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Adam1213

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Adam1213 (talk · contribs) – Adam1213 was nominated in the past but was not accepted for adminship. I believe this user should be administrator because he has a high edit count, is committed to counter vandalism. He is an experienced programmer that can use his skills to better the encyclopedia. Adam 02:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I accept --Adam1213 Talk + 07:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
This user has requested feedback on what he's doing wrong. If you have some advice for him, let him know -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 02:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support - I trust him. --CBD ☎ 01:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  2. weak support he's a good faithed user, a bit stubborn sometimes, but I think with some coaching he will be better. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 02:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  3. Moral support. Just lending some, because a massively failing RfA can get to ya. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 04:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  4. Support. then again not giving you admin powers is letting vandals win. --Cool Cat 18:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  5. Support per Philwelch --Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 18:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  6. Support. Ø tVaughn05 contribs 03:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Sorry, I do not conider this user to be familiarised with workings of Misplaced Pages policy yet. Please see my talk page comment. Secondly, blanking of comments on his own RFA Apparently edit conflict caused this, believe or not, up to reader. NSLE (T+C) 03:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Addendum; high edit count does not mean one should be an administrator. NSLE (T+C) 03:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I agrea with you NSLE that I high edit count does not mean that you should be an admin, A person's policy does. I have a policy of following wikipedia policy and also what the majority wants. If you think I don't know the policy because of 1st or/and 2nd RFA you should realise the number of days I had edited wikipedia before them and that I was new to wikipedia.
    I probably know the policies that you would feal I do not know as your reasoning for me not knowing it seams to be just the RFA's and probably edits ages ago. Thanks for your vote. I hope that I can convince you that I do know the policy and that I would make a good admin --Adam1213 Talk + 07:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    You have problems spelling as well, and you don't seem to know that you need a # before your : when indenting in RFAs to keep the numbering, which to me is a bit of inexperience showing. NSLE (T+C) 09:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I forgot that, thanks for reminding me. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Spelling is an excuse to oppose adminship now? How degraded are RFAs getting... --Cool Cat 15:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    My spelling in articles where it matters is better. Also why don't you quiz me on wikipedia policy, Also may I point out while my spelling where it does not really matter is not all that good “I do not conider this user” --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  2. Can't support someone who's self-nominated twice in a week. -lethe 09:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Should of mentioned I stopped the first RFA and it was my 15th day aprox of making edits I was new I should not of been running for adminship but you should try to look at how I have improved and read Please do not bite the newcomers
    Also it was not twice in a week) --Adam1213 Talk + 09:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I should also mention that Kungfuadam nominated Adam1213; this isn't a self-nom. --Deathphoenix 12:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    That he is right Adam1213 you shouldnt have had an RfA this early. You just give people excuses to oppose, they generaly dont have logical reasons anyways. --Cool Cat 15:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  3. Oppose For now. Having spoken to Adam in IRC on several occassions I know he is very keen to help wikipedia which is good even if I'm sometime not convinced his focus is "right". However from some of those discussions and the answers below I'm not convinced he has the overall grasp of what wikipedia is "really" about and the ability to deal with the situations and decisions he is likely to meet as an admin. I'm not sure on the relevance between being able to put together an IRC client and the need to be an admin or being capable as an admin. The overall edit count is reaonable (2200) but the break down doesn't seem too good about 1400 of those on User and User_talk pages, Only 295 on Article pages (which for someone who reverts a lot of vandalism seems very low over the 4 months he has been active) and a looking through the history seems to indicate difficulty getting things right first time, which suggest unfamiliarity (we all have problems there sometimes, but I seem to see lots of "clusters"). Given that I know Adam I was in two minds as to if I should oppose or just add my comments as Neutral, but I feel I have opposed better candidates so... --pgk 10:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Struck out the above, since this seems to be a bit confused as to where it fits in Adam's response and so the comment maybe a little unfair, so I'll assume it's just one of his contributions to the projects, though I'm not sure if it's complete or anyone else is using it. --pgk 10:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Please think of how being an admin would benefit wikipedia (blocking vandals that will not stop) and for now you should be in #wikipedia-en-vandalism2 as there is a lot of vandalism and only me in both rooms active. --Adam1213 Talk + 10:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Maybe you just worded that badly, but I'm trying to think how overall being an admin would benefit Misplaced Pages, not to benefit you. --pgk 10:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Given timezones, there's bound to be at least one admin active (either in the channel or elsewhere) at any certain time. The question is wheher you getting the powers would necessarily benefit Misplaced Pages, it may, or it may not, we don't know. Until then, WP:AIV is watched by most admins. NSLE (T+C) 10:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    IRC... all I met on IRC (in #wikipedia that is) idiots who would ban me instead of marmot, arrogant admins that constantly lecture me on the slightest error as if they are flawless, countless irritaing people who just spend their time irritating me (aka trolls). I got people complaining about the access restirctions to the channel my bot runs on and never bother to use the bot once they talk me to remove modify such restrictions. We have arbitrators/ex-arbitrators who ban good users instead of marmot on IRC. If you want to be taken serriously dont ever use IRC to judge people. --Cool Cat 15:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  4. I appreciate his earnestness, but I just don't think he's ready yet — and won't be for quite a while. I'm also concerned that he's placed his userpage in Category:Pages watched by the Counter Vandalism Unit; I don't think I could trust anyone who uses the "watched by CVU" template or category to have a strong enough grasp of common sense and its application on Misplaced Pages. