article to AfD", and especially "If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a good candidate for AfD" are all exemplary pieces of advice from WP:BEFORE, and no attempt has been made to follow them. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- I think he means to say if a move is the required action there is no reason to list the articles here to begin with. There is no need for an AfD to facilitate a move. And if a possible rearrangement or merging of several math articles isd required, that is also something that could/should be discussed with other math editors at the wikiproject for mathematics first before listing it for deletion.--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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- The article certainly can't stay as it is. It could be moved to an appropriate title, and the current title redirected to Free algebra. If we can't find an appropriate title, redirecting without doing anything else is probably the best option for the moment, as that tells people looking for noncommutative polynomial what that should be. — Kusma 09:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot see any point to having this article. It is a fork of the Connes embedding problem, another article by Henry Delforn (talk · contribs) which is poorly written but capable of improvement. Non-commutative polynomials occur in many places in the subject of operator algebras, most notably in free probability theory, to which this article makes no reference. However, it seems more appropriate to treat their occurrence separately in the correct context, rather than a separate article. Mathsci (talk) 13:23, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Taking your point, a merge to unfork and a redirect of the title to free algebra is surely indicated. In fact I'd be content to have the content of this article placed on Talk:Connes embedding problem, for consideration, and then the title redirected. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep so it can be improved through editing. Mathematicians always prefer to bite the newbie instead of doing some little work. franklin 01:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- And the little work I support is the one Kusma was proposing. franklin 01:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Given the content fork issues, the copyright problems involving its main contributor, and WP:NPOV issues with its too-narrow focus, it doesn't seem that this is a helpful contribution. No prejudice against someone later creating a proper article on the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was speedily deleted by NJA (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). NAC. Tim Song (talk) 20:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Balkee
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Seems to be made up one day. Tim Song (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy - Looks totally made up, and looks like it can totally fall under G3, in my opinion... smithers - talk - sign! 19:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Tone 14:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
List of top prize winners on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
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Completely unsourced list of trivia. Not one single reference in the article to classify it as anything other than original research. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and this article is merely an excessive listing of statistics and trivia. Sottolacqua (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. The article may lack references at the moment, but I've no doubt one could find national media coverage for a large majority of winners. I can't see that this list is more excessive than, say, University Challenge#Winners. EALacey (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- My final answer is keep, but try to remove those who lost on the last question. Plus, I am not the person who created this article.--It's my Junior year in High School! (talk) 01:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)Chris
- Lock in keep. Maybe there are not many references in this article, but I think the article is important as a part of WWTBAM project.
- Keep - trivial in the wider context of world affairs, I agree, but significant in the context of the programme. This is a world-wide record of those who have achieved the ultimate goal of competing in what is, internationally, a hugely popular show. OTOH, I would find it much harder to justify in-depth national lists such as Milionerzy notable contestants. This is actually not OR since the content can be verified against recordings of the show though, editorially, it does need significant work on sourcing. Bridgeplayer (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - although it is a list, this list does not seem to exist in a reliable source outside of wikipedia, so it is useful. However I agree with removing the biggest prize losers, and Asen Angelov if a cite cannot be found. This list is not now OR as I have provided a few references, and I don't think it is indiscriminate as there are very strict criteria for inclusion. Martin451 (talk) 08:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - useful list, part of a project, under construction, more reliable sources can be found. Bearian (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete all. Jayjg 01:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Jean de Mailly
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Also nominating:
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Nobility is not notability. Notability is not inherited. No references. Reywas92 18:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Nobility sometimes makes one notable as a member of a national parliament. An English baron from that period would be automatically notable as a member of the House of Lords. Did being baron de Conti automatically make him a member of France's Parliament? - Eastmain (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Then the notability is from the membership, not the nobility. Don't ask me; the article doesn't say. No notability is established. Reywas92 23:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, being a baron in France did not automatically make him a parlementaire héréditaire, a privilege only accorded to those who were recognized by the Crown as hereditary members of the Parlement de Paris -- most, but not all, dukes. But that can't be the criterion since it is entirely Brit-centric: the Maillys were influential and well-known nobles in French history without being peers, the individuals' notability deriving substantially from their membership in that prominent family. Rather, this article and its relatives deserves to be deleted because it is vandalism by virtue of being mostly fabrication: "Jean V de Mailly" died young and childless. The references to his spouse and descendants, e.g. 'Marquisa Renee Delapommellaire, Louis Wallerund du Bois, Jacquin d'Neville, Peter de Mailly, Casper Mabille', etc are fictitious -- and where they are not fake, most of the details given of their lives and filiations is fake. Like a proliferating class of Wiki articles, this one appears made up to support a fantasized noble origin for someone, whose surname is (I'll wager) "Mabee" or the like ("Mailly" presumably being the nearest-sounding name the vandal could discover to that of an aristocratic family). It should be deleted because it is largely bogus as well as non-notable (the subject having died too young to live up to his family's reputation -- for instance, by reproducing heirs who held the same high status at the French court), and without reference to the debatable claim that "Notability is not inherited" -- in which I cannot concur. FactStraight (talk) 01:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Then the notability is from the membership, not the nobility. Don't ask me; the article doesn't say. No notability is established. Reywas92 23:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment Certainly seeing a lot at books, but some could be about different people than the subject of this article. Merits further research, but the article itself is not in great shape at the moment. Cirt (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment 1)This individual was not notable, having died around 1528 at the age of 16. 2)The reference Dragoon1988 posted earlier stated that Jean d'Mailly died sans posterite(without issue), which he speedily deleted after I had pointed out it contradicts the fictional history he is creating. Peter d'Mailly, another article without ANY references, is most likely a fake individual considering that Jean d'Mailly had NO children AND the House of Bourbon-Conde was in possession of the title "Conti" through Eléanor de Roucy de Roye.
- The bigger picture is Dragoon1988's attempt to invent a fictitious genealogy using a fake mistress of Louis XI,,, unsupported by any references.
- Also please note that Demailly 1986 is most likely a sock of Dragoon1988, and is being used to create more fictitious genealogies. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Jean D'Mailly for now, but excise the hoax.
- Delete Peter D'Mailly,Barn Conti as a hoax. Edward321 (talk) 14:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- DeleteMadeleine de Maillé as hoax, now that it's been added to the Afd. Edward321 (talk) 23:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Jean D'Mailly, died without issue and virtually nothing is written about him, except in fictional genealogies.
- Delete Peter D'Mailly, most likely a fictional person that supposedly inherits a title from a person that had no children!
- Delete Madeleine d'Maille, unless this article can be supported by reliable 3rd party sources, I see no reasonable notability. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete for spurious history.Red Hurley (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Tone 14:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Blockland
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Non-notable software product. All the "references" provided are either forums or download sites. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have added multiple references which prove the software's notability. Ephialtes42 (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Strong Keep - Great amount of references for an article like this, and it has been featured on Shack News and The Screen Savers. Jeremjay24 18:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep sourcing appears to meet GNG per last AfD. Hobit (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep I think the Globe and Mail article establishes some notability. I do however thing the article needs help. Most of the editors are users of the game, and are single purpose accounts. This often makes for an article lacking neutrality.--Gordonrox24 | 23:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment This should be snowballed. Jeremjay24 01:11, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. The sources, especially Globe and Mail article, establish notability for Blockland. Also a comment: as Ephialtes is a Blockland scripter, he is a clear COI/SPA. Specs112 (Talk!) 01:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Most of the active editors of that article are SPAs. I had a {{COI}} tag on for a while, and the situation hasn't improved I'm afraid.--Gordonrox24 | 02:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. While a lot of the editors are indeed SPAs, I don't think the article is so heavily biased that it warrants deletion, and is certainly not something that a little help from some experienced editors wouldn't rectify. Furthermore, to the best of my judgement I'd say the software was notable, as it's been written about in the Globe and Mail, on Shack News and had G4TV exposure. The original reason for deletion was poor references which has now been fixed - is there another outstanding issue keeping this nomination alive? Ephialtes42 (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- You're right Ephi, this doesn't have WP:SNOW of getting deleted, given new refs and notability established, so this discussion is pretty much pointless. Specs112 (Talk!) 00:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed with Ephialtes42.--Gordonrox24 | 02:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't care if the article is edited by SPAs. They can generate new accounts to edit this article 'til their face(s) turns blue for all I care. The bottom line is this: can a decent article be made about the subject using neutral language, citing reliable third party sources? I think so. JBsupreme (talk) 08:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. Given that the nominator hasn't furthered their argument since, and nobody has voted to delete - can this be closed now? Ephialtes42 (talk) 13:41, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Lynne Chandler
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Not notable. Wrote one book. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 17:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:BIO; I was unable to find any reliable citations on her or her book. ffm 19:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this author. Joe Chill (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. It appears that the author's sole book hasn't even been published yet, so this article can't have any basis except a desire for promotion. EALacey (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Had it tagged as spam. Original author's username is pgchandler; created two socks to edit war the speedy-tag away. Speedy was declined. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 21:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Can't find any good coverage DRosin (talk) 21:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. no consensus for deletion in regards to WP:N/coverage JForget 02:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Vr-zone
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This entry is mainly advertising the site. Only one source which only talks about a scam one forumer conducted in its forums 116.15.93.174 (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment. Here is the deletion log for this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&page=Vr-zone A previous AfD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vr-zone was closed as "no consensus". -- Eastmain (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- weak keep no reason to speedy delete. That anon at 116.15.x.x is persistent, perhaps a competitor? Anyway VR-Zone does get a whole web page coverage on quite a few other web sites, (I don't know how independent these are, but I added some to external links section). VR-zone seems to be used as a reference site for some other sites. Advert text could be stripped back, rather than chopping the whole article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Enthusiastic Delete this is not a notable topic. I noted a Spore hardware website last week that was - don't accuse me of discriminating. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
- Weak Keep but massive cleanup needed for this. Like colossal cleanup required. Some independent references should be put on, but I think there is something useable on this, even if it is just a short paragraph. If we are certain there no independent sources please count my vote as a delete, but I think there must be something in the thousands of GNews and GHits DRosin (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 02:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Keep - The article has claimed notability when it states that Currently, VRForums is one of the most popular IT discussion forums in Singapore. It discusses topics ranging from computer technical news to gossipy celebrity news. It also currently hosts one of the most popular “Marketplace forums” in Singapore. It needs cleanup, but it contains some possibly useful content. PCHS-NJROTC 02:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Getid3
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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 16:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete all products with no third party sources. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Kambojas (Mahabharata)
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Article is a mess of Synthesis, Original Research, and questionable (dated) sources, with the goal of making a POV fork. Most of it is about the Kurukshetra War, which is already sufficiently covered in proper articles. Priyanath 16:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GSMR (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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This article is based entirely on numerous verses from ancient Indian source Mahabharata. Each and every reference quoted about the Kambojas is found in the said Epic. The peoples who nominate this for deletion first need to read on-line Mahabharata and gain some basic knowledge about these ancient people. Here is the Link.
- Kisari Mohan Ganguli translation (in English)
Also, to some extent read Some Ksatriya Tribes of Ancient India by Dr B. C. Law (Pages 230-252).
One can not simply delete an article unless one is inveterately prejudiced or ignorant.
Hey GSMR (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC), can you explain in simple words as to why you want to have this article deleted?.
This article is not a Synthesis or Original Research or contains/quotes questionable (dated) (????) sources. If Mahabharata, Ramayana. Puranas etc are questionable Indian sources, them have all history articles on Misplaced Pages which quote these ancient sources on Indian History deleted from Misplaced Pages.
Google Books contain thousands of History books which have been written based on the ancient Indian traditions preserved in above ancient Indian Sources. Puranas and Mahabharata have been regarded more or less historical chronicles from Ancient Indian writers (P.E. Pargiter, M. R. Singh, K. D. Minshi etc).
67.182.188.93 (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete as undue synthesis and original research. The Kurukshetra War article contains most of the content from this page. The bit that's not included is really undue -- The Kamboja's are mentioned somewhere between ten and twenty times in two parts of the Mahabharata, and mostly in passing, much less than many of the other kingdoms/clans, therefore there's nothing really to show significant importance of this. -SpacemanSpiff 17:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Per WP:SNOW. Mmm, snow. Sandstein 22:17, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Bacon on The Simpsons
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Disputed prod, so it's got to come here. I prodded it, saying "I'm not sure if there's a speedy category for this - there is absolutely nothing here of encyclopedic value." It was contested because, to quote the deprodder, "I created this article as part of Bacon Challenge 2010." I am unable to see how that can justify this article's existence. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 16:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Keep This article is not a prod. I created it as part of Bacon Challenge 2010. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Delete - Completely random article, and I'm not even sure where to begin with the policies it breaks. What's next - Syrup in The Simpsons? Completely arbitrary in nature and doesn't deserve an article. Skinny87 (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete This is really more like raw data than an article. So not notable. I could start an article on what birds I have seen in my backyard and it would be as encyclopedia worthy as this. Borock (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly--but bacon tastes much better than those birds, I imagine. Isn't there a guideline that says that every bacon-related article is automatically notable? I mean, would you delete Francis Bacon as well?? :) I kindly ask that the following, objective admins keep an eye on this process, lest we throw the pork away with the belly: User:Pigman and User:Thedemonhog, admins in the Suidae category. Drmies (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Some of them probably taste better, and at least would be Kosher. Anyway the main point of the Simpsons is to make fun of American culture, so naturally bacon would come up now and then.Borock (talk) 17:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- If that were the case, I would imagine that every time an article was deleted, the author would recreate it, but this time by adding in a section about their association with Bacon, thus deeming it un-deletable. Ultimate inclusion tactic FTW. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Some of them probably taste better, and at least would be Kosher. Anyway the main point of the Simpsons is to make fun of American culture, so naturally bacon would come up now and then.Borock (talk) 17:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly--but bacon tastes much better than those birds, I imagine. Isn't there a guideline that says that every bacon-related article is automatically notable? I mean, would you delete Francis Bacon as well?? :) I kindly ask that the following, objective admins keep an eye on this process, lest we throw the pork away with the belly: User:Pigman and User:Thedemonhog, admins in the Suidae category. Drmies (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per above. An artifact of a project likely to spawn dozens of articles of equal merit. PhGustaf (talk) 17:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Question: Has this topic itself received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject? Cirt (talk) 17:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well, if there is reliable secondary source, I doubt the author is a piece of bacon, if that's what you're asking. :) - 204.117.76.249 (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - Sorry Grundle2600, but this topic hasn't received significant coverage in reliable sources. Theleftorium 17:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, unless my above question can be answered in the affirmative (unfortunately :P) Cirt (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: As much as I like Bacon and the Simpsons, the topic just isn't covered enough, and even if it was, it still really wouldn't be notable enough for inclusion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Cirt, Hamster, if you have another look at the article, you'll see that the two references I added should make the topic as solid as, say, bacon and Jessica Simpson put together. Now there's a tasty thought, at least for some of you. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned! Drmies (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:NOT - this is nothing more than Trivia. Blueboar (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - without any reliable sources diuscussing the link between Simpsons and bacon, this looks like original research or synthesis. Pit-yacker (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete I'm sorry, not all of us agree with a plan to have "as many bacon related articles as possible" on Misplaced Pages. Mandsford (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I love The Simpsons, but this is the definition of cruft. What next, "Eggs on The Simpsons" (remember when Homer got upset at the guy from the Egg Council?) or "Bowling on The Simpsos"? TJ Spyke 18:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Skinny87. smithers - talk - sign! 19:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - obviously. Not a great start to the Great Unblock Experiment. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Not really called for. Grsz 22:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per almost all the above comments. I'm not sure this isn't a parody. EALacey (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable subject per above. --John (talk) 21:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete unnotable fork on pork. Mathsci (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I think you win the instant rimshot on this AfD :). Nate • (chatter) 00:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Bacon SpinningSpark 00:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Bacon is delicious. But I think if I would start an article about Coffee on Gilmore Girls, Spaghetti on the Sopranos, Lasagna in Garfield, Cheese on Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers and Spinach in Popeye I would be rightfully slapped with a speedy tag. Pretty much an example of a good silly article that doesn't have encyclopedic value. Will not deny the amusement value, however. Nate • (chatter) 00:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Bacon on televison where we will record every instance of bacon depicted on television programming as well as actual bacon placed on television sets. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 00:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- This is getting out of hand... and boardering on being disruptive. Humor can be taken too far. Although I do have to wonder why no one has suggested that this be speedy under {{db-spam}}, as it would fit with the joke. Blueboar (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Out of ham? Enjoy some bacon. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- This is getting out of hand... and boardering on being disruptive. Humor can be taken too far. Although I do have to wonder why no one has suggested that this be speedy under {{db-spam}}, as it would fit with the joke. Blueboar (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Delete. Article should be deprecated as a content pork. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)- Delete I think it is sad that this is the most interesting article I have read today and yet I feel it should be deleted. I suppose this should really be on a Simpsons fan site, but it is pretty interesting. It is with great sadness I am voting delete. I don't know if that says more about me or more about Misplaced Pages DRosin (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete There is nothing kosher about this article. Warrah (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Completely ridiculous. Not even worth a merge into Bacon on television. Steven Walling 06:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Too fat, fat, you must cut lean You gotta take the Bacon article to the AfD. Stub, change, take it off, super ban ban, super ban ban. Шизомби (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Withdrawn. I'm ignoring Smerdis's !vote because it is bias like most of his !votes. Joe Chill (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Eagle Electric
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I can't find significant coverage for this company. Joe Chill (talk) 16:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. I added some references. - Eastmain (talk) 18:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete, weakly. After Eastmain's work, this is now a model for what an article about a business ought to look like. But what are their claims to fame? True, they made tangible goods and used to have a physical presence in the form of a billboard that was a local landmark. They've been around since 1920, and there was a strike in 1938. Now they're just a shell brand selling goods made overseas and the billboard is gone. I'd be happy to defer to the judgment of others if they think this story is remarkable enough to support an encyclopedia article, but I am not really convinced. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 01:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment'. I think that the company was once notable, when it employed lots of people and was manufacturing specialized products that had to be better or more cost-effective than competitive products (or else nobody would have bought them), and having once been notable, it still is. Perhaps someone once published comparative reviews of Eagle Electric's products versus those of competitors, or the company obtained a patent and derived a competitive advantage from it. There must be more to the strike and the union organizing campaign that led up to the creation of the union local there than just the New York Times story about the arrest of the picketers. In fact, when I am researching an article about a company, I know that I am just seeing the top of the iceberg when I am relying on what I can find online. So even if the company and its building had vanished entirely, I would argue that once notable, always notable. - Eastmain (talk) 02:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep The articles cited show it was once notable, and that is sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 03:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Working Out (book)
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Contested prod - Article was prodded with a rationale of "No evidence of notability". An IP posted to the talk page with, "An important book for glbt history. It should be kept on wikipedia in my view. Thanx." I took that for a contest of the prod and removed the prod tag. The article was re-prodded with a rationale of "unsourced article about a book whose author doesn't have one, backed up only by an unsourced assertion that it's an important part of LGBT culture as "the first erotic book that could openly buy without having their sexuality exposed". Except, er, no -- the whole beefcake magazine phenomenon predates this book by at least 50 years." LadyofShalott 16:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC) LadyofShalott 16:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this book. Joe Chill (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:V, WP:N. The only academic reference I can find to this book doesn't mention the LGBT angle at all. Pburka (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Anex:New Province of Ontario
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Contested prod. The proposal this article refers to is notable, but this is just original research that seeks to describe what will happen if the proposal becomes reality. Delete. Blanchardb -- timed 16:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:CRYSTAL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueboar (talk • contribs)
