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    Response

    I have responded to your question regarding a third opinion. My answer can be found here. --User:Krator (t c)—Preceding comment was added at 12:28, 24 September 2007

    I need to communicarte with you

    I need to communicarte with you, a bit more privately than this page offers. Can you send your email to otherist@actcom.co.il and write in the subject line "Roland Rance address"? Thanks. Adam Keller —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Keller (talk • contribs) 11:01, 3 August 2008

    Re: The Kafka Award

    Thanks :) pedrito - talk - 06:01 18.05.2009

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    Your last revert on the invention of the Jewish people

    Please don't blame me for having POV while one should be not only blind for not seeing yours. What's more that the criticism on Sand was drwan by many good ones and it's realy not hard to find those (even in the article itself). The open section is full of praises which you oddly enough didn't find bias. As I wrote on the talk page-if you want' ask for new source or improve the language (while keeping it authentic copy of the meaning) -don't delete and don't imply that I had 5 edits while it was in a row. The 3rr trick would not work here sir.--Gilisa (talk) 22:29, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

    Chomsky criticism sourcing

    Hi, it's me from the Chomsky page. I've found a number of sources (it's pretty easy with google "chomsky skinner misread") supporting the claim that he misread Skinner. Would it be original research to use the volume of such claims to support a statement that it is hardly a unique criticism?

    Also, just FYI, my edit was not anti-Chomsky. I was worried that the sentence about misrepresenting Skinner gave the impression that Chomskyan linguistics hinged on something that turns out to be false. Allformweek (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC).

    Report on Edit warring

    --Gilisa (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

    Result of the 3RR case

    Please see the result of WP:AN3#User:RolandR reported by User:Gilisa (Result: Protected). Though the result was protection, the case does not reflect well on either party. Even a small amount of negotiation could have avoided this, in my opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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    ANI

    --Gilisa (talk) 20:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

    Mandela quote

    Hi, Roland, just letting you know I started a discussion on WP:RSN about the sources of the Mandela quote. I imagine you'll want to join the discussion. Thanks! Factsontheground (talk) 03:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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    Factsontheground

    Yes, I did. An admin reviewing the unblock request can sustain the block for a reason other than that given by the blocking admin, regardless of whether or not that reason was correct. And that reason included edit warring, both in the on-page template and the log. I found that supported by these edits: and . This edit I also find a bit gamey ... I can understand what the other editor meant, and FotG pretending she can't is needless complication (although at that point both of them should have just backed off. Long before that point, actually). Daniel Case (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

    Old friend in new clothes?

    Hi Roland - could you take a look at Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Baked barney and tell me if you think this is Runtshit? Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

    Thanks

    Thanks for sticking up for me during my latest block. If there is anything I can do for you in the future just let me know. Factsontheground (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

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    I though it was necessary because

    I think it is significant knowledge that the German revolution was lead by a small minority of the country & wiki shouldn't hide that.Which weren't Jewish then? paul ,leo & clara must have been, I don't see any reasons to doubt communist websites(no communist source for clara though, but I remember it). I was sure karl was but i can't remember what I read about Him now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No autoaim (talk • contribs) 20:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


    Isn't it called spartacist uprising aswell, the main founder & leader of the party was, & almost a majority, atleast, of the other members were.No autoaim (talk) 20:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

    You are a racist troll, and further comments from you are unwelcome. RolandR (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

    Your user page

    Hello. The recent conflict between you and another user gave me occasion to look at your user page. I would like to ask you to remove these two images from it:

    This is because these can reasonably be understood as "anti-people" images, i.e., as representing a rejection of the respective group of people, Nazis and Israelis. That is probably not very controversial in the first case, but very, very divisive in the second case. I believe that this is incompatible with our guideline WP:UP#POLEMIC, which prohibits "very divisive or offensive material not related to encyclopedia editing", notably "statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors or persons". This is especially important when that content, as in this case, is within the scope of WP:ARBPIA (see notably Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Principles: "Use of the site for other purposes, such as advocacy or propaganda, furtherance of outside conflicts, publishing or promoting original research, and political or ideological struggle, is prohibited.") I would appreciate your action on this. Regards,  Sandstein  20:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

