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This should just be a summary in List of Internet phenomena. As the article stands, it's just a single line of actual information followed by a (largely self-serving) list of places that mention the phenomenon. This is only ever going to become a horrible mess; it's just not necessary or helpful. Misplaced Pages does not need to be a hub for pirate/ninja humour. Minkle Slowberries (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
- Keep. Popular meme. Well sourced article. Szzuk (talk) 21:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Those aren't sources, they're just links. A reference is something attached to information to show where that information comes from. The article is essentially a portal. Minkle Slowberries (talk) 07:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I read two of the points in the article, followed the reference links to the relevant page and the information was there. I'm not sure what you are talking about? Perhaps you think that the wp article has to have exactly the same words as that on the cited page? Unless they are direct quotes they don't, they have to demonstrate the point is factually correct, not taken out of context or otherwise skewed. I don't necessarily disagree that the article looks a bit like a portal, but this is an internet meme, so articles like this will always look like a portal, it lives on the internet and nowhere else much. To me the article looks fine and the cites look fine, so I don't really have much else to say on the matter now. Szzuk (talk) 11:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- There are more links to other articles and websites than there are words in the informative part of the article. They're not references, they're indiscriminate trivia. Minkle Slowberries (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I read two of the points in the article, followed the reference links to the relevant page and the information was there. I'm not sure what you are talking about? Perhaps you think that the wp article has to have exactly the same words as that on the cited page? Unless they are direct quotes they don't, they have to demonstrate the point is factually correct, not taken out of context or otherwise skewed. I don't necessarily disagree that the article looks a bit like a portal, but this is an internet meme, so articles like this will always look like a portal, it lives on the internet and nowhere else much. To me the article looks fine and the cites look fine, so I don't really have much else to say on the matter now. Szzuk (talk) 11:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. It certainly needs cleanup, but I think this meme is a notable one. NPR:; Emory's student paper:; Fredericksburg paper:; Rocky Mountain News:; Wired's GeekDad blog:; the offical Google blog:; Know Your Meme:; lots of sources cover the meme in the context of the Pirates vs Ninjas Dodgeball computer game and Facebook application and other games.; a comic book:; a musical: Fences&Windows 18:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- This the place for notable memes. Note that your suggestion to keep and improve is same as the result of the first AfD request. It didn't work then, and I don't see why now is any different. Minkle Slowberries (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)