- Delete - As a general rule, for topics that would strike most people as unlikely and stupid unless they saw proof, one should have citations to proof. Mandsford (talk) 18:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOR and WP:CRYSTAL. The geography, area, and population of the hypothetical province consisting of the rest of Ontario if the Greater Toronto Area seceded are not relevant to anything until the Province of Toronto becomes a serious proposal. However, Province of Toronto indicates that Toronto's secession from Ontario is not currently being debated seriously. I don't think we have similar articles for the "rest of" territories that would result if any of the various other secession proposals throughout the world were to take effect, nor do we need such articles. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - An article created by a user who seems to want to push a POV throughout the encyclopaedia that Toronto should go independent. Non-encyclopaedic, completely soapboxy. Canterbury Tail talk 18:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Per above. Joe Chill (talk) 19:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: this article cannot be brought in line with WP:OR. Ground Zero | t
- Delete; WP:NOR violation. It isn't even a political proposal of any sort, but merely what would be left over after a different political proposal was implemented — and even that is, at this point, about as likely as pigs flying. And even if it did somehow magically happen tomorrow, there are still so many things wrong with this article that it still couldn't be the boilerplate for any of the changes that would actually need to be made to Ontario's article in that eventuality. Bearcat (talk) 07:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Jeremy Soul
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Non-notable. Original research. Created by sockpuppet account with COI. Lack of independent, reliable sources DRosin (talk) 23:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I am the nominator for this AfD. A comparable AfD occurred with Adam Lyons recently and I think in contrast to Adam Lyons this article does not have sufficient sources, and the subject lacks notability. Some of the sources do not even mention him, and I couldn't find anything myself to strengthen the article. My other concern was that the article was created by an account which was banned for being a sockpuppet of an account that had a COI with Love Systems which Jeremy Soul seems to work for. A lot of original research on this one makes me think neutrality is lacking as well. This is my first AfD nomination so I might be being too harsh (or just wrong!) on this one, but I think the article could benefit from some other eyes. I think the article merits deleting, although merging with Love Systems might be useful if there are some sources that demonstrate some degree of notability. As it stands I don't think this article is good enough for Wiki, especially from what I have learnt from the Adam Lyons AfD (another figure in the seduction community.) DRosin (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I see no assertion of notability, nor do I expect any. It indicates he is in the process of writing a book, which might have changed my opinion if it had significant coverage, but Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Shirik (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Hey there - I've added both an assertion of notability, and removed or referenced the items I found that appeared to be original research - thanks for you feedback WoodenBuddha (talk) 04:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- This user has been blocked indefinitely because CheckUser confirms that he or she has abusively used one or more accounts. - Keep This articles has more than three reliable sources to enforce notability and WP:BIO. I agree that the sentence on the upcoming book is not good enough, so that might have to be removed but it should not be the reason to delete this page. Deganveranx (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- — Stormhammer9782 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. '"Keep"'. I believe the most reliable sources are those of the reviews and experiences of his workshop students. The links to the Love Systems website provides these reviews. I agree on being neutral for it's the fair and right thing but neutrality has to come from objective facts. The book may not have coverage as yet because maybe it has not been published just yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormhammer9782 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC) — Stormhammer9782 (talk)
- Comment With regard to the references, what we found on the Adam Lyons page was that tabloid sources weren't reliable or independent as they were usually just PR pieces. DGG had a lot to say about this. If we examine the references used in this article, Reference 1 is a non-notable tabloid, and amusingly is in Swedish. I am not sure what the Wiki policy is on foreign-language, but even if this reference was in English it would not qualify as an independent or reliable source. Reference 2 does not mention the subject at all. It does not support the assertion that the subject worked at Love Systems. Reference 3 is in Swedish and looks like another tabloid. Reference 4 is a non-notable tabloid. Reference 5 I think is just Reference 1 but in English. Reference 6 is a commercial podcast which I think is obviously not independent or reliable. Reference 7 makes no mention of him from what I can tell. Regarding Stormhammer's comment, I do not think you understand the difference between references and external links, and what constitutes independent and reliable sources. Reviews of his students on the commercial website of the company that he works for are in no way independent or reliable. The reviews you mention are a terrible example of neutral sources in my opinion. Feel free to disagree (and welcome to Misplaced Pages!), but I really don't think the evidence you have cited supports keeping this page in any way. DRosin (talk) 09:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- This user has been blocked indefinitely because CheckUser confirms that he or she has abusively used one or more accounts. - Comment The importance of sources is that it is neutral and has verifiable information. All sources do and none are tabloids. Metro is a newspaper chain in Europe, the second sources states the facts that bootcamps are main stream activities, third source is from a newspaper in Norway, 4th is the local newspaper in Las Vegas, 5th is not the same as the first source (different newspaper), 6th yes is a podcast ran by Jordan Harbinger and people of The Art of Charm which makes it notable. From looking at the article's history, DRosin already tried to delete this article without any attempt to improve the article. I would rather see you improve articles and contribute instead of trying to disruptively delete articles that others have spent time working on. Deganveranx (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - well sourced article about someone who's citations show he's notable. I've been working on the pages inside the Seduction community for nigh-on four years now. We've got a pretty good idea now of what's notable and what's not - DRosin is a new user who's been heavily promoting Adam Lyon's page, and trying to get others deleted. Not helpful. WoodenBuddha (talk) 17:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment This is unfortunate that this AfD has some sockpuppets/meatpuppets on this now. Deganveranx is being investigated for being a sockpuppet of Handrem, who was blocked along with 5 other accounts recently for having a conflict of interest with Love Systems, who Jeremy Soul article apparently works for. WoodenBuddha was going to be blocked on Misplaced Pages for posting a variety of personal information, photographs etc. of some random person on my talk page. I did not pursue blocking the user because I tried to assume good faith although the information was removed by an admin. I don't want this AfD to turn into an edit war, and I don't want to fling around sockpuppet accusations with no foundation, but I would take what the users WoodenBuddha and Deganveranx have said with a small bit of salt. To address their comments, I think all of then sources are from tabloids, and that is pretty clear. The Art of Charm article is of dubious notability as well, and may be worth looking at after this article. Anyway, I think the article remains lacking notability and sufficient sources, and that the tone very spammy. The fact that it was created by a blocked sockpuppet account adds to my suspicion, but is probably not strictly relevant DRosin (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment DRosin - please try and keep the tone professional - throwing around accusations of puppetry when cornered is not a good start! :-) The 'almost blocked' comments above refer to when I pointed out there existed an individual whose real name was an expansion of your username, and who had very very strong links to 4 pages that you created (and were deleted by AfD) - as a display of a potential COI. Additionally: the fact you're referring to Aftenposten as a tabloid (it's Norway's leading quality paper) seems further examples of your bad faith here. I'm sure you'd agree that if you're really keen to make a difference on Misplaced Pages, you'll give some constructive criticism on how you think the page could be improved! WoodenBuddha (talk) 04:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment WoodenBuddha, my good faith is pretty much running out. I requested a Checkuser and it found that Deganveranx was a sockpuppet of Handrem. You can view the investigation here:
- Comment DRosin - please try and keep the tone professional - throwing around accusations of puppetry when cornered is not a good start! :-) The 'almost blocked' comments above refer to when I pointed out there existed an individual whose real name was an expansion of your username, and who had very very strong links to 4 pages that you created (and were deleted by AfD) - as a display of a potential COI. Additionally: the fact you're referring to Aftenposten as a tabloid (it's Norway's leading quality paper) seems further examples of your bad faith here. I'm sure you'd agree that if you're really keen to make a difference on Misplaced Pages, you'll give some constructive criticism on how you think the page could be improved! WoodenBuddha (talk) 04:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Handrem/Archive
That is about 9 accounts in total that have been blocked within a week relating to Love Systems. I'm not sure what 4 pages you are referring to, and I think only one of my articles has been deleted, but I think your editing behaviour exhibits a similar COI with Love Systems, and I would have thought you would take a break from Misplaced Pages after almost being banned for violating Misplaced Pages policy last week. I don't think the page can be improved because the subject lacks notability and the sources are not good enough. Some fresh eyes (that aren't sockpuppets) would be beneficial on this AfD. DRosin (talk) 06:09, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- — Jessica.mickens (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Keep I got into the Game a few years back and I've been following the major players ever since (I'm a woman, but I find the whole thing fascinating). Soul came to my attention a few years ago and I've seen his rise to prominence since then. He's notable for advocating some of the major shifts in thinking in the Seduction Community. Before he came along, everyone was using indirect openers. Now everyone does direct game - because of his teachings and articles. I've checked through the media sources referenced and it all fits with what I've heard about him, especially from people that have taken his training program. A friend of mine actually showed me the Aftenposten piece, it was a front cover story, and that's one of Norway's biggest publications. I guess he does a lot of work in Scandinavia, given the other Swedish media coverage as well.Jessica.mickens (talk) 06:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- — 217.155.238.118 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. keep Jeremy Soul is a reliable and notable technician within his field. He is widely respected and viewed as a pioneer, and therefore deserves the page. Editors and Sources on this page are accurate and viable. I can see no violation of the rules of wikipedia. 217.155.238.118 (talk) 12:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC) max marsh
- — Fleury1985 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Keep I do not see any issues with respect to notability requirements, WP:NPOV, or WP:BIO. Jeremy Soul is a major figure in the dating science community - otherwise he would not have had the referenced articles written about him, appeared on popular podcasts, etc. Additionally, all the referenced sources are independent of Jeremy Soul. If a media outlet says Soul is very good (or even the best) at what he does, it makes sense that the article editors would quote it. Further, everything I see in this article is rooted in facts and not opinions. Fleury1985 (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Keep There seem to be enough references , with at least a minimally acceptable degree of reliability, References in any language will do, and Aftenposgten is a major newspaper--though this seems to come from their magazine, not the news section. I do not consider Metro a RS in the same sense--it is not a newspaper chain, but a chain of mainly local entertainment listings, more or less like New York--I would consider it somewhere between a RS local magazine and a tabloid. At this point for this subject, I'm tending to judge by how free from spam and how-to-do-it the article is, though of course that is not really the proper criterion, for it can quickly get changed in either direction but the ability to write an article without it does indicate that there may be something there. DGG ( talk ) 00:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment after having removed references in possibly reliable sources that didn't mention the words "Jeremy", "Soul" or "Bonney", there's one Swedish English-language newspaper, and two others in LOTE. The rest of the references couldn't be regarded as reliable sources. The Swedish English-language newspaper article talks at length about Soul's work, but covers no biographical matters. I don't understand the LOTE articles, but the BLP cites them 9 times, the Swedish English once and the blog and podcast once each. There doesn't seem to be much supporting this BLP. Josh Parris 01:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- — Ljzfun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Keep I fail to see any violation of WP:NPOV, notability requirements, or WP:BIO. The references seem legitimate and, given Jeremy's high profile in his industry, it seems very natural that Misplaced Pages should have an entry to introduce him and his work. I fail to understand the objections being proposed. Ljzfun Ljzfun (talk) 03:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I had a go cleaning up the article, I think it is a bit better now without the commercial podcast bit and the promotional material. I almost would change my mind and vote Keep but the sockpuppet account with the COI that created this article influences my decision, and I still don't think this is notable enough, although the tone is a lot better (though still could do with some improving!). I actually translated the foreign-language articles and the Metro is very dodgy, while a lot of the references initially cited don't correspond at all to what they are supposed to. Also removed a Crystal Ball reference to some thesis is apparently being published at some point DRosin (talk) 12:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- — Kraanerg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Keep Soul is one of the best-known practitioners in this field, and most people interested in the subject would know his reputation, so I believe a Misplaced Pages article should exist. The media references are all legitimate from what I can tell. I agree that the initial writing wasn't neutral enough but that has now been corrected (although some informative data may have been deleted in the process). Kraanerg (talk) 12:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Tagging this user as single-use as this is the first edit made after two years of inactivity. DRosin (talk) 12:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep I read the original article prior to the most recent changes and think the article is now missing the biographical information that might give some detail about what Jeremy Soul does. DRosin - you appear to have deleted anything of importance in your quest to have this page deleted! Checked out the Adam Lyons page and half of it is not referenced.... interesting that you've deleted anything not referenced here, yet not on the page of Adam Lyons. Just who are you working for DRosin????!!
- I work in media and would note that most celebrities use tabloids for their references. I had a look at the references cited for Jeremy Soul and think they are OK... most journalists do cross-reference their info so if it's in print, it should be reasonably reliable. Check the gossip on celebrity pages if you'd like an example of tabloid journalism being accepted on Misplaced Pages...
- Back to the point, if this guy is representative of the industry - as the references appear to support - why not keep him? I find this whole seduction community thing fascinating, it's part of modern life. It's good to know about who's out there working in the field. Dstar76 (talk) 14:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC) DStar76
- The Adam Lyons article was half unreferenced before its AfD; looking at the current one, every single statement is sourced, a fine upstanding example of WP:BLP and WP:BIO that probably isn't going to get much bigger. Your statement seems reckless. Josh Parris 23:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- D.Rosin - I just corrected your spelling and referencing errors you made when changing the article so significantly. You're clearly not as thorough as you purport. Dstar76 (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)DStar 76
- Hey Dstar76. Thanks for correcting the spelling mistake. Metro is not a Norwegian paper, it is Swedish, I'll correct your input on the page. I don't want to be a pedant, but if it wouldn't kill you to be civil I'd appreciate it DRosin (talk) 15:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Relist if all the uncited statements were removed from this BLP, we'd be left with "He was cited in Norway's Aftenposten and Sweden's Metro as a {company} expert on {technique}. Recent media focusing on {company} and Jeremy Soul’s techniques include articles in Oslo’s Aftenposten, and Sweden’s Metro and The Local, where author Christine Demsteader wrote that Jeremy Soul 'personifies what he preaches; honest, articulate, open...'. When not traveling the world teaching {technique} to {company}'s clients, Jeremy Soul resides between Stockholm and London. " This article needs more time to improve; if it can't be improved with all this energy fluxing around, it never will. Josh Parris 23:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I'd like to see a lot less about sockpuppets on this talk page; I don't care who created this article or why, all that matters is should it be here now as per WP:BIO / WP: Notability. My initial thoughts are that the sources are inadequate and some quick work with Google suggests that Soul has not had a lot of coverage, at least in the English-speaking world. Maybe there are more Sweedish and Norwegian sources for him, unfortunately I can't verify that. But in any case, if he was that notable, would there not be more English sources too? The only English language source a bit of a PR piece, it's not standard 'newsworthy' material. I would like to see more attempts to improve the article before I make my judgement on keep or delete but at the moment I'm leaning towards delete. Shockeroo (talk) 00:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I've just made an effort to improve the article. In restructuring some of it I have found that the use of citations in the previous incarnation was rather forced; they seem to have been included for their own sake as opposed to being used to back up encyclopedic material. Please see my comments on the article's talk page. Also I still have strong reservations about notability; can anyone find some sources to deal with the 'citation needed' tags please? Shockeroo (talk) 00:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. There doesn't seem to be the same level of coverage as for Adam Lyons (which was recently discussed), and on that article there was a pretty good article specifically about the guy. This person however seems to be covered mainly in relation to the business he works for. Quantpole (talk) 09:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete The sources in the article do not satisfy the need for reliable third party coverage in my opinion (although I cannot read the foreign language sources so I'm only going on my existing knowledge of them and what others have said). Mah favourite (talk) 19:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Not sufficiently notable; spent some more time looking for good sources for this guy tonight and I just can't find any. Of the 3 we have, the Norwegian one barely mentions him in the last section, the English one is a PR piece and the Sweedish one looks like it is too. If you want to save this article, go find more and better sources - but I just don't think they're out there. Shockeroo (talk) 20:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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Relister's note: The discussion is a mess, but without including blocked users there are some keep votes from non-SPA users, so I will relist it once for more discussion for more consensus even though it seems to be trended for a delete right now. Maybe a couple more comments would be necessary JForget 15:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Metro is a free tabloid, but it isn't guilty of the things that give tabloid journalism a bad name. I think that coverage in Metro and the other newspapers cited is independent, and on that basis notability has been established. References need not be in English to be valid, and editors wanting to confirm the information in a non-English reference are welcome to use http://translate.google.com The fact that the person's advice may not work very well does not detract from the fact that independent reliable sources have written about him, and the fact that a banned editor considers him notable does not detract from the evidence that he is notable. - Eastmain (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete unless better sources can be found. I've looked and can't find any, but drop me a message on my user page if some do turn up. The sources from The Metro and The Local are both PR fluff; I can't read the Afterposten piece but it says very little Soul at all (2 mentions in a single paragraph towards the end). Even the itself article suggests no notability other than being 'a seduction community expert on Daygame' which not even wholly substantiated by the sources. Shockeroo (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per sourcing concerns, and the long-standing fact that when a wave of brand-new users show up to vote "keep" on an article, that invariably means the article is promotional in purpose. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 04:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- — Jessica.mickens (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Keep A few friends told me that Soul was recently on a Norwegian radio station called P4 Radio Hele Norge, which I checked out and has it's own wikipedia page. I think he was on Anders Van Dahl's show, but as I don't read or write Norwegian myself I can't see a link right now. However, I have emailed my friends and if I find the reference I will cite on the page. Jessica.mickens (talk) 08:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Although the article has been improved, the absurd amount of SPAs influences my decision. I still don't think it has enough sources yet, maybe some day, but not now. I think there may be something to be said for merging the article with Love Systems possibly, but as it stands I think the article should be deleted DRosin (talk) 10:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- that people wrongly support an article does not mean there are no valid supports, and more than an spa attack on an article would be sufficient to avoid deletion if there were also good reasons for doing so--we would get really weird results if we applied that principle. In this case, I think it's practical to tell them apart, but if not, the usual resort is a non-consensus close and a repeated AfD. The contamination is usually less the 2nd time. DGG ( talk ) 04:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, lack of reliable sources or any depth to this BLP makes the subject matter non-notable. Josh Parris 01:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete all articles of hoaxes except "Thank Me Later". Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Drake 101
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This is the latest of a string of articles about albums by Drake (entertainer) to be released in 2010 and 2011. All the rest have been prodded, but will soon be brought here instead. Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Blanchardb -- timed 15:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Also nominating:
- Better (Studio Album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Drake: The Greatest Hits (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Canada, My Home (Studio Album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Thank Me Later (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- On Me (Studio Album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Speedy delete. Obviously. M0RD00R (talk) 15:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Darn... I had my finger on speedy delete just one second before you tagged it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 15:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - fails Wp:CRYSTAL by a country mile (to quote You and Me: "It is scheduled to be released in 2013"). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 16:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete all: Per WP:CRYSTAL. Joe Chill (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Snow delete for utter failure of WP:CRYSTAL. I thought "2013" was a joke until I saw it. --Glenfarclas (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Neutral on "Thank Me Later" as at least there is proof that it is a real, forthcoming album and it has some coverage, although the article is rather premature and will need rewriting on the album's release. Strong delete on the rest as they are entirely unsubstantiated. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Thank Me Later - That album has MANY sources and is confirmed. Delete the rest. SE KinG. Talk. 06:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete all except Thank Me Later. Blackjays1 (talk) 09:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Thank Me Later, lots of information on it available online. Speedy Delete the rest per WP:CRYSTAL. TheTrueSora (holla) 21:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete most, Keep Thank Me Later, per WP:NALBUMS. -- Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 01:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC) -- Revised 01:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Thank Me Later, speedy delete the rest as hoaxes. Chase wc 02:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 22:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Gorge (horse)
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Non-notable horse whose best finish wasn't even a show, and in an event with no page here. But he has "hopes" for the future. Glenfarclas (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete the horse have archieved nothing of relevance, it seems to be just another good (but not notable) horse.Dentren | 23:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Non notable. The article can be recreated when (if?) the horse actually achieves something, rather than just having hopes for the future. Dana boomer (talk) 22:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment Appears non-notable but its best result is actually a win (it has won three races) -- Mattinbgn\ 07:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, you're right, by "best finish" I was referring to what the article called his "most high-profile run," but obviously I picked my words badly. --Glenfarclas (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Three wins out of how many races? How important were the races themselves? Edward321 (talk) 03:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Tentative Delete - I think the question of which races this horse has won is important. There are thousands of horse races every day around the world... and all of them have a winner. Simply winning a race does not make a horse notable... However, winning a notable race... something like the Kentucky Derby or the Grand National... does. Blueboar (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg 01:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Bremner Wafer
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This article fails WP:PRODUCT. Mentions in Google News appear tangential. If the company was particularly notable then an article for the company could be created. Ash (talk) 12:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. This article appears to be all about the product. The Google News summary of the article says: "The Bremner wafer was born soon after that. and the additional flavors were introduced-just four years ago-because people seemed to want variety. ..." The other articles from the Google News archive mention it in a context that implies that the reader already knows what a Bremner waver is, which implies a kind of notability. -- Eastmain (talk) 18:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. There is no indication of notability, and it is unlikely that Misplaced Pages wants or needs articles on every brand of biscuit, cracker, cake, breadstick, et al. Also, ref Ash, the article states the company has been merged, so usually the former company name would be a redirect to the buyer. Sussexonian (talk) 21:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. We are not discussing "every brand of biscuit, cracker, cake, breadstick, et al." We are discussing this particular brand, and the evidence strongly suggests that this particular brand has achieved notability. - Eastmain (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep The article clearly establishes the product's notability in the lead. The brand certainly isn't popular, but as is often pointed out popularity != notability.
