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Supreme Deliciousness

Supreme Deliciousness topic banned for thirty days by Tznkai
Request concerning Supreme Deliciousness User requesting enforcement nsaum75 User against whom enforcement is requested Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Notification Sanction or remedy that this user violated ARBPIA (June 2009) Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it SD has a long history of tenatious editing and trying to remove Israeli content or de-emphasize Israeli & Jewish content: His userpage, now deleted, at one point declared strong Anti-Israeli views and belief that Israel should not exist. History of trying to politicize non-political articles SD was warned and notified of the ARBCOM sanctions on June 27, 2009. These are instances occurring after that date. Created an article titled “Israeli theft of Arab cuisine” that was deleted as being POV and Soapbox (September 2009) At Halva's talk page he states that Israel’s “lack of true history and connection to the region, that they have to overcompensate in other areas, to create an artificial history and artificial identity: (March 2010) At Hookah's talk page: (March 2010) In the Hummus' talk page, SD states that properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus is “made up garbage in an attempt to steal Arab culture and claim it as Israeli, because Israel is a false nation that has to steal other peoples history, culture and food because it doesn't have any itself”. (July 2009) Removed photos from Falafel based upon their being from Israel, calling it undue weight etc. , (September 2009) Extensive use of “quotes”, in order to substitute rhetorical language in place of more neutral, dispassionate tone preferred for encyclopedias –Misplaced Pages:Quote#When_not_to_use_quotations (September 2009) Insists on the inclusion of extensive use of quotes, even after it is pointed out that their extensive use is not recommended (March 2010) Dismisses sources based upon the fact they are from Israel or are written by Israelis and/or Jews. In discussions about articles on mountains in the Golan Heights and their sources, SD has dismissed sources written by Israelis and Jews as “not reliable” and “not neutral” (March 2010) States that sources that are written by Jews or Israelis about mountains in the Golan Heights are not WP:RS because they would “naturally support Israel”, but a source that refers to Israel as the “Zionist Entity” is OK (read the two comments above his comment too). (March 2010) Advice to other editors Suggests to other editors that they should undertake “doublespeak” to achieve results that may not be supported by consensus. Tells other editors that they should not “always say what you truly believe, try to reach your goals in another way.” (November 2009) Skirting CfDs Tries to skirt CfDs by creating new categories very similar to the one being discussed: and (March - April 2010) Games the system SD has repeatedly tried to change the names of Mountains in the Golan Heights from Hebrew to Arabic, trying different ways. The first time he wanted to change the names an RfC was opened on the Golan Heights talk page (November 2009). When consensus failed there, he then tried at the individual mountains 1). (February 2010) 2) (March 2010) When there was no consensus for change on the individual mountains, this article was created (which I suggested, to condense small unsourced articles) but now it appears it will be used as a vehicle to attempt to change the mountain names again. (April 2010) Politicizes non political talk pages Supreme Deliciousness decided to re-arrange the long-standing Wikiproject listing order in several articles because of his belief that "Syria" should come before Israel on the article talk page and . (April 2010) Arbcom situations SD’s Anti-Israeli behavior has even come up in unrelated Arbcom cases (October - November 2009) Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Notified of Israel-Palestine Arbitration restrictions here (June 2009) Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Ban on articles pertaining to Israel or Jewish content. The length of such ban, being permanent or short term is up to the admin. However I would ask the Admin to keep in mind that SD’s anti-Israeli editing has been a long term problem, but most of the time he has managed to push the envelope just enough so that he flies under the radar. The majority of his edit history is related to trying to de-emphasize or remove Israeli content from articles, with very little in way of actual article expansion or creation. Additional comments by editor filing complaint SD often edits in cooperation with another user, User:Ani medjool, whom I will also be filing a AE case on. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning User Statement by User:Tiamut There is no problem with a user being anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian (there are many here of both kinds and we edit alongside each other without huge problems everyday). Its not people's views that are problematic, but their behaviours, if disruptive. I don't see anything disruptive in the work SD did on Mountains in the Golan Heights. I do think its quite silly to edit war over the placement of Syria and Israel wikiprojects (but as there are others edit-warring over this, I don't see why SD should be subject to a topic ban for it). I don't think SD meant to game the system with the category she created, but I can see why it might be interpreted that way. I also don't see how the advice she gae to other users is problematic. We shouldn't all say exactly what we believe here when its not related to article editing - that's called WP:SOAP. I do agree that User:Ani medjool is a highly problematic user (and look forward to seeing the AE report Nsaum75 is going to file on that user, who has serially disrupted the I-P arena for some time now without any serious repurcussions). But I don't think the same is true of SD. She has made some good contributions to this encyclopedia. She's certainly not perfect and sometimes wastes her time on silly or unproductive things, and maybe even soapboxes a little from time to time (no more or less than others), but she generally responds to constructive criticism and has not done anything to undermine the goals of the encylopedia, in my opinion. An NPOV encyclopedia is written by people of all POVs, some of whom may have POVs vastly different than our own. That's not a reason to topic ban them. Yes, its hard to work to bridge such gaps in perspectives, but much better to try, than to eliminate those we deem too far gone. Particularly when they are trying to hear what others are saying to them. Tiamut 15:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC) You didn't even address supreme's behavior. And I have a hard time stomaching that your defending Supreme's behavior because "an NPOV encyclopedia is written by people of all POVs." Yes, that's true, but user's like supreme are actively violating Misplaced Pages policy because they can't control their own POV opinions. Creating articles like "Israeli theft of Arab cuisine" is clearly inappropriate and Supreme has long exhibited this behavior. Do you agree that that user's behavior is inappropriate or would you like to obfuscate and blame some other editor? Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Tiamut, you're right, there is nothing wrong with being Anti-Palestinian or Anti-Israeli, but when you let those feelings spill over into discussions about content -- let alone picking apart articles to reflect those sentiments -- it becomes disruptive. We are supposed to put our feelings aside and try our best to edit & contribute in a neutral behavior, but many of the talk page discussions and article edits made by SD are extremely contrary to that. nsaum75 15:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Hey Nsaum75. I'm glad to see that we don't disagree about what is at issue here, but rather only about whether there is sufficient evidence attesting to longstanding disruption by SD. @PlotSpoiler, I'm not trying to obfuscate anything. I stated my opinion regarding the evidence presented. The article on the Israeli theft of Arab cuisine was made a long, long time ago, when SD first started here. That she has moved on to writing articles like Mountains in the Golan Heights (which looks fine to me) shows just how far she has come. I don't believe in holding editors to task for things they did when they first started editing here. I see an evolution. If you don't, you are entitled to your opinion, as I to mine. There's no need for outrageous hyperbole. Tiamut 16:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC) "She"? I'm a man. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Sorry. I didn't know and just assumed you were a lady. I have a pro-female gender bias. Tiamut 17:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC) The mountains article is currently locked due to edit warring over content, plus if you read the protracted talk page discussion and comments on other user pages about raising a new RfC, it gives the appearance that SD's true intent may be to force name changes to the mountains. Essentially this circumvents three-related RfCs in the past 6 months that found no consensus to change the article/mountain names from Hebrew to Arabic) --nsaum75 16:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I still don't see evidence that disruption on the part of SD is to blame for that state of affairs. At least two other editors were warned about edit-warring there along with him, and there have been colossal failures of W:AGF exhibited on all sides. Tiamut** 17:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Other users are involved this time around, but it is SD who keeps trying to change the article names which then leads to a downward spiral of edit warring. I don't have a crystal ball, but I think the fact that SD keeps trying to find different ways to bring the issue up (especially within a short period of time) causes other editors to get frustrated. I'm not excusing everyones behavior (as Breein1007 can be battleground-minded as well), but in this instance, regarding the mountains, SD seems to be the primary instigator of the issue via his repeated attempts to find a way to change the names of the mountains. --nsaum75 17:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC) If it is me, then what is this: and who is the one edit warring against consensus? Why haven't you brought this up? And what is "circumvents three-related RfC" what was decided during those RfCs? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Statement by Plot Spoiler Supreme exhibits over the top WP:Battleground behavior and the evidence presented shows that Supreme is incapable of WP:NPOV edits when it comes to I/P articles. Creating WP:Soap articles like "Israeli theft of Arab cuisine" and that Israeli has hijacked everything else in Arab culture (hookah, falafel, etc.), regardless of the fact that over 50% of Israel's population is composed of Jews of Middle Eastern origin. Supreme has long exhibited this POV and uncivil behavior and methinks it's time for a topic ban. Seriously. Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Comment by User:ZScarpia removed. Added nothing but further battleground behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC) You have my apology. Is it permissible to state that I think Plot Spoiler's behaviour is partisan and not innocent of the kind of thing which Supreme Deliciousness is being accused of? ← ZScarpia 18:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC) If you have a complaint to make, file a report. Plot Spoiler's moral credibility is not at issue.--Tznkai (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I'll butt out. Personally, I do think that the "moral credibility" of those commenting on this page is an issue. ← ZScarpia 19:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Why can't we be friends?? Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Certainly colleague, why not? I'm just a bit tired of the litigiousness in the IP area and seeing glasshouse dwellers indulging in rock-throwing. ← ZScarpia 19:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I prefer a brick house. Bow chicka bow wow. Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Oh dear, a case of mistaken identity. I've apologised on your talk page. ← ZScarpia 01:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC) Statement by Supreme Deliciousness What is the sanction or remedy that I have violated? Many of the comments he have brought up and things I have done are comments and things from a long time ago. At the Hookah talkpage, how do you explain this edit IP just removed the word "Palestine" and replaced it with "Israel". Nsaum75 claims that "properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus".. It was about an Israeli guy without any kind of scientific research to back him up, was making up his own mind about what the bible said, basically re-writing the bible and drawing his own conclusion from it. And based on this they wanted to ad to the article that Hummus Is Israeli. And Nsaum75 calls this "properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus". At the falafel article, Nsaum75 kept on adding several Israeli pictures into the article, that is not neutral. If there is anyone that should be sanctioned, its him for keeping on adding exclusively Israeli pictures in as many articles as he can, he show a strong pro-Israel pushing views, this is not neutral. Many of these things he have brought up are content disputes where he or others have an Israeli pov and I a neutral worldview. I am not edit warring at any of these articles and I always talk at the talkpage. About the "Dismisses sources based upon the fact they are from Israel or are written by Israelis and/or Jews." Yes I said they were unreliable for setting the standardized name in English for several reasons, they would of course use the Israeli name: Some of these Israeli sources have for example been written by the Chairman of the Israeli Golan Lobby and Ariel Encyclopedia speaks about Golan as if it was a part of Israel. And several others including an admin have dismissed Israeli sources for setting the standardized name in English by just the fact that they are from Israel: "Advice to other editors" Ani Medjool had very strong language, and what I meant about that was that he might get banned if he continues, just like if pro-israeli editors hated Palestinians, but they cant show it cause they would get banned, so I told him that if he feel the way he feels he should be quiet about it. For the sake of the encyclopedia, to avoid unnecessary drama. "Skirting CfDs" This was never "skirting", it was a different category, and I accepted the deletion of it as the majority of people wanted it gone. "Politicizes non political talk pages" How is it neutral to have the Israeli tag first about an area that is by all countries on earth recognized as part of Syria? And how many edits at each article did I do this? 1 time. "Games the system" This is completely BS, if you look at all the neutral comments and sources, you can see that there was greater support for the standardized arabic names, not hebrew, look at the uninvolved comments, how many of these support the hebrew? I favour using both Arabic and Hebrew names where possible with the primary names being Arabic where a choice has to be made... To use Israeli names as the primary names for geographical features that are in Syrian territory is highly inappropriate in my view. I'd even say that this is the kind of thing that can bring Misplaced Pages into disrepute. These features already had and still have internationally recognised Arabic names. Linguistically re-mapping an occupied landscape is about as far from neutral as you can get. I would suggest that the Arabic name should be the primary one Second thoughts - Since this is the English WP, names should be English ones as far as possible. Thus tel (Hill - ?) and jebel (mountain) could conveniently be trasnlated, provided an English foirm can be found to he been used by some one. English is the way to go and, as suggested, material produced either by international or standard Enclish-language physical geography texts should be preferred. I'd say English names or names most used in English WP:RS, but having the most reliable sources be International ones like