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The result was delete. JForget 02:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Long Way to Happy
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unnotable unreferenced unreleased track Ejfetters (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete - song does not merit its own article because it was not released as a single and it has not been discussed in sufficient third-party sources as a notable song in its own right. Also, the "Description" section of the article for the album I'm Not Dead already has repeat of the text used to describe this song. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Alan - talk 23:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 00:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
2004 Hito Top 100 Singles
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Procedural nomination, article proposed for deletion after previously having prod contested.
Reason for proposed deletion was "no sources, no context"
Previous reason for contesting deletion was "Fix not destroy"
Hope this helps, Taelus (talk) 10:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Speedy keep WP:SOFIXIT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.188.242.125 (talk) 18:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment—This list doesn't bother to explain what it is about. But, based upon the introduction to a similar list 2005 Hito Top 100 Singles, it appears to be the product of a radio station, Hit Fm Taiwan. The importance of the list is unclear.—RJH (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. Zero sources. If this is some radio station's list of top 100 songs, it's hardly notable and there is nothing to indicate any kind of significance. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 15:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete Lists by individual radio stations aren't notable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 05:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
12 Inch Records
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Unreferenced stub on what appears to be a non notable record company signing non notable musicians. Does not assert its importance and notability. Distinct lack of solid sources, google hits show mosty 12 inch records in terms of size not the actual company. ‡ Himalayan ‡ 21:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete this is Poster Children's own record label, so there is some sensibility in redirecting to them, but most people would actually be looking for 12-inch single instead. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this record label. Joe Chill (talk) 21:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 02:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Neurodisc Records
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Unreferenced stub on what appears to be a non notable record company.Does not assert its importance and notability. Distinct lack of solid sources. ‡ Himalayan ‡ 22:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this record label. Joe Chill (talk) 15:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Basically sourceless, delete per nom. --Bejnar (talk) 02:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 22:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Sunset Nation
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- Delete. Non-notable band, fails all criteria at WP:BAND. WWGB (talk) 12:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete, a band with a demo, a "TBA" album, and a trumped up "controversy". Not notable. Hairhorn (talk) 12:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. The only significant coverage I could find was this, which also forms the basis for this Blabbermouth.net story.--Michig (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Object. Additional coverage found at here, here, here, and here. Band has released full length albums. No demos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcrik7 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Fullmetalrock has just a link to the band's MySpace, the others are fansites. If you can find anything significant in newspapers, print magazines, or professional websites, this would help to establish notability.--Michig (talk) 13:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- More coverage found in this static multimedia article here. And here in the LA times. Another in the OC Register. More on Euro News —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcrik7 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure whether Static Multimedia would be considered a reliable source, and again it just discusses the same one (non-)event. Others are just listings. Any live/record reviews, etc.? We need examples where people have written significantly about the band.--Michig (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- More coverage found in this static multimedia article here. And here in the LA times. Another in the OC Register. More on Euro News —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcrik7 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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*Oppose. Subject has seen coverage by the mainstream media, making it a notable article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikepacecho (talk • contribs)
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*Oppose. I think the coverage presented seems reasonable. MikeyJames15 (talk) 12:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. Doesn't seem to pass WP:MUSIC. XXX antiuser 13:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
*Keep this article. Subject has generated coverage from a reliable sources (News) as per the criteria at WP:BAND. TeamWorm (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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*Keep. Satisfies the criteria at WP:MUSIC and has reliable sources. KingHammer (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)— KingHammer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