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Ann W. Smith
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This page is basically a very long press release masquerading as an article. No outside third-party sources cited or available. Scanlan (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Side Note: The related Caron Foundation may also unfortunately qualify for AfD in the future as well. Scanlan (talk) 15:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, glorified press release (as I tagged it back in August). No independent sources. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: I think this woman might be notable in her profession, but the article would would benefit from serious cleaning up and addition of independent sources. The section "Education and Licenses" is just CV material and should be removed.--Karljoos (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Apparently a colleague of Harris Stratyner above, but less evidence of notability. I wonder how many other Caron Center staff members have had Misplaced Pages articles created about themselves? --MelanieN (talk) 16:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
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The result was delete. Spartaz 04:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Joseph C. Battaglia
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This is purely advertising. Th only possible source appears to be two mentions in the LA Business journal of it being the 32nd largest and 8th fastest growing in the county. From my experience, these are a simple table with maybe a blurb. That is not enough to create an article for the company or assert notability. Biography notability is an even higher hurdle so being the CEO of the company does not met requirements. Furthermore, The American Advisor "radio" show appears to be a podcast "sponsored" by the company. Cptnono (talk) 06:02, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. The "32nd largest" or "8th fastest growing" of anything is probably not notable for that fact alone. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 22:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. Reywas92 01:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, insufficient coverage in reliable third party sources to verify notability per WP:BIO. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge, I created this article with good intentions; I am sorry that I have not been sufficiently expanding it; I expanded the lead and cited the source today (here ); if Joe is not sufficiently notable, could I create an article on Goldline International, Inc., and then MERGE Joe's article into that one? I am trying to make helpful suggestions; thank you for your consideration. Take care. ProfessorPaul (talk) 01:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep or Merge, I have created the article Goldline International, Inc.; please feel free to review this article; may I suggest that it may be appropriate to consider MERGING the Joseph C. Battaglia article into the Goldline article. Take care. ProfessorPaul (talk) 02:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- That article does not meet various standards (yet?). I'll make some comments on that talk page.Cptnono (talk) 03:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 22:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Harris Stratyner
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The Harris Stratyner article is basically a press release. No outside citations to back up claims. Scanlan (talk) 15:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
This document is something you would see on a website marketing Harris Stratyner not on wikipedia
- Delete Misplaced Pages is not the place to post your resume. Edward321 (talk) 04:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak delete The tone of the article is all wrong, but it's possible the guy could qualify for an article if written in a neutral encyclopedic style and properly sourced. Google search indicates he does host a show on local radio and is the co-author of a book . I don't know how notable that makes him, but it's possible he might qualify with a rewrite. --MelanieN (talk) 16:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
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The result was delete. Wizardman 22:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Education in Khurai
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Khurai is a small town, nothing in this article actually details the concept of education in the town, just a couple of random statements. Nothing in this article that is worth merging back to the main article, which happens to be too small anyway. -SpacemanSpiff 18:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Khurai — we have plenty of "Education in ___" articles, so this isn't too unlikely of a redirect target. Nyttend (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- I would have redirected normally, but this is a town with a population of 41,511, and with the number of split articles being created (three others redirected already, including one page move vandalism by the same editor), I figured an AfD is probably better. -SpacemanSpiff 19:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per the nominator.Shyamsunder (talk) 23:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Nothing of value here. Seems like another of the editor's efforts to push the "khurai district" meme.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Searchking
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Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:CORP. Article was created by an WP:SPA account with no other edits other than related to Searchking SEO. Was speedied previously under spam article SearchKing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), as WP:CSD#A7 and WP:CSD#G11 (advertising and promotion). Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete even if it was cleaned up, there's no notability there. Alexa rank is 261,645. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Olive, I has been searchking and searchking and I can't find that itsk notable. Popeye the Sailor Man 18:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:CORP. Yet another search optimization advert is not the start of a useful article. Johnuniq (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete This is the first article I've seen today that is kind of dumb (and the last article I saw was Bacon on the Simpsons episodes!) This is a poor attempt at using SEO on Misplaced Pages. No notability to speak of. I hope this isn't a central part of their SEO strategy! DRosin (talk) 21:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. No credible s0urcing has emerged so the policy based arguments here are the ones for deletion Spartaz 04:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Impulse Tracker
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Previously deleted by Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Schism Tracker, this article has no independent sources and no apparent statement of notability. Guy (Help!) 14:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 16:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: While significant coverage in books and/or the press is lacking, this software was tremendously important. For starters, it gets 50,000+ Google hits. Countless musicians who later went on to greener pastures have used it when starting out, i.e. Andrew Sega, Brothomstates, Jonne Valtonen, Infected Mushroom, and many others. Impulse Tracker was used to create the soundtracks of important games, such as Unreal and Unreal Tournament (see Unreal Tournament soundtracks), Age of Wonders, Chrono Resurrection, etc. No, I can't provide citations for these claims from books, articles in academic journals, etc., simply because tracker music has never been subject of books or academic journals. But I'm sure something can be done, some info gleamed from interviews, etc. For instance, here is a mention of Sega's IT experience. --Jashiin (talk) 16:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please see WP:RS and WP:V. If coverage is lacking, we are not allowed to compensate by using junk sources. Misplaced Pages is not a directory and WP:ILIKEIT does not count either. It's already been deleted once due to inadequate sourcing, if you want it kept you need to add non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources, not just say that you're sure they must exist somewhere. Guy (Help!) 10:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Exactly how Salon.com is a junk source? Or any of these:
- * Gamasutra, which has an article on how Impulse Tracker was used to make music for The Sims DS/GBA: .
- * The Times of India, which has an article about how Infected Mushroom started out using Impulse Tracker:
- * Thescene.com.au, same subject:
- * Epic Games's official page for Unreal music, mentioning modified IT format used for the soundtrack:
- Etc. Since I'm not sure of your definition of "junk", I'm not adding these to the article yet, but simply use them here to demonstrate the importance of the software in question. --Jashiin (talk) 10:28, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- They should have been in the article if you want them considered as sources. The Gamasutra article is not a good reference showing notability. It is one sentence about this software, along with mentions of other software that have been used by an artist. We want several significant length coverage of this piece of software not an article on some artist who mentions offhand that he has used the software on one project. I didn't review the rest of your sources and do not speak for JzG. Miami33139 (talk) 11:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- The salon reference, as it applies to Impulse Tracker, is useless. Miami33139 (talk) 11:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- So basically, what you're saying is that it isn't enough that the software was used to create soundtracks of not one but several influential video games, and it is not enough that the software was used by influential musicians? But if there were a separate article dedicated exclusively to the software, that would show notability? Isn't this, um, against common sense? --Jashiin (talk) 11:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- No. Miami33139 (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Excellent rebuttal, dude —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.48.133.2 (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- No. Miami33139 (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- So basically, what you're saying is that it isn't enough that the software was used to create soundtracks of not one but several influential video games, and it is not enough that the software was used by influential musicians? But if there were a separate article dedicated exclusively to the software, that would show notability? Isn't this, um, against common sense? --Jashiin (talk) 11:18, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- These links show IT mentioned in passing. Perhaps enough to verify the software for use in a broader article (per my redirect suggestion) but nowhere near enough for WP:N. Marasmusine (talk) 11:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please see WP:RS and WP:V. If coverage is lacking, we are not allowed to compensate by using junk sources. Misplaced Pages is not a directory and WP:ILIKEIT does not count either. It's already been deleted once due to inadequate sourcing, if you want it kept you need to add non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources, not just say that you're sure they must exist somewhere. Guy (Help!) 10:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to Tracker (music software) or simply delete - I've been looking for sources for over a year now. I've no doubt that its popular - even influential - but if there's no way to base this on reliable sources then we shouldn't have an article on it (per WP:V policy). Marasmusine (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Marasmusine. Miami33139 (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: per Jashiin. Guaka (talk) 01:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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- I tried to search for sources and found some evidence that published articles about this tool exist: И.РОЩИН. Изменение порядка каналов в модулях Impulse Tracker - it looks like the article about Impulse Tracker in this issue of the magazine was three pages long. Unfortunately, I didn't find the full text of this article available online for all to view. --Sspeik (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- And here is another article from a computer-related magazine, discussing work with Impulse Tracker in detail (only a google saved copy is available, but as it was on the site of the magazine, it was most probably published in that Russian magazine "Мой Компьютер" somewhere in 2002). --Sspeik (talk) 17:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Significant article about work with this software in Computerra: . --Sspeik (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- If someone has this book: Mason McCuskey. Beginning game audio programming - please look, there may potentially be a significant coverage piece about this software. --Sspeik (talk) 18:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep or possibly redirect. I'm not sure. I do find numerous references to the software but by and large they appear to be passing references, or examples of a musician saying "I use Impulse Tracker" but do very little to elaborate beyond that. I searched Google Books but it does not tell me what Beginning Game Audio Programming has to say about it. Beyond that I found a few text magazines called "Static Line", "Trax Weekly", and "Demo News" ie making reference to it, and I guess if we can cite the "Wrestling Observer Newsletter" for BLP articles about professional wrestlers we might as give this subject the same treatment and benefit of the doubt. JBsupreme (talk) 08:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
KEEP No, i don't either have encyclopedic or verifiable contents about IT, other than the datestamps of countless files on old hard disks -- of the program itself, and of music created by myself and many others using Impulse Tracker. However, if there's no article about such a landmark piece of software on this site, this isn't Misplaced Pages anymore. Delt01 05:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)delt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delt01 (talk • contribs) *** sorry, didn't do the signature thing right.... *sigh* delete IT from wikipedia, is this a fucking joke????
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The result was delete. Tone 14:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Black Tail
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Obscure pornographic magazine. No reason is given regarding its notability, as per Misplaced Pages standards. Google searching does not produce anything of encyclopedic value. Warrah (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep as a stub for now. Midhart90 (talk) 08:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this magazine. Joe Chill (talk) 16:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete you'd think of all things porn wouldn't be under-represented on the web, but I couldn't find anything at all about this other than it exists. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete sadly, but if Midhart90 could send me a copy let me know. Weirdly poor attempt to create an article, some sources or elaboration would be good DRosin (talk) 21:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of significant coverage. No references. No claim of notability. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:14, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Continue discussion of the article's improvement on the relevant talk page. (Non-admin closure by Intelligentsium 00:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
Andrej Grubacic
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Subject of article doesn't meet notability guidelines MarkNau (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Okay. So I am not the maker of this page. I was one the people editing it.
- The subject of this entry is a yugoslav (now serbian) anarchist. His relevance resides in the fact that he is a well known anarchist theorist. His influence is important there. He is arguably the best know anarchist from the Balkans.
- I happen to know this because my parents are from croatia and I still spend a lot of time there.
- We moved to redwood city, ca, few years ago.
- I am also an anarchist and a student and i am familiar with the importance of the author for the international and regional anarchist movement.
- I gather this is why his entry was made in the first place.
- I looked at other living anarchists on wikipedia. The subject of the entry is better documented then many, if not most other anarchists. What i see as a mistake is that he is listed as an academic, which is clearly misleading.
- His importance is in realm of anarchist theory and activism. I believe that this should be evident, both in English and local languages. Maker of this page, as well as myself and other editors, inserted verifiable references as to the importance of Grubacic to the anarchist world. Action and theory. So I suggest that we remove anything that indicate that Grubacic is important as an academic. Don't get me wrong, i don't want to be unfair. He is a scholar. There are not too many anarchist scholars around.
- That is important.
- As me and others tried to emphasize, he is the author of two very important books for the contemporary American anarchist movement.
- I am referring especially to the recent Wobblies and Zapatistas. They are reading groups all over the country and that book serves as a reference point for many anarchists and Marxist rethinking their practice and relationship. It is read from Ireland to Croatia, and reviewed by likes of Chomsky and Zinn and Graeber (another important theorist).
- He also is one of the leading anarchist propagandist in the US and the Balkans.
- There is an abundance of links that speak of his anarchist propaganda tours and talks.
- But what I am really trying to say is that this should be seen in the context of his anarchism (theory and action).
- To sum up, my voice and suggestion goes to keeping the entry, but to make it clear that Grubacic's relevance is that he is an anarchist activist and anarchist scholar. He is one of the few. He is internationally relevant for the anarchist movement. There are enough references, I maintain, to testify to this fact.
- I also made a comparison with other anarchist from the Retort collective, like Iain boal, or other important living anarchists from the United States, like Cindy Milstein, and it seems clear that, comparatively speaking, his relevance and notability has been established by relevant sources.
- So, I say, let's keep the entry and change the lead (important anarchist, not academic). Bobmarley13 (talk) 21:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Skomoroh, who is the maker of the page, will write his position on this during the holidays. I am curious as to what he has to say. Bobmarley13 (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment. The only cites on GS are 6, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1. That's all. Subject, as academic or anarchist, does not appear to pass WP:Prof #1 or any other category. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC).
- Comment. I believe that, in the world of anarchist thought, the subject does indeed pass. As i remarked before, this is well referenced for a living anarchists. It needs tiding up. I strongly insist that anarchist task force should look at this and make a recommendation.Bobmarley13 (talk) 18:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. It seems incongruous that anarchists, who so vehemently reject structured institutions, should seek to be recognised in a structured institution such as Misplaced Pages but, of course, this does not make them unWP:notable. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC).
- This is an incorrect understanding of certain elements of anarchist theory. Primarily, anarchists reject institutions of power and authority. Certain anarchists may reject institutions in general, preferring "organic" organizations which do not outlive the short term goals of their founders. Others prefer organizations of varying size and composition which they may accept as institutions intended to outlive their founders. Examples of the latter which anarchists have founded, or co-founded, include the IWW (a non-anarchist institution co-founded by anarchists such as Lucy Parsons) and the Anarchist Black Cross (an explicitly anarchist project founded by multiple anarchists, which has undergone a morphology as it as been disbanded, recreated, and split into decentralized formats). Similarly, the Anarchist Task Force of Misplaced Pages has been founded as a long standing institution intended to provided editors with an interest in anarchist related articles. It is currently ebbing in activity, but will remain to continue its mission as its original founders move on. --Cast (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment. Interesting point about anarchists and structures. I am an anarchist in my 20's, and most of my formation happened back in the "old country'. But my understanding of anarchism, which might be different from other peoples understanding, and more cultural-specific, in a sense of a post-socialist experience and all, is that anarchism is not opposed to structures and institutions. It is the nature of structure/institution that concerns an anarchist. Is it democratic, or directly democratic, is it hierarchical or less hierarchical. For me, anarchism is a form of organization, networked, decentralized, democratic. I am all for democratic and free institutions that make for a democratic, free society. I am new at wikipedia, but this is why I decided to join. My impression is that wikipedia is a decentralized, networked, democratic project. I was very influenced by Grubacic and Graeber (and Milstein) who are writing about anarchism from this pro-institutional, pro-democratic perspective. There are some newer anarchists who are against everything, all structures and communities, but that is not my thing. Many anarchists I know are very pro-institutional.Bobmarley13 (talk) 03:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Reviewing the activity of the article creator, Skomorokh, I see his original intention of steering this article clear of original research, and unverifiable sources. It seems that after he stopped maintaining it, several editors began "enhancing" the article with unhelpful, but perhaps will intentioned additions. I note that the AfD nominator, Bobmarley13, is among these, and in a further display of misunderstanding, as brought this editor to AfD despite not actually desiring to delete it. The nominator simply wishes to encourage a process of consensus towards an end he(?) favors. AfD is not clean up. AfD is not arbitration. AfD is not the appropriate space for this nomination. In the future, I hope the nominator will not nominate articles for deletion after having himself taken part in the corruption of the article.--Cast (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- agreed. but it wasnt me. i am not the AfD nominator for this one. Bobmarley13 (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Pardon, I apologize profusely. I completely misread the nominator entry due to the absence of a "Keep" notice preceding your commentary. --Cast (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Though I am unversed in the subject matter, I can accept in complete good faith that Skomorokh, an administrator with over 50,000,000 edits and over 150 articles created seems to have a pretty good idea of what and why a subject is notable enough for Misplaced Pages. I also accept in good faith that the nominator might not have been aware of this. Schmidt, 03:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- The person who originates an article is not a criteria for notability. MarkNau (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- I am admittedly unable to knowledgably pass judgement on this article's content. Per WP:AGF, I believe I am allowed to accept that a senior editor and admin with 50 thousand edits and 156 created articles pretty much knows what is notable and what is not before he authors a Misplaced Pages article, and that he would not have wasted his time on something non-notable. WP:AGF allows that I may show confidence ijn his knowledge and understanding of WP:N and bow to his expertise as editor, admin, and long-time contributor to the project. User:Skomorokh has a well-deserved reputation as a contributor, so I can easily consider that fact when weighing the value of his contribution. After all, its not as if he had only been here a few months or had less than 200 edits. We'd all do well to emulate his efforts at improving the project. Thank you. Schmidt, 06:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- weak Keep when dealing with unfamiliar fields, I do to a very considerable extent accept the judgment of Wikipedians I know to be good editors of long standing who do work regularly in the subject, whether they comment here or write the article. His principal English language book, has indeed been reviewed, & he has severa larticles in anthologies. The ones not in English I cannot judge. but several American libraries have them. DGG ( talk ) 05:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep As I think removing the article would not benefit wikipedia's readers. (But this is true of many articles, particularly of noted academics, that are deleted). Grubacic seems to me notable within US (and perhaps Yugoslav) anarchism. But we do not seem to have any guidelines to help us in this area of fringe political propagandists/commentators. Most of the evidence seems to me to be is self propaganda, self published bloggish type things and things published by involved niche publishers which the author is connected with. But this is likely to be the case whereever an activist who is involved with pushing his views is concerened. Despite the fact that Misplaced Pages may be being used as part of this agenda (and I think the tone - and the relationship between one of the article's main editors and the article's subject lend support to this view) this is not justification for deletion - rather the article needs in my view modification. I think it needs to be given a more neutral tone. Also many of the cited sources did not seem to support the claims being made. I myself have been "warned off" from improving the article. Finally I think it is the role as a propaganda or view pusher that he is known and the using the books for notability should be in this way rather than as if they were academic books since he might then be judged according to our very harsh academic criteria. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 09:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC))
- The book Wobblies & Zapatistas: Conversations on Anarchism, Marxism and Radical History has been reviewed here: Anarchist Studies, 2009 by Jun, Nathan. This includes the potentially useful quote "Andrej Grubacic, a younger intellectual who is esteemed in anarchist circles but not as well known outside of them". The journal Anarchist Studies has a page and so does it's editor Ruth Kinna (Msrasnw (talk) 13:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC))
- Neutral but leaning toward delete per Msrasnw, for now. Yes I said per editor who voted keep. S/he stated it perfectly in my opinion; "Most of the evidence seems to me to be is self propaganda, self published bloggish type things and things published by involved niche publishers which the author is connected with." and "Despite the fact that Misplaced Pages may be being used as part of this agenda (and I think the tone - and the relationship between one of the article's main editors and the article's subject lend support to this view)" I do believe this justifies deletion. Firstly, subject is not Croatian, he is Serbian, thus mis-placed in this deletion sorting. The sources listed as the one with most weight (#6 and #18) claim they are major Serbian newspapers - NOT SO. These are diaspora publications in Canada, and such publications by Balkan emigrants in diaspora are not very independent and reliable. Also, there are obvious COI issues by editor BobMarley who has contributed nothing to the project except this article since July of 2008. Article subject may have great ideas and theories, and I would bet anything he will become notable in the future. However, that time is not now, and this article would only serve to artifically inflate notability of subject prematurely. Turqoise127 (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
you are mistaken there turqoise. what you read as diaspora papers are reprints from glas javnosti, a journal that has a contract with toronto papers. glas javnosti is a major serbian daily paper. i repeatedly said that grubacic is from serbia, not croatia, and that his relevance is of an anarchist, not an academic. i might be new to wikipedia, but that should not affect this article (i am not its maker). i do want to make the effort of getting more actively interested and making entry pages of my own. back to the facts: grubacic is a well known anarchist, not a well known academic, so we should keep this entry. most of the well known anarchists, if not all of them, are fringe authors publishing for small anarchist press. that does not make them not worthy or notable. best wishes, Bobmarley13 (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. I am not disposed to accept the unsupported opinion of any editor, no matter how distinguished. In view of the large amount of political POV pushing that this AfD has generated I think that it should be dealt with strictly by the book. It seems that the subject does not meet any of the criteria of WP:Prof. Does he pass on WP:Author, WP:Politician or other criteria? Xxanthippe (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC).
I am skeptical. We are talking about an anarchist author (living anarchist author). Like with most other activists on what someone dismissively called "the fringe," authorship cannot be judged "strictly by the book," i dont think. There must be some flexibility. That is why i kept pointing out to other relevant living anarchist authors. If you take a look at Cindy Milstein entry, or Iain Boal entry, you will see that there is no great monument there. But their influence in anarchist circles is paramount. Grubacic, Graeber, Milstein are authors of the new anarchism concept. There must be a more specific way of dealing with this. Moreover, some people keep addressing anarchism as being somehow the "fringe," but I find this to be profoundly misleading. Anarchism is the very center of global social movements today; this movement is not fringe but a serious counter-hegemonic force to be reckoned with. Another thing is that I believe it is a methodological problem to ask people who do not know anything about the subject matter at hand--anarchism in this case--to respond to contextual relevance of particular subject. I dont know much about physics, I am an international studies major, anarchist and artist. It just doesnt make sense to me that I should impose my own judgment on a subject matter unknown to me. I am not saying that should not be general guidelines. Of course. But there must be some good faith and some flexibility, in leaving the specialists in the field room to decide whats notable and whats not. Hope this make sense. Bobmarley13 (talk) 00:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not pass WP:Prof. Evidence that subject passes WP:Author or WP:Politician is lacking. Subject appears as fringe political activist who has yet to break through to mainstream notability. One of the many articles created too early. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC).
