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Thank you

Thank you very much for the award, IZAK. It means a great deal and I will truly treasure it. SlimVirgin 09:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, IZAK, I hope it's OK that I'm adding this thank-you to someone else's thank-you section. I just wanted to say, er, thank you, for adding a welcome message to my talk page. As a newbie, that was a pleasant surprise. It was also helpful to get that added insight to some of the behind-the-scenes effort. --Rich Janis 13:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Dropping in and saying hi

I like the photo on your user page. lol. Very nice. Just to smile at you for being nice to everybody, I noticed. Regeane Silverwolf 03:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Regeane Silverwolf has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Say, "Smile"!

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Conjugal obligations and rights in Judaism

I saw your nomination to merge this article into Jewish views of marriage as well. I disagreed with you in this case on both points. About the merger, and about your objections to wording. The first is a strictly technical matter, but the second surprised me a little. After all, the article is well sourced and all the things you call pejorative are factually correct and neutrally worded, if you think about it, because no value is being given to the statements. Debresser (talk) 12:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Hi Debresser. Thanks for contacting me. I stand by my nomination, as explained over there. There was no reason to create an extra article in obvious violation of WP:CONTENTFORK when all the material (with pejoratives edited out) could fit perfectly well into Jewish views of marriage that is just for that kind of topic. Feel free to vote the way you wish. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Need someone with knowledge of Hebrew idioms to help

I saw a suspect removal of content on Pot calling the kettle black, specifically, removing one of two idioms in Hebrew that are supposed to be equivalent. I was wondering if you would please:

  1. Confirm if the initial removal was justified (and restore it if it's a valid phrase)
  2. Verify the remaining quote (online translators are nearly useless for linguistic idioms)
  3. Provide a transliteration for both (since Hebrew isn't readable by most English speakers; I can read it with the vowels, but I can't read the shorthand with consonants only without making a lot of mistakes)

I'm assuming you're a fluent speaker of Hebrew, but I acknowledge I could be totally off on that; even if you are fluent, that doesn't mean you're familiar with modern idioms, so if you know anyone better suited to confirming it please pass along my request. —ShadowRanger  21:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk page stalker here. Transliterated and cited to Talmudic source. I am unsure of the provenance of the removed phrase. -- Avi (talk) 22:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I kind of wanted the removed phrase to be real. It has a certain charm to it. :-) Oh well, thanks for helping out on the rest of the request. The translation of the Hebrew for the remaining phrase is odd though; without filling in words it doesn't seem to mean what I assume it to mean, which would be "All who disqualify due to fault do so based on their own fault." Am I correct that the "another" is an assumed word there? I might add it in if so; otherwise it looks like a proverb that simply says "If you screw up, it's your own fault," which isn't in the spirit of the English idiom. —ShadowRanger  22:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
You are correct; I have placed a more literal translation with helping brackets. Sorry. -- Avi (talk) 22:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Google searches seem to bring up only the old wiki page: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9D+%D7%A6%D7%95%D7%97%D7%A7+%D7%A2%D7%9C+%D7%94%D7%91%D7%A6%D7%9C+%D7%A9%D7%94%D7%95%D7%90+%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%97%22&hl=en&filter=0&cts=1260226818920 -- Avi (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Eve Frank and Felix Frankfurter

Nowhere in the article did I say that Felix Frankfurter was decended from Eve Frank. I said that he parents were decended from FOLLOWERS, and they had a picture of her.Ericl (talk) 21:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the Jewish Barnstar, and for the flattering mention in the Misplaced Pages Signpost. Happy Chanukah, Yoninah (talk) 17:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you, that was very thoughtful of you! Jayjg 01:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

יישר כחך

Thank you for the very kind words! א פרייליכן און א ליכטיגע חנוכה!! -- Avi (talk) 01:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Chabad, POVFORKs, and alot of discussion

Dear IZAK, I just wanted to stop by and thank you for your contributions and for very legitimately bringing to peoples attention an editorial bias that is not in line with WP policy. Having articles that present a multi-faceted Jewish issue as if it is a chabad-perspectived monolith does harm.

I would just share a thought that we all catch more flies with honey than vinegar and a calm tone will help us all work together.

Much love, Joe407 (talk) 05:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I am glad that you brought Tefillin campaign to our attention. I looked at all the "campaign" article spin-offs and notice that they read exactly the same way, more like a press release than an encyclopedic entry. Letter in the Sefer Torah campaign and Noahide campaign follow the exact same format and have as their only references sichot by the Rebbe. I'm a bit intimidated to lodge an AfD, though, as Yehoishophot Oliver zinged me with his allegation of "POV pushing" on my comment on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Public menorah. I think you express yourself much more eloquently and accurately; you could almost copy and paste your comment on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tefillin campaign. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 07:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I started the AFD process on those two, I am sure Izak can put his two cents in much better. Yossiea 15:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, keep me posted