*Allow. Seems to passWP:MUSIC. UtopiaGod (talk) 02:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)— UtopiaGod (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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The result was delete. Scott Mac (Doc) 20:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
MilkyTracker
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Delete. This article was deleted by way of AFD before, and a DRV endorsed later endorsed that deletion. Time passed, and someone rewrote the article without bringing it up before deletion review first, which I find odd (db-repost?) -- in any event, I am not seeing the non-trivial coverage that we would require for this or any other software application, especially one that has been deleted by community consensus. JBsupreme (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't have a particular problem with the new article being posted more than 2 years after the AFD, and it's clear that the author at least made an effort to add sources, a lack of sources being the reason for deletion in the first place. But the references offered here don't appear to do more than confirm that the software exists. Is there coverage in a reliable source that would show why this software is notable? I don't see it. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 19:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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Delete. All references are primary sources. Pcap ping 09:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Pcap ping 09:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Keep.When I wrote this article I did not know that there had previously been an article about Milkytracker on Misplaced Pages before. How does one find articles that have been deleted from Misplaced Pages? I do believe that this is notable software because it is the only AudioTracker for the PocketPC/WindowsMobile platform. Chipmusic, 8bit music etc. is a an emerging genre of electronic music, and at current, this is one of the premiere and most powerful programs for enabling this type of composition on various modern platforms. It has recently been included in many linux distributions. It is hard to think of any program of such significant capability for audio composition that will run on Windows, PocketPC, Mac OSX and Linux. I put the page up because there were dozens of links in other tracking articles referencing Milkytracker with no link. I have recreated some of the outside references, such as "Create Digital Music", I will add others as I find them. Obviously non-commercial software does not get the same kind of press that commercial and professionally promoted products do. Milkytracker has this in common with all open source software. Milkytracker is notable for several reasons: First it's the only tracking software for the PocketPC/Windows Mobile. Second, it's the most ported full fledged music creation application today. No other music creation application comes close to the software/platform support of Milkytracker. Third, it's the most accurate FastTracker experience one can experience outside of emulated environments without using legacy hardware. The demoscene/tracking scene may be underground, but it is legion. Milkytracker has been released, promoted, tested and used. It is actively developed and full featured. Youtube is filled with videos of songs and performances created with Milkytracker. It's a mature tracking environment with wide tracker community support. What is the benefit of removing useful information to penniless musicians from Misplaced Pages? I will be happy to make any suggested changes, I think it'd be a shame to delete an article referenced in so many others. Please give me some time and I will find more articles that reference it. Can someone tell me what kind of references Misplaced Pages is looking for? Every time I add a bunch of references they get deleted.DasKreestof (talk) 19:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Create Digital Music appears to qualify as WP:RS, even if barely ; it was noted by other computing publications, like PC World and PC Magazine and non-computing ones like Boing Boing and Popular Science. Pcap ping 19:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Keep. I have added additional academic paper references, and references from other magazines and sites. The references now total at 17. I read about Milkytracker first in a hard copy magazine, but I can't remember which one. This software is notable because it's the most widely ported music app, and no one here will be able to name another music application that has been ported to Windows, Linux, MacOS, PocketPC Amiga, and even sharp Zauros. In fact, I'll bet no one can name ANY app (not just music) that has been ported to so many platforms. It's true there aren't hundreds of articles in the Wall Street Journal about it, but that's true of all non-commercial software. It sets a bad precedent for wikipedia to deny coverage to anything that doesn't have significant commercial backing and press behind it, especially in an age where open source can become a source of liberation and innovation. This page has 17 references, a google search came back with 128,000 results; if you look at the page you'll see that it has a significant edit history (not including me) which means that it's clearly of interest to many individuals using wikipedia. It's also referenced in many other wikipedia articles. DasKreestof (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)- Keep. I zed zo, zo be it. 85.179.9.146 (talk) 15:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC) — 85.179.9.146 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Delete I do not see significant, non-trivial coverage. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 08:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm not that sure that Create Digital Music can be considered a reliable source. A somewhat glorified blog is still a blog, and being included into one of "the Top 100 Blogs We Love" and "the Top 100 Undiscovered Sites" by PC Magazine is hardly a dependable way of establishing reputation for fact-checking, accuracy and journalistic integrity. — Rankiri (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep I have managed to find an online review of this software at Orju.net, a site that is "geared towards electronic and computer based musicians". This software is special interest and finding mainstream media coverage is very difficult, however the software is widely known and is indeed notable in the Demoscene and is a popular application for creating music in the XM (file format). 82.69.1.239 (talk) 12:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was Delete