- Keep "widely cited by their peers or successors"; "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work" Pohick2 (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment/question - I think Pohick (just above) is referring to the guidelines No1 and No3 for notability for creative professionals. Does Grubacic qualify as a creative professional? If so the No.1 "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors" seems possibly enough to establish notability. But the full text of number 3 reads "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." And the qualifying "has been the subject of ... " renders no.3 more problematic in my view. Can we use "creative professional" for an "activist" or an author who is voluntarily doing things rather than doing them just for money - (do we have a creative amateur category?)? Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 00:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC))
- Comment good point, walking through the idea - co-creating ...well known work ...that has been the subject...of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews = 2 quoted reviews (WRL & ISR - i could dig up more). Creative professionals = Scientists, academics, economists, professors, authors... now you could argue it's a fringe well known work, but it seems to me he has a body of work in the field sufficient to be notable. Pohick2 (talk) 01:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep. Sure looks like an encyclopedia article to me - well written, well referenced, well sourced article about someone who has published widely in multiple languages, and is notable within his field. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I think we should keep the article but I do not think that it can be legitimately claimed that it is well referenced/sourced. There are lots of references for sure but there are in my view many problems with them. I have raised some of these on the article's talk page to little avail. For example line three states. A partner with Peoples' Global Action and other Zapatista-influenced direct action movements, Grubačić's primary political investment is in Balkan struggles. and this is referenced to "Civilno društvo?", B-92, 9 June 2004. But this is an article by Grubacic that doesn't seem relevant to this sentence. Line two has four references but they don't really seem to me to support that sentence either. (Msrasnw (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC))
- Comment Thanks Msrasnw; I can't read most of the original documents cited, and so I have to rely on what it looks like it is rather than what it is; I would note however that being published on B92 is a sign that he is part of Balkan politics, in the same way that being having a body of work published by Z Magazine is a sign of being sympathetic with its leftist politics (to grossly oversimplify both media organizations). Edward Vielmetti (talk) 01:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- My worry with the article is not with the facts as such just that that the citing and referencing appear almost random and the tone seems to be over-exaggerating his importance. Also references 6 and 7 don't seem to refer to the information in their sentences either! (Msrasnw (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC))
- please be WP:BOLD, and restate what the sources say. Pohick2 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think there are similar problems with many of the refs but one example is we have the last sentence in the lead "His affinity towards anarchism arose as a result of his experiences as a member of the Belgrade Libertarian Group that derives from the Yugoslav Praxis experiment." this is then cited to http://www.hour.ca/news/news.aspx?iIDArticle=18381 . This is about Grubacic and Global Balkans nothing about Belgrade Libertarian Group and the Yugoslav Praxis experiment. It seems to me the sentence has been taken directly from here http://www.pmpress.org/content/article.php?story=andrejgrubacic (but it could be they took it from wikipedia - but it think we plagiarized it from them.) I am reluctant to edit the page as I have been "warned off" on the talk page by Grubacic's student/research assistant who has been editing the page. (Msrasnw (talk) 03:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC))
- please be WP:BOLD, and restate what the sources say. Pohick2 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- My worry with the article is not with the facts as such just that that the citing and referencing appear almost random and the tone seems to be over-exaggerating his importance. Also references 6 and 7 don't seem to refer to the information in their sentences either! (Msrasnw (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC))
- Comment Apologies for my belated participation here. As far as I as creator of the article am concerned, Michael Q. Schmidt and DGG above have the right idea. Although this is a topic area whose norms and culture are notoriously difficult to translate into the neat academic/commercial/entertainment pigeonholes we find useful as Wikipedians to judge notability, I can confirm that Mr. Grubačić is beyond doubt deserving of an article. Alongside his collaborator David Graeber, he is one of the leading figures in the field of contemporary anarchist scholarship, and is just the sort of neglected topic of real-world significance Misplaced Pages in general needs more coverage of. As much work as there is to be done on this article, I do not think the encyclopaedia would benefit from its removal. Regards, Skomorokh 21:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Which particular categories of WP notability does the article satisfy? It certainly doesn't satisfy WP:Prof. Does it satisfy WP:Author or WP:Politician? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC).
- Keep. Sure, this is an article that needs some work, but the references seem to support the subject's notability. Honestly, if people simply did away with their "mother tongue" and did everything in English, our job would be much easier. In regards to Xxanthippe's remark, is WP:N not enough, subject is discussed in-depth in a couple of reliable sources? Drmies (talk) 02:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Which couple are you referring to? Xxanthippe (talk) 09:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC).
- Keep - In my opinion, he meets WP:ANYBIO, quite easily, under point number 2: "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." Noam Chomsky et al. are enormous figures within current anarchist thought, and he's been involved with him and others, so I'd say that this fellow merits inclusion, at least under ANYBIO. Cocytus 20:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - he belongs in showbiz, really.Red Hurley (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Do you mind elaborating? Cocytus 00:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. This article is being used as a blog for pushing Balkan political POV and is stuffed with irrelevant and superfluous material. It is an abuse of Misplaced Pages. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC).
- Comment I fear that this above is more a comment on a particular ideology then on the subject himself. I think it would be good to steer clear from attacks against anarchism. You might wish to disagree with anarchism, or you might wish to consider it a fringe politics. I maintain it is neither. But this is not our topic here. As Skomorokh pointed out, Grubacic is one of the principal voices in contemporary anarchist scholarship/activism, together with David Graeber (and, i would add, Cindy Milstein). Arguing against his entry implies an argument against the relevance of contemporary anarchism. And that would be, to my mind, an abuse of wikipedia. We have a comment by Chomsky. We have a comment by Bond. We have comments by Lynd and Graeber. As for participatory economics, Grubacic is one of the translators of the principal parecon work. Participatory Economics, authored by Michael Albert, he toured the Balkans with Albert many times, and is published widely on this topic in local anarchist zines. He also published a parecon book with Albert in one of the local languages.Bobmarley13 (talk) 15:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I think you put it fairly well Bobmarley. I based my opinion on WP:ANYBIO, which states "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field." For me, at least, he meets this designation, as the Chomsky stuff, etc. indicates to me that he is part of the enduring historical record in his field, anarchism. Cocytus 15:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Comment Thanks. I also want to be fair to Msrasnw, who is saying that there is more work to be done. I apologize if I sounded dismissive in the past. I agree, I am all for refinement, and I think that this should be an ongoing project. In terms of meeting the notability standards in his field, contemporary anarchism, I think that this has been demonstrated beyond any-- reasonable, fair, non-ideological-- discussion.Bobmarley13 (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
CommentI think it might be good if someone else who wanted to keep the article went through it and checked the refs and deleted all the inappropriate refs and things that just seem over-exagerating eg 'Together with Robert Posavec, he is responsible for spreading the idea of participatory economics in the Balkans.' - this is referenced to an interview by Michael Albert of Andrej Grubačić in his own organisation's web blog http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/9970 This interview is just Grubacic talking about how he thinks things should be and that he has spoken to some people about it. There is no independent evidence that people have listened and become convinced by his arguments and the ideas have spread. (Msrasnw (talk) 11:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC))
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Unemployment in the Roaring 20's
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Bringing this here as a PROD was removed, meets CSD A10 as the subject is already covered in detail in Great Depression in the United States and there's very little info here, but I don't think contested PRODs can be speedily deleted. Cassandra 73 (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Per nominator. There is nothing of value to merit a redirect. Warrah (talk) 14:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- delete for the concept of the article being inaccurate- the great depression started in october 1929- its associated with the 30's, not the last 3 months of the 20's... --Brunk500 (talk) 15:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Probably someone's homework, schools out, enjoy the holiday. It's not likely as a search term.Mandsford (talk) 15:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Brunk500. The Great Depression is an issue of the 1930s not the 1920s. Anything of value can be merged into the Great Depression article. As a side note, even if the article wasn't completely factually incorrect with regards to time, it far too US centric Pit-yacker (talk) 18:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per above, Great Depression article wouldn't be improved by merging this in my opinion DRosin (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Per lack of opposition. Sandstein 06:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Louis L. Gregory
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Fails WP:BIO requirement as I find no google news matches for this person under this name, though matches can be found for Uncle Louie Management and as that article (and Uncle Louie Music Group) exists and uses associated sources, this BLP seems unnecessary and overly promotional as well as failing the specific requirements of BIO. Ash (talk) 13:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Weak delete His management group is probably notable but I'm not so sure about him. No specific citations are given. There are a lot of external links but most are actually about the management group or the label, and do not support his own notability. Some do not mention him at all. For example the IMD database is listed but I could find nothing there about him, and I could find no such source as "Who is who in hip hop". --MelanieN (talk) 06:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN
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The result was Withdrawn. NAC. Joe Chill (talk) 16:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Nosajthing
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Speedy removed by original creator. I'd rather take it here.
Not a notable electronic music artist. No charting albums, no released albums I can easily find, or are in the article. Shadowjams (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Nomination withdrawn. Shadowjams (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Workplace HIV/AIDS Programmes
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WP:NOT#MANUAL for creating an HIV program in the workplace. Ironholds (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete as a mix of synthesis and howto. Guy (Help!) 14:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Cayley–Dickson construction. Not much to merge, so I'll just redirect this. Tone 14:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Trigintaduonion
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This is an example of the Cayley–Dickson construction applied multiple times. In theory, the construction could be applied an infinite number of times, but the resulting objects are only mathematically significant in the first few cases. We don't need an article on a mathematical concept simply because it is possible to define it. There is no evidence of notability from secondary sources and the article itself simply describes the construction while giving no information that does not directly follow from it. RDBury (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I nominated this for CSD G1 because it's so technical, it's bordering on gibberish. Unless someone writes an accessible introduction, it's not useful for a general audience. --Mblumber (talk) 15:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep I have expanded the article somewhat and added reference. Since this algebra has a specific and recognised name, it does merit its own article. The point about technicality and accessibility is a recurring complaint about Misplaced Pages mathematics articles, but is not grounds for deletion. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Although true that one can in principle continue to apply the Cayley-Dickson construction infinitely, this seems to be the last notable case. (Of course, there is then the apparent paradox that the sexagintaquaternions would be notable by virtue of being the smallest non-notable such algebra ;-P) Sławomir Biały (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep. While somewhat obscure, these do seem to appear in the literature. Regarding Mblumber's point about being technical: It's not at the moment much worse than many other math stubs. For a mathematician or math student I think it is acceptable. In the long run it will be made better. Ozob (talk) 16:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)Merge. I was wrong. Yes, primary sources don't suffice. Ozob (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- WP:Notability specifies that secondary sources should be used as evidence for notability. Journal article are considered primary sources. So appearance in the literature must include books or survey articles to be acceptable for this purpose. In any case, the references given don't seem to indicate whether they have appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, so your use of the term 'literature' is somewhat loose.--RDBury (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'd have thought that some journal articles would be considered primary sources and other secondary, depending on content. Those that introduce the trigintaduonions or demonstrate new results concerning them would be primary sources. Those that rely on their reading public to be familiary with the trigintaduonions already or that mention them in passing would be secondary. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- WP:Notability specifies that secondary sources should be used as evidence for notability. Journal article are considered primary sources. So appearance in the literature must include books or survey articles to be acceptable for this purpose. In any case, the references given don't seem to indicate whether they have appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, so your use of the term 'literature' is somewhat loose.--RDBury (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Someone mentioned the Cayley–Dickson construction without linking to that article, so here it is. I don't know how far down the sequence you can go and find objects worthy of an article. We have articles on particular four-digit integers that stand out as notable; maybe the same could be said of the 4379th object in this sequence. But some assertion of notability should be there. I agree with Mblumber that more context should have been there, but to say it looked like gibberish is far too extreme; the nature of the topic was clear. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Cayley–Dickson construction or delete. Apparently not notable at all. Appearances in half a dozen research papers are not sufficient for a separate article, and there are no organisational reasons to keep this a separate article. The topic can be much better understood if treated in its proper context. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Hans Adler 18:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep This page is not completely finished, and there is little information on the subject, so it may take a while to finish. Distortiondude 14:19 (EST)
- I have even expanded it just a little bit, but still, it is not completed. 15:50 12/20/09 (EST) Distortiondude
- Merge into Cayley-Dickson construction. It seems to me that the treatment of this algebra would be enriched by describing its provenance in the Cayley-Dickson construction and comparing its properties to those of other Cayley-Dickson algebras. Plclark (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Cayley-Dickson construction. As it stands now, this little stub is a WP:DICTDEF, albeit a mathematical one. Pcap ping 15:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Userfy (aka delete) unless a book or survey paper mentions it, as indicated by RDBury above. Google scholar has only 6 hits on the name. (The information that Distortiondude just added to the article shouldn't be there even if the article were to be kept, but I'm not going to remove it.) We don't even know that this is a common name for the concept, even if the concept were worthy of mention in Cayley-Dickson construction. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Cayley-Dickson construction. I too think the notability of these constructions ends with the Sedenions if not the Octonions. --JohnBlackburne (talk) 23:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Cayley-Dickson construction and redirect. When enough information is available (from enough sources), it might warrant its own article. At this point, though, it seems that this information would be more accessible and appropriate in the aforementioned article. Spiral5800 (talk) 13:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. All the information in the article looks like it's already in Cayley–Dickson construction, so all of the merges above really amount to deletes. Ozob (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. no consensus for deletion JForget 02:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
SALT (quartet)
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The indications of notability in the article aren't anywhere near enough to clear WP:GNC. No external sourcesSources are primary sources.Shadowjams (talk) 11:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: Contrary to the claim made here, an external source was included at the article's creation. All the Barbershop Harmony Society quartet champions have articles (in place since 2006), which led me to begin adding them for Sweet Adelines International champions. —ADavidB 12:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: Within the musician notability criteria, the subject of this article satisfies criterion 9, having "won ... a major music competition", and in so doing became the most prominent representative of womens barbershop singing (satisfying criterion 7). —ADavidB 14:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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aremay be considered primary, the A Cappella News source is secondary. —ADavidB 00:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Reiterating - "a Swedish barbershop quartet that won the Sweet Adelines International Quartet Championship for 2007 in Las Vegas, Nevada in October 2006" That is the only claim to notability. The sources only backup that fact in the article. Nobody else has added any indications of notability although it's been tagged for what will be 3 weeks now. Shadowjams (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Reiteration – Winning a major competition is a criterion for notability. Nobody else has questioned the quartet's notability. —ADavidB 07:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, ok. I thought everyone had forgot about this one. I guess my question is if this competition is notable. If it's a barbershop quartet, and this is the onlytime anybody's written about them, I don't see that as notable. But if this is a notable competition (I don't think it has a page itself) then perhaps winning it is enough on its own.
I think we'd both like to see more input on this issue. Shadowjams (talk) 07:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC) - The "major competition" term isn't defined by the musician notability criteria, nor are examples given. The Sweet Adelines International organization which holds the competition has over 25,000 members. As noted in my first comment above, I patterned this article's creation after those for Barbershop Harmony Society champions; that organization has about 30,000 members. By winning these competitions, quartets become the most prominent representatives of their barbershop music style, another criterion for notability. —ADavidB 08:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, ok. I thought everyone had forgot about this one. I guess my question is if this competition is notable. If it's a barbershop quartet, and this is the onlytime anybody's written about them, I don't see that as notable. But if this is a notable competition (I don't think it has a page itself) then perhaps winning it is enough on its own.
- Keep per ADavidB's argument. Tomas e (talk) 15:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Euphony (Matthew Good album)
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For good measure, the last of the unsourced Matthew Good demo tapes. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. Demos are generally not notable per WP:NALBUMS, unless there is significant coverage from reliable sources. I'm not finding any in this case. Gongshow 19:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
...And In Closing (demo)
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Unreleased demo tape. Mostly a recreation of …And in Closing (deleted at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/…And in Closing) but there is a link to this source which I wouldn't qualify as reliable enough to be satisfactory. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. This appears to be a non-notable demo. I can not find "significant independent coverage in reliable sources", which is needed to satisfy WP:NALBUMS. Gongshow 19:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this album. Joe Chill (talk) 20:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Broken (demo)
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Prior version was proded and deleted but I think this deserves a full AFD. Beyond the unreleased demo tape part, there's WP:BLP issues plus the lack of reliable sources. Ricky81682 (talk) 11:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per WP:NALBUMS, a demo can only be notable if there exists "significant independent coverage in reliable sources". I can find no such coverage for this demo. Gongshow 19:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:17, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Elijah from philly
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The article has no independent sources and the external links appear tangential without supporting the claims of the article body. I have trimmed off claims about plans and future productions but have been unable to find reliable sources. Google News finds no matches for "Elijah Spiritoso" or "Elijah United We Stand". This seems incongruous with claims that the single was a success across the entire world. Ash (talk) 11:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - nothing found to support notability claim, which, frankly, is off the scale of ludicrousness -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG - appears to be an obscure singer who had one obscure song from an onscure soundtrack of an obscure comedy film. Bearian (talk) 23:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
ANAT technology
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This term appears only to be used by a single company. I cannot find anything to confirm notability. References given are all traceable back to that company. The article appears to have been created by a marketing representative of that company. noq (talk) 11:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Given that all the references and nearly all the search hits seem to come from the manufacturer, the notability of the subject is not established. The only information in the article on the subject is a brief "Overview" that could be in the manufacturer's article Robotics Design. If there were some independent sources and if the manufacturer provided some quality pictures and information, the article may be saved, but both of those steps seem unlikely and essentially the article serves as a page to hold links to the manufacturer's website. The article may be a recreation of ANAT Technology which was deleted ("G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion") on 8 September 2009. Johnuniq (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - fails to meet WP:PRODUCT requirements for notability.—Ash (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to the parent company Robotics Design. They seem notable enough at first glance. This technological term, even if used outside the company, will likely not generate the type of sources needed for an article here - Peripitus (Talk) 12:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please everyone, give me more time. I am adding a new media reference to this technology almost daily, and i assure you that this technology is notable, and does deserve its own page to improve accesability to the information it presents. Our robots and the technology behind them are studied in universities such as ÉTS, making this article an informational source for students and an enhancement to their educational experience. As for pictures, ive been having a bit of trouble with volunteers claiming that my images are possibly unfree and deleting them, but i continue to fight, and you will all have a fine selection to admire by after christmas. The information presented my sound a bit technical, and that is currently being asessed, but you must understand that this is a completely new technology in robotics where certian terms and language used have not been accepted into mainstream language, so it might take a while before the words exist to fully demonstrate these robots and their abilities in detail. A 60 second video without text available on the home page of Robotics Design Inc. (http://www.roboticsdesign.qc.ca/) helps provide a general understanding of the technology, and might be able to help you appreciate this article more fully. If you have something to add or you want something specific re-written, pleas inform me and that it how i will be able to make improvements and show you exactly why this article should be here. the page Robotics Design was almost deleted after it was posted, and had others not given me specific problems to resolve it may have been taken down, and a fine addition to wikipedia would not be here today. In the end, i am asking for your patience and your critism in order to make this article a useful information source as it is meant to be. Work with me, ask me for what you need, and we'll get it done right.
Canadiansteve (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- and for references i already put three where the technology and products are mentionned in known magazines, am i to understand that even for now three media references is not enough? Perhaps if i had five magaiznes taking about the technology, would that change everything? I read things on wikipedia half as notable as this technology with only 1 or 2 sources and they dont need a seperate page to print out warnings about the article. If i get one more magazine article before the end of the year, would that satisfy everyone or should i get two? you have to give me more specifics or everyone will be running in circles resolving nothing. thank you for your understanding.Canadiansteve (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Is there anything that you have not been involved in creating? - See WP:OR. Everything so far seems promotional - and your job title as head of marketing for this company seems to tie in with that. Misplaced Pages is not meant to be a marketing tool - please do not use it as such. Are there any publications in peer reviewed literature? noq (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- The material added to this article is meant for educational purposes, and is not made to serve Robotics Design Inc.'s marketing efforts in any way. Most of the information was posted from my account, but much of it was made under my supervision by university students, engineers, and others interested and knowledgable of the company. After the christmas vacation, we will have several university students available to make posts and share their knowledge on the topic. Many ÉTS alumni made their master's and PHDs writing about and working with this technology, and it is well known by educators, students and professionals who take interest in the robotics industry. This technology represents a new architecture in robotics; a new way of putting them together and designing them. This article will serve as an informational source to the world, a more acessable freeflow of information on what many beileive to be robotic architecture of the future. And i know very well that wikipedia is not a marketing tool noq, please do not make unfounded accusations. Perhaps if you were to tell me which part of my article seems to serve only as a promotion, i could make some changes, but pointing fingers and fighting never did solve anything. Give me specifics, I apreciate critism, even if it is negative, but you have to give me more to go on then "its bad".