    I make no apologies for being against nazis, and for stating this on my user page. If this offends anyone, that is their problem. I am glad that you recognise that this is indeed an anti-nazi image, rather than an antisemitic attack, and I am bemused that you can use another editor's misunderstanding of this image as a reason to request its removal.
    The anti-Zionist image is in the context of a userbox indicating a political position. It is absolutely and categorically not directed against Israelis, not all of whom are Zionists while most Zionists are not Israeli. Many of my family are Israelis, and I worked for many years in Jerusalem with Israeli anti-Zionists and anti-occupation activists. I am indeed opposed to the practices of the state of Israel, but this does not mean that I "reject" Israelis. And, since nobody has objected to this or claimed to be offended by it, I again don't understand why you request its removal. RolandR (talk) 20:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    At least one user that I know of has claimed to be offended by your user page, even if they said so in an inappropriate manner; that's what brought me here. In any event, even though my personal sympathies for Nazis are zero, "statements attacking or vilifying groups of editors or persons" are nonetheless prohibited, no matter how popular or unpopular, good or evil these groups may be. And the Israeli flag does not only represent Zionism, but also and arguably mainly the country of Israel and by extension its people; therefore, crossing it out represents an attack on these people. You can make your statement against Zionism, itself on the verge of being unacceptably divisive, without including this image.  Sandstein  20:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    The fact that you need people to claim offense to a giant Israeli flag with a red line through it, and don't understand yourself that the purpose is to offend people, says a lot. Breein1007 (talk) 21:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    A "giant" Israeli flag? The image is 48 pixels wide, for God's sake! (Pardon me for butting in.) — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    Yes, a giant Israeli flag. You are mistaken. The original image is quite large and should be deleted. But thanks for contributing with that pertinent comment that really had a highly important impact on the conversation. It really would change the meaning of my comment altogether if the flag wasn't giant, right? Awesome as usual, Malik. Breein1007 (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    Regardless of the size of the image on Commons, the image on Roland's userpage—which is the subject of the discussion here—is only 48 pixels wide. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    Like I said, your argument has nothing to do with anything, and I can't even begin to comprehend your motives for wasting both of our time with this. Roland is the one who uploaded the image to both his userpage and to commons, and as Sandstein said above, the image is offensive. Therefore, it should be deleted altogether. Both the 48 pixel one and the GIANT one. Now I will move on. Breein1007 (talk) 21:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    RolandR, I'm realy don't do on purpose in order to annoy, but the strike out Israeli flag is truely ineptly. I would never put the flag of Saudi Arabia or Iran striked out on my UP. If these examples don't clearify it, then I wouldn't never put similar image of French or Peru or Spain flags. Israel is a state, the flag represent it first and formost. I assume you can express your objection to Zionism in more constructive ways. The truth is that I noticed it much before, but the subject is now discussed for the first time.--Gilisa (talk) 21:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    This is rich. A person whose Talk page bears the heading "אין זרעו של עשו נמסר אלא ביד זרעו של יוסף" feels the need to lecture another user about an offensive userpage. LOL. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    I don't understand the problem with this sentence and what offensive in it...Esau offspring Amalek is the mythological enemy of the Jewish people (i.e., anti semitics and racists of all kinds). Amalek don't refer to any specific people, just to anti semitic in general-they hate me, I give a **** on them. I inserted this sentence just after my talk page was vandalized and it should not be considered offensive. BTW, I have no objection to remove it if someone else rather than you consider it as such.--Gilisa (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
    Sure, whatever you say. You and I both know it refers not just to Amalek but to all of Edom. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

