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QutIM

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This is the third nomination of this article. The first result was delete as non-notable. The second I speedy deleted as a recreation of an article previously deleted at AfD. However, on my talk page, editors provided a range of additional sources. Some of these certainly do not meet RS criteria. Some are in Russian, so I can't tell. One is to HAKER, which may well be a reliable source. However, I'm not qualified to tell. I have now restored this and brought to AfD so that more eyes can see it, and hopefully reach a final community decision.

Apologies in advance for the length of this nomination! I have no particularly strong feelings either way, this is a procedural nomination really.

For your convenience, below are the sources added to my talkpage.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/qutim -

And some more links: http://qutim-forum.de/forum/ http://www.qutim.cz/ Nokia has done port qutIM to Symbian: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/d0134921-0894-42a3-a1a8-f3d0fdb7a9b3/Qt_for_Symbian_qutIM_Example.html

http://qt-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high -

nokia.com qt-apps.org are famous secondary sources, Also some more secondary sources, but now mostly on russian: http://valentine.viviti.com/ http://habrahabr.ru/ http://mac.softpedia.com/ http://mib.pianetalinux.org/ http://itshaman.ru/ http://www.opennet.ru/ http://iblog.su/ http://hakushka.wordpress.com/ http://jenyay.net/ http://t-34.name/ http://megaobzor.com/

Also information about qutIM was published in some famous magazines like }{aker (April, August), ITFormat

XAKER is a journal with more than ten year history,

ITFormat looks to be journal with both professional and user articles.

English language: Qt-Apps (btw it's a software portal rather than forum) Freshports - FreeBSD software ports Gentoo Packages Softpedia - Software encyclopedia, Mac section Archlinux software Maemo software Macupdate - Mac software Software informer Slax packages Mops Linux packages