- Is there anything that you have not been involved in creating? - See WP:OR. Everything so far seems promotional - and your job title as head of marketing for this company seems to tie in with that. Misplaced Pages is not meant to be a marketing tool - please do not use it as such. Are there any publications in peer reviewed literature? noq (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- and for references i already put three where the technology and products are mentionned in known magazines, am i to understand that even for now three media references is not enough? Perhaps if i had five magaiznes taking about the technology, would that change everything? I read things on wikipedia half as notable as this technology with only 1 or 2 sources and they dont need a seperate page to print out warnings about the article. If i get one more magazine article before the end of the year, would that satisfy everyone or should i get two? you have to give me more specifics or everyone will be running in circles resolving nothing. thank you for your understanding.Canadiansteve (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Canadiansteve (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- No original research - either by you or under your supervision, Reliable sources - not instigated by you, Verifiability - again something that did not originate by you or your company, notability - as defined in Misplaced Pages. You make big claims but do not provide independent sources to back them up. You say, "Well known by educators, students and professionals" but provide no evidence for that. Similarly, "What many believe to be robotic architecture of the future" but no sources, where are the papers discussing this written by people not associated with your company.noq (talk) 07:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Left of Normal
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No sources, non-notable demo tape. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- DELETE - unreleased demo tape. --Brunk500 (talk) 11:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per WP:NALBUMS, demos are in general not notable. "They may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources". I can find no such coverage for this demo. Gongshow 19:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
History Teacher
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Non-notable demo tape. Or non-notable compilation of demos, I don't care. Either way. There's also possible WP:BLP issues, both in regards to rumors about versions of a living musician's music and more important, allegations about the person who released this tape, assuming reliable sources about it exist. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per WP:NALBUMS, demos are in general not notable. "They may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources". I can find no such coverage for this demo. Gongshow 19:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:22, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
15 Hours on a September Thursday
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Non-notable demo tape. Cannot find reliable source of its existence. If possible, a redirect to History Teacher may be reasonable but I'm nominating that as a WP:BLP issue as well. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this album. Joe Chill (talk) 16:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per WP:NALBUMS, demos are in general not notable. "They may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources". I can find no such coverage for this demo. Gongshow 19:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NALBUMS. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
On the Wave Productions
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Speedied twice and original creator removed it twice by different editors. I don't see any references (other than the primary source). The article itself has no information, only a bare link to a primary source (single source). Shadowjams (talk) 10:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete Fails WP:ORG. Warrah (talk) 14:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy deletion declined but delete anyway. The article certainly makes a claim to notability, but fails to produce the goods. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Delete - Peripitus (Talk) 03:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Robert (Bob) Clarence Irwin
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Notability is not inherited. Son of Steve Irwin. May well have a notable article in the future, but not yet, plus, we should respect the privacy of people who haven't thrust themselves into the limelight. Shadowjams (talk) 10:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per Wp:NOTINHERITED. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 16:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - No independent notability established. -- Mattinbgn\ 02:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. THIS is not sufficient to establish notability. WWGB (talk) 03:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Possibly redirect to article about Steve Irwin. Thus far, the 6 year old has done nothing to be notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:27, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Kin Yang-Song
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Verifiability concerns. I can't find any mention of references backing up the existence of this group, and established histiography does not mention it (rather it refers to groups of Koreans in Soviet Russia as the first Korean communists). Another article Park Seong in the same series was deleted some time back. (i think there might have been more, it would be good if an admin could check deleted edits of the creator of the article.) Soman (talk) 09:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete As per nom, without any 3rd party coverage this article fails WP:NOTABILITY RP459 (talk) 18:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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Chinese immigration to Sydney, Australia
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
EAbsinthe.com
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Originally this was an internet shop. It is now not a shop but just an information site with links to a much smaller shop.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BryonyM (talk • contribs) 18 December 2009
- Step 2 of the AfD nomination process (listing of article heading and links) was not completed correctly. It has been manually corrected. KuyaBriBri 17:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: It sounds like the nomination rationale is the business' current status as defunct. I have not yet tried to determine notability, but a business that was once notable does not cease to be notable if it becomes defunct. If this business was never notable, that's another, more valid argument for deletion. KuyaBriBri 17:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this company. Joe Chill (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Dr Steve Phillips
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Delete. Non-notable person. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete or possibly merge with an article on people with the longest amount of acronyms after their name. (Kidding). Seems to be non-notable, some better sources might change my mind, but I can't find any right now DRosin (talk) 21:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
why is steve phillips less notable than michael pearson or john rushby who also appear on the same entry for dartford grammar school? 92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.81.151 (talk) 22:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The sources are extremely reputable e.g the chartered institute of building and loughborough university are bona fide respected institutions. 92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.81.151 (talk) 22:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I am Steve Phillips and i dont really want to be associated with a project that thinks Loughborough University or the Chartered Institute of Building are poor sources or that the CIOB International Research prize is not a prestigous award as per the notability criteria of WP:ACADEMIC. I would have been much more impressed by your reviewers if they had cited the WP:ACADEMIC criteria rather than with unreferenced remarks. Thank you.92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Bear in mind that sources are used for two separate purposes: verification and establishment of notability. Both of those sources are fine for verifiability but they don't automatically confer notability when they mention a person. It depends on what they say. We are not questioning the establishments by questioning whether the references confer sufficient notability. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Neutral. He certainly comes close with the government working party involvement. The prize helps a little bit too. I am not sure if it is enough though. It is a pity that this is getting so personal. Whether a person is notable in encyclopaedic terms or not is not meant to be a judgement on their worth as a person. Given that notability is borderline, I think we should respect his wishes if he really wants the article deleted. If so, I recommend to make the request by email to verify that it really is from him. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: If kept, the article needs to be renamed as we don't use titles. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Mr Rosin made this personal with his jibe about acronyms after a persons name. These letters are awarded as a result of an enormous amount of hard work and it is really disappointing to see them become the object of someone's derision. Surely the point is that if i am the subject of the article and i want it removed then it should be removed? 92.12.81.151 (talk) 23:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- The issue of the letters is a matter of the Misplaced Pages house style. It is not our style to list them all and DRosin was joking about that. I am pretty sure that he wasn't disparaging the qualifications behind them. It was just a dig at the writing style of the author, and a pretty mild one. I guess such things can be misinterpreted.
- As regards deletion being a matter of the subject's choice, that is not true in general but such requests are often accepted in cases where the subject is of borderline notability. Subjects that are definitely not notable get deleted irrespective of choice and subjects that are definitely notable can not be deleted even if the subject requests it. (For example, a request from, say, a major politician or celebrity to have their article deleted would be denied, although they can request that inaccuracies or bias be corrected). I suspect that this article is going to be deleted anyway but if you want to formally request this you can find the contact address here. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The point i am making is that Misplaced Pages has set out a list of criteria which defines notability. As far as i can see the references provided comply with the WP:criteria but if the reviewers dont then shouldn't they refer to the relevant criteria to illustrate non-compliance? To my mind that would be the correct way to process an editorial function rather than take a cheap shot at the writing style? If wikipedia wants to be considered a font of knowledge than they may like to consider acting in an appropriate manner. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.81.151 (talk) 00:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep:If the article complies with WP's own criteria for notability then shouldn't the article be kept? and yes i am playing devils advocate here.92.12.81.151 (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming that this comment was added by Steve Phillips himself (it is the same UP address as used by Steve Phillips in the comment above) is this not a conflict of interest? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: Thats why i put i am playing devils advocate to indicate the conflict! Pls delete as hamiltonstone has given me the answers i was looking for with respect to your review process.Thank you.92.2.98.33 (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- (ec)Delete. There are issues with regard to whether this has "received significant coverage" and whether it is in sufficiently independent sources. A number of the newsletters reporting the winning of the prize would appear to count Phillips as a student, an organisation member (eg. CIOB), prospective member etc. Given that the prize appears to be the only event attracting the coverage, i don't think this really meets the criteria for notability in any case. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The research has been published in a number of peer reviewed academic journals. Do these types of journals count as independent sources? a book was also published as a result of the work does the ISBN number count as proof of an idependent source? 92.12.81.151 (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- The publication of research by Phillips in peer reviewed journals may assist in establishing notability for the subject of that research, but not for Phillips himself. See WP:ACADEMIC (though also note, as Phillips appears not to be a practicing academic, these criteria may be of limited relevance) hamiltonstone (talk) 01:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Pls delete and thank you for setting out your review process it has been helpful.btw- i am a practicing academic. Steve Phillips. 92.2.98.33 (talk) 09:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- weak Keep: isnt the CIOB International research and innovation award a prestigous international award? The Chartered Institute Of Building is certainly an establshed global organisaton and the award is,self evidently, international. Granted it is not the Nobel prize but the NP is surely the pinnacle not the benchmark. cockney dave/Cockney media (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- As the main contributor to the article in question, thanks for coming in to participate here. A response to your query: First, it appears not to be prestigious, outside the industry at any rate. I had not previously heard of it, and a google news search (one test of something's broader notability) turns up nothing of consequence. Second, if it were the only thing for which Phillips was known and referred to in reliable sources, then that would probably not establish notability. regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
sorry for delay but i only just picked up my messages. Fair point I dont think the award would be of any interest to anybody outside of the construction industry. cockney dave/Cockney media (talk) 10:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I am Steve Phillips....wait, not I'm not. But I can log on here anonymously and claim to be. Short of any verification, I'm not inlined to put much stock in the IP editor, who would have a clear COI issue if he is the subject. As for the delete, I don't see where he meets notability. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed. That is why I tried to encourage him to use the contact address to make a formal request from a verifiable email address. I have no idea if he did. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
PST Trier Stampers
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This American football club is non-notable. The highest level it has competed in so far is the Regionalliga, which is the third highest division of American football leagues in Germany, and which isn't a professional semi-professional league. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC) Changed my reasoning per my first comment below. Having participated in a semi-professional league would, in my eyes, be enough to constitute notability. I still don't see that they have done that, though. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see why the third league shouldn't be implemented. It seems to me as if they were playing an important role in Rhineland-Palatine and are one of the oldest still existing teams in Germany. On the list of American Football Teams in Germany, there are even worse teams with a Misplaced Pages entry. Trier's soccer team also plays in the third highest league. --79.206.27.80 (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. The three Google News hits show only local interest. Abductive (reasoning) 13:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well, to be fair, you cannot judge the club's notability just on their status in recent years. In 1999 they were close to getting promoted to the 2. Bundesliga, which in my eyes would have made them notable. So the question is if that achievement, or maybe something else in their history that I've missed, constitutes enough notability or not. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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This discussion is now some ten days old, and still shows no sign whatsoever of reaching consensus, either on the strength of numbers or on the merits of the arguments. I have closed it accordingly. NAC by—S Marshall /Cont 13:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Doon Theological Journal
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This article on an Indian journal lacks any secondary sources attesting to its notability. Deprodded. Abductive (reasoning) 07:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. This journal appears to at least be recognized in the scholarly theological community. It does garner some Google Books hits despite having only been in existence since 2004. As with other scholarly journals that have come up at AfD, I looked up the journal on three university libraries' catalogs, and two of them do subscribe to this journal. I believe the journal should be given the benefit of the doubt as to notability. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please note that there are 300,000 journals currently in existence. Shall we give them all the benefit of the doubt? Abductive (reasoning) 23:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Many of those publications are not scholarly journals. And of the ones that are, I'm only suggesting to give the benefit of the doubt to the ones that we can find in university library catalogs and which garner some Google Books hits. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- The Google Book hits are citations for the articles that appear in the journal, not the third party analysis required to write an encyclopedia article. Abductive (reasoning) 03:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, Archiv fur Reformationsgeschichte. Archive for reformation history, Volume 36 (2007) includes items from this journal. John Vandenberg 01:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- That's a listing in a government database, and hardly constitutes a secondary source. Misplaced Pages is not a catalog. Abductive (reasoning) 01:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Not quite. it's a listing in a library catalog to indicate the title being referred to by the reference from google books. But one citation does not prove notability, and 3 subscriptions do not prove influence. I'll need to look further: Theological journals are particularly tricky, due to their usually very small circulation, and anything published in India is difficult to document. They have a very large university system, and publish many journals and books, but have no national database for publications or even a union catalog to determine how many Indian libraries have copies. DGG ( talk ) 06:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is Archive for Reformation History. I don't have volume 36, so I can't see whether it is cited within an article, or evidence of being abstracted in the literary review supplementary issue. --John Vandenberg 14:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment Worldcat shows at least 18 holdings in North American Theological schools. Figuring similar stats for India is almost impossible. -SpacemanSpiff 03:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep It is a recognised academic journal. There is no discussion at the article's talk page and so the proper deletion process has not been followed. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I followed WP:BEFORE. This journal might be recognized by primary sources, but has nada in secondary sources and therefore must be deleted. Abductive (reasoning) 08:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, you didn't. For example, the folowing step has not been followed: "Read the article's talk page ... If there is no discussion then start one, outlining your concerns. Then watch for responses from interested editors." Colonel Warden (talk) 08:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Why should I do that? There are no secondary sources for this journal, and no amount of discussion can change that. Abductive (reasoning) 08:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- You don't know that because you haven't tried. Your doctrine that the lack of secondary sources means that the article must be deleted is false. Per WP:BEFORE] and WP:PRESERVE, alternatives to deletion should be considered. It may be that there are Indian language sources or sources not searched by Google. Because you have failed to engage with the article's editors at the article, proper discussion and consideration has not been performed. AFD is not cleanup and should only be used for hopeless cases after ordinary editing methods and discussion have failed. If we wanted a bot to go around deleting articles without sources, we could soon have one. Your services in this regard add no value and so are not required. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I've rarely seen an AfD with such a talk page discussion first and as far as I am concerned, proper procedure has been followed here. In any case, I don' think that the absence of a talk page discussion is a valid "keep" argument and the article's original editor has been notified and can participate in this discussion. Concerning the other "keep" arguments above, I am not too impressed with the Australian listing. Somewhere (I don't find it right now I'm afraid), DGG has posted some comments on that list and they strongly implied that being listed did not mean much in terms of notability. As for the reference that John Vandenberg found in the "Archiv", as DGG says, one reference is not enough for notability. --Crusio (talk) 08:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It seems that talk page discussions do not occur as they should, not because they are not required nor because it would be unhelpful but just because tools like Twinkle do not support them and so drive-by editors would have to exert themselves to start and follow a discussion. In other words, we get reflex button-pushing because it is easier than proper engagement with the topic. But Misplaced Pages is not a first-person shooter. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Colonel Warden, you are usually so good at finding sources, why not with this one? Abductive (reasoning) 09:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The editors above have conducted good searches and seem reasonably satisfied with the results. I have looked enough to endorse their conclusion so that we may speedily close this overdue procedure and move on. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Which sources do you mean? One editor said "It's a recognized academic journal" without apparently any base and without explaining what "recognized" in this sense means. John Vandenberg found one "sources", and one citation does not really mean anything much. --Crusio (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please see below. John Vandenberg has it covered and so the article is coming along nicely. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- PS: The lack of secundary sources is a significant problem, per WP:V. --Crusio (talk) 08:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- What facts in the article are in need of verification? Do you dispute anything which is stated? Citations are only required for details which are controversial or might be disputed. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia not a search engine. If people want sources, they can use Google themselves, so cutting out the middle man and getting an up-to-date listing. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is that lack of encyclopedic content, such as might be provided by secondary sources, that is the problem with this topic. Abductive (reasoning) 09:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The article is a stub and marked as such. As the journal is comparatively new, we can expect the entry to grow over time. We have no pressing deadline to meet or word count to satisfy. Deletion would just disrupt the natural process of slow accretion. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- And with that argument, we can speedily close every AfD currently in progress. --Crusio (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment. I've added two more refs, the first being a review in Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, and the section is a mention in a list of resources, broken down into regions. It is included in Theological libraries all around the world, many of which are not in Worldcat. John Vandenberg 12:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 07:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Jaikoz
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Fails Misplaced Pages:Notability. I'd actually prefer a redirect to MusicBrainz (a related topic that mentions Jaikoz), but some other editors have suggested that I initiate an AfD to get a clear consensus. --Explodicle (T/C) 17:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect or delete I examined this article awhile back (it had a longstanding notability tag), and found no significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. In reply to a response: if a redirect is inappropriate, then delete.Ray 19:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- A redirect was opposed here and here. -- intgr 19:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- What do you suggest? Keep, merge, delete? --Explodicle (T/C) 19:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- I would prefer to keep it, but I don't have any sources to help establish notability. -- intgr 20:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Same here, if redirection is deemed inappropriate (WP:R#DELETE #4), deletion is my second choice. --Explodicle (T/C) 20:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Redirect or delete. Article seems to be a promotional effort by the software author (assuming Paul Taylor is User:Pault100). Sources are insignficant. Haakon (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect
or deleteOnly redirect if there is at least one third party source. The redirect should be a new section in the MetaBrainz article about third party software using the service and software that is mildly notable (one third party source) but not independently notable (multiple third party sources) can grow there. Miami33139 (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Update Added references are very weak for a standalone article. I support moving and redirecting this to a single paragraph mention as I said above. Miami33139 (talk) 15:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak? Macnews, Macworld, and two national universities? Perhaps you can elaborate on your statement. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Appearing in a directory listing for a CD-ROM is not notable at all. Short reviews by magazines that print lots of short reviews do not show much notability. The university links aren't about this software, and the amount of information specifically about this software is a few sentences. The general notability guideline wants significant coverage. This coverage is trivial. Miami33139 (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- The academic links are both to research into automatic metadata generation, and both cite Jaikoz as an exemplar of existing art. That is de facto notable, my friend. I suppose you can argue that the attention of a Macworld editor doesn't contribute to notability, but you'll be in the minority. Ditto for software distributed by Macworld on a bonus CD. It was on the CD because the editors of a major computer publication deemed it of particular interest to their readers. And Macworld has a lot of readers. Yappy2bhere (talk) 00:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- They academic sources are not about Jaikoz, and do not give it significant coverage, even if they cite it as an implementation. Shovelware has never been accepted as evidence of notability that I know of. Miami33139 (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- The academic links are both to research into automatic metadata generation, and both cite Jaikoz as an exemplar of existing art. That is de facto notable, my friend. I suppose you can argue that the attention of a Macworld editor doesn't contribute to notability, but you'll be in the minority. Ditto for software distributed by Macworld on a bonus CD. It was on the CD because the editors of a major computer publication deemed it of particular interest to their readers. And Macworld has a lot of readers. Yappy2bhere (talk) 00:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. The article now cites positive reviews by a Macnews.de senior editor and by a Macworld Germany editor writing for iPhoneWorld, cites the program's inclusion by Macworld Italy on a CD supplement, and cites two academic references to the program. It may not be the Lindy hop, but it's surely notable. I'd ask early voters to reconsider their votes. Yappy2bhere (talk) 08:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've reviewed your recent contributions and concur with Miami33139. --Explodicle (T/C) 16:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Are you sure? They seem at least as significant as the notable coverage of Carolann B. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:37, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- Notability is determined by the sources available, not the sources currently in an article. If you don't think my sources for Carolann B are sufficient, please bring it up at Talk:Carolann B and I'll add some more. --Explodicle (T/C) 15:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Are you sure? You don't actually have to include notable sources in an article, you only have to believe that they exist? I'd hoped to understand what, in you opinion, was notable by examining articles you'd approved, but clearly there's more to notability than meets the eye. Yappy2bhere (talk) 21:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Notability is determined by the sources available, not the sources currently in an article. If you don't think my sources for Carolann B are sufficient, please bring it up at Talk:Carolann B and I'll add some more. --Explodicle (T/C) 15:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep per Yappy2bhere. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe that the German articles qualify as "significant coverage", though quite weak at that. -- intgr 19:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- Neutral While there is coverage there, it is right on the border of what I would consider significant and am loth to fall on either side of the fence. Brilliantine (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep A full review (& a very positive one) in a major Mac publication macnews.de is sufficient, along with the other citations given. A merge with MusicBrainz is not reasonable, for it's only one of the programs that uses that database DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
CRITICISM OF CORPORATE FINANCE
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Contested PROD; reason was: violation of WP:NOT#ESSAY and WP:NPOV. Nick—/Contribs 05:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is not a legitimate POV fork as would be the case if the "Criticism" section of Corporate finance had gotten too long and had to be spun off. This could theoretically be proper subject matter for an article, but (1) not this article, and (2) not done this way. --Glenfarclas (talk) 07:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete as a personal essay. JIP | Talk 14:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. should have been a speedy deletion imo. I mean, the name is in full caps to start with.. --Brunk500 (talk) 15:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: An essay. Joe Chill (talk) 16:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Misplaced Pages is not a repository for personal essays. Doc StrangeLogbook 19:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Weird article, delete as per above DRosin (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Essay. Bye. JBsupreme (talk) 08:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing but an essay. Should be a snow closure. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like someone's notes. We're not here to be a freebie web-host. HalfShadow 22:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. JForget 01:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
The Homing Beacon/The Landing Beacon
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A non-charting song isn't notable. ArglebargleIV (talk) 04:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Comment. A non-charting song can be notable, provided it satisfies WP:NSONGS, which states that a song must first meet WP:N. I'll let others help in determining whether the following (there may well be more, but these are the best I could find) constitutes "significant coverage": . Gongshow 19:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Big thanks to J04n for adding the sources into the article. Gongshow 07:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
well,
Atleast even if the artical doesn't meet the standards (which it does), we could atleast merge it according to WP:NSONGS. MarthsBullet (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
and here's some more "coverage" MarthsBullet (talk) 03:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. The independant, third party, reliable sources found by Gongshow have been incorporated into the article, meets WP:GNG. J04n(talk page) 23:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Taking off "youtube as source" I put it on originally, but wiki can't use youtube as a source... All we need to replace it is something that says the song was uploaded on 7/6/09... I'll look for something 63.198.113.60 (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jayjg 01:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Tōru Sakai
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{{{text}}} andyzweb (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete (though this nomination needs a rationale). I have looked and can find no coverage of the article's subject in reliable sources (the GNews matches for his name all seem to refer to a synonymous criminal or other unrelated people). This might be him, but is too brief a passing reference to constitute significant coverage per the WP:BIO guidelines. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. There is more at zh:酒井亨, but the references don't seem to meet our usual expectations. -- zzuuzz 17:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment, there are more news sources under "酒井亨", in sources such as Liberty Times and 南方快報(southnews.com.tw) which is listed on Chinese list of sources of news. It looks like the article can be sourced to these news articles, but someone fluent with Japanese should do that in order to avoid mistakes. ja:ノート:酒井亨 is worth reading, and this article has been up for deletion twice on Japanese Misplaced Pages: ja:Misplaced Pages:削除依頼/酒井亨 and ja:Misplaced Pages:削除依頼/酒井亨20070807. The ko, zh and en versions were created by Sawahikoen (talk · contribs), who may also be ja:User:Sawahiko, who was indefinitely blocked after ja:Misplaced Pages:投稿ブロック依頼/Sawahiko. user:T.Saito may be the subject. John Vandenberg 03:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Naruto headband color
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Seems like a person essay about a popular TV show. Not a plausible search term. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 04:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete This should have been speedied or prodded right away. If there are any sources to verify this, then it should be merged, but the nom is correct, as it isn't something one would really search for. fetchcomms☛ 04:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete Should have been speedy deleted. Not notable, not verifiable & open to OR. --KrebMarkt 14:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I don't think headband color is ever mentioned in the Naruto manga or anime. It certainly isn't a notable topic even within the Naruto manga/anime, let alone in the real world. Furthermore, from what I have read and watched of Naruto, I don't think the characters even do have different colored headbands like this article suggests. Regardless, this is entirely original research on a non-notable topic. Calathan (talk) 14:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- The colors do very from character to character, but the "bandanna" (for lack of a better term) tends to go with the character's outfits. It other words, it's part of the character designs and has no other significances beyond that. —Farix (t | c) 00:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, probable original research, no sources. JIP | Talk 14:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:OR. Joe Chill (talk) 16:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: WP:OR, no references. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Question: Which speedy deletion criteria could this fall under? TheWeakWilled (T * G) 18:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I personally don't think it falls under any speedy deletion criteria. It certainly isn't in one of the categories covered by A7. Calathan (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- It's not outright nonsense or vandalism -- it's just not good content. As such, it's not suitable for speedy deletion (except as part of snowfall). —Quasirandom (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. To nominator, this is an obvious candidate for PROD rather than a full AFD. --Gwern (contribs) 19:46 19 December 2009 (GMT)
- Delete as described above. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete I could make very little sense of the article, but I don't it barely scrape by speedy deletion for patent nonsense. Maybe no context would be a better criteria, but that may be stretching that criteria as well. But ether way, this isn't an article, it's just random babble. —Farix (t | c) 00:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Naruto is a well known anime but that does not mean wiki needs every little thing about it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Unsourced original research. Edward321 (talk) 19:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Why hasn't this been snow closed yet? Niteshift36 (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Promethus
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No indication that this game is notable. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 04:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I like when the #1 Google hit on "Promethus" PSP is "Promethus: Worst game ever candidate?" That said, I don't see much to indicate that this is notable other than some chatter on video game forums. Nothing in what I would consider a reliable source. --Glenfarclas (talk) 07:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this video game. Joe Chill (talk) 18:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete will be notable if and when it gets released as an actual disc, but at the moment it's just an in-progress demo... and given that it's about as popular as brussels sprouts in vomit sauce, that might be as far as it gets. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. –Juliancolton | 00:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Reform Party of New Jersey
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Non-notable local branch of a minor party Orange Mike | Talk 04:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- KeepIt is notable for several reasons, including DiNizio's Senate bid and Goodman's attempt to draft Perot to counteract Buchanan. greenguy89 | Talk 010:10, 19 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.143.87 (talk)
- Keep. Statewide is not local, and worth listing on the basis of having been notable in the 1995-1998 period. See the Google News archive hits for this organization here -- Eastmain (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep The nominator is incorrect; this is a statewide branch, not a local branch. It appears to have received significant press coverage as well. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy/Snow Keep. Per all the above.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to Reform Party of the United States of America. This has been done with state chapters of other parties when there simply isn't enough for a stand alone article. Really, not much in this article. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. –MuZemike 06:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Reform Party of California
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Non-notable local branch of minor party; no evidence of notability or even continued operation, nor of prior significance. Orange Mike | Talk 04:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete for the above reasons. Eeekster (talk) 04:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per above.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 04:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Statewide is not local, and worth listing on the basis of having been notable in the 1995-1998 period. Once notable, always notable. See the Google News archive hits for this organization here -- Eastmain (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per Eastmain.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- And per this result.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Reform Party of the United States of America. This has been done with state chapters of other parties when there simply isn't enough for a stand alone article. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- Can you explain what a merge would entail here? There is currently no treatment of state parties as organizational units on Reform Party of the United States of America, so I have trouble seeing how you envision a merge would be executed. If it means adding a section for California, Michigan, etc., then we might as well keep this as a stand-alone article. Avram (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- I only suggested merge on one of them. The others a straight redirect. 2 of the three have really done very little in their history. I'd be more inclined to simply do a single section about state chapter activities and put them in there. Frankly, most of the chapters have done little of signifigance. The article on the Texas one was just redirected. I'm going with redirect simply to save as a possible search term. Otherwise, I'd choose delete.Niteshift36 (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds workable. Most of the information in this article is incidentally related to the California party and could be merged safely.Avram (talk) 00:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Can you explain what a merge would entail here? There is currently no treatment of state parties as organizational units on Reform Party of the United States of America, so I have trouble seeing how you envision a merge would be executed. If it means adding a section for California, Michigan, etc., then we might as well keep this as a stand-alone article. Avram (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Merge with Reform Party of the United States of America per the above. Avram (talk) 00:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep:
Why? I first found the Reform Party by following the nationally broadcast website link and communicated with the National Secretary from Connecticut. She eventually directed me to my local chapter here in San Diego where I was informed that the major part of the Reform movement began as UWSA (United We Stand America) here in San Diego. I went to the 1997 Convention and was hooked, later becoming the CA State Convention Secretary several times.