- The consensus would seem to indicate that regardless of whether the software is notable or not, the author of that software is not, as there is insufficient evidence at reliable sources. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Karsten Obarski
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Delete. This is, in effect, an unsourced WP:BLP article. There are lots of links and such, but most of them do not even substantiate any of the claims being made, and the remainder aren't really what one would or should consider reliable third party sources. JBsupreme (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable, and to boot, I don't think his greatest achievement, The Ultimate Soundtracker, is notable enough to warrant its own article. Angryapathy (talk) 19:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. Per above; nothing in Google's news archives either, and as mentioned, the links don't indicate notability, as far as WP:Note is concerned.—DMCer™ 20:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. The author of a pioneering musical program is surely notable. RFerreira (talk) 23:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but that is pretty weak as far as WP:RS is concerned. JBsupreme (talk) 05:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Weak delete. I don't think he passes WP:ANYBIO for Ultimate Soundtracker, itself a software hardly covered in any WP:RS. Fails WP:MUSIC by a mile so. The interview are all on obscure scene sites, too little for WP:GNG. Pcap ping 07:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Karsten Obarski was never notable composer but Ultimate Soundtracker was for sure notable software. At its time it was the most popular music editor on Amiga until it was replaced by more advanced NoiseTracker and ProTracker derivatives (which looked like SoundTracker but had different authors and more features. Later FastTracker and other even more advanced derivates appeared on the PC but it all started from the SoundTracker. SoundTracker modules were used in many demos and games at its time but mainstream (Amiga) magazines didnt pay much attention into it or into scene at all. The SoundTracker would for sure deserve its own wiki article but Obarski, well, the software is more famous than Obarski himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xorxos (talk • contribs) 01:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was Delete
- While not ignoring the 3 keep !votes, I note that this is (from those very same !votes) a newly named instrument with no real references available. The issue is not whether it exists (no one doubts this), or whether it should be covered somewhere - it is whether it meets the notability criteria for inclusion here - as someone said, Misplaced Pages is not a directory of everything that exists (or has existed). The comments here (both keep and delete) indicate that information is not verifiable from reliable sources, as this information is not available for such a new instrument. This being the case, I do not see that this subject meets the criteria for inclusion at this time. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 15:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Sonome keyboard
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Contested prod. Evidently non-notable invention from a non-notable inventor. While a tiny number of websites discuss this, there are zero gnews hits and zero relevant google books hits. This doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it isn't encyclopedic. tedder (talk) 05:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. I own two sonomes, both Axis-49s, and present information about them in my alternate-keyboard website MusicScienceGuy.vox.com (it's hosted on a blog for convenience, but don't be fooled) and was sufficiently motivated about their potential to contact the people involved and standardize names and start the ball rolling on these articles. I plan to expand this series of articles to cover all commonly used note-array keyboards, so people using Misplaced Pages can judge which is best for their needs. Note-array alternate keyboards are very new (the technology to make them has become affordable), but they offer profound advantages over standard keyboards and could become very popular. The reason the search hit rate is low is that we've just standardized on naming. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 06:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep as Xj said I own a Sonome keyboard myself: an Opal Chameleon invented by Peter Davies and built by him with electronics engineer Jim Wills. It's correct that these 'alternate keyboards are very new' but I don't think it's a good reason to delete this article from Misplaced Pages. —Iranief • contribs 07:37, 4 February 2010 — Iranief (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Comment the issue here isn't that they exist. The issue is if they meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines. Specifically, are there reliable and verifiable third-party sources discussing it? tedder (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Note that I have added strong evidence of notability in the links to some users of the system and in the Taxonomy of Realtime Interfaces for Electronic Music Performance article. Also, This is a new musical instrument - owners are busy learning how to play them and use them in novel way. The scholarly articles will appear in 2-5 years. I have a article proposal in to New Scientist, but that will take time to get published. Ken. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 17:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- CommentRegarding the PROD: The reason the sonome is not mentioned much in the web because I just recently got all the users of the novel keyboard together and got them to agree on a standard: sonome for the instrument, and harmonic table for the note-array layout. Before this, the names were all over the map. Imagine the confusion in the early days of the guitar when it was also known as a tanbur, setar and sitar, among other names. This is early in this instrument's life-cycle. Interest is increasing now that an affordable commercial unit is available. MusicScienceGuy (talk 23:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment As predicted, now that the sonome has become a standard, agreed upon term, the name is now popping up. Here is a link to a brand-new sonome, created in software. New mention. http://www.novation-launchpad.com/index.php/apps-software/launchpad-harmonic-table-controller/ - it is worth viewing. Is not a whole software application nontrivial? MusicScienceGuy (talk) 18:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment In case it is not clear, the term Sonome is the general term describing the class of instruments made by different companies which includes the Axis-64, Axis-49 and Chamelon MIDI controllers. These themselves are a category of hexagonal array keyboard instruments. Various forms of hexagonal array keyboard instruments have been around for over 100 years. The Sonome design has a particular layout and configuration and specific key size and shape that is especially useful. There are other examples of hexagonal keyboards which are not Sonomes. The Sonome is one of the first to actually be a commercial success, being available and widely used by musicians. Saying that there is no reliable third party discussion of these instruments is completely false. The people stating there is no coverage have either not properly researched this by following provided links, or have an ulterior motive for censoring these articles. Well regarded print and web publications such as electronic musician have covered them. Here is a link to an e-m web video covering a Sonome at the NAMM show. http://emusician.com/videos/events/c_thru_axis/. Here's one at Synthtopia http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2008/05/12/the-c-thru-music-axis-64-control-keyboard/ Xj (talk) 02:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is not a vote, and I could care less if you own one (or wish you did). If there aren't any reliable third party sources covering this subject in a non-trivial fashion then it belongs somewhere else, not here. JBsupreme (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Alan - talk 21:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The articles are designed to be highly accurate, peer-reviewed and useful to anyone trying to find information on alternative keyboards, hence the many hours of work that went into them. Does this not count? MusicScienceGuy (talk) 05:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment -- Whichever way this turns out, there are a whole set of related articles. Possibly a compromise would be to just add a small amount of this material on alternative keyboards to an established related article. Maurreen (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you Maurreen. Perhaps a compromise can be arranged. The whole area of alternate keyboards needs a review, and perhaps a new classification of "Tonal-Array keyboards" needs to be set up (Isomorphic keyboards are a subset of this). Another would be to just postpone the deletion by 6 months to a year, to allow the print world to catch up. This would give us (particularly myself) strong incentive to write the New Scientist article that has been suggested. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- MSG, in that case, a good way to do it would be to (a) put the article in your userspace (see WP:UFY) and move it back 'live' when it's ready. In the meantime, having a small subsection in an existing article would be appropriate. tedder (talk) 18:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Must Keep. This is a non-standard instrument that needs to be represented in an encyclopedia. Where else, if not here? I'm a composer, music professor and microtone aficionado, and while I don't own this instrument myself, I'm very tempted to buy one for my school, the Hamburg Hochschule für Musik und Theater. I'm organizing an international symposium in Boston (March 7 - 9, 2010), and one of the featured instruments will actually be a sonome!! Georghajdu (Georghajdu) 06:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The above is a live, realtime example of the value of these entries to Misplaced Pages users, especially researchers like Georg_Hajdu. The commercial sites are too focused on their own product to give background information and a good or unbyassed overview, just as the Stratocaster website doubtless does not have a decent overview of what a guitar is. A wikipedia entry supplies that vital information. Without the entry Dr. Hajdu would not have a way to know about the sonome class of instruments. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 00:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment There is a note that Iranief is a "Single-purpose account". Iranief is actually the pen name of Carlo Serafini, a very prominent composer in the microtonal music world. Don't judge by the fact he does not do much in Misplaced Pages. I consider it fortunate that I got his support. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 01:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. The sonome hasn't been around long enough for music academics to really take notice of it. There are no published theoretical stidies of it to source, and there are also no instructors of sonome playing. What there are is the websites of the companies that make the keyboards, and a handful of websites created by players and music students who have taken an interest in the harmonic table layout. A Google search of "sonome" will not turn up all of them, since the name was only recently settled-on by the playing community. The lack of sources available is because the sonome is new, not because it's unimportant or "unencyclopedic". I have been playing for 8 months and I wish they'd had these when I was younger! I think it's hypocritical to suggest "anyone can edit" Misplaced Pages if someone may be told they're wrong on the basis that their contribution isn't interesting enough. Complicated templates and nonsense words like "unencyclopedic" only serve to discourage non-academics from contributing perfectly good knowledge. Envergure (talk) 23:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Anyone can edit Misplaced Pages, but Misplaced Pages is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed. tedder (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per User:Envergure. They may not have meant to, but they have persuasively argued for this item's non-notability: "The sonome hasn't been around long enough for music academics to really take notice of it. There are no published theoretical stidies of it to source, and there are also no instructors of sonome playing. What there are is the websites of the companies that make the keyboards, and a handful of websites created by players and music students who have taken an interest in the harmonic table layout." In other words, there are no reliable sources and no significance yet. Georghajdu's !vote only argues that the current article may be effective as spam. — Gwalla | Talk 00:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Another academic citation has come up. Formerly they used the term axis, as they did not have generic name, whence it was missed by searches. Having read this article, they have switched to sonome(and that will be the standard name, I gather, henchforth). Axis + "bohlen-pierce" gives 7,760 hits, "axis-64" keyboard: 2,090 "axis-49" keyboard: 5,710 The sonome has also been reviewed by Sound-on-Sound and Music Tech magazines, to name a few. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 00:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Where's the citation? Are you confusing the term "google hits" with "academic citations"? See WP:RS for examples of reliable sources. tedder (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- The citation was added to the sonome article: about the upcoming Bohlen-Pierce Symposium. It is right after the Taxonony of Realtime Interfaces, and just before the list of researchers using the instrument. Google hits is, of course, not a substitute for academic citations. However, the google hit rate, given that we have just changed the name from Axis-something to the generic sonome was added as an indicator of the actual usage level of sonomes. MusicScienceGuy (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- sorry about removing the AFD - I was saving the article, and must have stripped it off the wrong one.MusicScienceGuy (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Re comments from Gwallas and User:Envergure; to put the record straight, it is not true that academics have not taken notice. To quote two examples, one sonome product, Axis, has been the subject of academic research since commercial availability in 2007: http://www.ziaspace.com/elaine/BP/Background.html. Georg Hajdo, professor of music, has known about it for some time under the name ‘Axis’. This article was not his introduction to the invention. Proof of his prior attention to it is in the Bohlen-Pierce Symposium: http://bohlen-pierce-conference.org/bohlen-pierce-instruments/ which he obviously didn’t organise overnight. Therefore the article does not constitute spam. This is the original isomorphic MIDI controller, first prototyped in 1991, pre-dating all the others: http://www.nonoctave.com/tuning/glossary.html#sonome Pd1950 (talk) 16:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Alpine New Wave
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Only 75 hits for this genre on Google and many of them seem to be the same 2 or 3 sites mirrored over and over. It seems to be more a neologism rather then a genre. Totally unreferenced and basically unchanged since 2005. Ridernyc (talk) 01:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - not a genre. smithers - talk 03:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
GoatTracker
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I can't find significant independent coverage for this software. Pcap ping 01:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 02:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Note: There are two PDFs given as references, but just because something appears in PDF format, it does make it a reliable source. One is from "SIDin Magazine", which describes itself as "A Sid paper magazine for Sid people!" and at the bottom has "Wants to contribute? e-mail me." The other is a tutorial from The C64 scene database, a site with user-contributed contents. It also appears in a book from Alphascript Publishing (no editorial control), and that appears to be a rip off Misplaced Pages; see . Pcap ping 04:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. I have no idea if "SIDin Magazine" is qualified as a reliable source but I am going to guess it isn't. JBsupreme (talk) 05:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- For all practical purpose is a WP:SPS. The article is authored by Stefano Tognon, the same guy that edits the magazine. The magazine was cited in a footnote here, but that doesn't seem enough to make it a WP:RS. The SIDin articles are written in pretty bad English, so they're rather useless... Pcap ping 09:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Stumbled upon this while looking through different tracker pages, it's definitely notable and useful. Shii (tock) 23:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Jayjg 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The Beatles Complete On Ukulele
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Non-notable. Some third-party references, but several of them are non-notable (e.g. Blogspot blogs.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this music project. Joe Chill (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete: ,,If and when it is notable ..we can re-make the article then...Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. Surely articles in such major publications as Metro and the New York Post, as listed in the article, qualify as the "significant coverage" needed.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep - Some of the sources are blogs, but others, such as the NY Post article, are significant and appropriate to demonstrate notability. Rlendog (talk) 04:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep - article needs work, but the NY Post article qualifies as significant coverage. Regards, Arbitrarily0 12:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 23:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer)