UN, encyclopedias, truly neutral sources and not publications from Israel or Arab sources. If there is a fair equality in which is used, use both. "most common form in English" I went to the GeoNames server -- which is a reasonable reliable source for the names actually used for towns, hills, mountains, lakes, etc. (It uses an extensive database compiled from a number of sources.) I was unable to find any elevation in Israel named "Paras", but I did find http://www.geonames.org/maps/google_32.958_35.862.html this entry for a "Tall el Faras", with no significant alternate names. Make of this what you will. My objection to using the Jerusalem Post* would not be due to any political bias, but because I doubt its editorial staff would know what native English speakers actually habitually call it: I would assume their native language is Hebrew. Is there a common name used internationally for these mountains? Steering clear if the political or legal ownership of the Golan Heights, which I feel doesn't have much relevence to the debate, do geological organisations and publications usually use the Hebrew or Arabic? There is a pressing interest for both languages. Both languages should be used. Almost all the sources brought up for the Arabic were English, while almost all of them brought up for the hebrew were Israeli and some of them implied Golan as part of Israel, and also an article from the "Jewish Virtual Libray" that was sourced from Misplaced Pages. And the israeli side just said "no" to the change, so this is how there was no move of the articles. Am I not allowed to open a new RfC now? The reason why the article Mountains in the Golan Heights is locked down now is because user Breein edit warred his own pov into the article, the names right now are hebrew first, because there was allegedly "No consensus" for the change, yet Brein changed the position of the translation to put the hebrew first without any kind of consensus, and its interesting that Nsaum75 do not mention this. Nsaum also claims that "SD's true intent may be to force name changes".. no it is not and I told malik this on his talkpage that I myself had changed to the hebrew first and that I would not change it to the standardized Arabic as the discussion is now: "SD often edits in cooperation" This is a completely baseless attack against me, I edit by myself and with no one else. I am not edit warring at any of these articles, some things I have said (most in the past), maybe I shouldn't have said them, but I always edit from a neutral pov, and I do not edit war and always talk at the talkpage. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Regarding photos and "pov-pushing": I think my edit and photographic contribution history speaks for itself. --nsaum75 17:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Statement by Malik Shabazz In the interest of brevity I will make only two comments. 1) This week Supreme Deliciousness twice felt the need to rearrange WikiProject banners so Syria came before Israel, in one case participating in a revert war (although he himself made only one revert). 2) The above characterization of photos as Israeli is typical. Because of the WP:BATTLE behavior of Supreme Deliciousness and Ani medjool, Falafel has an image gallery in which "Israeli" photos of the food are "balanced" by photos from other countries. See Falafel#Image gallery. (The use of quotation marks indicates the silliness of describing a photograph as having a nationality.) — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 17:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC) To be fair, Malik, falafel is originally an Arab food. I know its hard for non-Arabs to understand why it is offensive to Arabs when Israel claims it as its own, and that fact in no way justifies edit-warring to remove pictures of falafel from Israel from the article. However, there is a disproportionate focus, both imagery and text wise on Israel, in many articles on food items that are originally Arab. More pictures of these foods from Arab countries would be welcome, or conversely, when there is nothing Israeli-specific about the picture, there is no need to mention its from Israel. I believe you suggested that a couple of times, which was a good solution. I do think these discussions can be very silly sometimes, but I do understand why they occur and do think there is an undue emphasis on Israel in articles on traditionally Arab food items (and not enough information on other Arab countries like Syria, Lebanon, etc). I wouldn't want to see people afraid to discuss that (sensibly and without casting aspersions as to people's intentions) by getting the impression that it is somehow inherently disruptive in and of itself. Tiamut 18:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC) "To be fair," a "common theory" suggests that Egyptian Copts invented falafel -- much thanks they get for their compatriots, aye? See: Persecution of Copts. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC) My uncle is an Egytian Copt who identifies as Arab. I realize some Copts don't. My comment however, assumed to include them. Sorry if I've offended anyone (particularly those Copts who don't identify as Arab). Anyway, this is not the place for this discussion. Sorry for bringing it up. Tiamut 18:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC) And in regards to this report and not content, Falafel now has a gallery which is frowned upon and pictures chosen were purely for national issues and not to showcase the subject. Other editors won't even consider removing it because they don't want to reward the poor battlefield behavior that led to it. That is the epitome of battlefield behavior impacting the project nagativley. However, it was not just SD.Cptnono (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Tiamut, I understand the resentment that some Arabs feel because "Israel's national food" was appropriated from their cuisine. And I agree that there is usually no reason to mention the place where the food was prepared (unless there are national variations). What I don't understand is how fine pictures such as this or this can be dismissed as POV images that cannot be used because they were taken in Israel. And unfortunately Supreme Deliciousness often is an instigator of the discussions concerning these "POV" photos. (To be fair, however, he is hardly the worst offender.) — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 18:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning User Please keep your comments short, to the point, and restricted only to what an uninvolved administrator needs to know. I am perfectly willing (and able) to apply discretionary sanctions based on behavior on AE alone, and I will get creative.--Tznkai (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I am detecting a non-trivial amount of battleground behavior from Supreme Deliciousness, especially in this very enforcement request. However, the most compelling and disturbing behavior adduced here is nearly a year old. (The June 2009 edit seems to hit the high watermark for bad behavior). Then again, Supreme deliciousness' response does not engender confidence in me that Supreme Delciousness has shed his battleground mentality and is capable of assuming good faith when need be. I am currently most convinced by Taimut's comments above, but continuing to look into this.--Tznkai (talk) 17:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I am currently leaning towards a topic ban on all edits involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in. This topic ban will run for three months or until I see one of the following: A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on what order to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject, or a 3000 word essay on the meaning and importance of assuming good faith and avoiding battleground behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Also, if anyone feels like Supreme Deliciousness is being targeted unfairly, please file additional reports pointing me at the other bad offenders.--Tznkai (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I'd prefer to see editors encouraged not to report each other (except for really serious rule violations). ← ZScarpia 00:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC) A couple of questions: what do you mean by "A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on what order to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject" I don't understand what you mean. Also could you please point out precisely what sanction or remedy I have violated, and how I violated it and does this topic ban also include talking about these things at the talkpages? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Certainly. I mean I want you to create a comprehensive guideline that can resolve naming disputes amicably on all Levant articles, and that you would after e-mailing it to me, submit it to IPCollab where it will hopefully be discussed, bandied about, improved and implemented. Remedy 1.1 states that "Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages." The policy on what Misplaced Pages is not states that "Misplaced Pages is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear. Making personal battles out of Misplaced Pages discussions goes directly against our policies and goals. Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation" which you have failed to do, as seen by your behavior in your statement above, as well as several of the edits pointed out, specifically the June 2009 edit. The topic ban covers all edits, across all namespaces, including talk pages. There is a common sense exception which allows you to appeal this decision or contest a complaint against you without violating a topic ban.--Tznkai (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC) You said "topic ban on all edits involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things",, so does this also include origin of people? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC) No, it does not, because I saw no evidence you have issues with people as of yet.--Tznkai (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Tznkai, considering, that almost all of the things brought up in this request are 9-10 months old, how can you put this long topic ban on me? Can you show me one edit I have done that is not neutral? okey I know I have said some things that I shouldn't have said, but they are mostly from my past, and I promise I wont say those sorts of things again. The extent of this proposed topic ban "the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in." is way out of proportion for what I have done, the improper comments I made are at the food articles so why does this proposed topic ban for example cover "geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper" or what order to put names? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Comment - SD is currently under Arbcom restrictions that affects his abilities to change the ethnicity or nationality of people per this decision. nsaum75 23:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC) My current topic ban doesn't cover talkpages. (and the remedie you link to didn't pass, another one did) --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC) My intent was to post to your remedy sub-section, that included all proposals. However you are correct in that you can edit talk pages. There is a method in place with which you can make changes to nationalities and ethnicities via article talk pages. Since you say you can change and edit not allow your personal feelings to impede on your editing style, perhaps a similar restriction to talk pages would be more effective here. It would allow you to prove to other editors that you can change, while still allowing you some participation in IP articles. Change takes time, and while you say most of your tenacious editing was 9 months ago, as of this past week you are still trying to push for major changes based upon nationalistic concerns (e.g. the order of wikiprojects, mountain articles, national park article titles) --nsaum75 23:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC) How is it "nationalistic concerns" to change the "List of national parks and nature reserves in Israel" so it also includes the occupied territories when the list includes the occupied territories and according to a general discussion it is clear that the areas are not part of Israel but occupied: Am I un-neutral? Was there something wrong with that edit? This is not my personal concerns or views, this is the entire worldview. What major push at mountain article? When I added the hebrew first and said I wasn't going to change it? or when I changed back Breeins edit warring of the translation without consensus? ? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC) You only changed the order of the mountain names putting the original article name (hebrew) back first after a long and drawn out discussion. I was not addressing Breein1007 editwarring of the translation. Anyhow, I am leaving this up to the admins to decide. They can read the diffs, arguments and edit histories and decide for themselves. Its not necessary to import disagreements from other articles to this AE. --nsaum75 00:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC) removing comment by Ani medjool Breein1007 (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC) "Also, if anyone feels like Supreme Deliciousness is being targeted unfairly, please file additional reports pointing me at the other bad offenders."--Tznkai (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC) removing comment by Ani medjool Breein1007 (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC) You follow the instructions posted at the top of this page. And if you use "this jew" as an epithet again, you will be blocked indefinitely.--Tznkai (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Ok, unacceptable, uncivil behavior. 'Nuff said. Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Tznkai, I think you should block Ani medjool indefinitely for the comments s/he made here. This is not the first time and s/he's already received multiple warnings for this. If you need diffs, I'll get them. Tiamut 19:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC) I am seriously considering it, but I just gave a warning two lines above, and it seems a bit... tyrannical, to warn and then block before they've had a chance to correct behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC) S/he already got that a final warning just four days ago. Its okay to block I think. Tiamut 19:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Since this is about SD and Tznkai has provided a warning we should drop it here for now. If he is not blocked by another admin in the next couple of hours I'll spend a few minutes to put a report together. Crossing the Ts and dotting the Is just so there is no question (at least in several editors eyes) as to what result is appropriate. Wow... Tiamut and I agree on something.Cptnono (talk) 19:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Some previous warnings to Ani medjool for the same kind of thing: March 24, 2010, February 15, 2010. These comments are totally unacceptable. A year ago, I thought the problem was a language thing, but its clearly a serious behavioural issue for which there is no resolution in sight. Tiamut 19:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC) Result concerning User This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Supreme Deliciousness is topic banned from all edits, across all Misplaced Pages namespaces, involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in. This topic ban will run for 30 days from 00:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC) or until I see one of the following: A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on naming conventions, to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject; a comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on how images are chosen for Levant cuisine, to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject; or a 3000 word essay on the meaning and importance of assuming good faith and avoiding battleground behavior. There is, as always, an exemption for appeals of this and other adverse decision and participation in necessary dispute resolution --Tznkai (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Supreme Deliciousness topic banned for thirty days by Tznkai