    Malik, please, refresh your knowledge before you shoot accusations. You are an admin, I would expect from you to more than that. Please my friend, google this sentence +Amalek (עמלק) and/or plus Haman (המן). While Esua is the father of all of Edom, this sentence specifically refer to Amalek only! Please don't get things out of context. So, if I hurt any Amaleky, I deeply apologize--Gilisa (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

    Image deleted

    It is regrettable that you have declined to remove the images. As an arbitration enforcement measure, therefore, for the reasons given above, I have deleted the flag image from Commons, where it was also out of the project scope. Do not attempt to reintroduce it there or on this project, or you will be made subject to sanctions.  Sandstein  05:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    ARBPIA does not cover commons, I would expect an admin to know that. If you feel that image was outside of the scope of commons you should have started a deletion discussion, but to cite an en.wp arbitration decision to delete an image on another project, one where the en.wp arbcom has no authority to issue binding decisions, and threaten a user for actions on another project is not within your authority as an admin. Please reverse these actions. Commons has a process for determining what is and what is not within the project scope, your interpretation of ARBPIA is not a part of that. nableezy - 06:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    Can anyone point me to the process for appealing against this arbitrary decision? Do I do so at ARBPIA, or on Commons, or somewhere else? Thanks. RolandR (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    Here nableezy - 14:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
    I think that you first have to appeal to him. At least it was like that for Mbz1 after she was TB. But what reason you have to appeal when the flag image returned in smaller version at your new user box?--Gilisa (talk) 10:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
    I note that you have replaced the previous image on your user page by a substantially similar one, Commons:File:No Israel.svg. I am not deleting that file on Commons because unlike the previous image it is in use by other wikis. However, your use of this image on your user page violates my instruction above. I am therefore formally prohibiting you, acting under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, from using this image or substantially similar ones (i.e., crossed-out flags of countries involved in the Israeli-Arab conflict) in your user space. I am removing it from your user page and userbox. If you reintroduce it, you may be made subject to additional sanctions. This sanction can be appealed as described in the remedy linked to above; you are recommended to use the template {{Arbitration enforcement appeal}} for the purpose of any noticeboard appeal.  Sandstein  10:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
    Who are you Sandstein? The thought police? Ridiculous. Tiamut 10:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    Sandstein, for a page containing multiple examples of images showing crossed-out national symbols that you might like to take action over, see this user page. A type of userbox that you may consider divisive and worth considering for action under the scope of WP:ARBPIA:

    This user believes that the independence for Palestinian Arabs has been achieved with the establishment of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

        ←   ZScarpia   11:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


    How about this one:

    No Israel!


    Taken from here? Undermining the right of existence of an existing state is not very far from calling for genocide. These images are very offensive ofcourse, and regardless what was the meaning of those who use them on their UPs-they just not in place. Personally, it doesn't bother me much-espcially if this images are on the UPs of editors who don't edit in I-P related articles, where they can push their POV, but it's still inept. --Gilisa (talk) 12:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    P.s. as about the userbox ZScarpia brought as example, it's nothing different than this one:

    This user recognizes the Palestinian right of return.

    Which is used by several editors on the I-P topic. Both boxes serve as counter response to each other.--Gilisa (talk) 12:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    Explaining edits on the Karl Marx page

    Hi RolandR: What exactly would you like me to explain in relation to http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Karl_Marx&diff=354070818&oldid=354006624 ? -- Pedant17 (talk) 01:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

    The original text stated that his ideas "are credited as the foundation of modern communism". You changed this to "played a significant role in the development of modern communism", saying that this was "in the light of http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Karl_Marx&diff=next&oldid=297489540". Looking back at the edit you cite, I see that this was the removal of obvious vandalism. The previous edit, which was by you, also made the change you introduced, with no explanation.
    If you think that this edit makes a significant difference to the neutrality of the article, please explain how.RolandR (talk) 01:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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