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Well, where I am there are still 2 plus hours left of National Pig Day, so you're welcome to launch a Pierpont Bacon article for this year's challenge. Otherwise, there are 365 days until next year's event. :) The existing article on Bacon Academy look pretty well established, unless you think you can fatten it up 5x? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cudahy Packing Company

This made me think of you

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hitler bacon, on the cusp of deletion, but it apparently exists and has an interesting backstory.--Milowent (talk) 14:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Sky Attacker/Bacon WikiCup 2010

• User:Sky Attacker/Bacon WikiCup 2010

Let's not make changes to the scoring methodology in the very last time period of this contest. Cirt (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreement on this, from Drmies (talk · contribs) . Cirt (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right, but Superhamster and I did discuss the scoring on his talkpage. My feeling was that this work is so much more important than that carried out in the WikiCup competition that the scoring should be adjusted appropriately. If the extra zeros are a major problem I can revert. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Drmies (talk · contribs) and I both disagree. This change might have merit, but should not be done at this very late stage in the event. Cirt (talk) 20:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, no worries. It didn't affect the actual scoring, just how large the numbers are, but if you and Doc object I will yield. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. No worries, Cirt (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, no worries. You have to appreciate, though, that I care about grade inflation from a professional standpoint. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

To investigate (merge somehwere?)

User:ChildofMidnight/My Jewel ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Workshop talk

Hello. I don't know if you've seen this Workshop talk page. I think it would help your case if you made some type of considered response there, even if it's just to say that you've noted the discussion. Jonathunder (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Honestly, I don't know where to begin in addressing all the smears, lies, distortions, hypocrisy, policy violations, conflicts of interest, and other issues related to that monstrosity. Harassment, baiting, and trolling are certainly at the core of the problem. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I've read the discussion. It's nice to see some of the usual good faith editors seeking solutions when difficulties arise. And then there other characters involved whose actions give me cause to avoid any involvement in that circus. It is a good demonstration of just how unhealthy Misplaced Pages is at the mo. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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Just dropping by

Hi there ChildofMidnight. I saw that LadyofShalott userfied Mermaid problem for you, which is perfectly fine with me. I was just wondering, is there any reason you didn't ask me? Generally, people ask the deleting admin for this sort of thing, so I wondered if there might be a backstory. I didn't do anything to make you avoid me, did I? NW (Talk) 23:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No reason at all Nuke. In this instance it just didn't occur to me for some reason, and perhaps because LadyofShalott had specifically offered to move articles for me (at least I think she did) I went to her first. If you check her talk page you'll see I asked her about a couple of other deleted articles also.

Asking the admin who closed the AfD has usually been the way I do it and usually that works out just fine. I've had a couple of occasions where someone has been antagonistic or ignored the request, but I think it's probably a good idea to approach things that way. In this case, as I said, I just asked her because she had offered, and it wasn't even something I thought about, she just seemed like a good person to ask. :) I'm not even sure about recreation or how best to handle those articles (the one you closed and a couple others). I haven't even had a chance to review them much yet, and I don't think I was involved in any of the AfD discussions so they're all new subject to me. I saw them noted in various other places, the food and drink website, Milowent's website, and ummm not sure on the other one.

Anyway, I hadn't done a request for userfication in a while, so I guess I just forgot the routine. I do think the last time I requested one the admin gave me a hard time and forced me to take it DRV, which was seemed like an unnecesairly confrontational route since it was something I just wanted userfied so I could give it consideration, so maybe subconsciously that's why I didn't think to look who closed the AfD, but truly it was not intentional or conscious and it most certainly didn't have anything to do with you, who've I've found to be collegial and respectful even on occasions where we disagree (which is how it should be and how other admins I respect (like LoS) handle themselves. And it's not even a case where I necessarily disagree with the outcome. I just wanted the opportunity to see what was there and if any of it could be useful. But I think you're question is spot on and that it's best to ask the closing admin and I will try to remember to do so in the future. How are things with you? I hope all is well. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Things have been going pretty well for me. Bit busy, but that's life, ain't it? :) If I remember correctly, the Great Bacon Challenge 2010 was just held, right? How did that end up going? NW (Talk) 00:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It went well Nuke. A little muddy this year, but I don't think anyone minded frolicking in the slop. :) Many articles went up during the challenge, several DYKs ran yesterday for National Pig Day and a bunch more of tardy ones are working there way through the queue now. We had a lot more participants this time, lots of photo uploads, Cirt worked up some GAs (which was a first), and there was a Bacon Wiki Cup that's still being scored (results are due after the 7th), so it's been pretty neat.