Request concerning Supreme Deliciousness

User requesting enforcement: nsaum75

User against whom enforcement is requested: Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Notification

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

ARBPIA (June 2009)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

SD has a long history of tenatious editing and trying to remove Israeli content or de-emphasize Israeli & Jewish content:

His userpage, now deleted, at one point declared strong Anti-Israeli views and belief that Israel should not exist.

History of trying to politicize non-political articles

SD was warned and notified of the ARBCOM sanctions on June 27, 2009. These are instances occurring after that date.

Created an article titled “Israeli theft of Arab cuisine” that was deleted as being POV and Soapbox (September 2009)

At Halva's talk page he states that Israel’s “lack of true history and connection to the region, that they have to overcompensate in other areas, to create an artificial history and artificial identity: (March 2010)

At Hookah's talk page: (March 2010)

In the Hummus' talk page, SD states that properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus is “made up garbage in an attempt to steal Arab culture and claim it as Israeli, because Israel is a false nation that has to steal other peoples history, culture and food because it doesn't have any itself”. (July 2009)

Removed photos from Falafel based upon their being from Israel, calling it undue weight etc. , (September 2009)

Extensive use of “quotes”, in order to substitute rhetorical language in place of more neutral, dispassionate tone preferred for encyclopedias –Misplaced Pages:Quote#When_not_to_use_quotations (September 2009)

Insists on the inclusion of extensive use of quotes, even after it is pointed out that their extensive use is not recommended (March 2010)

Dismisses sources based upon the fact they are from Israel or are written by Israelis and/or Jews.

In discussions about articles on mountains in the Golan Heights and their sources, SD has dismissed sources written by Israelis and Jews as “not reliable” and “not neutral” (March 2010)

States that sources that are written by Jews or Israelis about mountains in the Golan Heights are not WP:RS because they would “naturally support Israel”, but a source that refers to Israel as the “Zionist Entity” is OK (read the two comments above his comment too). (March 2010)

Advice to other editors

Suggests to other editors that they should undertake “doublespeak” to achieve results that may not be supported by consensus. Tells other editors that they should not “always say what you truly believe, try to reach your goals in another way.” (November 2009)

Skirting CfDs

Tries to skirt CfDs by creating new categories very similar to the one being discussed: and (March - April 2010)

Games the system

SD has repeatedly tried to change the names of Mountains in the Golan Heights from Hebrew to Arabic, trying different ways. The first time he wanted to change the names an RfC was opened on the Golan Heights talk page (November 2009). When consensus failed there, he then tried at the individual mountains 1). (February 2010) 2) (March 2010)

When there was no consensus for change on the individual mountains, this article was created (which I suggested, to condense small unsourced articles) but now it appears it will be used as a vehicle to attempt to change the mountain names again. (April 2010)

Politicizes non political talk pages

Supreme Deliciousness decided to re-arrange the long-standing Wikiproject listing order in several articles because of his belief that "Syria" should come before Israel on the article talk page and . (April 2010)

Arbcom situations

SD’s Anti-Israeli behavior has even come up in unrelated Arbcom cases (October - November 2009)

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Notified of Israel-Palestine Arbitration restrictions here (June 2009)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Ban on articles pertaining to Israel or Jewish content. The length of such ban, being permanent or short term is up to the admin. However I would ask the Admin to keep in mind that SD’s anti-Israeli editing has been a long term problem, but most of the time he has managed to push the envelope just enough so that he flies under the radar. The majority of his edit history is related to trying to de-emphasize or remove Israeli content from articles, with very little in way of actual article expansion or creation.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

SD often edits in cooperation with another user, User:Ani medjool, whom I will also be filing a AE case on.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning User

Statement by User:Tiamut

There is no problem with a user being anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian (there are many here of both kinds and we edit alongside each other without huge problems everyday). Its not people's views that are problematic, but their behaviours, if disruptive.

I don't see anything disruptive in the work SD did on Mountains in the Golan Heights. I do think its quite silly to edit war over the placement of Syria and Israel wikiprojects (but as there are others edit-warring over this, I don't see why SD should be subject to a topic ban for it). I don't think SD meant to game the system with the category she created, but I can see why it might be interpreted that way. I also don't see how the advice she gae to other users is problematic. We shouldn't all say exactly what we believe here when its not related to article editing - that's called WP:SOAP.

I do agree that User:Ani medjool is a highly problematic user (and look forward to seeing the AE report Nsaum75 is going to file on that user, who has serially disrupted the I-P arena for some time now without any serious repurcussions). But I don't think the same is true of SD. She has made some good contributions to this encyclopedia. She's certainly not perfect and sometimes wastes her time on silly or unproductive things, and maybe even soapboxes a little from time to time (no more or less than others), but she generally responds to constructive criticism and has not done anything to undermine the goals of the encylopedia, in my opinion.

An NPOV encyclopedia is written by people of all POVs, some of whom may have POVs vastly different than our own. That's not a reason to topic ban them. Yes, its hard to work to bridge such gaps in perspectives, but much better to try, than to eliminate those we deem too far gone. Particularly when they are trying to hear what others are saying to them. Tiamut 15:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

You didn't even address supreme's behavior. And I have a hard time stomaching that your defending Supreme's behavior because "an NPOV encyclopedia is written by people of all POVs." Yes, that's true, but user's like supreme are actively violating Misplaced Pages policy because they can't control their own POV opinions. Creating articles like "Israeli theft of Arab cuisine" is clearly inappropriate and Supreme has long exhibited this behavior. Do you agree that that user's behavior is inappropriate or would you like to obfuscate and blame some other editor? Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut, you're right, there is nothing wrong with being Anti-Palestinian or Anti-Israeli, but when you let those feelings spill over into discussions about content -- let alone picking apart articles to reflect those sentiments -- it becomes disruptive. We are supposed to put our feelings aside and try our best to edit & contribute in a neutral behavior, but many of the talk page discussions and article edits made by SD are extremely contrary to that. nsaum75 15:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey Nsaum75. I'm glad to see that we don't disagree about what is at issue here, but rather only about whether there is sufficient evidence attesting to longstanding disruption by SD. @PlotSpoiler, I'm not trying to obfuscate anything. I stated my opinion regarding the evidence presented. The article on the Israeli theft of Arab cuisine was made a long, long time ago, when SD first started here. That she has moved on to writing articles like Mountains in the Golan Heights (which looks fine to me) shows just how far she has come. I don't believe in holding editors to task for things they did when they first started editing here. I see an evolution. If you don't, you are entitled to your opinion, as I to mine. There's no need for outrageous hyperbole. Tiamut 16:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

"She"? I'm a man. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. I didn't know and just assumed you were a lady. I have a pro-female gender bias. Tiamut 17:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The mountains article is currently locked due to edit warring over content**, plus if you read the protracted talk page discussion and comments on other user pages about raising a new RfC, it gives the appearance that SD's true intent may be to force name changes to the mountains. Essentially this circumvents three-related RfCs in the past 6 months that found no consensus to change the article/mountain names from Hebrew to Arabic) --nsaum75 16:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see evidence that disruption on the part of SD is to blame for that state of affairs. At least two other editors were warned about edit-warring there along with him, and there have been colossal failures of W:AGF exhibited on all sides. Tiamut 17:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Other users are involved this time around, but it is SD who keeps trying to change the article names which then leads to a downward spiral of edit warring. I don't have a crystal ball, but I think the fact that SD keeps trying to find different ways to bring the issue up (especially within a short period of time) causes other editors to get frustrated. I'm not excusing everyones behavior (as Breein1007 can be battleground-minded as well), but in this instance, regarding the mountains, SD seems to be the primary instigator of the issue via his repeated attempts to find a way to change the names of the mountains. --nsaum75 17:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If it is me, then what is this: and who is the one edit warring against consensus? Why haven't you brought this up? And what is "circumvents three-related RfC" what was decided during those RfCs? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Plot Spoiler

Supreme exhibits over the top WP:Battleground behavior and the evidence presented shows that Supreme is incapable of WP:NPOV edits when it comes to I/P articles. Creating WP:Soap articles like "Israeli theft of Arab cuisine" and that Israeli has hijacked everything else in Arab culture (hookah, falafel, etc.), regardless of the fact that over 50% of Israel's population is composed of Jews of Middle Eastern origin.

