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Couldn't we put this page at List of unaccredited educational institutions? The new title is a bit too long, I feel. Proteus (Talk) 19:59, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Could countries be included - Ashford and Preston could be the places in the UK. 212.85.6.26 18:00, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

From the article:

"Some schools have initiated law suits against Oregon for unconstitutional bias against some of these schools."

Which ones? On what legal basis? -- The Anome 00:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

I posted some added info, but it keeps getting vandalised.(erased)

• It's not being vandlized. A good deal of the information you added bore a slanted point of view, and unencyclopedic language. I simply clarified some of the point of view statements. – ClockworkSoul 07:26, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I beg to differ, I think the original view is slanted, my explanation expands on the content, your's does not. As far as being "unencyclopedic" at least my spelling of vandalised is correct, but I am sure you will change that a.s.a.p. Using words like "some" and "maÿ" as in the original post is open ended and throws speculation and suspicion on the entire list. One reason why I think lists such as these are flawed. If you are going to call a school a diploma mill at least make reference to specific schools and case law.

• Yikes - can't a guy make one typo? Geez... Read below, please. – ClockworkSoul 06:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

POV

Please stop readding adding POV statements to this article. Also, statements such as the following are weasel terms, and should be attributed to exact sources by citing your own sources.

• "It has been reported that certain State laws have been found in violation of constitutional law." &ndash Which laws in which states? Unconstitutional in what manner?
• "Some schools have initiated law suits against Oregon for unconstitutional bias against some of these schools." – Which schools? What kind of bias?
• "Recently in New Zealand a school that was listed on a list such as the one below..." – How recently, exactly? Which school? What list?

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from. – ClockworkSoul 22:50, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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I hear you Clock, the fact is that many articles have the "it has been reported" explanation, mostly when used to derail certain schools. Oregon (the ODA) was found in breach of constitutional law. This has been widely reported. Kennedy Western University sued them. Another French school (Robert Sorbon) also sued them. They had a biff with Jones University too if I recall.

Both Michigan and Oregon have changed the way they have to list unaccredited or foreign schools. Alan Contreras of the ODA, himself a JD, was apparently required to undergo training on defamation laws. The NZ case is also well known, it was against The Australian newspaper, that article was flawed and proved to be defamatory in nature. I could go on....

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from - Jack Harvard

• Hi, Jack Harvard. This is all good stuff, why not cite these references in the article? Without them, the text you keep adding into the article body simply looks like "unsubstantiated point-of-view". All I want is for it to be presented in format of an encyclopedia, not that of an argumentative essay. – ClockworkSoul 14:49, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

~ Hi Clockwork, I will gladly expand. I too believe in a balanced article, reflecting both sides with merit. Unfortunately some folks here with agendas for whatever reason keep erasing the expanded article. They target certain schools, mostly African and they seem hellbent on only the negative. Most informed people know that an unaccredited or foreign accredited degree, in some rare cases, is not always accepted in academia, but the fact is that in the business arena remarkably many are well received (Dr Rich Douglas, a well known academic researched the use of such unaccredited degrees).

Thereby rebuffing the notion that ALL such degrees are unacceptable. Some of these schools do a good job of teaching students something, others do not. Some California state approved schools allow students in CA to sit for licencing exams in various professions. Often these schools get included in these types of lists. That is why I dislike the likes of ODA etc.

First, to address the contributor coming in from "comindico.com.au": I'm looking forward to your contributions. Sincere and open-minded debate is the best way to reach neutral groud.

Second, to address the troll coming in from 69.227.167.208 (adsl-69-227-167-208.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net): modifying other authors statements and adding invented schools like "Alan Contreras State University" to the list doesn't do much to help us here... please stop. – ClockworkSoul 17:46, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

×Hi Clock, sorry for the earlier jibe at your typo...a bit trigger happy I suppose. I still see that my expanded version keeps being erased. - Jack Harvard.

Failed AFD

This article's AFD debate gained consensus to keep. Johnleemk | Talk 13:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Oxford Graduate School

I checked the UNESCO database, this institution is not listed. See the list inclusion criteria: "These institutions may have been listed on publicly available lists of unaccredited institutions, or are absent from the UNESCO list of world universities". Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 21:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Not that I have a dog in this fight, but go to the US Dept of Education Office of Postsecondary Education website, enter "Oxford" in the search window, and read the result: they're accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission. Note that -- ironically enough -- A.J.A., who added Oxford Graduate School, had made the previous edit, removing Bob Jones University from the list on the grounds that they're accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission. So both BJU or OGS belong on this list or neither are, depending on whether you think TRACS doesn't count or does count. Consistency and all that.

P.S.: For some reason, the OPE entry calls the place "Oxford Gradutate School" -- which is either a typo or I just learned a new word. --Calton | Talk 00:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, so now explain why TRACS is not listed in the article as an appropriate accreditation body, and why the UNESCO list (which is the stated authority for inclusion) does not include this college? I'm mostly concerned because of (a) the number of bogus accreditation bodies out there and (b) the potential for confusion of the clueless by the name "Oxford"; my priest has a degree in theology from the real Oxford :-) - Just zis  Guy, you know? / AfD? 14:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, so now explain why TRACS is not listed in the article as an appropriate accreditation body Don't be thick: NO accreditation body at all is listed in the article.

And UNESCO's list is not THE stated authority for inclusion, nor is it the ONLY reliable source for accreditation information: note that the US Department of Education's Council on Higher Education Accreditation search page is linked to the article. Or are you arguing that United States Department of Education is unable to tell the authentic from the bogus accreditation bodies? --Calton | Talk 14:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

List of unlicensed accreditation associations of higher learning

• • I want to see if we can get a list going on the issue of unapproved accreditation groups.
  • Here's an example of two:
• Association of Christian Colleges and Theological Schools (Louisiana Baptist University)
• American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions (Patriot Bible University)

• • Created List of unlicensed accreditation associations of higher learning Arbustoo