There's a link at the top of this page if you want to have a look. And I set up a page for the next challenge (which starts immediately) if you want to beat the rush and get in early. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

You aren't going by NW because of the Nuke thing are you? I think it's a nice name. The ultimate deterrent. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Cirt pulling these GAs out of his hat. Another nice example of administrator abuse--they should stick some of those little green labels on my articles. Oh, the tardy ones, yes that's me. Sorry again. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I think NW is trying out for N.W.A. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"Good" is not an adjective I would use in connection with any article about Claw Boys Claw, that advertorial for some Shakespearean newsletter you're trying to hype, or those spammy advertorials for imitation bacon substances. And why are you the only one trying to push bacon boundaries with these Yankee elitist "Bacons"? Tsk tsk tsk. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Dude, they were abolitionists! You should be proud of me, overcoming my racist heritage! And the Shakespearean newsletter is actually an anti-Shakespearean newsletter, since one of their kin proposes that Mary Sidney wrote what we mainstream idiots think of as written by "Shakespeare." Drmies (talk) 05:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"His attitudes toward African-Americans was described as "patronizing...at best". (And it should be his attitudes were, but that's what happens when there are no standards or competition in public education).

It may be noble that he and the Kennedy clan were ahead of their time in wanting servants rather than slaves for their massive mansions, but my standards are higher than that separate but equal stuff that passes for okay down on the plantation and out in the Hamptons. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

<--Why are you singling out the Kennedys? Why not keep it modern and mention that great southern statesman Trent Lott? or Wallace, who actually claimed that he was cool cause he had a black friend? Anyway, let's keep it real: I made lardons out of salt pork tonight, for a wilted salad. Now, the smell of salt pork cooking isn't very good--but those lardons, with a warm vinaigrette, man it was good...dare I say it? better than bacon. I just said it. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of James W. McLaughlin

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Barnstar

I note the same regular suspects put Hitlerszalonna up for deletion, ignoring WP:BEFORE. *sigh*

Thanks very much. Milowent deserves most of the credit. Malleus helped also. Nyttend gave the article a chance. And even LoS got in on the action. :) It still needs some work... but hopefully we can get some Huns to have a look. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning up bare URLs

Thank you for adding description to the bare URLs on Hitlerszalonna. Note, though, that it is best to give as much information as possible when replacing a bare URL, including author, title, publication, date, etc. if available, as well as the URL. That way the reference may still be tracked down and used for verification if the original page moves or is taken off the web. See also Misplaced Pages:Linkrot. Cheers, Cnilep (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Roger, roger. Unfortunately it's not a quality link to begin with, but I thought it worth including anyway. We need to track down some Huns to help with that article. Thanks for the courteous note. I will try to better. :) I half-expected that link to get removed anyway, so I didn't want to spend a whole lot of time on it. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that's why I didn't bother cleaning any of them. I've done that one now. Cnilep (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

User:ChildofMidnight/Mermaid problem

Ooh. You merging, or fixing up for recreation?

TBH I was a bit miffed by that deletion, seeing as WP:OR was a reason given for deletion I'd just added sources showing it wasn't. Artw (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know exactly how to proceed, but I thought there was a better chance of the material being usefully reincluded if I at least stowed it in my userspace. :) What do you think should be done with it? The synthesis concern seems valid to me, but the content is well sourced and interesting. I'm not sure yet quite what to do with it and am open to ideas. :) I also haven't had a chacne to look into the article extensively yet. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

TBH I think any article recreation is going to be so heavily opposed it's not worth doing - salvaging the lede and merging it into the main mermaid article might be worthwhile though. Artw (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I asked Malleus what he thinks. So hopefully he and perhaps his talkpage stalkers will weigh in. Merging some bits to Mermaid is one way to go. Is there a broader subject that would work? Conundrums in mythology? :) I'm going to think on it, but if you or anyone else have your own ideas and want to run with it please be my guest. I think anything that preserves the history and includes more of the content appropriately would be helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles like this gem from 1947 might be of some help. Amusingly, the headline above the copy says "Problem That Is Facing 16 Nations In Western Europe" but it's quite obvious that the headline got swapped with the James Marlow story about the Marshall Plan on the same page. Personally, I think the OR claims were slightly overblown but I'd be more likely to suggest review if the term was more widespread. - Dravecky (talk) 23:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thomas, Bob (December 30, 1947). "Problem: How to Create a Mermaid". The Owosso Argus-Press. Associated Press. Retrieved March 2, 2010.