GedUK  21:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

"hard to find any russian linux user who doesn't know qutIM", yes but we need multiple, reliable, verifiable sources to prove this. WP:THISNUMBERISHUGE TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
"how many ICQ clients you know which support *nix systems" doesn't show notability. We need multiple, reliable, verifiable sources to prove notability. WP:THISNUMBERISHUGE TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • The presentation mention is as one bullet point in a list of Qt/KDE communications programs; one bullet point is hardly "significant coverage" as required by WP:N. The Nokia source I grant does seem to count towards notability. --Cybercobra (talk) 07:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
There's absolutely no need for personal abuse. If you continue, you will be blocked. Comment on the content, not the editor. GedUK  15:10, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
We get it, you like it, but we need multiple, reliable, verifiable sources to prove notability. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Doing a small walk through all the articles in Misplaced Pages, dedicated to various IMs, I've found that (apart from the one regrading Pidgin) the rest: first don't have (more) RR and second by the look of them are not (more) notable then qutIM's one is, but they are not suggested for deletion. Of course, articles like Bukkake have their RR and are definitely "notable". Dear Miami33139, if people don't find it notable enough why is it translated to other languages? You definitely spit on these people's faces (including me), that are trying to contribute. For me QT-Apps is one of the most reliable sources, when looking for OS software, and for sure highest rated apps are notable. Cheers! Boyan.kiroff (talk) 12:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Blog, directory, forum, non reliable website, respectively. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
"non reliable website" - I hope that's a bad joke? Nokia's site is "not a reliable"?!
Nokia's site is unreliable? By the way, it's not a forum, because I've given you a link not ot a thread, but to library it's part, which is filled by Nokia. If megaobzor is not reliable, is there any reliable sources at the world?
But we need multiple, reliable, verifiable sources to prove notability. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
      • They're kidding, right? When "eAthena" article (which is an open source server software) redirects to article about commercial RPG with blatant advertising, that's seems to be okay. That's a double-standards. Hey, Misplaced Pages, please stop censorship. It's no matter how you call this, deletion of information is a censorship, actually. Not to mention some people are padding their interests by abusing the rules, At the end of day, it is we are, your users who're losing from such practices. Stop abusing rules to apply some kind of censorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 02:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages isn't censored... TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
We need multiple, reliable, verifiable sources to prove that notability. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
If you look around, Misplaced Pages has a great amount of open source projects listed here, that are notable. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
      • Yep, let's censorship articles about these nasty opensource projects who interferes with someone's fat profits. But hey, Misplaced Pages told there is no censorship. What a double standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Category:Free software has tons of open source software. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
So there is too much free software and that's a good reason to apply some censorship? What a good argue. Good luck with censorship, then. And let's the formalism and bureaucracy to replace the actual knowledge. But users are coming here for knowledge. Not to fight your overgrown bureaucracy and rules which are getting abused by someone to pad their views. If you delete some useful information, that's censorship. Well, me at least tried to vote to prevent it, as you suggested. I'm not sure if this works though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 02:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
WP:JUSTAVOTE TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Hi. About this article. I maybe don't know anything about the rules ), but, with respect, I can say only one: this is a really good software, especially for linux-systems and for ICQ-protocol. Usable, user-friendly.One of the best, I think. Like Kopete, Miranda or tkabbber Qiwichupa (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
You like it. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep stop this damned censorship! It's so annoying to see tons of good and useful articles being deleted here and there. Stop this sabotage, let's humankind to have a knowledge. And it should come without this sucking censorship. How dare you are to decide what is important and what is not? Something which is not important to you could be a matter of life for someone. Someone, please stop this deletion madness! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 01:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
  • Comment, Misplaced Pages isn't censored, just a vote, and you like it. I still have yet to see any policy cited in many of these keep !votes. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 01:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment Just to let you know, your actions were blogged in popular russian blog and they seems to look like abuse of certain templates and rules to apply censorship (lacks notability, etc). Have fun continuing doing so, but I think you would face a number of unhappy users soon. And at least me would take an effort to inform my friends using QutIM about this situation as well. And QutIM is not a first deletion I'm unhappy about. That's actually a censorship via juggling by the rules and templates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
      • Comment, is the threat of a blog post supposed to make delete !voters quake in their boots and run away crying for mercy from the AFD? Until there are some references provided to back up notability, this article will either be deleted or continue to face AFD. Stop crying censorship; if some reputable third-party sources are found the article can stay. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and the project is not obliged in any way to keep content just to prevent accusations of "censorship". SMC (talk) 06:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete Recreation of deleted material and clearly non-notable. Forum postings and blogs are not evidence of notability. Fails WP:N on all levels. I do not envy the admin who has to clear through all the ridiculously obvious meat puppetry going on above. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:28, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
    • All this "meat puppetry" just happens because this program is quite popular and so quite many people feel insulted by such action. Me, for example not anyhow related with QutIM at all. And I see no reasons why user interested in "what is this qutim?" should be denied an answer. As user I find such experience unpleasant at very least. It feels like censorship for me. So you, hardcore admins and wiki-maniacs just got too far away from us, your users. Furthermore, after looking on actions of "Miami33139" user it's obvious he is some kind of saboteur. He deletes excessive amount of articles, isn't he? Good luck in supporting activity of people like this. But I'm afraid that at the end I would be unable to read in Misplaced Pages anything that does not exists in ancient encyclopaedia book I own. This would be a bad day for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.187.30 (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Last delete was 1.5 years ago, IM appeared also 1.5 years ago, so it's not criteria. There is no link to any forum, library.forum.nokia.com is just situated in the same domain, content is filled by Nokia themself. EuroElessar (talk) 06:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep I can see only speculation on Misplaced Pages rules in the purpose of censorship. What is "notable" actually? The ability to pay you for not deleting? No thanks, I don't need this kind of Misplaced Pages. Uruno-kun (talk) 05:15, 20 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
  • Keep Hello everybody. I just read on habrahabr.ru that this article was marked for deletion, and as I can see this is a third attempt to do so. I don't know much about Misplaced Pages and how it works, but I guess it is clear now that original reason "Non-notable software" is wrong, and it is also clear that whoever initiated it, is completely unqualified to have such privileges and make such decisions. (Personal attack redacted by Jeremy ) Thanks. Realaaa (talk) 06:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
  • Delete as completely non-notable, and as other delete !votes suggested, protect it from creation. The question has to be posed - just how many SPA's can one AFD handle? SMC (talk) 06:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • NOTE) AfD semiprotected 5 days for the massive amounts of meatpuppetry. Also redacted a statement Realaaa made above; that can be construed as a death threat. -Jeremy 06:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
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