Supreme has long exhibited this POV and uncivil behavior and methinks it's time for a topic ban. Seriously. Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Comment by User:ZScarpia removed. Added nothing but further battleground behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

You have my apology. Is it permissible to state that I think Plot Spoiler's behaviour is partisan and not innocent of the kind of thing which Supreme Deliciousness is being accused of? ← ZScarpia 18:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If you have a complaint to make, file a report. Plot Spoiler's moral credibility is not at issue.--Tznkai (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll butt out. Personally, I do think that the "moral credibility" of those commenting on this page is an issue. ← ZScarpia 19:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we be friends?? Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Certainly colleague, why not? I'm just a bit tired of the litigiousness in the IP area and seeing glasshouse dwellers indulging in rock-throwing. ← ZScarpia 19:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I prefer a brick house. Bow chicka bow wow. Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear, a case of mistaken identity. I've apologised on your talk page. ← ZScarpia 01:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Supreme Deliciousness

What is the sanction or remedy that I have violated?

Many of the comments he have brought up and things I have done are comments and things from a long time ago.

At the Hookah talkpage, how do you explain this edit IP just removed the word "Palestine" and replaced it with "Israel".

Nsaum75 claims that "properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus".. It was about an Israeli guy without any kind of scientific research to back him up, was making up his own mind about what the bible said, basically re-writing the bible and drawing his own conclusion from it. And based on this they wanted to ad to the article that Hummus Is Israeli. And Nsaum75 calls this "properly sourced information about Israel and Hummus".

At the falafel article, Nsaum75 kept on adding several Israeli pictures into the article, that is not neutral. If there is anyone that should be sanctioned, its him for keeping on adding exclusively Israeli pictures in as many articles as he can, he show a strong pro-Israel pushing views, this is not neutral.

Many of these things he have brought up are content disputes where he or others have an Israeli pov and I a neutral worldview. I am not edit warring at any of these articles and I always talk at the talkpage.

About the "Dismisses sources based upon the fact they are from Israel or are written by Israelis and/or Jews." Yes I said they were unreliable for setting the standardized name in English for several reasons, they would of course use the Israeli name: Some of these Israeli sources have for example been written by the Chairman of the Israeli Golan Lobby and Ariel Encyclopedia speaks about Golan as if it was a part of Israel. And several others including an admin have dismissed Israeli sources for setting the standardized name in English by just the fact that they are from Israel:

"Advice to other editors" Ani Medjool had very strong language, and what I meant about that was that he might get banned if he continues, just like if pro-israeli editors hated Palestinians, but they cant show it cause they would get banned, so I told him that if he feel the way he feels he should be quiet about it. For the sake of the encyclopedia, to avoid unnecessary drama.

"Skirting CfDs" This was never "skirting", it was a different category, and I accepted the deletion of it as the majority of people wanted it gone.

"Politicizes non political talk pages" How is it neutral to have the Israeli tag first about an area that is by all countries on earth recognized as part of Syria? And how many edits at each article did I do this? 1 time.

"Games the system" This is completely BS, if you look at all the neutral comments and sources, you can see that there was greater support for the standardized arabic names, not hebrew, look at the uninvolved comments, how many of these support the hebrew?

*I favour using both Arabic and Hebrew names where possible with the primary names being Arabic where a choice has to be made... To use Israeli names as the primary names for geographical features that are in Syrian territory is highly inappropriate in my view. I'd even say that this is the kind of thing that can bring Misplaced Pages into disrepute. These features already had and still have internationally recognised Arabic names. Linguistically re-mapping an occupied landscape is about as far from neutral as you can get.

I would suggest that the Arabic name should be the primary one Second thoughts - Since this is the English WP, names should be English ones as far as possible. Thus tel (Hill - ?) and jebel (mountain) could conveniently be trasnlated, provided an English foirm can be found to he been used by some one.

English is the way to go and, as suggested, material produced either by international or standard Enclish-language physical geography texts should be preferred.

I'd say English names or names most used in English WP:RS, but having the most reliable sources be International ones like UN, encyclopedias, truly neutral sources and not publications from Israel or Arab sources. If there is a fair equality in which is used, use both.

"most common form in English" I went to the GeoNames server -- which is a reasonable reliable source for the names actually used for towns, hills, mountains, lakes, etc. (It uses an extensive database compiled from a number of sources.) I was unable to find any elevation in Israel named "Paras", but I did find http://www.geonames.org/maps/google_32.958_35.862.html this entry for a "Tall el Faras", with no significant alternate names. Make of this what you will. My objection to using the Jerusalem Post would not be due to any political bias, but because I doubt its editorial staff would know what native English speakers actually habitually call it: I would assume their native language is Hebrew.

Is there a common name used internationally for these mountains? Steering clear if the political or legal ownership of the Golan Heights, which I feel doesn't have much relevence to the debate, do geological organisations and publications usually use the Hebrew or Arabic?

There is a pressing interest for both languages. Both languages should be used.

Almost all the sources brought up for the Arabic were English, while almost all of them brought up for the hebrew were Israeli and some of them implied Golan as part of Israel, and also an article from the "Jewish Virtual Libray" that was sourced from Misplaced Pages. And the israeli side just said "no" to the change, so this is how there was no move of the articles. Am I not allowed to open a new RfC now?

The reason why the article Mountains in the Golan Heights is locked down now is because user Breein edit warred his own pov into the article, the names right now are hebrew first, because there was allegedly "No consensus" for the change, yet Brein changed the position of the translation to put the hebrew first without any kind of consensus, and its interesting that Nsaum75 do not mention this.

Nsaum also claims that "SD's true intent may be to force name changes".. no it is not and I told malik this on his talkpage that I myself had changed to the hebrew first and that I would not change it to the standardized Arabic as the discussion is now:

"SD often edits in cooperation" This is a completely baseless attack against me, I edit by myself and with no one else.

I am not edit warring at any of these articles, some things I have said (most in the past), maybe I shouldn't have said them, but I always edit from a neutral pov, and I do not edit war and always talk at the talkpage. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding photos and "pov-pushing": I think my edit and photographic contribution history speaks for itself. --nsaum75 17:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Malik Shabazz

In the interest of brevity I will make only two comments.

1) This week Supreme Deliciousness twice felt the need to rearrange WikiProject banners so Syria came before Israel, in one case participating in a revert war (although he himself made only one revert).

2) The above characterization of photos as Israeli is typical. Because of the WP:BATTLE behavior of Supreme Deliciousness and Ani medjool, Falafel has an image gallery in which "Israeli" photos of the food are "balanced" by photos from other countries. See Falafel#Image gallery. (The use of quotation marks indicates the silliness of describing a photograph as having a nationality.)

— Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 17:55, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, Malik, falafel is originally an Arab food. I know its hard for non-Arabs to understand why it is offensive to Arabs when Israel claims it as its own, and that fact in no way justifies edit-warring to remove pictures of falafel from Israel from the article. However, there is a disproportionate focus, both imagery and text wise on Israel, in many articles on food items that are originally Arab. More pictures of these foods from Arab countries would be welcome, or conversely, when there is nothing Israeli-specific about the picture, there is no need to mention its from Israel. I believe you suggested that a couple of times, which was a good solution.

I do think these discussions can be very silly sometimes, but I do understand why they occur and do think there is an undue emphasis on Israel in articles on traditionally Arab food items (and not enough information on other Arab countries like Syria, Lebanon, etc). I wouldn't want to see people afraid to discuss that (sensibly and without casting aspersions as to people's intentions) by getting the impression that it is somehow inherently disruptive in and of itself. Tiamut 18:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

"To be fair," a "common theory" suggests that Egyptian Copts invented falafel -- much thanks they get for their compatriots, aye? See: Persecution of Copts. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

My uncle is an Egytian Copt who identifies as Arab. I realize some Copts don't. My comment however, assumed to include them. Sorry if I've offended anyone (particularly those Copts who don't identify as Arab). Anyway, this is not the place for this discussion. Sorry for bringing it up. Tiamut 18:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

And in regards to this report and not content, Falafel now has a gallery which is frowned upon and pictures chosen were purely for national issues and not to showcase the subject. Other editors won't even consider removing it because they don't want to reward the poor battlefield behavior that led to it. That is the epitome of battlefield behavior impacting the project nagativley. However, it was not just SD.Cptnono (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut, I understand the resentment that some Arabs feel because "Israel's national food" was appropriated from their cuisine. And I agree that there is usually no reason to mention the place where the food was prepared (unless there are national variations). What I don't understand is how fine pictures such as this or this can be dismissed as POV images that cannot be used because they were taken in Israel. And unfortunately Supreme Deliciousness often is an instigator of the discussions concerning these "POV" photos. (To be fair, however, he is hardly the worst offender.) — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 18:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning User

Please keep your comments short, to the point, and restricted only to what an uninvolved administrator needs to know. I am perfectly willing (and able) to apply discretionary sanctions based on behavior on AE alone, and I will get creative.--Tznkai (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I am detecting a non-trivial amount of battleground behavior from Supreme Deliciousness, especially in this very enforcement request. However, the most compelling and disturbing behavior adduced here is nearly a year old. (The June 2009 edit seems to hit the high watermark for bad behavior). Then again, Supreme deliciousness' response does not engender confidence in me that Supreme Delciousness has shed his battleground mentality and is capable of assuming good faith when need be. I am currently most convinced by Taimut's comments above, but continuing to look into this.--Tznkai (talk) 17:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I am currently leaning towards a topic ban on all edits involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in.