This entry is a historic reference to the Reform movement partly because the California Reform Party has always held the largest share of active members. Although the numbers have dwindled, the Party continues to this day. We had a State Conference just prior to Christmas 2009. -- Rob Spahitz, RPCA, San Diego. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rspahitz (talk • contribs) 05:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Great! Can you provide some reliable sources and add updated information on the role of this party and its history? The issue here is that editors have had trouble finding much verifiable, third-party evidence of the California party's importance. If there are other print or online sources to strengthen this article, please do add them. Avram (talk) 05:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Reform Party of the United States of America . JForget 01:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Reform Party of Texas
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Non-notable local minor party branch Orange Mike | Talk 04:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons stated above. Eeekster (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Statewide is not local, and worth listing on the basis of having been notable in the 1995-1998 period. -- Eastmain (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- See also these Google News hits for the Reform Party of Texas here. -- Eastmain (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per Eastmain.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- And per this result.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to Reform Party of the United States of America. This has been done with state chapters of other parties when there simply isn't enough for a stand alone article. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Redirect or merge to Reform Party of the United States of America per Niteshift36. Bearian (talk) 16:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Redirect per above. If you can find something more to say than "The Reform Party of Texas is the state affiliate of the Reform Party of the United States. David Collison, the party's secretary, is also the national chairman," ... you know, like, "Hey, we put a candidate on the ballot in Texas!"... call me. Mandsford (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect to Reform Party of the United States of America. Not independently notable, not even in the 1995-98 time range mentioned above. THF (talk) 01:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Radio Hibiki (webOS app)
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Fails WP:N. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this application. Joe Chill (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Strong delete - neither assertion nor evidence of notability --Orange Mike | Talk 04:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
The Timmy Foundation
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Fails WP:CORP. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. See this search at Google News archive. There are many articles about the foundation in reliable sources. – Eastmain (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep if rewritten. Currently reads like a vanity article about the founder, and none of the links work. But your Google search indicates that the foundation has some notability, at least locally in Indianapolis. --MelanieN (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
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- Keep Google searches indicates strong notabiity + seems to verify the information in the article. Lots of google hits + not just the same press release popping up on each site. Alter a few sentences on the founder and the article wil lose its hagiographic tone. tagging it for POV right now. Btw, this article still has the 'new article' tag on it- IMO it was bad faith to nominate this article before it had a chance to develop. --Brunk500 (talk) 11:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Shhh! (song)
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Delete. Fails WP:NSONGS. Non-notable singles, no assertion of notability, and not sourced. Attempted redirects reverted twice. Attempt to discuss ignored by creator of articles. Wolfer68 (talk) 03:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. Chelo61 (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NSONGS, no information to bring beyond permastub status.—Kww(talk) 15:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Concur with the deletion of the two new titles.—Kww(talk) 22:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. If all that can be said about it is that's a single from the album with the same name, then it fails WP:NSONG by a mile or so. Pcap ping 13:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- I take it you're also nominating Boom Boom (Kumbia Kings song), and Desde Que No Estás Aquí. Delete those as well for the exact same reason. Pcap ping 13:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete the triumvirate - If all they have is "<name of single> is a single from Kumbia Kings album Shhh!", then I think we can safely do without them. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 16:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. The best I could find is this Billboard article, which mentions the "Boom Boom" song a couple times but can't be considered "significant coverage". These don't appear to meet WP:NSONGS. Gongshow 19:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Wizardman 22:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
DJ Miko
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Appears to fail the notability guidelines for musicians. Google turns up nothing substantial to verify the claims made in the article. @Kate (parlez) 05:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete, without any online coverage and no solid evidence of offline coverage, a person can't be notable. Nyttend (talk) 18:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I'm not finding "in-depth" coverage, but here are sources to demonstrate his "What's Up" cover version charted in the UK, U.S., Sweden and New Zealand, which satisfies criterion 2 of WP:MUSICBIO. Gongshow 20:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Per criterion 2. --Epeefleche (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:MUSICBIO Polarpanda (talk) 07:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Gongshow. Joe Chill (talk) 16:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
VMLite XP Mode
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Probably should be speedied but I'd rather waste people's time here.
Was a copy paste job, that was removed and it was reduced to a one line stub. It's promotional and I see a lot of google hits with identical wording, which makes me suspicious. Shadowjams (talk) 08:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
first time to create an article on Misplaced Pages, didn't know so many restrictions, trying to edit it to meet the requirements —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huisinro (talk • contribs) 19:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, lack of reliable sources to establish notability per WP:GNG. Andrea105 (talk) 00:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Weak merge to Virtual Box. VMLite Workstation, which this a feature of, is a derivative of that project, but also not notable enough for a separate article for now. None of the VMLite products/features has much in the way of secondary sources. There are a few non-English gnews hist, but they appear marginal . Pcap ping 13:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 13:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Mikko Ijäs
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No assertion of notability per WP:Creative, mentions only "several collections" and "several private and group exhibits"; only an official web site is cited. Additionally, the subject is still a doctoral student...... Lithoderm 12:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment This merits further research. According to Artfacts.net she has work in "Jyväskylän Taidemuseo - Jyväskylä Art Museum, Jyväskylä Lönnström Art Museum, Rauma". These links are given in the Finnish article on her. I don't know how to evaluate them. Someone with knowledge of the Finnish art scene would be useful here. Being a doctoral student is not in itself any disqualification. Ty 01:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment I started a notability enquiry for the corresponding article in the Finnish Misplaced Pages. During that enquiry, we should get clarification for Ijäs's merits. I suggest putting this discussion on hold until the Finns have had a clarifying discussion in their Misplaced Pages. --MPorciusCato (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Ijäs' "The Vincent Van Gogh and Walt Disney Collection" exhibition in Germany in 2008 was organized by Finnish-German institute and was also noted on the website of the Finnish embassy in Germany. Not sure if that is enough to show notability though. MKFI (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Johnbod (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete Rauma is a town of 40,000 so I am not willing to presume their museum notable enough to make her work being there meet WP:CREATIVE. I'm not sure I'm prepared to recognize the exhibition as significant either, unless there is some secondary literature available on it. DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was merge to The Lab (novel). or somewhere else if that is considered better Spartaz 04:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Six of Hearts (character)
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Non-notable fictional character. Information better suited in individual book articles, or the (non-existent) article about the series. --SquidSK 13:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Published on a website? Abductive (reasoning) 13:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep: While the character may not yet be well know in the US the character is well know in Australia and New Zealand and with the release of the second book of the series in Jan 2010 the character will most likely become more recognized. The article has been linked to the pages Jack Heath (writer) and The Lab (novel) (the first book of the series currently available in the US) which each have their own article. I don't think this article should be deleted as the article is not orphaned and is linked to two other relevant articles however prehaps this article could be merged to Jack Heath (writer) or The Lab (novel). If this is best please let me know how to merge it over. Thanks! --Kayley6 (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Only the short story was published on the website. The series has been published by Pan Macmillan in Australia and New Zealand and by Scholastic in the US. I have re-written this part of the article to avoid misunderstanding.--Kayley6 (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Delete/MergeThe character has no general notability outside of the series. I could support an independent article if examples could be found of influences outside of the books, e.g. notable musical references (songs/bands/etc/.), secondary uses of the character (comic booksgraphic novels, computer games), any sort of notable pop cultural reference. The article is well written and should easily be able to be absorbed into an article on the series (if that is determined notable) or an individual book.Vulture19 (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —LadyofShalott 18:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
*Keep/Merge: I guess this article would be best merged to The Lab (novel) the first book of the series which this character is from.--Kayley6 (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Duplicate !vote. Pcap ping 13:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. No notability outside the novel. I would have said merge to The Lab (novel), but that article also fails to indicate notability by any WP:SECONDARY source. Merging would just make that WP:PLOT-only article a longer plot-only article. Pcap ping 13:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, Retitle, and use as a base for an article on the series. I agree there is not sufficient notability as distinct from the books to make a separate article justified, but we can probably take the occasion to expand the coverage beyond the single article on the author (& incorporated within it the contents of the article for the first of the series The Lab). DGG ( talk ) 01:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, Retitle, and use as a base for an article on the series. I agree with the above post. --Kayley6 (talk) 07:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Triplicate !vote. Pcap ping 16:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've struck the article's author's first two !votes, leaving only her most recent. --SquidSK 17:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Triplicate !vote. Pcap ping 16:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge to The Lab (novel). Primary author seems to have indicated understanding (and, if not necessarily agreement with, acceptance) of AfD discussion and seems to be willing to merge this article to The Lab. Such a merge would undoubtedly make The Lab a better article. Vulture19 (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 22:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
DNA Phantom effect
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This seems to be describing a fringe theory, though it's one that's difficult to evaluate as it's so obscure. The only references are to a twenty year old mention in a Russian, the title of which suggests even the writers then had doubts about it, and a similarly ancient paper that seems unrelated. The other link is to a commercial site which is up to date but seems just to be pushing this fringe theory. The link is to a Google translate of a Russian page, but there's an English page here. Science, especially life science, is a very active field so I would expect there to be more recent research and so references. As it is it looks like an obscure fringe theory with few supporters. JohnBlackburne (talk) 14:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete This appears to be a fringe theory (WP:FRINGE). As such Misplaced Pages cannot allow undue weight to a fringe opinion. Coverage on Misplaced Pages should not make a fringe theory appear more notable than it actually is. Although there are hits on Google Scholar, this theory seems to be related to other fringe theories such as "Wave genetics". These type of theories tend to mix up or mesh peer reviewed science with belief systems. This is what I see with the "Phantom DNA effect". Specifically I am uncomfortable with the nebulous concept "subtle energy phenomena" and "subtle energy fields that couple with the EM field". This appears to be an unidentified subtle energy field. In the 2003 version, this seems central to this theory, as mentioned in the PDF document here. At least three of the cited sources appear to be not in the science arena: references # 3, 4, and 8 - and I have to wonder about reference #1. Also a google search and a google image search shows me that this theory appears to lack notability. Steve Quinn (formerly Ti-30X) (talk) 00:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete as a non-notable fringe theory. The refs given don't support the claims of the article. Even fringe theories need to be verifiable to be included. Bfigura 04:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah(film)
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No evidence found the project has commenced filming (see Misplaced Pages:Notability (films)); Keshia Chante's manager denies her involvement in any such project. Good faith search for sources comes up with nothing more than rumors and wishful thinking. Prod contested by IP editor without comment. Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:NFF. Lugnuts (talk) 09:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete Per WP:NFF. Warrah (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. no discussion during the two week-period. No prejudice for a new AFD in the future. JForget 01:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Cevanne Horrocks-Hopayian
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A news search turned up relatively little: a CD review and performance review. I'm just not seeing enough to meet WP:BIO standards. While this isn't a sound deletion argument, I strongly suspect this is an autobio and that may speak to why it was created. The awards may indicate notability, I don't know, but it meant that a PROD didn't seem appropriate to me. Pigman☿/talk 19:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 13:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
UNO Club Sports
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Subject of article is not notable. Article is about club sports at a university. Most universities in the United States have club sports and UNO's club sports are not more notable than any of the other universities' club sports. — X96lee15 (talk) 20:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete usually something like this might be an okay merge with the school's article, but this article is mostly empty and what's there is sourced to its own website. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Alpha Chronicles
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Appears impossible to improve to satisfy the WP:GNG Polarpanda (talk) 20:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this game. Joe Chill (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - non-notable new RPG system. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No apparent arguments for deletion have been raised in two weeks of discussion, so closing as retained. –Juliancolton | 00:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Chu Guiting
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Just based on article alone, there seems to be insufficient notability (and the article was written like a "memorial page"); delete. --Nlu (talk) 21:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. A basic English google search brings up a lot of hits that suggest it would be overly zealous to delete this article based on its unsourced content alone. And that's after a search in English. I suspect there'd be a lot more material in Chinese. The article needs references though and a re-write for POV reasons. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep The article certainly needs sourcing and a rewrite, but I've been able to find a number of Chinese martial artists who trace their training back to him. While not a guarantee of notability, it's a good start. I also found him mentioned as an excellent fighter in a December 2004 article in Inside Kung Fu magazine. FYI, I also saw his name written as Chu Gui Ting. Like Mkativerata, I would expect there to be a lot more info on him in Chinese language sources. Papaursa (talk) 02:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No apparent arguments for deletion have been raised in two weeks of discussion, so closing as retained. –Juliancolton | 00:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Live at Gibson Amphitheatre: August 15th, 2007
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This is not a major album release, it is released on I-Tunes only. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep That has no bearing of whether it should be deleted or not. It's also her first live album. Haseo9999 (talk) 00:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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Why is this being considered for deletion when many other exclusive iTunes albums/EPs aren't? For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/Live_from_SoHo_%28Maroon_5%29.
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- Keep: the way the albums are released doesnt matter. This is her first live album, its part of her discography, so it has to stay. NO matter if it doesnt have a major release, its important to her music career Fortunato luigi (talk) 02:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No consensus for deletion JForget 04:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Comp (rapper)
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Non-notable MC Orange Mike | Talk 03:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Keep'Weak keep. I found his 2004 writeup in the Baltimore City Paper (a free alternative weekly) here and his 2006 "trading card" here (it's the fifth one down). The card notes, "Comp was signed to Def Jam for three years and had little to show for it other than an appearance on a Ghostface cut and a few soundtracks before parting ways with the company last year." Looking at WP:MUSICBIO, I'm not sure he satisfies criterion no. 1 (which he has the best shot at), having "been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable." On the other hand, there's no denying that he was a character in Def Jam: Fight for NY (see his writeup here at the IGN Entertainment website). That might be enough for notability in itself -- I'm not sure which the relevant standard would be, but I observe if Comp were deleted then he would be the only rapper in Fight for NY without an article. So adding that to his newspaper coverage I think this guy is notable. FWIW, I started writing this response with Weak delete, changed it to Weak keep as I kept looking, and have finally had to admit I think he's a Keep. --Glenfarclas (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC). Update, no, I've thought further and decided that those thinks amount to a weak keep recommendation, for whatever that's worth. - Keep. Per the above.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)'
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- Weak delete. I'm inclined towards deleting here unless further coverage can be found. The coverage above comes from a single source which is local to the subject in question. Most local papers write short pieces about a lot of local bands and musicians at some point, without those artists coming to wider notice, and I don't think the coverage here is sufficient on its own. --Michig (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Weak keep here. The local stuff plus the IGN stuff makes him notable more or less, as per WP:NOTE and WP:MUSICBIO. Gosox5555 (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 13:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The Sand Canyon Review (Magazine)
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- Delete. Non-notable student magazine. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note. Notable College Magazine. -- The page in question has been nominated for deletion; though it should be made mention that other student/campus produced magazines have wiki pages as well - The Pacific Review, to make mention of one such magazine. Pacific Review Pacific Review It also should be noted that The Sand Canyon Review has hosted work by several artists of the written word and as well as those in the visual arena. If any changes are need to keep this wiki page going, they will be made. Please understand that during the creation of this page, it was made with the best intend to showcase one of the programs from this college campus. Craftonstudent (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)CraftonStudent
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- Delete not notable at all, extremely unlikely any reliable sources exist. Rather telling that there's not a single Google News hit, even in the archives. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Starblind DRosin (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Spartaz 04:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Love Story (Katharine McPhee song)
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The song fails WP:NSONGS, it failed to chart and is unlikely to grow beyond a stub Aspects (talk) 23:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not sure. It was officially the second single. It was played on the radio and charted in the 60s on Mediabase's Pop chart and a video was made that was played on TRL and MTV Asia. Plus, it sold over 77,000 downloads. I wouldn't say it had high notability, but it seems notable enough as an official single to have its own article as part of information about its album. I'd like to hear other opinions before I decide what to vote. Ducold (talk) 04:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Here is a Billboard review of the song . Gongshow 00:34, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - Since Gongshow already found at least one reliable source from which the article can be expanded, I see no reason to believe that the article is unlikely to grow beyond a stub. Rlendog (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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Delete: One source is not enough. Joe Chill (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)- Changed to Keep: Per Gongshow. Joe Chill (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Here are two more sources for consideration. Gongshow 19:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Cirt (talk) 13:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Kenji Yamamoto (Composer/arranger)
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Not notable. Fails WP:COMPOSER. All sources listed in article are WP:SELFPUB. SnottyWong talk 02:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- How is it decided whether or not a song is notable? I assumed since Kenji Yamamoto has composed or arranged such a large number of songs (most of which I haven't gotten around to translating from the Japanese Misplaced Pages page), he would be considered notable enough. I mean, Kenji Yamamoto (the Nintendo composer) has only 17 works on his page, while this Kenji Yamamoto can have about seven times that (if I add the rest of his work). Also, what does "Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves" mean? Linkdude20002001 (talk) 04:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep While there might well be an issue of needing to cite better sources, we have a process of tagging articles for improvement rather than deleting them on sight. There is nothing to suggest that this person isn't notable, or that notability couldn't be demonstrated. These concerns are a prime case of content that can be fixed by editing, not requiring deletion. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- Andy and Linkdude: Misplaced Pages is very clear about its criteria for notability of composers. If you can provide reliable, verifiable, independent sources about Kenji Yamamoto which prove that he has accomplished one of the six bullet points listed in WP:COMPOSER, then I will gladly withdraw my nomination for deletion. SnottyWong talk 11:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- From WP:ATD, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion."