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Unsourced BLP, previously prod'd. Extant externs and ref are not about the person, they are about the music (and one extern is 404). Delete as inappropriate for inclusion. Jack Merridew 22:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- adding Yasuhiro Abe (producer). Cheers, Jack Merridew 18:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. No reliable sources address him, appears to fail music, bio, creative, etc...Bali ultimate (talk) 22:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Delete No way does this article pass. WP:MUSIC? no! WP:BIO? no! Coverage from third-party sources? fail...although the Billboard inline citation does suggest verifability...but notabilty? not suggested, so delete--Me 23:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)(banned user)- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Meets WP:MUSIC #5 by having released two or more (in this case, at least five) albums from a major label, EMI =
keep. If someone could mine the Oricon site (I always get tangled up in the search results, or I'd do it myself) for citations, this can be trivially verified. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)- Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) (阿部靖広) article discography is in the fact part of the one of Yasuhiro Abe (安部恭弘). Completely confusing & misleading really. --KrebMarkt 20:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Gah, you're right about utter mess. For the moment, retaining that keep for Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) based on WP:MUSIC. Will try to untangle my thoughts on the other two later. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- The evidence of diff an editor screwed up the article in response to a PROD. --KrebMarkt 09:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Gah, you're right about utter mess. For the moment, retaining that keep for Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) based on WP:MUSIC. Will try to untangle my thoughts on the other two later. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, on further investigation, while Yasuhiro Abe initially appears to be prolific under both of his hats, he was not the main composer for most of those albums (or any at all?). The bar for producer has not been codified for producers, but I should be significantly higher than that for performer -- surely, at least, producing some actual hits -- and his activities do not seem to have reached that level. So, I'm reversing that keep and saying delete Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) and adding to that delete for Yasuhiro Abe (producer). —Quasirandom (talk) 14:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) (阿部靖広) article discography is in the fact part of the one of Yasuhiro Abe (安部恭弘). Completely confusing & misleading really. --KrebMarkt 20:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - as policy apparently sees this as a keep (see above), I'll go per WP:IAR. The albums this guy released aren't what I think the music policy cited above is about, they're not significant at all (cf. the lack of sources) even if released with a big label. User:Krator (t c) 14:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Utter mess There are two BLP articles for the very same person Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) and Yasuhiro Abe (producer).
- Findings:
- CDs where this BLP composed at least one track and which ranked in charts:APDA-270RZCD-45055RZCD-45050SRCL-5376SRCL-5439AVCD-30616MECR-1054AVCD-30616MECR-1054SRCL-6300AVCD-23026AVCD-31146TKCA-73171TKCA-73321. Click on " >>> ランキングデータへ" to view ranking + week(s) in charts.
- Full list of CDs:here
- --KrebMarkt 15:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Good catch; I've added the alternate version of the article to this discussion. Cheers, Jack Merridew 18:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- This a big mess not only we have 2 x Yasuhiro Abe (阿部靖広) article here in AfD but we have also a notable Yasuhiro Abe (安部恭弘) that i just have added 19 refs. That's clearly a trap to exhaust editors looking for sources and coverages. --KrebMarkt 20:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Good catch; I've added the alternate version of the article to this discussion. Cheers, Jack Merridew 18:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Findings:
- Double down delete. Both Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) and Yasuhiro Abe (producer) need to go. JBsupreme (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- If anyone wondered about my position on this one, i'm for Delete both Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) and Yasuhiro Abe (producer). Yasuhiro Abe (阿部靖広) has composed in a dozen of CDs but he was rarely the main composer thus he can't be credited the merit of those CDs eventually making it into the charts. Had Yasuhiro Abe (阿部靖広) been the main composer of a slew of CDs that made it into the charts i could have voted keep but this is clearly not the case. --KrebMarkt 09:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Well, this is certainly unusual. Two people, same name, same country, both musicians, one notable, one not. Confusing for sure, but there you go. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- cmt whatever the outcome, very diligent work kreb. If i understand, one of this is a fork? That one should just be speedy deleted.Bali ultimate (talk) 15:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. Whatever it's keep or delete, i try to get of full picture of situation before voting.
- On this case i'm still in disbelief because the Yasuhiro Abe (video game composer) and Yasuhiro Abe (producer) were created on the very same day the April 11, 2008 with one hour of interval between the two creations.