This topic ban will run for three months or until I see one of the following: A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on what order to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject, or a 3000 word essay on the meaning and importance of assuming good faith and avoiding battleground behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, if anyone feels like Supreme Deliciousness is being targeted unfairly, please file additional reports pointing me at the other bad offenders.--Tznkai (talk) 18:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd prefer to see editors encouraged not to report each other (except for really serious rule violations). ← ZScarpia 00:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

A couple of questions: what do you mean by "A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on what order to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject" I don't understand what you mean. Also could you please point out precisely what sanction or remedy I have violated, and how I violated it and does this topic ban also include talking about these things at the talkpages? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Certainly. I mean I want you to create a comprehensive guideline that can resolve naming disputes amicably on all Levant articles, and that you would after e-mailing it to me, submit it to IPCollab where it will hopefully be discussed, bandied about, improved and implemented. Remedy 1.1 states that "Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages." The policy on what Misplaced Pages is not states that "Misplaced Pages is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, or nurture prejudice, hatred, or fear. Making personal battles out of Misplaced Pages discussions goes directly against our policies and goals. Every user is expected to interact with others civilly, calmly, and in a spirit of cooperation" which you have failed to do, as seen by your behavior in your statement above, as well as several of the edits pointed out, specifically the June 2009 edit. The topic ban covers all edits, across all namespaces, including talk pages. There is a common sense exception which allows you to appeal this decision or contest a complaint against you without violating a topic ban.--Tznkai (talk) 19:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

You said "topic ban on all edits involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things",, so does this also include origin of people? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

No, it does not, because I saw no evidence you have issues with people as of yet.--Tznkai (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Tznkai, considering, that almost all of the things brought up in this request are 9-10 months old, how can you put this long topic ban on me? Can you show me one edit I have done that is not neutral? okey I know I have said some things that I shouldn't have said, but they are mostly from my past, and I promise I wont say those sorts of things again. The extent of this proposed topic ban "the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in." is way out of proportion for what I have done, the improper comments I made are at the food articles so why does this proposed topic ban for example cover "geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper" or what order to put names? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Comment - SD is currently under Arbcom restrictions that affects his abilities to change the ethnicity or nationality of people per this decision. nsaum75 23:40, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

My current topic ban doesn't cover talkpages. (and the remedie you link to didn't pass, another one did) --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

My intent was to post to your remedy sub-section, that included all proposals. However you are correct in that you can edit talk pages. There is a method in place with which you can make changes to nationalities and ethnicities via article talk pages. Since you say you can change and edit not allow your personal feelings to impede on your editing style, perhaps a similar restriction to talk pages would be more effective here. It would allow you to prove to other editors that you can change, while still allowing you some participation in IP articles. Change takes time, and while you say most of your tenacious editing was 9 months ago, as of this past week you are still trying to push for major changes based upon nationalistic concerns (e.g. the order of wikiprojects, mountain articles, national park article titles) --nsaum75 23:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

How is it "nationalistic concerns" to change the "List of national parks and nature reserves in Israel" so it also includes the occupied territories when the list includes the occupied territories and according to a general discussion it is clear that the areas are not part of Israel but occupied: Am I un-neutral? Was there something wrong with that edit? This is not my personal concerns or views, this is the entire worldview. What major push at mountain article? When I added the hebrew first and said I wasn't going to change it? or when I changed back Breeins edit warring of the translation without consensus? ? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You only changed the order of the mountain names putting the original article name (hebrew) back first after a long and drawn out discussion. I was not addressing Breein1007 editwarring of the translation. Anyhow, I am leaving this up to the admins to decide. They can read the diffs, arguments and edit histories and decide for themselves. Its not necessary to import disagreements from other articles to this AE. --nsaum75 00:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

- - removing comment by Ani medjool Breein1007 (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

"Also, if anyone feels like Supreme Deliciousness is being targeted unfairly, please file additional reports pointing me at the other bad offenders."--Tznkai (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

- - removing comment by Ani medjool Breein1007 (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

You follow the instructions posted at the top of this page. And if you use "this jew" as an epithet again, you will be blocked indefinitely.--Tznkai (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok, unacceptable, uncivil behavior. 'Nuff said. Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Tznkai, I think you should block Ani medjool indefinitely for the comments s/he made here. This is not the first time and s/he's already received multiple warnings for this. If you need diffs, I'll get them. Tiamut 19:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I am seriously considering it, but I just gave a warning two lines above, and it seems a bit... tyrannical, to warn and then block before they've had a chance to correct behavior.--Tznkai (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

S/he already got that a final warning just four days ago. Its okay to block I think. Tiamut 19:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Since this is about SD and Tznkai has provided a warning we should drop it here for now. If he is not blocked by another admin in the next couple of hours I'll spend a few minutes to put a report together. Crossing the Ts and dotting the Is just so there is no question (at least in several editors eyes) as to what result is appropriate. Wow... Tiamut and I agree on something.Cptnono (talk) 19:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Some previous warnings to Ani medjool for the same kind of thing: March 24, 2010, February 15, 2010. These comments are totally unacceptable. A year ago, I thought the problem was a language thing, but its clearly a serious behavioural issue for which there is no resolution in sight. Tiamut 19:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning User

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Supreme Deliciousness is topic banned from all edits, across all Misplaced Pages namespaces, involving the names, origins, or visual depiction of places and things within the Levant region, (interpreted in all occasions to include all things that are described now or in the past as Israel or Israeli, Palestine, or Palestinian, Middle East or Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean). To be clear, this includes geographic features, whether areas are Israel proper, all of the cuisine in the area, and what order you put the non-English language in.

This topic ban will run for 30 days from 00:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC) or until I see one of the following: A comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on naming conventions, to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject; a comprehensive and good faith proposal for a neutral standard on how images are chosen for Levant cuisine, to be submitted for the consideration of The Israel Palestine Collaboration WikiProject; or a 3000 word essay on the meaning and importance of assuming good faith and avoiding battleground behavior.

There is, as always, an exemption for appeals of this and other adverse decision and participation in necessary dispute resolution

--Tznkai (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Hittit

Users placed on various editing and revert restrictions.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Hittit User requesting enforcement Sardur (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Hittit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Disruptive behaviour and edit war, denial of consensus to merge an article, as can be seen on the article talk page. removal of the merge tag reverting the merge, pretending it's vandalism reverting the merge, pretending it's vandalism reverting it again Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) Warning by NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs) - notification by Aregakn (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Edit war + battleground = topic ban, afaik Additional comments by editor filing complaint I think the diffs are quite self speaking (oh, another diff on "vandalism" on this article - and canvassing, on top, against which he has been warned - and another diff "warning" me about edit war when, at that time, I only edited the article once). Take also note that on the talk page of the article, Hittit never raised a substantial argument but only made personal comments. Sardur (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC) On "Sardur’s tactics to shift discussions and attentions" (another personal attack, on top): I would not have made this request without Hittit's last revert. This is totally unconnected. Sardur (talk) 09:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC) Stifle, one would have hoped so, but he has not: new revert. Sardur (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Hittit To Stifle: were said activity to continue, where would the proper venue be to take up resolving such matters? again the ArbCom board? the ANI?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC) To the involved parties, I'd like to state only some of the observations of Hittit's violations for your consideration in regard of this arbitration: 1) Minimum 2 violations of reliable sources as well as user national background and neutrality on the “Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims” article as described in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2: Further reading - Publications Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Published by The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne 1919 The Armenian Atrocities to the Turks in Kars:The Mass Grave Excavation of Kalo/Derecik Village, by Şenol Kantarcı, Yrd. Doç. Dr., Süleyman Demirel Üniversitesi, Atatürk İlkeleri ve İnkılâp Tarihi Bölüm Başkanı These sources are undoubtfully mentioned for reading as a propaganda material and WP:SOAP, which I also believe the whole article is for. 2) 2 reverts in less than 2 days violating 1RR on the Armenian Genocide Article: The 1st edit: The reverts: 3) All of the 3 changes above can easily be refered as Disruptive Editing (again as per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2) with the editor not willing to get to the point as in WP:DE and discussed on the talk of Armenian Genocide article here . 4) 3 other 1RR violations of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2: The 1st edit: The reverts: 5) These above could once again be seen in accordance to Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 as Disruptive Edits with a controversial change of the meaning of the whole article and with violation of Consensus 6) Clear WP:OR, WP:SYNTH with faking the author's wording and context in Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims edits discussed and proved on it's talk-page Talk:Persecution of Ottoman Muslims and Turks 1821-1922. These are surely methods the Hittit continuously uses to raise racial hatred in the reader and propaganda (WP:SOAP). 7) A possible vandalism deleting an image of New York Times from the Armenian Genocide article with no reasoning or discussion . Aregakn (talk) 00:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Aregakn (talk) 01:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Statement by Hittit I find it pointless to engage in a war of words and succumb to Sardur’s tactics to shift discussions and attentions from one WP:AE to another. I am not looking for a battleground and would propose Sardur to have a look at his own revert and editing history. I personally have had enough of this charade. I leave this matter to the admins since I feel they have had enough of this behaviour as well. --Hittit (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Hittit As per above noted by the filing party and the added 7 points by me, especially in conditions of the continuous similar actions by the responding party even after multiple warnings, I'd see an indefinite ban from related topics including nationalities and/or history etc. the minimal for this kind of, to put it mildly, WP:Tendentious editing. Aregakn (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Hittit This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. We had this at #MarshallBagramyan, more or less. I think Hittit has got the clue that he needs to quit it and any more similar activity will be viewed dimly. Stifle (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC) Arbitration enforcement is not a place for people who want to reduce the opposition to their position to be requesting sanctions against their opponents to get them out of their way. The low percentage of recent edits that Hittit, Aregakn, and Sardur have made to the mainspace is depressing. A major issue to me is that Hittit's edit summaries have the tendency to be at best misleading. Evidence: describes undoing a merge as "Greek revolution, adding figures" describes removing a quotation as "space_line" describes undoing a merge as "reverting vandalism" and incorrectly refers to a merge as a deletion. describes undoing a merge as "additions" Therefore: Hittit (talk · contribs) is placed on edit summary parole until the end of July. Should he make an edit using a misleading edit summary, he may be blocked by an uninvolved administrator for an appropriate time. I would see this starting at 3 days for a first infraction. All parties hereto are urged to work on editing pages and collegially discussing their edits rather than engaging in tit-for-tat complaining about grievances, real or perceived. If I see further issues show up here, I am very likely to go through the reporter and reportee's edits with a very fine-tooth comb with a mind to imposing substantial topic bans. As ever, read WP:FOOTSHOT. Secondly, the mischaracterization of another's edit as vandalism when it is simply an edit with which you disagree is nothing short of a personal attack. Therefore: Hittit (talk · contribs) and Aregakn (talk · contribs) are placed on an editing restriction in the following terms for one year. Should either describe any edit in the area of conflict (construed widely) as vandalism (including, but not limited to, in edit summaries, talk page posts, and AE requests), other than an edit, reverting which would be exempt from the 3RR, they may be blocked for an appropriate duration by an uninvolved administrator. This includes, but is not limited to, references to vandalism with a qualifier such as "obvious", "simple", or "possible". Finally, reverts. I note that Armenian Genocide has been edited only once in the last week. However, Hittit's reverts need attention. Therefore: Hittit (talk · contribs) is limited for one year to one revert per article per week in the area of conflict, construed widely. Hittit is required to post an explanation for any revert he does make on the talk page of the article in question, to be at least 50 words, in English, within 30 minutes of making the revert. Exceeding the revert limitation or failure to discuss in accordance with this remedy will be grounds for blocking by an uninvolved administrator; I would see this starting at 1 day for a first infraction. For the avoidance of doubt, this will run concurrently to any existing revert restriction to which Hittit is subject. I am not in a position to discern what is and is not a reliable source in the context of this issue. WP:RS/N is the place to go for that. The power to impose the above sanctions arises from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement. Further discussion about issues in the area of conflict not related to this enforcement request should go to WP:CCN. Parties are specifically requested not to post complaints or grievances about other persons at my talk page (excepting violations of the above sanctions); if a further actionable issue arises it can be posted in a new AE request. Appeals and requests for clarification of this decision are of course permitted on my talk (or, at the option of the appellant, on this noticeboard or to ArbCom). Stifle (talk) 08:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Users placed on various editing and revert restrictions.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Hittit

