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Government in Exile

There's a dispute over at Talk:Government in exile over the sovereignity of the ROC, and whether or not it is a gov't in exile. There is also a request for comment for one of the editors involved. More input is needed to resolve this issue, thanks.

Request for comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Mafia_godfather T-1000 (talk) 06:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

From the wording in the disputed line it seems to be describing what the Republic of China considers itself to be (a Government-in-exile) rather than public opinion or any external opinion for that matter. I do not think this line should be disputed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.178.190 (talk) 06:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

AESAN in lead

I have reverted this edit by an IP as I think it's a too vague to write that Taiwan is north of the AESAN and it's also borderline innaccurate - in particular Vietnam and Burma are certainly not south of Taiwan. Instead, I think it's clearer to just mention the countries that are directly below Taiwan; i.e. the Philippines, Indonesia and Australia. Any objections? Laurent (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Tensions and Status Quo

POV problem: Article says The current president, Ma Ying-jeou, however managed to ease tension with the PRC by maintaining the status quo.

Chen maintained more of the status quo, while Ma has actually been making changes to the status quo by making Taiwan more economically and politically dependent on China. Readin (talk) 06:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we shouldn't talk about "status quo" at all since it looks like it could mean different things to different readers. We could simply rewrite the sentence to:

"The current president, Ma Ying-jeou, managed to ease tension with the PRC by stating that there will be no unification nor declaration of independance during his presidency."

What do you think? Laurent (talk) 10:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the term "status quo" is problematic for the reason you give. Also, ascribing motives to the PRC (or to anyone) can be a problem if when the PRC hasn't actually stated what their motives are.

The references provided in the article suggest other reasons the tensions are supposed to be decreasing.

For example, Ma said a number of things that fit with China's view that Taiwanese people are China's possessions. He said that relations between ROC and PRC are not "between two countries" but instead are just "special relations" (This changed status quo by " reversing a decade-long government position"). Ma said that "mainland China" is part of the ROC. Ma has adopted the supposed "1992 Consensus". The motivation for China to ease its threats has been interpreted by many to simply be a way to make common league with fellow opponents of the Taiwanese people's dream of formal independence (according to polls a solid majority would choose independence over unification with China).

As for the idea that it was Ma's promises, Chen made very similar promises at the beginning of his term. He only laid them aside when China neither responded by easing tensions nor leaving them as they were, but instead continued to increase its pressure and threats.

We need to be very careful about claiming to know what is in the hearts of the Chinese leaders and what are their motivations. Readin (talk) 16:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

From what you are saying, I think it would take far too much space to expose all the POVs and make this paragraph completely neutral. But perhaps we don't need to have the opinion of Lee, Chen and Ma in there - we could move them to the "Political issues" section, and expand at will from there. I think it's actually a bit wp:undue to have them in the lead anyway (or else why not Chiang or his son).

The current paragraph, without these opinions, would then simply be about the Cross-Strait relations (and perhaps we could expand and state the influence of China on Taiwan's international relations). How about it? Laurent (talk) 19:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Readin (talk) 05:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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