- The most confusing part is due to a botched PROD rescue by a indef blocked user who replaced the non notable Yasuhiro Abe (阿部靖広) discography with one chunk from the notable Yasuhiro Abe (安部恭弘). That's kind of move is near-criminal. --KrebMarkt 15:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Slightly confused here, if both articles are essentially about the same damn thing, wouldn't a merger be in order? -- Jelly Soup (talk) 03:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Kevin (talk) 02:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Hamid Golestani
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fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. 1 hit in gnews LibStar (talk) 23:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete I can't find much reliable coverage about him either. There may be sources out there that are inaccessible due to our systemic bias, so I'd be open to a change of mind if anybody could find some. ThemFromSpace 15:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I found this which led me to this. The album is published by ARC Music. Not sure of the notability of this label, but it is a specialist music publisher for ethnic music. I looked up the album on Allmusic and there is a review there that specifically covers Hamid Golestani's part in the album. I suspect that he is notable, and we are looking at an issue of Misplaced Pages:Systemic bias here. -- Whpq (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- if he had a well cited article in another language I would not have nominated this. LibStar (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Unsure. I sure hate for the nominator (or our community as a whole) to be accused of systemic bias... What options do we have if there aren't any good sources available? JBsupreme (talk) 21:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)- Delete. I've made a fair effort to find sources for this individual and cannot find much more than a track listing for an album he was involved in. That is not enough to substantiate a WP:BLP article by any means. Feel free to drop me a line if sources are somehow magically found. JBsupreme (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. Only the one album on ARC, I would give him benefit of the doubt if there were at least two albums, that would satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Nothing systematic or biased about it; regardless of color or creed, he doesn't meet the guideline. Wine Guy~Talk 03:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 02:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Hiroshi Watanabe (musician)
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Entirely unsourced blp (i don't see a link to a primary source website as a reliable source at all) without an assertion of notability even on a video game musician. Part of an extensive walled garden of similiar unsourced blps. Was deprodded by an ip who couldn't demonstrate notability or reliably source it either. Bali ultimate (talk) 12:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Comment well that's not right, is it, a primary source is decent but doesn't demonstrate notability. however, at first glance at this, i will sugggest that kompakt is an important label and releasing records on it is not to be sneezed at (and probably generates coverage). 86.44.33.121 (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of charting, no evidence of significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: kompakt appears to be the sort of "important" indie label that is the sort that meets WP:MUSIC #5. If this can be confirmed, then he would be presumptively notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I never liked that criteria. Just releasing is weak. When you consider the number of "one hit wonders" out there, if you release 2 albums and still can't chart anything, that makes you look even less notable to me. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete. Insufficient sourcing to establish notability. --DAJF (talk) 01:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. It seems that this DJ is primarily know by the stagename Kaito, but even using that name I don't find enough to meet WP:MUSICBIO. I'm still uncertain of the notability of Kompakt, and his bio on their site makes bogus claims of charting on the US Billboard club play chart; Billboard disagrees. Wine Guy~Talk 02:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- That does not give me the warm fuzzies regarding the label's status, I have to say. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 12:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Caddy Cad
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Unreferenced (the 4 references are promotional) BLP article in which the only claims to notability are "hosting parties" and "extensive radio airplay". One Google News hit implies he was an MC at an event once - that isn't enough to establish notability. Frank | talk 17:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete 13,000 hits on Yahoo--but unfortunately, none of them are very good. Blueboy96 19:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- page creator requesting a return to PROD/AFD/Improve status' - as administrator StephenBuxton suggestion (in history of article) csd declined - small amount of notability stated( award); unreferenced, so suggest PROD/AFD/Improve) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Songofsongsthecomicbook (talk • contribs) 11:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
- WP:PROD was tried and rejected. This page is the AFD referred to. You are free to improve the article at any time in an attempt to avoid deletion. Citations from reliable sources would be helpful; the article still has none. Frank | talk 14:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete Insufficient notability to meet guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:MUSICBIO. TheJazzDalek (talk) 13:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:MUSICBIO. The article helps to explain: emceeing at events such the Labour of Love which "draws anywhere from 8,000 to 10,000 clubbers each year"; the link shows Caddy Cad among 30+ acts for this event. A single, notable emcee will draw that many in a weekend. Wine Guy~Talk 08:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 12:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
List of musical artists from Japan