User requesting enforcement: Sardur (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Hittit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: Disruptive behaviour and edit war, denial of consensus to merge an article, as can be seen on the article talk page.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Warning by NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs)
- notification by Aregakn (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Edit war + battleground = topic ban, afaik

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I think the diffs are quite self speaking (oh, another diff on "vandalism" on this article - and canvassing, on top, against which he has been warned - and another diff "warning" me about edit war when, at that time, I only edited the article once). Take also note that on the talk page of the article, Hittit never raised a substantial argument but only made personal comments. Sardur (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

On "Sardur’s tactics to shift discussions and attentions" (another personal attack, on top): I would not have made this request without Hittit's last revert. This is totally unconnected. Sardur (talk) 09:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Stifle, one would have hoped so, but he has not: new revert. Sardur (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Hittit

To Stifle: were said activity to continue, where would the proper venue be to take up resolving such matters? again the ArbCom board? the ANI?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

To the involved parties, I'd like to state only some of the observations of Hittit's violations for your consideration in regard of this arbitration:

1) Minimum 2 violations of reliable sources as well as user national background and neutrality on the “Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims” article as described in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2:

Statement by Hittit

I find it pointless to engage in a war of words and succumb to Sardur’s tactics to shift discussions and attentions from one WP:AE to another. I am not looking for a battleground and would propose Sardur to have a look at his own revert and editing history. I personally have had enough of this charade. I leave this matter to the admins since I feel they have had enough of this behaviour as well. --Hittit (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Hittit

As per above noted by the filing party and the added 7 points by me, especially in conditions of the continuous similar actions by the responding party even after multiple warnings, I'd see an indefinite ban from related topics including nationalities and/or history etc. the minimal for this kind of, to put it mildly, WP:Tendentious editing. Aregakn (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Hittit

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

We had this at #MarshallBagramyan, more or less. I think Hittit has got the clue that he needs to quit it and any more similar activity will be viewed dimly. Stifle (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement is not a place for people who want to reduce the opposition to their position to be requesting sanctions against their opponents to get them out of their way. The low percentage of recent edits that Hittit, Aregakn, and Sardur have made to the mainspace is depressing. A major issue to me is that Hittit's edit summaries have the tendency to be at best misleading. Evidence:
- describes undoing a merge as "Greek revolution, adding figures"
- describes removing a quotation as "space_line"
- describes undoing a merge as "reverting vandalism" and incorrectly refers to a merge as a deletion.
- describes undoing a merge as "additions"
Therefore:
- Hittit (talk · contribs) is placed on edit summary parole until the end of July. Should he make an edit using a misleading edit summary, he may be blocked by an uninvolved administrator for an appropriate time. I would see this starting at 3 days for a first infraction.
- All parties hereto are urged to work on editing pages and collegially discussing their edits rather than engaging in tit-for-tat complaining about grievances, real or perceived. If I see further issues show up here, I am very likely to go through the reporter and reportee's edits with a very fine-tooth comb with a mind to imposing substantial topic bans. As ever, read WP:FOOTSHOT.
Secondly, the mischaracterization of another's edit as vandalism when it is simply an edit with which you disagree is nothing short of a personal attack. Therefore:
- Hittit (talk · contribs) and Aregakn (talk · contribs) are placed on an editing restriction in the following terms for one year. Should either describe any edit in the area of conflict (construed widely) as vandalism (including, but not limited to, in edit summaries, talk page posts, and AE requests), other than an edit, reverting which would be exempt from the 3RR, they may be blocked for an appropriate duration by an uninvolved administrator. This includes, but is not limited to, references to vandalism with a qualifier such as "obvious", "simple", or "possible".
Finally, reverts. I note that Armenian Genocide has been edited only once in the last week. However, Hittit's reverts need attention. Therefore:
- Hittit (talk · contribs) is limited for one year to one revert per article per week in the area of conflict, construed widely. Hittit is required to post an explanation for any revert he does make on the talk page of the article in question, to be at least 50 words, in English, within 30 minutes of making the revert. Exceeding the revert limitation or failure to discuss in accordance with this remedy will be grounds for blocking by an uninvolved administrator; I would see this starting at 1 day for a first infraction. For the avoidance of doubt, this will run concurrently to any existing revert restriction to which Hittit is subject.
I am not in a position to discern what is and is not a reliable source in the context of this issue. WP:RS/N is the place to go for that.

The power to impose the above sanctions arises from Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement.

Further discussion about issues in the area of conflict not related to this enforcement request should go to WP:CCN. Parties are specifically requested not to post complaints or grievances about other persons at my talk page (excepting violations of the above sanctions); if a further actionable issue arises it can be posted in a new AE request. Appeals and requests for clarification of this decision are of course permitted on my talk (or, at the option of the appellant, on this noticeboard or to ArbCom). Stifle (talk) 08:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Proxima Centauri

User given appropriate warning about sanctions.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Proxima Centauri User requesting enforcement -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Proxima Centauri (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Discretionary_topic_ban Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 16:46, 2 December 2009 -- Violation of WP:COPYLINKS. 13:47, 15 December 2009 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS, "youfoundthecard.com". 06:37, 30 March 2010 -- Unsourced change, at article Shawn Lonsdale. 16:18, 30 March 2010 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS for use on biographical page, "crypticclarity.com". 07:56, 9 May 2010 -- Unsourced change, at article Shawn Lonsdale. 18:13, 9 May 2010 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS for use on biographical page, "digg.com". Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) 14:27, 15 December 2009 -- Notice regarding WP:ARBSCI remedies, given by Cirt (talk · contribs) Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Applicable remedies from WP:ARBSCI cannot yet be applied, because the only administrator to issue an informative notice regarding the existence of WP:ARBSCI to this user was myself, (not an uninvolved admin). Therefore, at this point in time discretionary sanctions could be applied using the prior case, WP:COFS, which placed all pages within the topic on Article Probation. However, it might be best to start by having an uninvolved administrator formally give this user a warning regarding issues including poor sourcing which fails WP:RS on this topic, as well as WP:COPYLINKS, and a more specific warning regarding the existence of remedies from WP:ARBSCI and WP:COFS arbitration cases. -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Additional comments by editor filing complaint Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested 18:35, 9 May 2010. -- Cirt (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Discussion concerning Proxima Centauri Statement by Proxima Centauri I don't understand what the problem is. Proxima Centauri The source I used shows clearly that some suspect muder which is all I suggested. (talk) 18:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Proxima Centauri Result concerning Proxima Centauri This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Request granted. I will be leaving the warning for Proxima Centauri. Sandstein 19:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC) — Y Done. Sandstein 19:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

User given appropriate warning about sanctions.

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Request concerning Proxima Centauri

User requesting enforcement: -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Proxima Centauri (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Discretionary_topic_ban

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

16:46, 2 December 2009 -- Violation of WP:COPYLINKS.
13:47, 15 December 2009 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS, "youfoundthecard.com".
06:37, 30 March 2010 -- Unsourced change, at article Shawn Lonsdale.
16:18, 30 March 2010 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS for use on biographical page, "crypticclarity.com".
07:56, 9 May 2010 -- Unsourced change, at article Shawn Lonsdale.
18:13, 9 May 2010 -- Addition of source that fails WP:RS for use on biographical page, "digg.com".