- Yet again, you're too quick to call for deletion and fail to appreciate the possibility of any other actions to remedy the problem. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- Andy, your logic is horrifyingly misguided, and it's clear to me (from this AfD and others we've both been involved in) that you're an inclusionist who will stop at nothing to halt the deletion of any article. The only remedy to this article's problems are secondary sources which establish notability. I haven't nominated this article for deletion because of the grammar of the article or any other problem that could be solved through regular editing, I nominated it because I believe the subject of the article does not pass Misplaced Pages's notability policies. Understand now? SnottyWong talk 13:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Nidaros Dragons
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This is just the most obvious example (since it's just a youth team) of a hole bunch of articles on American football clubs in Norway that indicate no notability whatsoever. There are also some articles on players of dubious notability. The article on Eigil Norén, for example, doesn't tell you anything about its subject and would in my eyes be a clear candidate for speedy deletion if it hadn't already existed for years without bothering anyone. Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment I'm not sure if you are nominating Eigil Norén for deletion, but it would not be a speedy deletion candidate, as it at least makes a claim of notability. Grsz 20:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. All I found about them was a YouTube video and an aside in one Norwegian local news article. Fences&Windows 03:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was speedily deleted as a copyright violation
SAMUEL BURR SIFERS
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Concerns of notability. Google search. Airplaneman 02:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- It's a copyvio. Found it on a newspaper's obituary site. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 03:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg 01:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Pathology
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No third-party sources to confirm notability of a new journal published by a nonnotable e-publisher. - Altenmann >t 23:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete as original prodder. No sign of any Misplaced Pages:Notability, academic impact or any encyclopedic interest. Created by a SPA. Abductive (reasoning) 00:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep PubMed, the definitive journal search engine for medical articles, run by the NIH , takes this new journal seriously enough to catalog its articles using the abbreviation Int J Clin Exp Pathol. To me that indicates that it has been accepted as a legitimate medical journal. --MelanieN (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
- "I'm from the government, and I'm here to improve the encyclopedia?" Misplaced Pages doesn't go by legitimacy, it goes by WP:Notability. Abductive (reasoning) 04:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak delete. It's a very new journal, and I think the most reasonable conclusion is to say not yet notable, and perhaps merge to the publisher, as there is not yet any record for how much its articles get citied--which is the key way a journal gets to be notable. I 'm quite inclusive on journals, but I think Pub Med is a little more inclusive than we should be. I'd wait until it's in at least Scopus or WoS, which do reflect the expected citations. . DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Reasons: 1. The journal's editorial board shows that this journal was originally founded with 32 great pathologists (including 20 Chairmen from the Department of Pathology of major universities across the world) (please refer to journal's editorial board webpage and go to "Founding Editorial Board" from there for reference) in an effort to promote Open Access to Science. 2. Editor-in-Chief is an internationally highly recognized pathologist with more than 500 published papers in PubMed and one of the Highly-Cited investigator in SCI. Although this journal was officially launched in the beginning of 2008, it is already officially indexed in PubMed (2008), Scopus (2009) and fully archived in PubMed Central. Based on the available data from Google Scholar, papers published in journal have already been widely cited (please search google scholar fro reference). OpenAccessforScience (talk) 10:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
KeepI agree with DGG. As it seems that the journal additionally is now also included in Scopus, I think it is notable enough. --Crusio (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Change to Weak delete, as Scopus recently seems to have become less selective. That university libraries have it in their "digital libraries" doesn't say much, since that doesn't cost them anything... --Crusio (talk) 19:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Except it has no sources, and nothing encyclopedic can be said about it. Abductive (reasoning) 13:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. Scopus inclusion satisfies notability per Misplaced Pages:Notability (academic journals).Novangelis (talk) 05:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Notability (academic journals) did not achieve consensus. It is a failed guideline. Abductive (reasoning) 07:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- for many topics, such as schools & shopping centers, the formal guidelines did not achieve consensus, but in practice they are followed at AfD, in both delete and keep directions. That's because of a feature (or perhaps a defect) of our decision making process--that a clear supermajority is required for a guideline, and consequently a relatively few objectors can prevent one, but since AfDs have to be decided, plain consensus is sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 19:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Incubate This seems an excellent case for it. The journal quite probably will be notable, but isn't yet IMHO. NBeale (talk) 17:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - A number of universities have decided to keep a copy of this publication in their digital libraries. Mkdw 18:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was merge to National Management College. (non-admin closure) Timotheus Canens (talk) 02:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
National Institute of Public Administration (Pakistan)
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Fails WP:N. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:49, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. University-level institutions are generally notable. – Eastmain (talk) 03:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Redirect to National Management College, as this seems to have been subsumed in there. "Generally notable" is not a valid argument, sources are still a requirement for notability, and I can't find any for this institution as a separate entity. Seraphimblade 06:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Institutions of higher education are inherently notable. --BaronLarf 07:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Merge/redirect to National Management College. The National Management College is undoubtedly notable as an important government training organisation. The National Institute of Public Administration is also probably independently notable but I see no reason to splinter the limited information we have. TerriersFan (talk) 15:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Merge to National Management College, as the actual Institute has been merged there. Abductive (reasoning) 04:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. Jayjg 01:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Council of Emergency Medicine Residency Directors
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Blatant advertising. OutlawSpark (talk) 23:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Nominator is a blocked sockpuppet. Fences&Windows 02:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Internationally useful, supportive non-profit organization. Keep: primary author--EMedMD 00:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emedmd (talk • contribs) — Emedmd (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Weak Keep I'm not sure about notability, but I do think the promotional tone could be removed.RadManCF (talk) 00:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence of notability, no refs except their own website. Other comparable organizations, such as the Association of Family Medicine Residency Directors, do not have a Misplaced Pages page. ==MelanieN (talk) 03:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
- Keep This group is non-profit, educates and is accessed by many medical students. Individual residency programs already have wiki pages. (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/UCLA/VA_Multicampus_PM&R_Residency_Program) Informational, not advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srudkin (talk • contribs) 16:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC) — Srudkin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- "'Keep'" This group is a non profit that provides guidance to both medical students, residents, and junior faculty. Most importantly, CORD is the non-profit body of EM residency directors, it is not trying to recruit members because most if not all residency programs are members of the organization. Instead, it is important that wikipedia is used to disseminate this information because all interested candidates in emergency medicine should have EM trained physicians use the CORD letter of recommendation when applying for residency training. Most allopathic medical students know this, but many osteopathic and international medicine graduates do not realize this. -- pinbor1 — Pinbor1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - If you review the article history, you will see that not only is it promotional in nature, but has in fact been copied directly from the organisation's web site. I can find no reliable sources writing about the organisation and as such, it fails to meet notability criteria. -- Whpq (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy keep – nomination by sock of de facto banned user Pickbothmanlol. MuZemike 04:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I don't understand the rationale for the "keep" votes above. We judge articles by Wikepedia standards, not by whether we admire the subject. The article does not even assert notability, much less demonstrate it. The only reference is the organization's own website. And the identity of the nominator should be irrelevant; judge the article on its merits (or lack of same). This one could almost qualify for speedy delete under A7, "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant."--MelanieN (talk) 15:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
- Point of Clarification Can I ask why the AARP is considered a notable organization but CORD would not be considered one? Is it just a matter of getting additional citations. Is it just a matter of beefing up the subject matter? i.e. if there was citation of Emergency Medicine regarding CORD would that make it notable. For example the various EM organizations cite CORD, and CORD is an organizational body that puts out consensus statements regarding the education of emergency medicine residents. just looking for clarification---pinbor1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinbor1 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC) — Pinbor1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- "Can I ask why the AARP is considered a notable organization but CORD would not be considered one?" Are you serious? AARP has 40 million members and is considered the second largest organization in the United States, surpassed only by the Roman Catholic Church. In contrast, how many directors of Emergency Medicine residencies are there? in the country A few dozen? Maybe as many as a hundred? A Google search for AAPR returns 6 million hits, including 3700 from Google News. A Google search for the Council of Emergency Medicine Residency Directors includes 6400 hits, including NONE from Google News. Try not to reduce your arguments to absurdity.-MelanieN (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)MelanieN
- Pinbor1, this discussion really is all about the reliable sources. Misplaced Pages only writes about organizations that have been "noticed" in the media. If you can provide a list of (for example) newspaper and magazine articles about the organization, then that would be extremely helpful in determining notability. A feature-length article entirely about the organization is obviously much, much more valuable than a single sentence that names the organization in passing, but if you can tell us whatever you know, we can see whether it adds up to enough. The actual standards are at WP:ORG. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep article is a reasonably good stub at the moment. Notability concerns don't seem compelling to me. Jclemens (talk) 04:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, there is plenty of evidence, as can be seen in the Google Books results, that this organization is notable, and even has a small scandal in its history. Promotional language seems to be gone. Those editors who feel that the article is too short or doesn't tell the whole story, please add information to the article. I'll watchlist it to make sure none of the negative sourced information is removed. Abductive (reasoning) 04:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Google search reveals lots of hits with respect to this organization. Current version is likely salvagable and does not have a spam feel to it. Passes WP:NOTABILITY RP459 (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Speedily deleted as vandalism -SpacemanSpiff 04:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Josh Iannarelli
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I just needed a screen capture image for my friend. You can delete this now. KMFDM FAN 02:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete — æk 03:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy deletion. - Vianello (Talk) 04:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Mark Hanson (footballer)
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Apparent hoax Grahame (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete Fake entry. Not the first time either. Digestible (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy delete page tagged. — æk 03:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Sheikh Abu Adnan (Mohamad Kammoun)
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does not seem to meet WP:Notability or WP:BIO standards, no inline citations but this person, as per the article, does not seem to have made significant advances in their field and does not seem to fall inline with any of the issues in WP Notability for an academic.
- The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.
- The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
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- The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
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- The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
- The person is or has been an editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area. Teamtheo (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Strong delete no notability whatsoever. DRosin (talk) 21:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Pulse Community Radio
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Previously nominated for speedy. Limited claim for notability and no reliable sources can be found. The website linked when the article was originally a few weeks ago seems to have disappeared. — Rod 12:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- DELETE - original article was copyvio cut-n-paste of station's website. Was stubbed to remove copyvio and little has been done to the article since. I cannot find any reliable references for the site - neither on the Internet, nor in any local media (I live in the station's target area and have never heard of it). Given the COI that exists with the article's creation, I support nomination for deletion as non-notable. --Simple Bob (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete no reliable sources. There seems to be at least two other stations calling themselves "Pulse Community Radio", and while the other two (one in Australia) are at least theoretically more notable than this one, I'm not seeing any reliable sources for any of them. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Married to the Sea. Tone 16:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Drew (artist)
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After reviewing sources, I do not feel this article meets WP:WEB or WP:BIO criteria for inclusion. Although the article has been here for over two years, I do not see the evident notability. Refs are either not independent of the subject matter, or blogs, which are not reliable sources. Fbifriday (talk) 04:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge I would've said keep, due to the association with Slate, if I didn't see articles for Married to the Sea and Toothpaste for Dinner, the first of which is basically a bio of his wife. I'd suggest that we merge these all into one Toothpaste for Dinner article, since 99% of the Drew article's quality content is about this single topic. I'd like to see most of the personal stuff stripped out if it can't be properly referenced.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 08:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Also, it seems that his wife might have more exposure than him. Although the references in the sources on Married to the Sea are all stretches, they are from legit sources. Mostly mentions in lists, not actual articles. Maybe a joint article for Drew / Natalie? Ideas? --Torchwood Who? (talk) 08:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Merge as suggested above, failing that, just delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge this and Toothpaste for Dinner into Married to the Sea. I'll probably merge Kompressor (musician) in there too. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 15:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Mohammad Karamudini
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Grandiose claims in this article on an Iranian academic cannot be verified. I searched by his name in Farsi and still found nothing. Bringing to AfD in case I have overlooked something. Abductive (reasoning) 13:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Lots of academics are translators and publish papers; glancing around on this article, I noticed evidence of having research cited in other works, or other accomplishments that meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics). Also, is there a Misplaced Pages guideline about English-language notability as opposed notability only in a specific other language? I seem to recall one, but I can't find it. --Closeapple (talk) 02:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Regarding non-English notability, I'm not sure. WP:NONENG and WP:WORLDVIEW are relevant but don't seem to explicitly address this. WP:ANYBIO and satisfying regular article requirements would seem to permit it; it seems to me it's analogous to someone who has English-language notability within their field, but not outside it. Шизомби (talk) 04:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- It seems possible he's notable and verifiable, but I don't know. Is there a good way to solicit help from Farsi speakers ? Шизомби (talk) 04:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Searching by Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL is what I did. You'll note the lack of sourcing extends into Farsi. He really should be evaluated as a translator, I am not even sure he holds a professorship. Abductive (reasoning) 04:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. I can't verify much of this biog, and can't see undeniable notability. Even when I find a book, like this isbn.ir record which matches the book on his homepage, he isnt mentioned in the credits, and there is no worldcat record.
He might be able to satisfy these criteria of WP:ACADEMIC:
"The person is or has been an editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area.", or
"the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks (or as a basis for a course) at multiple institutions of higher education."
But I can't see evidence that these textbooks or Roshd Biological Education are notable. John Vandenberg 12:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Vivita
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Not notable, no reliable sources. Hairhorn (talk) 23:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - no coverage in reliable sources to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 14:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete: no reliable source provided. South Bay (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions," per WP:ENT. She's in the "rest of cast listed alphabetically" for Awakening, which means Man with M16 and Zombie #37 were billed ahead of her; and for all her involvement in Frankenpimp it doesn't seem to be a notable film, IMDb shows it was filmed for $30,000 (Canadian, no less), and I can't find significant coverage of it. --Glenfarclas (talk) 08:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Project Galactic Guide
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I can't find significant coverage for this website. Joe Chill (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Weak keep I found a ref from 2000 on the BBC about this website. It also received a very large 141k Google hits.--TParis00ap (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits don't show notability. Joe Chill (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- I know, I am just saying that it isn't just a made up website someone added to advertise.--TParis00ap (talk) 22:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Google hits don't show notability. Joe Chill (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:WEB. SnottyWong talk 12:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - WP:N, WP:WEB. Couldn't find any sources other than the above-referenced BBC page. — æk 03:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. On the plus side, I was able to use Google Scholar to find a research paper that describes the site, although there is no indication of where (or if) the paper might have been published. On the minus side, the "BBC" reference that TParis00ap found is actually a wiki page, not a report from BBC news, and therefore doesn't count as a reliable source. So with only one maybe-reliable source discovered after three relists, I think it is safe to say that there is not enough WP:RS coverage of this site to demonstrate notability. --RL0919 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't pass WP:WEB. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Loew's Cemetery
The result was Keep - Arguments for retaining the article have adequately addressed the notability issue. A merge discussion for the two related articles can proceed on the article talk page. — CactusWriter | 11:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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Subject seems to lack notability. Sources to not mention any notability about cemetary, and nowhere could the name "Loew's Cemetery" be found in any sources. –Dream out loud (talk) 02:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, its not the name that is important, it is the concept. Name changes are discussed on the article talk page. The references already listed show notability. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, no less notable, and just as bizarrely noteworthy, as many, many other pages of its ilk. Suggest that the article needs to be expanded with much more info re: the headstone in the parking lot. Seduisant (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep I hadn't seen the article since I edited it almost four years ago, and it's just as notable. The reliable and verifiable sources covering the cemetery, especially the article in The New York Times, establish notability for the site and the article. Alansohn (talk) 22:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete There is no inherent notability for cemeteries, and WP:N does not appear to be satisfied for this one. The "Other stuff exists" argument is unconvincing. Misplaced Pages is not a mirror of the NY Times. Edison (talk) 04:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times, is not the sole reference, but you already know that. Misplaced Pages says: "if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. This plot has no notability to justify an article. Apparently the author thinks that anything mentioned in a newspaper deserves its own wikipedia article. Torkmann (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times, is not the sole reference, but you would already know that if you read the article instead of just looking at what the previous person wrote and commenting based on that. Misplaced Pages says: "if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please read or re-read WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Edison (talk) 05:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please don't hand me the bible and say "all the answers are in here, just read it". Cite a chapter and a verse if you have something useful to say. I am not assuming bad faith when I am confronted by bad mathematics, and I correct the person citing the bad mathematics. We are adults here, I can tell someone that 2+2 is not equal to 1, when they try to tell me it is. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times, is not the sole reference, but you would already know that if you read the article instead of just looking at what the previous person wrote and commenting based on that. Misplaced Pages says: "if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. Sourced well, includes photo, comprehensive enough. Only complaint is that there's no link back to this cemetery from the Mary Ellis (spinster) page, which seems to be a duplicate of this page for the most part. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 04:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep due to improvements since nomination. Good job! Sincerely, --A Nobody 03:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep, Merge to Mary Ellis (spinster), the lady in the grave has sources too, see , . Her grave is sourced to a book and the NYT, and less reliably, the "Weird NJ" and "Roadside America" books/websites. This is similar to the Couch tomb in Chicago's Lincoln Park or this case in South Carolina I found while looking for sources, and doubtless attracts Misplaced Pages users wondering why this gravesite is in a movie theater's parking lot. Abductive (reasoning) 04:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)- Delete. A collection of irrelevant non-notable halfwits from eleventy-seven years ago does not an encyclopedia article justify, whether or not they are interned in your local movie theatre car park. Just because this was mentioned in the newspaper does not make it memorable or significant. Lots of things are mentioned in the paper. Misplaced Pages should not resemble the New York Times on a "slow news day." Gerbelzodude99 (talk) 04:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times, is not the sole reference, but you would already know that if you read the article instead of just looking at what the previous two people wrote and commenting based on that. Misplaced Pages says: "if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I did read the article. Please keep your comments civil. I believe you had been admonished for your tone earlier in this discussion. Please sign your posts as well. Thank you. Gerbelzodude99 (talk) 06:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I am always civil. But if your math doesn't add up, I will point it out to you. Math is not subjective, anyone who actually read the article can count the number of references. Someone not reading the article and repeating the error that the first person wrote: that the New York Times is the sole reference in the article, should be admonished for repeating that error. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- For other disruptive nominations of my articles by Gerbelzodude99 see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sir Charles Johnston and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Loew's Cemetery and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Eversharp. I think he is lashing out because I caught him commenting at an AFD without actually looking at the article. If he had read the article, at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Loew's Cemetery he would noticed that the New York Times was not the sole reference in the article, instead he repeated the error of the previous voters stating that it was. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The only "lashing out" I'm doing is lashing out to strike down articles of dubious value and notability. Merry Christmas. Gerbelzodude99 (talk) 07:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Evidently notable - the coverage in Old burial grounds of New Jersey is fine. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
The Mathematicians
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This band does not clearly meet the general notability guideline. Most of the references are self-published, and the article appears to be a WP:COI creation. There are some local news sources. The only thing suggesting wider notability is a story in the San Francisco Chronicle. Such coverage is sparse, so I'm leaning to weak delete. ~YellowFives 15:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Does the exact same article being published in the Times Union add any to the notability, I wonder? Olaf Davis (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment : I am a fan of this band and have been watching this page. I am in favor of a weak keep, however, I am somewhat biased on the matter. I do feel there could be an article, as there are several small news sources which have covered this band. CD sales are relatively low, around ~5000. They are primarily a touring band. They used to have their own website at themathematicians.net, however is seems to be gone now. Danski14 20:27, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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- CommentThe Mathematicians website still exists at themathematicians.com though it was down for about a month.--Mofyoakley (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. I believe the band fail WP:MUSIC. Fol de rol troll (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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- this band is LEGIT!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.128.174.248 (talk) 18:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was Nomination withdrawn per snowball keep. Non-admin closing. -- Blanchardb -- timed 02:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
EFi-X
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Contested prod. Computer hardware with no assertion of notability. Delete. Blanchardb -- timed 23:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Author of the page has went and removed a speedy tag and an AfD tag from this article, as well as another article. This hardware is non-notable, and has no WP:RS to support such notability. Paranormal Skeptic (talk) 00:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - This product gained wide attention in geek circle. the product has been reviewed by most publication of this area ( tomshardware, gizmodo, cnet ... ) article should be rewritten though. --Dwarfpower (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