An option would be to rework the article as: Mermaid morphology. I started an article on mythological conundrum, and some of it might fit there, but the new article is a bit of a mess so far. :) I'll add that cite to the article in userspace so it's not lost. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I did some brainstorming with Malleus and Iridescent. They didn't seem to think it had much potential. But my thoughts so far are that it may be possible to have an article on:

• mermaid morphology
• mythological animal morphology
• Anatomy of mythological creatures

or to integrate into the mess of an article on Mythological conundrums I created. (I think there may be a subject there somewhere with sources, but I haven't found it yet). So it's an uphill effort so far, but I'm hoping that a great inspiration will arise in an epiphany or, better yet, someone else will come up with a good idea? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Climate change denial

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This seems to have been nominated because climate alarmism was deleted. It's sunny and mild here (not that I've been outside as much as I should). I've been been working on other subjects. But if anyone wants to bang their head against a wall, good luck dealing with the propagandists ruling that subject area. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

architect infobox

If you do anymore architect bios you can use this infobox -- 114.182.186.52 (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal has begun

The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal was started on the 22nd Feb, and it runs for 28 days. Please note that the existing CDA proposal was (in the end) run as something of a working compromise, so CDA is still largely being floated as an idea.

Also note that, although the RfC is in 'poll format' (Support, Oppose, and Neutral, with Comments underneath), this RfC is still essentially a 'Request for Comment'. Currently, similar comments on CDA's value are being made under all three polls.

Whatever you vote, your vote is welcome!

Regards, Matt Lewis (talk) 10:33, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas D. McLaughlin

Thanks Gato. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo requests?

I'm to be travelling for a couple days to Bloomington, Indiana, with a likely stop in Rushville to photograph the house of Wendell Willkie. I don't know the way that I'll be coming back, but I may be able to go through Franklin or Shelbyville. Any photo requests? As usual, can't promise anything in the smaller communities, but I'll likely have plenty of time in Bloomington. Nyttend (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Here are some "walking tours" for Bloomington. For instance here's the courthouse square one. I can't think of any architects from there and didn't come across any in a quick search. But those sources seem useful for building groupings and include maps. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks; I just got online for the first time. I got some of the Bloomington NRHP listings when I was here in November, including the courthouse square, so I didn't go over there today; instead, I walked this route and then around campus a good deal. Any wonder why my feet are tired now? I'm hoping to get out to other parts of the city before we leave tomorrow; maybe I'll get over by the courthouse again. Nyttend (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, schedule changed: I was in Bloomington with a family member who had meetings there; the meetings finished last night instead of this morning, meaning that we left early this morning — thus (1) I didn't have time to get pictures in Bloomington this morning, and (2) we had time to take a detour to downtown Greenville, Ohio and get some pictures there, including the old Carnegie library. Photos will be up in the next day or two. Nyttend (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Bacon Deluxe

Hey, no problem... I liked the article - made me feel a bit hungry... :-) GregorB (talk) 18:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

To do

My search for answers has taken me far afield... Here are some notes.

Harry Wachter's buildings on pages 50, 65, and 83 (The Cratz House) are interesting. I can't find anything on Charles Crosby Miller despite his supposedly designing all the major buildings in Toledo (or some such thing).

I've discovered that Hungarian architecture has no article and Architecture of Hungary redirects to categories (which seems unhelpful).

Some photos I came across suggest Imre Makovecz and Odon Lechner (1845-1914) have done some interesting work. Here's aninteresting church by the former. And if anyone is wondering what this has to do with bacon, please don't forget Szalonna, the town and the bacon. And in fact it's the double pitched roof in the town photo that has sent me on this insane quest... ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• traditional buildings with double-pitched rooflines
• And in case there's an Austro-Hungarian connection there's Friedensreich Hundertwasser

John Virginius Bennes

Although I've not left a comment at T:TDYK, someone else likely will: the article is too short. By my count, the article currently has 1456 characters of prose text — as you may remember, text in the lists doesn't count toward the total. Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to add something about him being very very very very etc. notable. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes at St. John's Church, especially the comment; I should have thought to say something about the architectural style in the intro. You may also be interested in Holy Family Catholic Church (Frenchtown, Ohio), which I just finished a little bit ago. Nyttend (talk) 01:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in my picture of the Cornelius Hotel in Portland. You can find my answer on my page to keep the discussion together. --Eaaumi (talk) 01:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Bennes also credited with Broadway Hotel , ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• Source with list of Portland buildings by architect
• PDF with quite a bit about Bennes , Emporis listings for Bennes Hot Lake Sanitarium near LaGrande? (asourced to PDF) The Venable Hotel (Hamilton Hotel)?
• Emporis listings for Morris H. Whitehouse Who designed Temple Beth Israel (Portland)?

