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{{helpme}} Copyright–silent Sites: Is there a policy or guideline or essay or something which gives (in reference to the WP:ELNEVER prohibition on linking to sites which violate copyright) guidance on how to evaluate a site which:

• which uses material which obviously does not belong to the site owner, but
• which is totally silent about whether or not the site has the right to use it?

I'm not seeking to further an argument with anyone nor gore an ox, I'm just trying to figure out what to do and not do. --TransporterMan (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Are you talking about websites or Misplaced Pages articles? m.o.p 18:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you hadn't already referred to it, I would have referred to WP:ELNEVER! If the material obviously does not belong to the site owner, we can't link to it, as it is a known copyright violation. For the latter case, there is no hard and fast rule - if you believe that the work is the original work of the site owner, link to it, if not don't! If in doubt, I'd say leave it out - but of course, it may be possible to contact the website owner and get clarification from them. Realistically, each of these need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and as far as I am aware, there is no guidance on evaluating such sites.

Perhaps if you gave specific examples, we can give more relevant advice - I'm assuming it's to do with Sky Ride? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for replying. I'm talking about the propriety of links in an External Links section of a Misplaced Pages article to non-Misplaced Pages webpages which use material which they obviously did not create (e.g. historic photographs) but on which they do not say one way or another whether the images are public domain or whether or how the site has obtained the right to use the material. And, yes, the link I added at Sky Ride to raised the question, but I'm more concerned about learning the principle than getting a ruling on that particular link. TransporterMan (talk) 18:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

As I say, it's really on a case-by-case basis. I'd say that that particular link would be unsuitable as it's a link to a forum - which are not generally reckoned to be reliable sources of information, as anyone (usually) can register and leave comments -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you again. TransporterMan (talk)

Knoxville Transporter Bridge

If you read this edit on the Sky Ride talk page and saw the discussion about the Knoxville, Tennessee, transporter bridge/aerial tramway, you might be interested in knowing that it was probably in use for only 3-4 months at the most (and perhaps as little as 2) before it broke down, killed someone, and never reopened due to the resulting lawsuits, per this account (be sure to read the comments at the end of the article). TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your third opinion!

Thanks for weighing in on pleonasm! At this point, I'll let it sit. If the other user changes his mind and agrees to remove the quote, that'd be great; if not, I'll let it sit there until some other editor comes by (maybe after Aladdin Sane and I have forgotten all about this) and they can make the call.

I appreciate your help!

--Narsil (talk) 17:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

3O at List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters

Hi, we edit conflicted when both trying the give the 3O at the above article. All yours, but I tossed in an opinion anyway. Jim Miller 17:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Neirr article

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3O Award

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Eddie Van Halen

See talk. Note please identify the points I made, which were from a neutral standpoint. Signature:--Rickens (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Please don't repost

Please read the post and don't repost it! Thanks. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll send you an e-mail. You simply got caught up in bigger picture by accident. You did nothing wrong for being lost in something you didn't and couldn't know about. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll look forward to your email. TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Sent via wikipedia mail. Take care, --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

3O - back off outsiders danger zone

That's a hostile response to someone not on the 3O list offering a third opinion! That wikiproject needs to come with a warning. I'll offer to go keel over. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 21:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Huh? TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

IP, as I said in email, not hostile at all, just cleanup and very glad you jumped in. Glad you're joining us at WP:3O. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

This edit. I read about the 3O on the board, added a third opinion, and you closed the request for a third opinion, because a third editor was involved in the dispute! --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Swansea

Hi. As you will see from the Talk:Swansea page, there's a little controversy brewing. I didn't realise, when I entered the great Monopoly debate, that there was already a request in for a third opinion. Please could you review the situation and find a "truly independent" third party to satisfy User:Welshleprechaun? Deb (talk) 15:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion removed

If I cant get a third opinion, what would be another option to resolve this type of dispute? Dan56 (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

See WP:DR, especially the items below Third Opinion in the box on the right–hand side. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 07:43, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

And there is always WP:STICK, too. TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 07:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Union City, New Jersey