- Can you show us specifics? -- Blanchardb -- timed 22:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Keep. A Google News search will show you the specifics. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. The many news stories about it show notability. --Itub (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per above two; it seems notable enough. Even if the sources are not that impressive, there a lot of them. VG ☎ 12:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. I see a few news articles on Google. Article needs to be expanded. Bill 14:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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The result was withdrawn by nom. wrong place. non admin closure TheWeakWilled (T * G) 01:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Zeenaz
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The Marathi word for "chicken" is hardly apt to be searched by someone who simply wants to read about chickens. — The Man in Question (in question) 01:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, just a minute, I meant to lsit this under redirects for discussion… — The Man in Question (in question) 01:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. In general it seems there's consensus to suggest the subject-matter is not notable enough. –Juliancolton | 14:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Bizon Computers
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There is no notability for this company. None whatsoever. Just because a company puts Mac OS X on regular computers does not make it notable. Cman (talk)
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- Delete. All the given sources seem to be about a different company. I was unable to find any significant coverage of Bizon Computers. Haakon (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete average company doing average things. a below-the radar system builder pre-loads OSX, yawn. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
- Merge as a short section in Macintosh clone. As far as I can tell, the sources are about "Russian Mac", which is the name Bizon uses for its range of computers. This is interesting because there are very few companies (three?) preinstalling OSX. That is the only reason why this company is notable. ComputScientist (talk) 09:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Not only is the company not notable but based on the outcome of the Apple vs Psystar case (Apple's protection methods are protected under the DMCA) it is questionable if their Mac-Clone product is legal in the US or EU.--BruceGrubb (talk) 20:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom DRosin (talk) 22:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak keep or merge, it has some reputable coverage, like from SoftPedia --SF007 (talk) 11:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Josh Olin
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Article was PRODed as not notable, and template removed before expiry. Majority of references are not reliable sources. Ronhjones 01:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No independent sources as far as I can see. Seems like an advert. Some good sources and I'd change my mind, but delete as it stands DRosin (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Marinol (Dronabinol)
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This article was created by a new user (this is his first contribution) under an incorrect name. Per pharmaceutical naming conventions, articles about medicines must be named with their International Nonproprietary Name, here that would be dronabinol. Dronabinol article existed some time ago (and was previously moved from Marinol), but then its merger with Tetrahydrocannabinol was discussed and the result was to merge because these are two names of the same substance; so at the moment of creation of the article, dronabinol was a redirect to tetrahydrocannabinol, and the latter article contains a section that describes the medicinal use of the synthetic substance in detail. So now this newly created article represents an accidental fork under an unsuitable name (no one will look for this information through this name, people would look either for a brand name Marinol or for INN Dronabinol, not both of them in this combination). I propose to delete this fork (not even a redirect is needed); if necessary and absent in the existing article, some information may be moved there (i.e. to Tetrahydrocannabinol#Dronabinol). --Maxxicum (talk) 01:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. I concur. I cannot find any novel content that should be preserved, even as a redirect.Novangelis (talk) 06:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season Eight (Motion Comics)
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falls foul of a comic-equivalent of WP:HAMMER. We've got no idea when it'll be written or produced, who is working or it or.. anything. Ironholds (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. One report of a rumor on a sci-fi website does not get this past WP:CRYSTAL. --RL0919 (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- delete per WP:HAMMER. iT's all just speculation --Brunk500 (talk) 11:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:CRYSTAL. Joe Chill (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was redirected to Oboe concerto No. 3 (Handel). An AFD is not required here. I will inform nominator. Jujutacular 01:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Oboe concerto in G minor (HWV 287)
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Created page with an incorrect name HWV258. 00:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I created the Oboe concerto in G minor (HWV 287) page, but immediately realised that I didn't select a good name for the page. Six minutes later I created the replacement Oboe concerto No. 3 (Handel) page with identical information. Nothing links to the page being nominated for deletion. Entirely my stuff-up. Sorry. HWV258. 00:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. This discussion has gone on long enough-12 days now; I cannot recall ever hearing such totally irrelevant keep arguments, scarcely worth the refutation & RGTraynor's analysis of the claimed awards seems definitive., DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Li Xing
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fails WP:ENTERTAINER; as a general rule, if your most prominent role is "featured extra" in a film that hasn't yet been made? Probably not notable. Ironholds (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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Keepif sourcing found. Sure, fails the sub-category of WP:ENT... but his many awards for accomplishments as a martial artist seem to surpass WP:BIO's "has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one". Schmidt, 22:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Struck my provisional keep. Sources were not found. Schmidt, 17:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- notable award or honor. First place at the Takamori School of Martial Arts in Karate is not a notable award unless the school is known, which it doesn't seem to be. Its on the same level as the half-colours I won in 5th form. Ironholds (talk) 08:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Congratulations. Since I can only hope for sourcing, I have added this to deletion sorting for martial arts. Schmidt, 09:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- You're failing to address the problem with your comments here. Please explain, in any amount of detail, how the Takamori School of Martial Arts is a reputable and highly regarded award-granting body? Ironholds (talk) 10:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Though I might guess the school could be named for Saigo Takamori, I do not know who the actual namesake Takamori is nor know the school.... and so I am awaiting input from the experts. Which is why I added this AFD to deletion sorting for martial arts... and why my comment above contained a caveat. Schmidt, 11:23, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- You're failing to address the problem with your comments here. Please explain, in any amount of detail, how the Takamori School of Martial Arts is a reputable and highly regarded award-granting body? Ironholds (talk) 10:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Congratulations. Since I can only hope for sourcing, I have added this to deletion sorting for martial arts. Schmidt, 09:08, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- notable award or honor. First place at the Takamori School of Martial Arts in Karate is not a notable award unless the school is known, which it doesn't seem to be. Its on the same level as the half-colours I won in 5th form. Ironholds (talk) 08:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete I searched on "Takamori School of Martial Arts" and the only hit I found was this article. I can find no evidence that his martial arts awards are anything except those presented by a local school. Papaursa (talk) 04:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete. I have not been able to find any reliable sources to support this article. The article itself appears to be self-promotion. Janggeom (talk) 16:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- "You shoot that dog!"--Lionmadness (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming that you are a new user (based on your edit count), you might like to refer to Misplaced Pages:Guide to deletion as a helpful guide. I would appreciate an explanation of what you mean by your statement, as it is not clear to me. Thank you. Janggeom (talk) 04:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- "You shoot that dog!"--Lionmadness (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong keep per the moral saying "You shoot that dog!"--AtlanticDeep (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, would you mind explaining, err.. what the hell you mean? Ironholds (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong keep per AtlanticDeep and the fact that no concensus was reached last time, which is often, by default, a keep anyway.--Lionmadness (talk) 20:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- The fact that no consensus was reached does not mean that any future debate should result in keep; otherwise we'd have a double jeopardy rule. I cannot see another AfD; where exactly was this debated before? Ironholds (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- It was debated earlier this year, just not at the regular Afd venue. "You shoot that dog!"--AtlanticDeep (talk) 01:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- 1) where and 2) what the heck does "you shoot that dog" mean? And again, a previous debate does not invalidate a second debate, otherwise we'd have a double jeopardy rule. Consider the evidence at hand rather than blindly following the pack. Ironholds (talk) 01:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It was debated earlier this year, just not at the regular Afd venue. "You shoot that dog!"--AtlanticDeep (talk) 01:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The fact that no consensus was reached does not mean that any future debate should result in keep; otherwise we'd have a double jeopardy rule. I cannot see another AfD; where exactly was this debated before? Ironholds (talk) 23:59, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- You are right, it doesn't. I was just pointing a previous debate out that did decide to keep the article, (not at Afd obviously). And how am I "following the pack" when I was actually the first to suggest keeping per "You shoot that dog?"--AtlanticDeep (talk) 02:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Ignoring, for a second, that "You shoot that dog" is not a valid argument; I was more replying to Lionmadness, who was following the pack by saying "well the previous debate said keep, so without examining the issue I'm going to go with keep too". Ironholds (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I never said that I haven;t examined the issue. Stop speaking for others. Should I say "Ironholds is here even though he doesn't know what Afd is?" Of couse not. I don't have a clue what he knows and doesn't know in the same way he doesn't know what I know and don't know. Even WP:AGF that was not a good comment.--Lionmadness (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)*
- "Strong keep' per AtlanticDeep and the fact that no concensus was reached last time, which is often, by default, a keep anyway." very clearly implies that you've not examined the article. The comment you've made simply cites a previous discussion and dog-killing as being your case-deciders, nothing about how the article passes WP:ENT or its particular merits. Ironholds (talk) 02:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I never said that I haven;t examined the issue. Stop speaking for others. Should I say "Ironholds is here even though he doesn't know what Afd is?" Of couse not. I don't have a clue what he knows and doesn't know in the same way he doesn't know what I know and don't know. Even WP:AGF that was not a good comment.--Lionmadness (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)*
- Delete You shoot that cat? Wtf is you shoot that dog supposed to mean? This article fails WP:ENTERTAINER, and therefore merits deletion. Coffee // have a cup // ark // 02:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- 20-Mule Team Delete: Let's review. This fellow's appeared as an extra in a few films. The article claims that in a martial arts career he suspended before his 18th birthday, he's earned TEN different black belts from a school we can't prove exists. His IMDB page is, in fact, devoid of work. None of the films in which he claims to have worked actually include him in their cast lists, even with the two that have long lists of uncredited performers, and I can't find any evidence that the first two films he claims to have worked on actually exist. No valid policy grounds for keeping this article have been proffered, and in particular I ask MichaelQSchmidt to withdraw his Keep vote immediately; frankly, I'm staggered at a Keep vote based on an assertion of notability on which it's plain not even the most cursory examination was done. RGTraynor 14:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Immediately? With respects, as stated above my keep was provisional. The guideline-based "grounds" for my provisional keep were the assertions of notability through the multiple awards. Wishing to myself WP:AGF, and not being expert on the usually non-notable sport of martial arts nor a reader of languages other than English, I tagged the article for attention of the martial arts wikiproject and hoped for input from the experts. I waited and watched. Sources were not found. So I have struck my provisional keep... but not because you demanded I do so. Schmidt, 17:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Reply: An assertion of notability is not a ground to advocate Keep; damn near every article at AfD, and every hoax article ever written, does that much. All an assertion of notability does is debar a Speedy Delete. Since AfD's a discussion on the merits of an article, one would hope that people advocate Keep on any claim proven credible. RGTraynor 21:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting Afd discussion with arguing on both sides of the fence for different reasons. But at the end of day, he still won TEN black belts. My !vote shall be Keep.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Could you cite some kind of policy or guideline, please? The black belts are from a completely unknown school. I could set up the Ironholds School of Pseudo-Judo in my back garden and award myself 42 black belts; that doesn't justify an article on me. Ironholds (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- WP:NOTABLE--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- ..okay, now please show how that policy applies here, and how having ten black belts qualifies one under WP:BIO. Ironholds (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- In all martial arts and similar activity, black belts are held to high honor. Anyone with 10 of them is notable.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Find the bit of WP:BIO that says that or similar. It allows for people who have won important/prestigious awards; you're making the assumption that the school who awarded it is notable. Given that nobody knows anything about it, it's safe to assume that it isn't. Ironholds (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- You are not understanding. I never said anything about the school being notable. I said that the important/prestigious black belts are notable.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- But one can call any award a black belt. If the school is not licensed/important, and is self-run, there is no evidence to show that the black belts are a particularly difficult achievement. Even if they are, thousands of people gain black belts. They are not prestigious awards, and are not covered by WP:BIO. The importance of the school is relevant, since it is linked to how distinguished an award is. If the school is the greatest and most difficult martial arts school in the world, a black belt is more prestigious than if it's Lucky Dragon Karate, which meets once a week above a launderette. Ironholds (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- but he has not won only 1 or 2, he has one TEN! Ten worldwide recognized awards of honor. Anyone in the martial arts knows the high significance of a black belt. Someone with many of them is a high honorable. Meaning, notability!--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- But again, who awarded the black belts! If it's a recognised awarding body, fine. If it's a disreputable institution, not fine. You seem to be missing the point of my line of argument somewhat. Ironholds (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I think you are actually missing my point. Be it from a school that is not well-known or the most well-known school in the world, a black belt is a black belt. It is an award of honor no matter who awards it. Anyone with many honorable black belts is notable. end of discussion.--NiceHotShower (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, because "black belt" is subjective. If they are being awarded based on a curriculum or exam system devised by some hack and not supported by any certified organisation, how can you say multiple wins of this "black belt" constitutes notability? But on your head be it. I'd suggest getting a better knowledge of how WP:N and the surrounding guidelines work before contributing to AfDs in the future. Ironholds (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I was about to suggest that to you. So what are you waiting for Ironholds? You can start reading up on policies now. I can give you a quiz on Misplaced Pages policies at the end of the week and if your knowledge has improved I'll give you a barnstar. How about it?--NiceHotShower (talk) 23:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, because "black belt" is subjective. If they are being awarded based on a curriculum or exam system devised by some hack and not supported by any certified organisation, how can you say multiple wins of this "black belt" constitutes notability? But on your head be it. I'd suggest getting a better knowledge of how WP:N and the surrounding guidelines work before contributing to AfDs in the future. Ironholds (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I think you are actually missing my point. Be it from a school that is not well-known or the most well-known school in the world, a black belt is a black belt. It is an award of honor no matter who awards it. Anyone with many honorable black belts is notable. end of discussion.--NiceHotShower (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- But again, who awarded the black belts! If it's a recognised awarding body, fine. If it's a disreputable institution, not fine. You seem to be missing the point of my line of argument somewhat. Ironholds (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- but he has not won only 1 or 2, he has one TEN! Ten worldwide recognized awards of honor. Anyone in the martial arts knows the high significance of a black belt. Someone with many of them is a high honorable. Meaning, notability!--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- But one can call any award a black belt. If the school is not licensed/important, and is self-run, there is no evidence to show that the black belts are a particularly difficult achievement. Even if they are, thousands of people gain black belts. They are not prestigious awards, and are not covered by WP:BIO. The importance of the school is relevant, since it is linked to how distinguished an award is. If the school is the greatest and most difficult martial arts school in the world, a black belt is more prestigious than if it's Lucky Dragon Karate, which meets once a week above a launderette. Ironholds (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- You are not understanding. I never said anything about the school being notable. I said that the important/prestigious black belts are notable.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Find the bit of WP:BIO that says that or similar. It allows for people who have won important/prestigious awards; you're making the assumption that the school who awarded it is notable. Given that nobody knows anything about it, it's safe to assume that it isn't. Ironholds (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- In all martial arts and similar activity, black belts are held to high honor. Anyone with 10 of them is notable.--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- ..okay, now please show how that policy applies here, and how having ten black belts qualifies one under WP:BIO. Ironholds (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- WP:NOTABLE--NiceHotShower (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Errr ... a mere black belt is not notable in the martial arts world; pretty much anyone who's reasonably fit and dedicated earns one in a few years. To quote from the black belt article, "In contrast to the "black belt as master" stereotype, a black belt commonly indicates the wearer is competent in a style's basic technique and principles ... The shodan black belt is not the end of training but rather as a beginning to advanced learning: the individual now "knows how to walk" and may thus begin the "journey". As a 'black belt' is commonly viewed as conferring some status, achieving one has been used as a marketing 'gimmick', for example a guarantee of being awarded one within a specific period or if a specific amount is paid." Beyond that, there's no evidence that this kid's claim of ten black belts is actually true. A kid earning ten black belts before he's 18? I think it's bullshit myself. RGTraynor 01:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Since the discussion has turned to notability guidelines, it is worth noting that the article's subject currently does not meet any of the five WPMA notability guidelines for martial artists: (1) subject of an independent article/documentary; (2) founder of a notable style; (3) Olympic medallist; (4) finalist in another significant event (note that this specifically excludes internal school events, which all of the subject's events appear to be); and (5) author of significant books on his style. The WPMA notability guidelines do not have any point based on rank. Even if the article had reliable sources to support its current content, it would still fail to meet these guidelines. Janggeom (talk) 03:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete This guy does not appear to be notable either as an actor or as a martial artist. --MelanieN (talk) 05:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | 14:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Thomas Kemp
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Non-notable Wisconsin county politico. A better claim to notability than some, but he does not meet WP:BIO or or WP:ACADEMIC. Glenfarclas (talk) 00:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Neutral Has the sources, but is right at the edge for notability on both the political and professor sides. Royalbroil 02:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete: Although there are citations, fails WP:POLITICIAN. Toddst1 (talk) 15:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:ACADEMIC and WP:POLITICIAN. Being a city council member, college professor, and head of a county party does not make one notable in my opinion. And having a long, well-cited article does not change that. --BaronLarf 05:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, Did some research but unfortunately I am not seeing enough coverage in secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 14:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Tone 00:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Victor B. Tosi
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fails WP:BIO. Coverage is either from the Party website or minor snippets within articles about other figures. Ironholds (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-06-20/news/once-and-again/ (cited as one of the references) is all about Tosi. As for the other references, a reference need not be primarily about the subject of an article to be useful. - Eastmain (talk) 03:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, but it does need to provide significant coverage, not soundbite reference to him. Ironholds (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, I'm seeing a good deal of secondary source coverage , . Cirt (talk) 14:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete - He was never even a has been. He presided over the continuing decline of the GOP in The Bronx. The GOP is a truly minority party there - only about 6 % of the vote or enrollment. Bearian (talk) 16:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep has enough 3rd party coverage to pass WP:BIO RP459 (talk) 18:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep per Cirt (talk · contribs), enough secondary coverage here to indicate notability. Lankiveil 06:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC).
- Keep Appears to have enough coverage in the media. Jujutacular 19:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Keep, The provided sources clearly establish notability . Rirunmot (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC).
- Delete of local interest only, article makes no particular claim of notability. Abductive (reasoning) 23:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Keep a borough party chairman in NYC is influential politically. DGG ( talk ) 04:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 03:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Jeff Cooper (broadcaster)
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BLP of a non-notable person. No independent sources, mostly promotional. ms.⁴⁵ 12:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Delete He seems to be a legitimate person in the radio industry, but the complete lack of any outside mention of him - from the article or a Google search - makes him non-notable by definition. --MelanieN (talk) 06:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)MelanieN
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The result was delete. The concerns about verifiability are well founded. JohnCD (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Haji Muhammad Salah Mugheri
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Location not notable to warrant a seperate article - maybe this could be merged Kartano (talk) 12:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Keep. All villages are notable. Is there an online atlas of Pakistan that could be used to verify this article? Is the transliteration of the village's name correct? - Eastmain (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Should that "keep" be understood as "keep if someone can find sources verifying the existence of the place"? That seems to me the only reasonable interpretation, in view of the two questions which Eastmain has asked. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Whether all villages are notable or not has been argued repeatedly, with no conclusive consensus. However, even if we do accept that view, what is "a village"? Are two houses together on an empty hillside a village? If not then where do we draw the line? Does this place cross the line (assuming it exists, which is not yet verified)? We need evidence to answer this, even if all villages are notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. All villages may be notable, but they must still be verifiable for us to have an article. With English being an official language of Pakistan there should be an official spelling of the village name in the Latin alphabet. I've tried searching for a few variations of the name but can't find anything online, so I'd like this to be considered a delete opinion unless anyone offers any reliable source (online or offline) that verifies this village's existence, in which case it's a keep. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Sindh. "Haji+Muhammad+Salah+Mugheri"&btnG=Search A google brings up nothing except the wiki article. Airplaneman 21:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Merging would be the worst option. If the existence of this village can't be verified then it shouldn't appear anywhere in Misplaced Pages, but if it can it should have its own article per the long-standing consensus that verifiable villages can be covered in separate articles. Merging to Sindh would clearly give undue weight in that article to just one of the many thousands of villages in Sindh. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Phil Bridger has got it right:if the existence of the place can't be verifiable then there can be no justification for having it anywhere, whether in its own article or merged elsewhere. In fact having information about a place which may not exist in a prominent article (e.g. Sindh) would be worse than having it in an obscure article that few people are likely to ever notice, but neither is acceptable. I have made searches for this place, and, like Phil Bridger and Airplaneman, have failed to find anything at all, under any spelling. If the place exists and is genuinely a village then we might expect to find something somewhere. Unfortunately the author of the article has edited only on one day and not returned, so it is unlikely that we can get further information from him/her, though we can hope. Under Misplaced Pages policy the onus is on anyone wishing to keep the article to provide verifiable sources, and so far nobody has managed to do so, even though several of us have tried to do so. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment I found a reference to something with approximately this name at Waterlogging and salinity management in the Sindh Province, Pakistan. Volume I, Supplement I.B. Farmer's perspectives on Warah Branch Canal operations p. 51, listing Muhammad Salah Mugheri as the name of the farmer and Piral Khan Mugheri as the village, with Bukeja as some kind of subdivision. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 00:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete, cannot be verified, possibly vanity article. Abductive (reasoning) 08:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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