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 10:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Probably should not of added that category but it was because if an IP edited the page unless it is me its vandalism 99% of the timeYou are right, I should not of added that category, I have removed that. --Adam1213 Talk + 10:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    That proves my point, Adam. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 11:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I meant to say benefit wikipedia. As being an admin does not benefit me directly. It benefit's wikipedia. Misplaced Pages being benefited, benefits me by having a good online encyclopaedia. --Adam1213 Talk + 11:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I don't think I could trust anyone who uses the "watched by CVU" template or category .. To say such a thing... what kind of a nerve do you have?!! The point of that template is that it is a vandal magnet so idiots vandalise our userpages and pages its linked to and not article namespace just like drinis vandal proof userpage. Anyone voting oppose because of any reason that has to do with CVU is an idiot. Yes that includes you fuddlemark. Dont you ever dare talk to me on IRC or ever post anything on my talk page. Geez these arrogant admins... --Cool Cat 15:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    not ready yet and not ready for a while... can you please rephrase that too something like if you make edits relating to... or .... you will be able to show that you are ready to be an admin. --Adam1213 Talk + 16:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  5. Oppose, very few edits to article namespace for someone who is committed to counter-vandalism. The answers to the questions (especially the optional ones) would indicate that he is not familiar enough with policy. And I don't think he expresses himself clearly enough, as I'm having a hard time discerning what he means in some of his answers here. - Bobet 14:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    what answerers are you unhappy about? --Adam1213 Talk + 15:01, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  6. Oppose, as personal experience and actions makes me believe that he is not admin material. Ral315 (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    What actions exactly are you talking about? --Adam1213 Talk + 15:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Define what the hell is "admin material". I am not pleased with the current admins we have and their arrogance. I doubt many of the admins are admin material. Your oppose reasion is not better than of the one Davenbelle had. --Cool Cat 15:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Okay, fine- if you want a better reason, I can give it. First of all, I like both of you and I think that both of you are good people whom I respect. Both of you have great knowledge of programming, and have made great strides in vandalism-fighting with your IRC bots. But that doesn't mean you'd make good administrators. Being an administrator requires a knowledge of Misplaced Pages policy, which I don't believe Adam1213 has. His mention of "Google rankings" on question #6 about WP:CSD shows a fundamental misunderstanding about speedy deletion. His answer to question #9 shows that he doesn't understand consensus, a pivotal part of being an administrator. His answer to question #10 is horribly wrong- WP:IAR has many different interpretations, none of which fit with his. And his response to my vote and other's votes tells me he's not ready. If Adam1213 truly wanted to know why I voted the way I did, the best way would have been to leave a message on my talk page. Ral315 (talk) 19:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  7. Oppose. You seem like you might make a good admin some day, but I don't think you are familiar enough with the way things work as yet. Please try again in a couple of months. -Colin Kimbrell 15:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    What things exactly are you concerned about? --Adam1213 Talk + 02:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  8. Oppose. This user has a controversial history, including his 2 failed RFA self-noms. he also has a history of self advertising and spamming pages for support. He has, ever since he joined, been constantly in search of that adminship bid. For example, on an October 2005 TfD, User:Robchurch said We don't give out administrator status to those users who make a big thing of it, as far as I know. In addition, the creator (User:Adam1213) likely created this after making a big song-and-dance about his two failed Requests for Adminship, and supplemented it all with spamming Jimbo's talk page demanding adminship.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 16:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I did not spam Jimbo's talk page. I asked what exactly I should improve on to become an admin, I got one part of the answer signature, I have changed it and keep changing it comply with what the majority wants. --Adam1213 Talk + 02:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  9. Oppose because this is yet another nomination seeking to use edit count, rather than suitability for the job, as justification for adminship Cynical 17:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    That is what I was nominated for but why not look at those edits? --Adam1213 Talk + 02:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  10. Oppose. His edit count isn't really that high. Also more edits to his own userpage than to articles . — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 18:19, Jan. 24, 2006
    One oppose for edit count reason high one.... next its not that high oppose (edit count freaks and anti ones!) --Adam1213 Talk + 02:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  11. Oppose - The answer to question 4 bothers me quite a lot as it seems to misunderstand the meaning of "blatant vandalism." (ESkog) 18:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  12. Strong oppose. Adam has yet to grasp Misplaced Pages policy, or demonstrate the level of maturity and coolheadedness required of an administrator. His interactions with other users leave much to be desired; Adam has a desire for power not for the betterment of the project, but rather, for the inflation of his own ego. Adminship is a position of community trust, a stewardship of the community's best interests, not a way to make yourself feel more important. Essjay 22:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    I want to help wikipedia. If this is about that issue I remember you saying to forget about it. Oh by the way your right I do have a desire for power, that’s why I am part of The Electronics project. Essjay you want power for your computer right don’t we all? But referring to the actual point I don’t have a want for power. But I know why you think that Essjay and I think you still don’t want it discussed. Also what policies exactly do you feel that I do not know; why not quiz me on them? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  13. Oppose - without prejudice in the future. Adam acts in good faith, but hasn't quite got it yet. It will come in time, I am confident of it. Rob Church (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    Got what... please tell me I would like to know what exactly I need to get--Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  14. Oppose per Essjay. --NaconKantari e|t||c|m 22:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    As I found Essjay a little vague this oppose vote because a little more vague. Can you please specify your exact reasoning --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  15. Oppose - while I appreciate this user's enthusiasm, I don't think now is the time. (I will be happy to elaborate if the candidate wishes, but will leave it at that for now.) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    What do you think I need to improve on? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  16. Oppose I would definitely consider supporting Adam in the future for adminship however I still don't think he's shown the maturity and grasp of policy that is expected of an administrator. Jtkiefer ---- 00:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    What exactly makes you think I don't know the policy? Why not quizz me on it?--Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  17. Oppose per previous RfAs; also (and you can clarify this) it seems that you just want a rollback button by your answers. If you change this, I'd gladly reconsider my vote. Also, your answer to question 4 is quite confusing to me. Can you explain, please? (Pardon me for saying this, but it seems you don't understand what {{bv}} is for as it is currently worded.) So to sum it up, maybe later, but not now. -- Jjjsixsix /(contribs) @ 01:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC) moving to Neutral.
    I would really like to ban vandals that just wont stop --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    As much as I would like to do the same, I just report them to AIV and let that take care of itself (which you've never used, but then again, you're on IRC, so you don't need to use it...). Basically, I'm going to give the same reason I gave for Samuelsen: I frankly don't see why you need administrator status. -- Jjjsixsix /(contribs) @
    I should probably be asking a better question but why not? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    See, your answer to #11 gives me reason to believe you can be admin; the simple reason to your former question would have been because RC Patrol!=administrator. It is convinient, yes, but absolutely needed, no. That is also true for most of the admins out there, though I suppose we do need quite a few to keep the place running. Try again in a month or two; you will more than likely have my support by then. -- Jjjsixsix /(contribs) @ 00:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  18. Oppose Almost there, but not quite ready. A tad better grasp of the Misplaced Pages namespace (policies and processes) is all that is needed. --Wikiacc (talk) 01:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Can you specify which policies exactly --Adam1213 Talk + 02:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  19. Weak Oppose Having worked closely with Adam on many things, Misplaced Pages-related and non-Misplaced Pages-related, I know he has good intentions and is unlikely to abuse admin tools. However, there are a number of things that concern me. He did not sign his reply to an oppose vote here and has also not signed in many other places such as some of his replies in this diff. I think anyone who is an admin should at least follow basic WP:SIG. Most non-admins manage that. Also, regarding this edit conflict, even if he didn't mean to blank the oppose votes, an admin should know how to deal with edit conflicts and be able to merge their changes with other people's changes appropriately, like most users can do. Also tends to not use common sense in some areas such as here, where he added his own "questions for the candidate" to the bottom of the RfA. Wouldn't a sensible user realise that they are being asked the questions rather than asking themself more questions? Finally, I am not happy with his edit count breakdown, which consists of only 305 edits in the article namespace out of 2327 total edits. If this user really wants the admin tools to revert vandalism, he should put more effort in reverting vandalism on articles. Overall, I think he needs to improve his editing style and get more practice, based on the evidence I have provided. -- Daverocks (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    While it is not an excuse I did not realise there was an edit conflict as it did not say anything however after each edit past that on here I have looked at history to avoid it happening again. While it is not an excuse I was replying to so many things that I just forgot to sign some of them. I removed the questions and fixed that up. --Adam1213 Talk + 03:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  20. Oppose. Anyone who pisses off Essjay enough to leave doesn't deserve the mop and bucket. -Mysekurity 05:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    I did not piss of Essjay enough to leave and I did not want Essjay to leave and I am happy that Essjay came back and I asked Essjay not to leave. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  21. Oppose - Need a little more EQ, I recommand visiting the chatrooms more often. --Masssiveego 07:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Thanks for suggestiong what I should do but I am in the chat rooms often, you can find me in #wikipedia-en-vandalism, #wikipedia-en-vandalism2, #wikipedia and #adam1213 --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  22. Oppose. Ambi 10:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    While there are many reasons listed to oppose why exactly did you oppose? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  23. Oppose To be honest, I find Adam's editing manner a little erratic. I'm not confident that he's yet ready for adminship.--cj | talk 10:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Why are you not confident that I am ready for adminship yet and what would make you confident that I was? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  24. Oppose. You seem like a good person, but your behavior is too immature and you're too inexperienced right now. Settle down and be patient. AngryParsley 21:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Why do you say that I am too immature and inexperienced, what do you think I am inexperienced with? How do you think I can improve?--Adam1213 Talk + 06:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  25. Oppose seems still to inexperienced with what goes on here... └/talk 22:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    Why do you say that I am inexperienced, what do you think I am inexperienced with? How do you think I can improve?--Adam1213 Talk + 06:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  26. Oppose. SlimVirgin 00:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    Please provide a reason for opposing as this will let me improve --Adam1213 Talk + 06:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    Oppose Pile on --152.163.100.197 00:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
    Sorry, anons don't get a vote. howcheng {chat} 01:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  27. Oppose. The jokes on his user page aren't funny. CDThieme 01:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