Thank you everyone for keeping me posted. Please let me know when further issues like this come to anyone's attention. IZAK (talk) 12:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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AfD

I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews.Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Jewish seminary

Go rant at whoever pushed Beis Yaakov into Jewish seminary. I had to remove links to Beis Yaakov from a lot of articles where they didn't belong. A fine example of POV pushing. And no connection with Chabad. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Jewish_seminary. Debresser (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't "rant" -- I edit. I will see when I can. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will be glad to be of service as best I can. IZAK (talk) 04:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it now. What's the big deal? It's a regular disambiguation page, see Jewish seminary. IZAK (talk) 13:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Great. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 13:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I didn't mean to cause an edit conflict in Jewish seminary. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Jewish_seminary for explanations to my edit. Debresser (talk) 13:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:Listcruft is not a policy

Re: Violates Misplaced Pages:Listcruft

Could you explain your reasoning above considering that WP:Listcruft is not a policy (and will never be)?

Hi, I have just clarified it . Thanks, IZAK (talk) 13:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, could you please nominate List of Muslim astronomers for deletion because you said that the list of jewish engineers was deleted and so we should delete the lists of former Jews and so on. --Matt57 13:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, I can' get global about this. I am not familiar with the subject of Muslim astronomers, so I cannot even really comment on that. IZAK (talk) 13:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Matt: See User:IZAK/Deleting lists and categories of Jews where I have detailed my reasons for opposing lists and categories of Jews on Misplaced Pages. I cannot by extension apply the same reasoning to Muslims or any other group. Each ethnicity, nationality and religion and its representative editors must decide what works best for them and what guidelines they should follow within the parameters of Misplaced Pages's policies. Thanks for contacting me. IZAK (talk) 13:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

One could make a similiar page detailing why we should delete lists and categories relating to Muslims. It looks strange that you would be asking for people to delete lists/categories for Jews but have no comments about pages relating to Muslims or Hindus or people from other religion and say that you leave other people to decide about that. --Matt57 13:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Matt: You cannot equate what applies to a small group of people like the 13 million Jews of the world, with almost two billion Muslims and over a billion Hindus. There are different factors at work. Muslims and Hindus do not have to face the historical realities of antisemitism and genocide that Jews have suffered recenetly such as in the Holocaust when almost a third of the world's Jews were killed in Europe by Nazis wielding LISTS OF JEWS. Therefore lists and categories of living Jews works in the favor of Jew Watch and other Jew-haters and may lead to deaths at the hands of antisemites. I am not sure that two billion Muslims and a over a billion Hindus have the same issues. While some rules of Misplaced Pages can be generalized, nobody said you should toss your brains and common sense out the window and come up with false conclusions and false absurd claims that Misplaced Pages is a generic society, when it is not. As I said, I don't know the way the Muslim editors function just like I don't know how the medical or scientific editors function and my expertsise and interests are not in those areas. I try not to be a smart alek and stick my nose into subjects I know absolutely nothing about and I advise you to do the same. Gotta go now. Take care! IZAK (talk) 13:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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WP:ANI

I have finally posted you on WP:ANI. Debresser (talk) 11:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

User :Hayesgenius

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. His user page has been blanked (again!), and much of his editing history have been oversighted. He's also been notified of the dangers of what he is doing. I hope it makes an impression. Jayjg 18:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Complaint and discussion concerning your POV editing, violations of WP policy, and diff's

A complaint concerning your POV editing, and violations of WP policy has been posted at Misplaced Pages:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:IZAK.27s_POV_editing.2C_violations_of_WP_policy_and_diffs. Thanks, Shlomke (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Rabbi Elazar Shach page

Lately there's been a lot of edit wars and discussion regarding the Rabbi Elazar Shach page (so much that the page was locked for a month). Have anything to contribute to the discussions on the talk page? Yonoson3 (talk) 04:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Civility

This is a general warning to all users involved in recent COIN and ANI discussions. Please stop talking about other users mental status, mental health or their person. As the WP:CIVILITY policy says, "Even during heated debates, editors should behave politely, calmly and reasonably, in order to keep the focus on improving the encyclopedia and to help maintain a pleasant editing environment" and WP:NPA which states: "comments should not be personalized and should be directed at content and actions rather than people". I am drawing a line under what has been said to this point so you all right now have a clean slate, but I intend to start blocking users on both sides of the dispute who continue engaging in violations of the behavioural policies so please accept this as a final warning. Thanks, Sarah 05:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Hi Sarah, you are right, as you know I have been the primary target of these attacks. I have been trying to draw attention to the fact that a number of admins have also asked all parties involved to step back and allow the admins to review the case, but unfortunately, User Debresser (talk · contribs) and User Shlomke (talk · contribs) went ahead and escalated the situation by creating even more red herring attacks against me as distractions and smokescreens at the ANI and COI boards. I agree with you fully and I certainly hope it allows everyone to remain calm, rational and focused. Thank you for your input. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 06:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks, IZAK (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)