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Delete. Here lies yet another indiscriminate list which clearly violates WP:NOT. I have a wheelbarrow here full of WP:TROUT for anyone who disagrees. JBsupreme (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- Delete as article fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Armbrust Contribs 22:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Could someone please explain why this topic wouldn't be prime material for a list? —Quasirandom (talk) 03:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Perfectly fine list, with clear inclusion criteria (IE - not indiscriminate). Works hand-in-hand with WP:CLN. Lugnuts (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- In using the word "indiscriminate", we aren't saying that the description is vague. Instead, it's a matter of whether there is information to between one musical artist from Japan and another musical artist from Japan. My feeling is that lists should be able to impart at least some information about the significance of a blue linked name; by analogy, List of Presidents of the United States would have clearly defined criteria for inclusion, but would be uninformative without some information to separate them (such as when they served in office). In this case, even a one word mention as to whether they're classical artists, pop music, etc. would be feasible. Mandsford (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, this is a pretty good example of an Index of articles as defined on WP:LIST, and comparable to others in the linked category. And as noted above, WP:CLN explicitly says that lists and categories are complementary (if I have the right spelling of that). —Quasirandom (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- In using the word "indiscriminate", we aren't saying that the description is vague. Instead, it's a matter of whether there is information to between one musical artist from Japan and another musical artist from Japan. My feeling is that lists should be able to impart at least some information about the significance of a blue linked name; by analogy, List of Presidents of the United States would have clearly defined criteria for inclusion, but would be uninformative without some information to separate them (such as when they served in office). In this case, even a one word mention as to whether they're classical artists, pop music, etc. would be feasible. Mandsford (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, this meets all relevant guidelines for a Index of articles as defined by WP:LIST, including having well-defined, discriminate guidelines for inclusion, and as such is a valid stand-alone list. That adds up to keep for me. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep The "discriminate" is having articles in Misplaced Pages-- how many of the possible artists is that-- 1% perhaps. That would certainly not be indiscriminate. DGG ( talk ) 05:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 01:07, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Definitely not indiscriminate. Qualifies as an index of articles under WP:LIST. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 01:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Of course, my argument relies on the need to remove those (very few) red links present in the list. I think musicians should only be listed here if they have an article currently. (The alternative fix is to make stubs for them after verifying they meet WP:ENT or similar.) --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 01:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- DELETE I'm inclined to agree with JBsupreme on this one. It doesn't pass WP:LIST it has no lead section, doesn't provide any useable information regarding the artists on the list (only wikilinks to their articles). Here's a great test to see if a list is worthy of inclusion or not. Could it be replaced by a Category? If yes then the list doesn't pass WP:LIST and should be deleted. If it actually adds information and value above and beyond what creating a category then it potentially has a brighter future. Nefariousski (talk) 01:28, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment There's an interesting point here: I would disagree that it can be replaced by a category for the simple reason that there's too many articles. It's still not indiscriminate but it is a lot. The list can (and does) show these entries in a way no category could: In a well-formatted manner all on one page. This is, in fact, another point at WP:LISTPURP. I do agree that there should be a lede section, but this is something that can be fixed. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 07:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. Looks like a perfectly valid list. Again, categories, lists, and navigation templates are three different ways to group and organize articles. The grouping of articles by one method neither requires nor forbids the use of the other methods for the same informational grouping. — Rankiri (talk) 00:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep and improve by including the type of music and perhaps some other useful information. This list is clearly acceptable per WP:LISTS. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete under WP:CSD#A7 as this list lacks any verifiable source to identify it as being suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, let alone a verifiable defintion to demonstrate that this is, in some way, a culturally significant cross-categorization. This list fails the basic principle that Misplaced Pages is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 17:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I doubt that this criterion applies to lists, but even if it does, most of the list's entries have Misplaced Pages articles and considered sufficiently notable by the standards of WP:N. — Rankiri (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Also, "Japanese musicians" is not a culturally significant categorization? I beg to differ. — Rankiri (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Even if this is a culturally significant categorization, there is no verfiable evidence in the form of citations or a externally soourced defintion to support this premise. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 09:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but your argument it preposterous. If you have doubts that Japanese musical professionals are culturally significant, try searching for their coverage on Google News and Google Books. You can also take a look at , as well as the inclusion guidelines of WP:SAL#Lists of people. — Rankiri (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Perfectly valid list, certainly not indiscriminate. Edward321 (talk) 01:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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