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

14:27, 15 December 2009 -- Notice regarding WP:ARBSCI remedies, given by Cirt (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Applicable remedies from WP:ARBSCI cannot yet be applied, because the only administrator to issue an informative notice regarding the existence of WP:ARBSCI to this user was myself, (not an uninvolved admin). Therefore, at this point in time discretionary sanctions could be applied using the prior case, WP:COFS, which placed all pages within the topic on Article Probation. However, it might be best to start by having an uninvolved administrator formally give this user a warning regarding issues including poor sourcing which fails WP:RS on this topic, as well as WP:COPYLINKS, and a more specific warning regarding the existence of remedies from WP:ARBSCI and WP:COFS arbitration cases. -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

18:35, 9 May 2010. -- Cirt (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Proxima Centauri

Statement by Proxima Centauri

I don't understand what the problem is. Proxima Centauri The source I used shows clearly that some suspect muder which is all I suggested. (talk) 18:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Proxima Centauri

Result concerning Proxima Centauri

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Request granted. I will be leaving the warning for Proxima Centauri. Sandstein 19:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC) — Y Done. Sandstein 19:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Tuscumbia

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Not actionable because insufficient information is provided.
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Request concerning Tuscumbia User requesting enforcement Ліонкінг (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Tuscumbia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Sanction or remedy that this user violated Vandalism, Prosecution of other users Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it , , , , , , , , , Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required) # Warning by Ліонкінг (talk · contribs) Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) Block Additional comments by editor filing complaint This request is not only about the actions of User:Tuscumbia, but also about the actions of User:Brandmeister and User:NovaSkola Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Tuscumbia User:Tuscumbia, User:Brandmeister and User:NovaSkola consistently remove all my edits. I've created a template about cities of the NKR. Tusumbia reverted all my edits and Brandmeister tooked this template on deletion. It is not the first conflict. Here You can see that several pro-Azeri users make a war in this article. However here is a discussion, this three users can't stop and continue the war of edits. More than that User:NovaSkola during the discussion of this article twice ( & ) moved the name of article even not participating in discussion and rudely after his second move he make a request for protection of the name on his point of view, however there were a discussion. By the way, today he moved the name of Mardakert (town) () Speaking about the actions of Tuscumbia, I also ask the administrators to take attentions on this edits: , , , , , , . This user just revert all my edits and delete my neutral source and pick unneutral source which can't be tooked in attention. --Ліонкінг (talk) 19:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC) Statement by Tuscumbia It's pretty obvious that the user Ліонкінг (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who repeatedly inserts his POV all over Misplaced Pages articles related to Armenia and Karabakh completely disregarding AA2 rules even though he was already warned by administrators as a result of a report by another editor not so long ago. He's also been warned by at least 2 editors: , . I am not sure if he wants to retaliate or simply lure editors into arbitration enforcements but the fact is that all of his edits speak of POV and Armenian propoganda. As a reply to his allegations above, please see the response below: First and foremost, his newly created template Template:NKR is already unnecessary in those and any other articles since this template Template:Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic already exists. However, behind his actions, there is a hidden agenda. Since the articles on Azerbaijani regions of Lachin, Kelbajar, Zangilan, Aghdara, Khojavend, Goranboy, Shusha couldn't be renamed by him because they are de-jure parts of Azerbaijan under military control of Armenian forces, in his new template, these districts and towns are indicated by the very Armenian names that he wants them to be named. So, by going on template-inserting spree, he wants to mislead the readers with his POV template while the actual articles do not have those names. Secondly, any articles on de-jure Azerbaijani locations under current military control of Armenian forces cannot be named with Armenian names simply because they are unrecognized by the international community at large. If they are not renamed by the legal owners and accepted by international community, Misplaced Pages articles should stick to the commonly accepted ways of naming the geographic locations. As an example, please see the article on the Armenian village of Artsvashen located in the small enclave within Azerbaijan which since the Nagorno-Karabakh War has been under control of Azerbaijani forces. As far as anyone can see, the article was not renamed to the Azeri name. Nor is there any Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan templates in the article. The user Ліонкінг continues to vandalize Misplaced Pages articles and no action or supervision is being enforced. As an act of courtesy, many editors have to keep reverting his biased POV pushing statements and edits and allow him to continue but the longer he continues to disregard AA2 rules, the more damage he causes within the scope of Azerbaijani-Armenian articles. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Tuscumbia Ліонкінг from your request for enforcement it does not become clear if you have sought dispute resolution before initiating this request for enforcement? If you have not requested a prior dispute resolution the arbitration enforcement should not be a place to be requesting sanctions against “opponents” and thus effectively seeking their ban on editing. My five cents on the matter. regards --Hittit (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC) They revert all my edits and delete all my contributions, so I can't work normally. They use unhonest thinks and presecute my contributions, so I think that it is not normally. --Ліонкінг (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC) I don't insert my POW, I just neutralise the articles which contains only the Azeri POW. If You have smth against me - pass a clam. But I will remind You that the last Your claim against me was unsuccesful, as I have not violated the ruls. I was tooked into attention only because I'm active editor in this theme, not for smth else. You speak about Armenian propoganda, but it's very funny to hear from You about it. Firstly You revertes my links from Soviet census and picked a doubtful information about the population, while on that link were even no year of estimate number of population. Secondly You've reverted my edits where I've picked the template:NKR in the NKR cities (note: all this cities have 2 Azeri templates: 1) cities of Azerbaijan; 2) cities, towns and villages of each districts). You systematicaly say that I'm nationalist and I'm representative of Armenian propoganda. It is very unpolite. Template:NKR and Template:Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are different templates. I'm sure that You understand it, but make any noise to delete this template. I don't want to meslead readers. Recent versions of articles bout NKR meslead the readers. They consists only Azeri POW and only Azeri templates about cities. You can unrecognise NKR so mush, as You want, but You can't deny the existence of NKR. The user Ліонкінг continues to vandalize Misplaced Pages articles and no action or supervision is being enforced. As an act of courtesy, many editors have to keep reverting his biased POV pushing statements and edits and allow him to continue but the longer he continues to disregard AA2 rules, the more damage he causes within the scope of Azerbaijani-Armenian articles. - I Think that for this slander he should has an additional block. --Ліонкінг (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Tuscumbia This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Closed as not actionable. Neither an arbitration remedy that is believed to be violated nor an explained list of diffs of edits that are believed to violate such a remedy are provided in this request. This board is not a forum for dispute resolution; see WP:DR. Sandstein 21:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Not actionable because insufficient information is provided.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Tuscumbia

User requesting enforcement: Ліонкінг (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Tuscumbia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Vandalism, Prosecution of other users

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: , , , , , , , , ,
Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): # Warning by Ліонкінг (talk · contribs)
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: This request is not only about the actions of User:Tuscumbia, but also about the actions of User:Brandmeister and User:NovaSkola

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Tuscumbia

User:Tuscumbia, User:Brandmeister and User:NovaSkola consistently remove all my edits. I've created a template about cities of the NKR. Tusumbia reverted all my edits and Brandmeister tooked this template on deletion. It is not the first conflict. Here You can see that several pro-Azeri users make a war in this article. However here is a discussion, this three users can't stop and continue the war of edits. More than that User:NovaSkola during the discussion of this article twice ( & ) moved the name of article even not participating in discussion and rudely after his second move he make a request for protection of the name on his point of view, however there were a discussion. By the way, today he moved the name of Mardakert (town) () Speaking about the actions of Tuscumbia, I also ask the administrators to take attentions on this edits: , , , , , , . This user just revert all my edits and delete my neutral source and pick unneutral source which can't be tooked in attention. --Ліонкінг (talk) 19:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Tuscumbia

It's pretty obvious that the user Ліонкінг (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who repeatedly inserts his POV all over Misplaced Pages articles related to Armenia and Karabakh completely disregarding AA2 rules even though he was already warned by administrators as a result of a report by another editor not so long ago. He's also been warned by at least 2 editors: , . I am not sure if he wants to retaliate or simply lure editors into arbitration enforcements but the fact is that all of his edits speak of POV and Armenian propoganda. As a reply to his allegations above, please see the response below:

First and foremost, his newly created template Template:NKR is already unnecessary in those and any other articles since this template Template:Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic already exists. However, behind his actions, there is a hidden agenda. Since the articles on Azerbaijani regions of Lachin, Kelbajar, Zangilan, Aghdara, Khojavend, Goranboy, Shusha couldn't be renamed by him because they are de-jure parts of Azerbaijan under military control of Armenian forces, in his new template, these districts and towns are indicated by the very Armenian names that he wants them to be named. So, by going on template-inserting spree, he wants to mislead the readers with his POV template while the actual articles do not have those names.
Secondly, any articles on de-jure Azerbaijani locations under current military control of Armenian forces cannot be named with Armenian names simply because they are unrecognized by the international community at large. If they are not renamed by the legal owners and accepted by international community, Misplaced Pages articles should stick to the commonly accepted ways of naming the geographic locations. As an example, please see the article on the Armenian village of Artsvashen located in the small enclave within Azerbaijan which since the Nagorno-Karabakh War has been under control of Azerbaijani forces. As far as anyone can see, the article was not renamed to the Azeri name. Nor is there any Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan templates in the article.

The user Ліонкінг continues to vandalize Misplaced Pages articles and no action or supervision is being enforced. As an act of courtesy, many editors have to keep reverting his biased POV pushing statements and edits and allow him to continue but the longer he continues to disregard AA2 rules, the more damage he causes within the scope of Azerbaijani-Armenian articles. Tuscumbia (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Tuscumbia

Ліонкінг from your request for enforcement it does not become clear if you have sought dispute resolution before initiating this request for enforcement? If you have not requested a prior dispute resolution the arbitration enforcement should not be a place to be requesting sanctions against “opponents” and thus effectively seeking their ban on editing. My five cents on the matter. regards --Hittit (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

They revert all my edits and delete all my contributions, so I can't work normally. They use unhonest thinks and presecute my contributions, so I think that it is not normally. --Ліонкінг (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't insert my POW, I just neutralise the articles which contains only the Azeri POW. If You have smth against me - pass a clam. But I will remind You that the last Your claim against me was unsuccesful, as I have not violated the ruls. I was tooked into attention only because I'm active editor in this theme, not for smth else. You speak about Armenian propoganda, but it's very funny to hear from You about it. Firstly You revertes my links from Soviet census and picked a doubtful information about the population, while on that link were even no year of estimate number of population. Secondly You've reverted my edits where I've picked the template:NKR in the NKR cities (note: all this cities have 2 Azeri templates: 1) cities of Azerbaijan; 2) cities, towns and villages of each districts). You systematicaly say that I'm nationalist and I'm representative of Armenian propoganda. It is very unpolite.

