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User:Bertport

Hi, Future Perfect at Sunrise. Since you blocked twice my access to English wiki, I have no choice but contact you anonymously. Firstly, I want to express my deepest regret and disaffection for the two blockages. How could people jump to a judgement only by listening to one side's words? Don't you know the villain always sues his victim before he himself is prosecuted. It's User:Bertport who made the very first revert at 00:19, 19 February 2010 while I, mainly with User:Clemensmarabu, had been contributing days to the article Tibet. I never see he does any constructive edit but only undoes others' contributions or stealthily stuffs his biased words.

I waited one week to finally edit the article, if you please have a look at what content is restored , you'll tell at once good from bad. Both sides' opinions are presented and historical events are scholarly argued, thus I wonder where come from the courage of Bertport to revert such an edit and his boldness to accuse others anticipately. Regards. -- LaGrandefr

Watch out

See this. Not another interest party flood. Just a heads up ;) Michi

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Kengajon

Since you were interested to check his past, it appears that User:Dan of sq:wiki isn't active some 13 months now ].Alexikoua (talk) 11:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it really couldn't be him anyway, for various reasons. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Seems you were completely right about him. He uses one of the cheapest arguments ] pretenting that he was sq:Dan (quite weird i. he lost his password, ii. never cared to create a new one in sq:wiki, iii. 13 months passed and no news about him, iv. after more than a year of absence he decided to become an active wp:spa from his first day).

To sum up, trolling comments ] and voting in Albanian related topics ] are the major interests of this latest wp:spa account ].Alexikoua (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey...

Just returning after 14 months (long story) I decided to check out some of the articles I used to be active on. So... I noticed that the Republic of Macedonia article has calmed down and stabilised appreciably. Nice job.  :) •Jim62sch• 18:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, welcome back. Yeah, we had a big bloody arbcom case about it shortly after you left, but then at last managed to get a decision process in place that sorted out the naming conventions. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad it all worked out, as it was kind of, well, a lot more stressful than it needed to be. •Jim62sch• 05:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Ethnic flag

Hi, I noticed your contribution of today and I have some remarks.

• We both know that the Vergina Sun is the main symbol for the Slavic-Macedonians and, despite the disputes regarding the use of this symbol, I believe it is correct to use it in the article. However, in order not to fuel any edit-wars, I prefer to use the designation "Slavic-Macedonians" instead of simply "Macedonians". Please, can you change it? Moreover, this ethnic group is also present in Pirin Macedonia and in Greek Macedonia: why have you removed these regions from the caption?
• I disagree with the removal of the Pomak tricolor. True, FOTW refers to unorthodox sources, but, in these cases, I think that should prevail common knowledge.

However, in the coming days I plan to do research on the flags with the cn-tag. Therefore, if possible, I will remove the tag by adding a reference, otherwise I will remove the entry. Would you mind help me to check the reliability of sources? Thank you. The White Lion (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. About the Mac. cases: we agree about the flag as such. The name of the group doesn't require disambiguation, in my opinion: within a list of "ethnic groups", "Macedonian" can have only one meaning; tagging it with any additional qualifier would be nothing but a concession to the POV-warriors. On the other hand, their presence in the neighbouring countries is in fact a more legitimately contentious issue. I don't see we need to achieve exhaustiveness with these country lists – there's always additional small numbers of marginal minorities here and there, and whether any self-identifying ethnic Macedonians in GR and/or BG constitute more than a marginal portion of the population is in fact open to debate. So, leaving that out is less of a POV concession than changing the name, in my view. As for the Pomaks, I strongly disagree "common knowledge" is anything we should go by, and indeed, I don't see how it is common knowledge – it was certainly not "commonly known" to me. The FOTW website cites WP among its own sources, so we may have a case of circular referencing supporting a meme that just spreads through the web. But of course, if we can get better sources for it, no problem. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, if I find better sources, I will submit them to your attention. Well, about the term Macedonian, I understand that any additional qualifier could serve as a precedent to justify cases like Greek-Macedonian one. But the matter is highly controversial, also judging by the constant rv I can see. I hope we will not be forced to ask for a new semi-protection of the page. TWL (talk) 14:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Help:English to Greek Translation

Hello! I need some help on English to Greek translation. For english words "Bishop of Rome", which words are more suitable "Επίσκοπο της Ρώμης" or "Επίσκοπος Ρώμης". If you think none of these is right, feel free to suggest your own words. Thank you. Amit6 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Certainly "επίσκοπος"; the form without final -s is wrong. About the article before Ρώμης, my impression is that the name of the actual title, in official ecclesiastical parlance, would be "Επίσκοπος Ρώμης" , but in normal informal text, where you use "bishop" as a generic noun, you would be just as likely to find "ο επίσκοπος της Ρώμης" . But I'm not a native speaker, so take it with a pinch of salt. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Amit6 (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Kaiserreich

