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Merge proposal

Not really! The section Fellow deal with the broad concept of Fellow (i.e. an equal, someone who belongs to college, an "emeritus lecturer", a professional fellow) Research Fellow is very specific and some parts of the section Fellow should be moved to Research Fellow. Merging the two sections would like merging Teacher and Lecturer. Mootros (talk) 22:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest merging the content of Fellow that deals with all meanings of "research fellow" with this article (Research Fellow) and moving the result to Research fellow (uncapitalized "fellow"), which is currently a redirect to Fellow. --Boson (talk) 23:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Boson your suggestion sounds good! http://www.eths.k12.il.us/manual_of_form_and_style/capitalization.html I've now done the section merger from Fellow#Research Fellow into Research Fellow. Could some please shift Research Fellow to Research fellow, remove the redirect and than delete the wrongly capitalised entry. Cheers Mootros (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• We certainly do not delete Research Fellow - it is used (albeit wrongly) in several places: Special:WhatLinksHere/Research Fellow. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

References

76.66.180.225: You can make changes, but not remove references and other links unless you explain.Wilson44691 (talk) 18:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Ventuas / Wilson: before applying rules on other, please apply rules on yourself first. Thanks a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushsinghmd (talk • contribs) 18:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Lead and other section

The lead states that RF differs greatly. So it does not makes sense having a section called "concepts". Contributors should add to each country's section specifc facts and refrain from a gerneric statements in a catch all section. Mootros (talk) 18:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Please sign your contributions by placing ~~~~ after your comments. Many thanks!

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In fact it makes a perfect sense to have a concept section explaining what is RF, and then pointing out variations among countries.

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What facts are your revering to? Mootros (talk) 08:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

the fact that for you it doesn't make sense, but for others it makes lot of sense Kushsinghmd (talk) 12:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

What fact (what source?) what are you talking about? 10:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

exactly that is that point, you still don't know what we are talking about, and it is good that you asked.

so you said it doesnt make sense, is there any source that your senses are true ?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kushsinghmd (talk • contribs) 19:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Use of abbreviation

What is the point of using an abbreviation (PhD), plus a summary of term (doctoral), plus the fully spelled term (doctor of)? Mootros (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

what is the point of putting an abbreviation without shorty explaining it ?! isn't this an encyclopedia ? Kushsinghmd (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Next why put MD there at all. While most RFs have a PhD, an MD is a professional degreesin many countries and not a research degree. Mootros (talk) 18:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

here is your problem, that you dont want to consider Doctor of Medicine as Both a graduate and Doctoral degree, consequently you are editing based on your desire and not based on facts. Dear, MD is both graduate and Doctoral.Kushsinghmd (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

(od) Why not leave it as (PhD or MD)? That way both of you are satisfied. If that doesn't work, I suggest you seek a third opinion. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks for sharing the discussion. The main reason is that abbreviation are always decievong and confusing. Like MD in some countries doesn't mean a doctor of medicine. Also in some countries , their universities don't offer PhD, they offer degrees equivalent to it. Hence explanation of abbreviation is essential, and I dont think it is a problem to mention what the abbreviation stands for. However, with Motrooos it seems, like a big big problem to explain abbreviations to give space for confusion! thanks again Kushsinghmd (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

If you're not ok with abbreviations, and mootros is not ok with the long form, I suggest seeking a third opinion. This should be fairly straightforward and I can help set it up for the two of you if you like. --RegentsPark (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Again thanks for your positive interventions. I don't think we need a third opinion as much as we need more understanding. Here is a simple question: is MD abbreviation when added next to PhD is clear enough for everyone to understnad that it means "Doctor of Medicine" ?! I don't think so. If you are living in india or middle east for instance, you will know that MD there means PhD !

So the golden rule always, when the context of abbreviation might cause confusion then write the whole term next to it, and further down the article, you can use the abbreviation that was already mentioned. That is the ethics in any peer reviewed Journal by the way. The explain abbreviation even for very common terms in the beginning of the article, to avoid potential confusion.Kushsinghmd (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

If you can convince mootros, then fine. But, if you can't, you'll need to go in for some form of dispute resolution. A WP:3O is the easiest. If you don't do that, the likelihood is that you will get into an edit war and then one or both of you will end up blocked. If you or mootros want to go in for a 3O, and would like help setting it up, let me know. --RegentsPark (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not agree on two interrelated points. (i) It is superfluous to use abbreviations and fully spelled out terms in addition to the neat summary term "doctoral". Doctoral has a wiki link, leading the those who do not know what it means to a detailed explanation. This get us around (ii) the issues of international variations, such as doctor of medicine. Doctor of medicine in many places is not be a research degree, but a professional qualification. Mootros (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Doctor of Medicine is both a research and professional degree everywhere. It just takes you two minutes to look in the MEDLINE database , to know how doctors everywhere over th planets are leading medical research. User failed to recgnize the major difference between clinical and basic science research.

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