  • I hereby vote neutral. Adam1213 it has nothing to do with you. I have no reason not to trust you to hand "admin power" to you. However...
    • Adminship critaria is not determined based on how much ones worth for adminship. It would be an isult for me to vote support untill RFA is fixed.
    • Currently RFA is just peolpe finding excuses to oppose handing people adminship power (aka power to block vandals etc....)
    • An admin supposed to be a person the community trusts. I trust fewer and fewer admins everyday.
    • I figured adminship was broken. I cannot put you in the same category as some of our current admins.
--Cool Cat 15:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Changed to support --Cool Cat 18:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  1. Neutral A very enthusiatic guy from what I have seen, but comes off as a little immature. Tintin Talk 16:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  2. Neutral per the oppose reasons, to avoid a pile on --Jaranda 01:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  3. Neutral. I don't think Adam1213 is quite ready for adminship yet but I don't want to pile on the "oppose" votes. JIP | Talk 09:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  4. Neutral. Moved from oppose. -- Jjjsixsix /(contribs) @ 00:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  5. Not sure yet. --King of All the Franks 02:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  6. Seems like a good editor, but lacks patience, experience, and a tad inclined to argue everyone's opinion. Please review more guidelines and depict more leeway for critisim in the future, and I'll gladly support. -Zero 18:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Comments