Template:NKR and Template:Administrative divisions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are different templates. I'm sure that You understand it, but make any noise to delete this template. I don't want to meslead readers. Recent versions of articles bout NKR meslead the readers. They consists only Azeri POW and only Azeri templates about cities.

You can unrecognise NKR so mush, as You want, but You can't deny the existence of NKR.

The user Ліонкінг continues to vandalize Misplaced Pages articles and no action or supervision is being enforced. As an act of courtesy, many editors have to keep reverting his biased POV pushing statements and edits and allow him to continue but the longer he continues to disregard AA2 rules, the more damage he causes within the scope of Azerbaijani-Armenian articles. - I Think that for this slander he should has an additional block. --Ліонкінг (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Tuscumbia

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Closed as not actionable. Neither an arbitration remedy that is believed to be violated nor an explained list of diffs of edits that are believed to violate such a remedy are provided in this request. This board is not a forum for dispute resolution; see WP:DR. Sandstein 21:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Sciologos

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Request concerning Sciologos

User requesting enforcement: -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Sciologos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/COFS#Article_probation

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

19:17, 11 May 2010 -- Failure to WP:AGF, refusal to communicate with editor in good standing, at Talk:Xenu.
08:09, 11 May 2010 -- Lack of WP:CIVIL, violations of WP:NPA, comments directed at two specific editors as "half-Nazis".
17:58, 10 May 2010 -- Repeated failure to focus on content, instead directing comments at individual contributors.
17:34, 10 May 2010 -- Violation of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Scientology#Editors_instructed, editing through multiple different IPs and non-conventional ISPs, proxy configuration, open ports, etc. More info of other IPs listed at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sciologos.
20:36, 9 May 2010 -- Use of talkpage as WP:NOTFORUM, to propose violation of site policy, in order to add "advanced speculation" (user's own words, repeatedly posted to talk page despite being informed of site policies regarding WP:NOR.)
20:33, 9 May 2010 -- Repeated disruption and waste of talk page, in order to propose to violate WP:RS.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

18:03, 10 May 2010 -- Notice of prior ArbCom cases, WP:COFS and WP:ARBSCI, by Cirt (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Request topic ban from subject matter, Scientology and related articles - per violation of multiple policies in edits to area of ongoing Article Probation. -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Admin discretion may apply topic ban due to disruption at area under Article Probation from ArbCom per, Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/COFS#Article_probation. However, of course, remedies from WP:ARBSCI could also apply here, especially with regard to the WP:SPA nature involved. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

00:41, 12 May 2010. -- Cirt (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Sciologos

Statement by Sciologos

Comments by others about the request concerning Sciologos

Result concerning Sciologos

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The COFS article probation doesn't appear to apply in this instance as the user's only contributions are to talk pages and an SPI. WP:ARBSCI remedies 4 and 5.1 could be applicable, particularly the latter. I will wait a reasonable time to hear Sciologos's response before taking action against them; the action would be likely to constitute a topic ban from the Scientology area. Stifle (talk) 10:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Nipsonanomhmata

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Request concerning Nipsonanomhmata

User requesting enforcement: Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Nipsonanomhmata (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary sanctions (rv-warring; tendentious editing)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

, , , : sterile rv-warring over several days, currently at 3R (together with ), in order to include a blatantly POV qualifier on an ethnically contentious historical figure
, , : earlier rv-warring over the same issue on a different article; led to full protection of the article
: refusal to engage in meaningful discussion on the earlier occasion
, , Earlier rv-warring to include a passage of plagiarised text; led to full protection of article
Blocked for extensive rv-warring and a protracted campaign of tendentious OR editing on a different issue (the Zappas Olympics and related articles)

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

3RR Warning by Fut.Perf.
Arbmac warning by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Strict revert limitation (at a minimum at the same level recently imposed on a group of Albanian and Greek users by Stifle); possibly topic ban.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Nipsonanomhmata

Statement by Nipsonanomhmata

Fut Perf has accused me of doing what she has been doing. I have always debated these issues but she does not listen. Ali Pasha was no ordinary ruler. He was a despot of ill-repute who had a harem of boys (who were not volunteers) as well as women (who were not volunteers). Ali Pasha was a pederast, paedophile, rapist, and murderer who subdued the population where he was the despot. But any insinuation that he was anything less than a noble ruler is stomped upon by Fut Perf. And despite my providing numerous scholarly references (in the case of Ali Pasha every single reference has been deleted but more than that. Every single spelling correction on Ali Pasha was deleted until I pointed out that she was rv'ing every single spelling correction I had ever made).

In summary. I have never refused a meaningful discussion. I am just stomped on by Fut Perf. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to , , , . The scholarly reference that I have contributed has been deleted time and time again. Every single time I have reintroduced the reference I have given a perfectly reasonable response in the reintroduction of the reference. Moreover, 3R does not apply. There have not been 3 reversals in a 24 hour period. Nor have I been spitefully edit warring. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to . What has got to do with anything? I have contributed a useful reference and it has been reverted by somebody else. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to , , . The exact same scholarly reference is denied for no reasonable reason. A scholar refers to Ali Pasha as a "despot" throughout his book. He is not the only one that does so but he happens to be a global authority on the military history of that part of the world. Moreover, the article on "Ali Pasha" includes the word despot in describing Ali Pasha but without a reference. My reference was deleted repeatedly. Why? Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 13:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to . I have not refused meaningful discussion. Where does it say that? The definition of the word "despot" in any dictionary is clear. Ali Pasha was a "despot". His Misplaced Pages article about him uses the word "despot" without a reference. I provided a reference. What exactly would you like to discuss? Would you like to discuss the right to call him a "despot" with or without a reference? Surely, having a scholarly reference is better than not having one. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to , , . She has tarred me with the brush of plagiarism when I have spent hours introducing facts with scholarly references and bending over backwards trying to change the wording to avoid plagiarism and copy violations. With the added pressure of having had those references deleted time and time again and having to reintroduce them time and time again. Is this how editors are supposed to co-operate? If this is how we are supposed to do it then I can behave in the same fashion if you would like me to. If you don't like a reference then give me a good reason why and we can debate it. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 12:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to . No, not extensive re-warring. Just rv'ing on Ali Pasha. Fut Perf pushed me in to the 3R trap. My first violation. I didn't know what 3R was at the time. She led me on and made sure that I fell in to it. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 12:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Response to , . Why do I have to make myself ill explaining the same thing over and over again. I'll explain it one more time so that you all understand. A man with Bavarian parents is born in Greece and is considered to be a Greek and not a Bavarian (note, not an ethnic Greek, but a Greek national, a Bavarian-Greek with a Greek passport). But a man with Ottoman parents and grandparents who is born in the Ottoman Empire who is an Ottoman national and an ethnic Ottoman is touted as being Greek because his great-grandparents were Greek. You can't have it both ways. If the Bavarian-Greek is a Greek then the Greek-Ottoman, who has an Ottoman passport and no Greek passport, must be an Ottoman. If you consider the Ottoman to be a Greek then the Bavarian-Greek is a Bavarian. But why waste my breath. My contributions are not appreciated. At the time Fut Perf accused me of being a racist. Although I don't understand what racism has got to do with it since I had gone out of my way to explain why a series of events was not ethnically exclusive. The exact opposite of what I was being accused of. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 16:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Moreover, Fut Perf has demonstrated WP:Battleground behavior whilst stalking me from article to article on subjects having shown no prior interest. Fut Perf has pursued me in sports-related subjects that Fut Perf has never shown interest in before taking an interest in me. See The Olympic Games sponsored by Zappas. This is where she has accused me of being a racist. Now tell me honestly. Is there any evidence whatsoever that I am a racist? I would like to know. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 16:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fut Perf has demonstrated similar behaviour at Greek War of Independence where I have been accused of plagiarism. Now that would be a neat trick since I was concurrently translating and summarising from the Greek language straight on to the Talk Page and third parties took my summary translation and reworked the wording before placing it in to the article text. Fut Perf has demonstrated a creative imagination. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 16:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I can live with that Sandstein. I had no intention of ever editing Ali Pasha ever again since all contributions are nuked by Fut Perf. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Nipsonanomhmata

With respect to the "despot" issue, although this is not the place to discuss content, I agree with the complainant that defining a ruler as a "despot" in the lead sentence without further qualification and without good editorial reason (such as in the course of a discussion of his governing style, as indeed happens at Ali Pasha#Ali Pasha as ruler) violates WP:NPOV#Impartial tone (see, in particular, WP:LABEL). This applies even if one source is provided who happens to call that ruler a despot (notably, it's a offline source and no quote is provided for context) and even if we happen to agree that the ruler was indeed a despot and generally a really unpleasant person in terms of our modern sensibilities (which would probably apply to many if not most autocrats of that time and region). However, this matter is rather close to being mainly a content dispute, rather than a (sanctionable) conduct issue, and so it is not determinative for the sanction I am proposing below. Sandstein 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a long-due report from FPaS and I thank him for going through the diffs. I don't like at all the aggressive response that Nipsonanomhmata is giving. I would add that he was incivil with me at the talk page of Evangelis Zappas by calling me desperate. I'll quote him: But are you so desperate you need to recruit a Greek patriot and hero in to your cause. here, which ended my contributions in Zappa. Good report. --_Sulmues 15:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Nipsonanomhmata

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The request has merit. Edit warring is disruptive even when the three revert rule is not violated, see WP:EW. Nipsonanomhmata's reply is unduly aggressive and reinforces my impression that their mode of contributing to Misplaced Pages is problematic. Absent admin objection, I intend to impose a revert restriction and a topic ban from Ali Pasha. Sandstein 16:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

There being no objections, under the authority of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary sanctions, Nipsonanomhmata is topic-banned from one year from anything to do with Ali Pasha. For three months, he is also restricted to a maximum of one revert per page per rolling seven-day-period with respect to all content related to the Balkans. Sandstein 16:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)