Fearful question

How do they know what it tastes like? Geoff 22:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Just try cleaning a lot of it off. It gets everywhere, including up your nose and into your mouth. Although you're probably getting it off with white spirit and tasting that just as much. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This isn't what it sounds like

Hi Com, I popped in from my break to look up some information on outdoor children's games. I ran across this one, Poohsticks, and wondered if you've heard of it? Shinerunner (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard that name used, but "boat races" with sticks such is definitely a popular childhood tradition. I prefer to work my way slong the shore and let my "boat" go somewhere upstream upon choosing a finish-line down stream. Then you run along with your craft and root it on as it faces eddys and other obstacles. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe the activity predates Pooh, so I would use a broader name like boat races or stick boat racing. And it seems there are the basic stick boat races and ones with constructed boats.

THE STICK BOAT RACE by John W Townsend January 05, 2010

I stood by the river

following it flow,

throwing in stick boats

watching them go.

Under hanging branches

pass the grassy banks

racing under bridges

navigating shallow beds,

there go the stick boats

moving at a pace

changing their positions

in the river race.

source

• Whoa, are you all kidding?? You don't know Pooh sticks? It is a GREAT game, very relaxing, and I am glad to see we have an article on it. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Not everything in my life is named after Disney characters Doc. Did you read the above? Sarah Palin and I have lives oustide of frivolous popular culture and distorted mainstream media influences. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Eh...Palin has a life? I thought she was a cartoon character. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Rocky, Bullwinkle & Palin? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

ArbComm

Hey, are you following the proceedings there? My name was brought up by another editor as someone who could maybe work with you within certain proposed remedies, and I have just made an offer regarding a similar one. What do you think? LadyofShalott 21:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the decision is being rendered. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

That does not mean it is too late for you to comment. However, if you don't do it soon, it looks like it will be. If you want anything short of a year-long ban for you to come about, please comment there on alternate proposals ASAP. I'm writing as someone who thinks you make many good contributions to the encyclopedia, and I'd like to help you continue to be able to do so. LadyofShalott 05:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't know where to begin as far as commenting on that monstrosity LoS. I edit in good faith. I do a lot of article work. I contribute at AfD, in spurts at new page patrol, and am collegial with dozens of editors of all different viewpoints. But there are people here who simply can't tolerant those who don't see things their way. That kind of hateful pettiness is sad, but no one has the right to hound or bully those who don't share their opinions.

I am outspoken when I see abuse and while I don't hold grudges, I think Ncmvocalist's investigation of my block log was telling as far as my being on the receiving end of lots of improper admin actions. But that evidence is being ignored because it doesn't comport with the outcome desired by those driving this arbitration effort. I expect any attempt I make to correct the record as far as my editing history goes to also be ignored.

Do you really think those trying to silence me will be discouraged from continuing to do so if I point out how abusive and hypocritical they are being? Would calling out the bullies be helpful at this point?

Clearly I have pissed off some of the powers that be and they are using the arb hearing as an opportunity to come after me.

An admin's bad block was overturned, another admin made very uncivil comments about me during that process and then filed an arb proceeding even though there was no dispute. Arbs whose inappropriate behavior I've pointed out previously have led the charge in using the filing as an opportunity to come after me (and have failed to recuse or even note their prior conflicts). And of course there has also been a long term smear campaign against me by disruptive trolls who want have a history of harassing those they disagree with instead of using dispute resolution and working towards consensus.

Efforts at intimidation and censorship are disgusting, and I will never be silent in the face of this kind of dishonest corruption. Other than continuing to be outpoken about the rot, there's not much else I can do about it.

If someone has an issue with me or concerns about any of my comments they are most welcome to communicate with me respectfully. We haven't seen much that because those coming after me don't want to communicate with me or to reach an accord, they want to get rid of me and for me to be quiet.