Thanks for your imput on above page. I have made suggestion which addresses the smaller issue in the wider context of the entire section/article. If you have a moment.Djflem (talk) 19:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, but it would be inappropriate for me to comment on new proposals. Having opined, the rest, I fear, is up to you and the other editors of that article. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 20:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for the 'apparent vandalism'. This is a shared computer. The individual will be severely reprimanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.113.92 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Sherlock Holmes, 2010

A very happy 156th birthday to Mr. Sherlock Holmes. I hope these greetings find you still well supplied with royal jelly and thus in the best of health. Please give my warm greetings to Dr. Watson. Your most humble servant, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 20:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Latent semantic analysis

Thanks! That's an excellent way to responsed to a 3PO. Is that a template you used? --Ronz (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, one of several I've developed or modified for my 3O work. They're here. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank You

_{Moved to Talk:Michael_Scofield#Death. TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)}

Natalia Brasova

Thank you for your opinion on Natalia Brasova. Pevernagie (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Misuse of the Third Opinion Template

_{Moved to User_talk:Dgarq#Misuse_of_3O_Third_Opinion_Template TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 15:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)}

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Regarding Kundalini Syndrome

Hello TransporterMan, First of all, thank you for being a good Wikipedian. This message is in response to your reply as Third Opinion on the Kundalini syndrome article. As you have pointed out, I checked the books (hard copy) and couldn't find a proper reference to the phenomenon of Kundalini syndrome in these books see proof. So all I wanted in a clarification: What happens to an article, if it is provided with wrong citations. I presume, the best that can happen is, it will be tagged with please provide citations. But what happens if there are no citations (for over 3 years)? Should't the article be deleted? Please provide me with your inputs since I am relatively new to the world of a good WIkipedian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debnathsandeep (talk • contribs) 04:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced articles can definitely be deleted, see the 5th and 6th bullet points at WP:DEL#REASON. Deletion of the article can be proposed at WP:AFD, following the instructions set out there. Please note that I am only commenting about the standards and the process; I express no opinion of any kind about how those standards or that process might apply to Kundalini Syndrome or any other specific article or discussion. Please remember to sign all your posts with four tildes: ~~~~. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 16:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi TRANSPORTERMAN. Thanks for your good work. Could you also take a look at the page for Kundalini Yoga, which at the bottom ] also uses many of these same sources (copy-pasted?) as from the Kundalini syndrome page -- sources which are unreferenced. Therefore, can these sections which related entirely to stuff from the Kundalini syndrome page be legitimately deleted? Additionally, these un-cited cross references raise confusion and give the implication that Kundalini yoga and Kundalini syndrome are somehow directly related, even if a more thorough read will inform that they are only associated directly by name.--Fatehji (talk) 09:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

My Third Opinion (i.e. this one) was in fact given in reference to Talk:Kundalini_yoga not Kundalini. However: Because of paragraph #3 of my personal standards as a Third Opinion Wikipedian it would be inappropriate for me to issue an additional opinion in Kundalini_Yoga, and because of both that opinion and certain subsequent dealings I had with one of the editors involved in that dispute, it would also be inappropriate under paragraph #2.b. of those standards. Let me suggest that you re-list this new dispute at WP:3O for some other Third Opinion Wikipedian to address or perhaps adopt some other form of dispute resolution. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 20:29, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for your 3O on Talk:The True Furqan. --SJK (talk) 22:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleting request for third party opinion

about your removal of a request for 3rd Opinion for reasons : edit war , incivility

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		Best message to a new user I've seen, ever ] Gerard 17:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

<Blush> Thank you, very much, indeed. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 18:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

3O

Hey. Just to let you know, an edit you made came up at the 3O talk page. — HelloAnnyong 22:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

3rd opinion

It looks like you volunteer a good bit of your time to keep the third opinion option maintained for all of us Wikipedians. I don't know you, but I do appreciate your efforts. If I investigated more about your history, I suspect you would more-than-deserving of a barnstar or three. For now, I offer my simple nod of appreciation. Cheers! BigK HeX (talk) 18:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 19:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for offering your third opinion on Talk:Aqua (band)#Danish-Norwegian or just Danish?. I'm hoping that the dispute is now closer to being resolved. Heaika (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, very much. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 15:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

For your work on Third opinion

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