Ja, danke für den Hinweis auf meiner de. Seite. The guy seems to have lots of fun chasing all kinds of wiki-admins around. He is bright, too - managed amazingly to stitch a three-line-Swahili entry together. Since he was kicked out from en and de he seems to look at smaller wikis. Found also a remark from an Irish user on his SMITHECAV alias at gv. Tonite -after I had blocked 3 IP of his- he sent me a link on fr which seem to be his blocked identities over there: fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/SIMTHEGREC. Can we send him back to you at en, please?? (sw:user:kipala) Kipala (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah, we don't want him back. He has a nasty habit of eating penguins. That's why I am officially afraid of him, as my user page demonstrates. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Filter 166

Hi. I'm confused by something I'm seeing at WP:AIV. A bot claims that 87.203.115.3 (talk · contribs) edited 2008 Greek riots at 10:01 EDT this morning but the article doesn't show any edits at that time, nor does the user's contributions show any edits. Does that mean something from the article was oversighted or am I missing something on how to read this? Thanks, --B (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The edit was correctly disallowed by the filter, that's why it doesn't show up in the history. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok ... thanks ... for some reason, I didn't see that it said "disallow". It must be a Monday. ;) --B (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The Gore Effect AfD

You previously commented on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marknutley/The Gore Effect. A new version of the article has been created in article space at The Gore Effect and has been nominated for deletion. If you have any views on this, please feel free to comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Gore Effect. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I_Pakapashem: Block evasion

If you still remember him, his block period recently expired and now he is creating a number of problems on Albanian related articles. I've noticed that he evaded his block ] during his 6 months block.Alexikoua (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks a lot for chiming in at ANI. No worries, I certainly wasn't planning on wasting my time responding to any of Pakapshem's nonsense. Not only that, but your posting actually saved me the effort of posting a request at AN that he be community banned. Δυό φορές ευχαρηστώ. Athenean (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I support the report, although I am not sure about the sanction. I Pakapshem might not be the best contributor on Misplaced Pages, but the report is bringing to the table Athenean's activity. I can't think of a more disruptive user to the Albanian topics than Athenean. The damage he has done is enormous. I let my thoughts known to EdJohnston User_talk:EdJohnston#I_Pakapshem:_Block_evasion and notified user:Athenean on it . --_Sulmues 00:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Right now the most of the disruption stems from you, Sulmues. There was a time when I thought you could be a more constructive contributor, but apparently now that the revert-warring firepower is temporarily slightly on your side, you seem to have nothing else to do but to push those same tired old POV obsessions about lame naming issues. Shame. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, here's the deal. We have dozens of settlements in Albania that have the Greek name. I don't seem to be able to get them out, because they all have a citation, although there are no Greeks there anymore since Socrates. So since these are Misplaced Pages rules, I have to be consistent and do the same in Southern Epirus. This is a reaction of what I have to read in the Albanian articles. It's coming from a need of consistency. Probably Misplaced Pages was a better place when this RS crap did not exist yet as User:Ortolan88 pointed out. My problem is that there is no Albanian willing to come to Misplaced Pages anymore. I am sure that Athenean will report him and get him blocked. I just want the guy to take some fresh air for awhile. --_Sulmues 00:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

When, oh when will it ever go into the thick skulls of obsessed people to stop thinking of geographic names as symbolic badges for staking out territory? As long as you think in these terms, you will act like an idiot, make all your nationality look like idiots and be a burden on this project. All of you. A pox on both your houses. Try to get this into your brain, at last: Geographic names are to be included if and only if they are of interest to the English reader. We don't include names for the sake of the locals. In this respect, Greek names sometimes have an advance because they just have more historical currency in English than the Albanian ones. Deal with it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Fine with me if the Greek names are in the history part. But not in the lead of the Republic of Albania settlements. We need to be consistent. If I have Vlorë and Gjirokastër in Greek in the lead, when they are the most Albanian cities of all, then we have to write Janina, Igumenica, Arta, and Preveza in Albanian accross the Greek name. Don't worry we have some history, which was not burned by Greek troops too. --_Sulmues 00:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Man, you really don't get the point, do you? It is utterly, totally irrelevant who lives in those places or how "Albanian" or "Greek" they are. The only thing that counts is: are English-speaking readers likely to have seen the Albanian or Greek forms somewhere else in English and are they likely to be going to look for them? If yes, then yes, those names belong in the lead. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)