Have you ever seen Ryan Postthwaite post a concern here? Newyorkbrad? Nope. When Coren was bullying a good faith editor I called him out on it, so now he's coming after me. I think that kind of behavior is pretty sick, but maybe it's "human nature" for some people. I'm certainly not going to kowtow to individual bullies or a pack of them. I'm at peace with trying to do the right thing and standing up to impropriety when I see it occurring.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hello ChildofMidnight. I fully respect that I may not be the person you want to hear off most at this point in time but I wanted to make a suggestion to you. I see from your contributions you've been concentrating hard on articles - you seem to be doing some very good work. Why don't you write a note on the proposed decision page of your request for arbitration and state that you respect that there have been issues with your past conduct, that you apologise for them and that in the future you're going to make a real effort to act in a more collegial way with others. The two proposed remedies don't look good at the minute for you - one is a ban and one is an extremely severe editing restriction. If you do what I've suggested, I for one will campaign to have your editing restrictions reduced significantly and I expect others will as well. We all respect your work on articles, we just want you to work a little better with others - you have the potential to be on of our best editors here. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:49, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Ryan I have always devoted myself to constructive article edits and constructive input on various noticeboards and project pages. There's no question that I get frustrated at times and am sometimes overly direct in calling out foul play, as I've acknowledged previously (despite the misrepresentations made by you and Bigtimepeace in your statements and "evidence").

Dealing with abuse and incivility, especially when it comes from admins, is very taxing and it's not something I enjoy. But we've lost some very talented editors as a result of improper behavior, and I think it's important to make sure all editors are treated with respect and according to our policies. There's a lot of hypocrisy and arrogance here and it's very important that we confront it and get everyone to engage in collegial cooperation. Misconduct by those in positions of power isn't useful in building an encyclopedia.

If you'd like to apologize for your "drama loving troll" comments that would probably be appropriate. But you seem like a decent fellow, so I'm not too worried about it one way or the other. Sometimes people get flustered and do stupid things. I haven't seen a pattern of misconduct and incompetence from you, and you seem generally to be a good guy and a good editor, so I'm hoping your recent comments and abusive Arbcom report were just aberrations. Certainly following up on a bad block with an arbcom filing that includes a heap of distortions and mispresentations isn't a good look for you. That kind of thing is very disruptive, especially where there is no dispute between us. It certainly instigated a pile on from some of the trolls and abusive personalities that have been coming after me for a long time, but that's life. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

In your response made Ryan the focus of this interaction, but it is not he who is the problem. AGK 01:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Bacon vs. sharks

Has bacon jumped the shark? Leah Zeldes wants to know. - Dravecky (talk) 04:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The video for the bacon rocket has a catchy little tune.Shinerunner (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

"Bacon and rocketry, in perfect harmony..." Geoff 15:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know if you've seen the Republic of Bacon series on You Tube.Shinerunner (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The bacon rocket endeavor looked like a very interesting learning experience. I think the term jumped the shark jumped the shark, and I like the idea of an anthem, but I think that one needs work. I have a "list of micronation national anthems" in my userspace, I think, that might be a good starting point... Bacon still seems to be going strong. I tried to sidetrack people with doughnut/donuts, but bacon still seems to be the thing that sizzles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree the anthem was weak, some of the related commercials gave me a chuckle.Shinerunner (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's an important starting point, anyway, for bacon nation. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

An award

Thanks Doc. I'm not sure what this is about though? Also, I'm of the opinion that there is no chocolate without cocoa. Nuts are okay though. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for James W. McLaughlin

Speedy deletion nomination of Walter D. Pugh

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Message to the Grass Roots

You can see it here. My footnote was wrong; it's on page 3, not page 4. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 08:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I see it's noted in various sources on google books. The way it's written it seems like an organization and I had never heard of it and didn't see much on google news (only one recent link to a story) so I was concerned that it was vandalism. But I see that it's accurate. Additional notation of the organization of the event upfront might be helpful. That background is interesting. I also think the introduction could do a better job of laying out what was advocated in the speech. Isn't it a call for self reliance, independence, and black nationalism? An appeal to black pride and for empowerment as opposed to integration and assimilation? ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

LOL Yeah, something like that. Sometimes I get so bogged down in the details I forget about the big picture. Thanks. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 08:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a very interesting speech, and I was happy to find an article about it. Thanks for creating it! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks Materialscientist. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Wow. Thanks very much. :) Yes, I'm not perfect, but I do my best. If everyone was willing to work collegially and respectfully I'm sure an accomodation could be reached, but there are many here who treat Misplaced Pages as an MMPORG and who play at politics instead of encyclopedia building. But I've enjoyed working with lots of editors on a wide range of subjects. The vast majority here have been friendly and helpful, although there is some paranoia and suspicion that is fostered by the police state atmospherics. The world and Misplaced Pages will never be perfect places, but we do what we can. Thank you for your kindness and courage in giving me this barnstar. I acknowledge being bitey now and again, but when there are dogs constantly yapping at your heels, it's hard to put down the stick. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)