As I mentioned after you beat me to mentioning these RFAs I had not edited wikipedia on more than 16 days. Thanks for mentioning them you saved me the time of having to make a link (0.5 secs) --Adam1213 Talk + 07:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I do RC patrol but recently have been working on my IRC client. While I do admit to stuffing up some of my early edits, the edits after hem have been have been good edits 99% Most of the time that I stuff up, I soon realise and go back to fix it. I recommend looking through my contributions starting at my first edit and going through and looking at the improvement. I am familiarised with a lot of the workings of Misplaced Pages policy I admit that in the past I did not know much of it.

Some of my stuff ups:

  1. RFA 1 - 10 September 2005 - 6th day that I had edited wikipedia - I stoped this RFA
  2. RFA 2 - 3 October 2005 - 15 aprox day that I had edited wikipedia.
the fact that I kept editing the page which caused some oppose votes to be removed accidentally
later wanting to keep it open for remaining time
  1. Arbcom edit somewhere (should not of made it)
  2. A joke made on IRC that to most people would seam small and I said I was kidding but ended up causing problems (note that this issue can't be discussed )

I feel that I respect other contributors. (excluding simple vandalism)

I have forced edit summaries in my monobook so I will be making a lot more edits with edit summaries. --Adam1213 Talk + 07:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

My IRC client. Its code is approximately 123 kb 74 pages 3697 lines. It is almost done. It has plug-ins for computer2 (CVU bot) (it displays the words diff and revert which are hyperlinked instead of the long URLs) I have almost finished plug-ins for pgkbot. It has wikipedia links (directly helped by User:Daverocks's code for hyperlinks (he also did connect 4))

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT MY CONTRIBUTIONS? And also have read this ? --Adam1213 Talk + 17:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Regarding the harassment of oppose voters, Adam, look at the RfA archives. In how many of them do you see the candidate harassing everyone who votes oppose demanding that they explain themselves? I for one gave a fairly detailed response; I don't feel the need to lay out diffs explaining my vote, and there is no precedent on RfA for doing so. This a demonstration of what I am talking about: You just don't get it. Harassing the oppose voters doesn't get you more support, it gets you more opposition. My vote has nothing to do with the problems we have had in the past, with the exception that our issues are a demonstration of the same issues other contributors have: You don't know when to let things go and just accept that it didn't go your way. Learn to drop it when it's over, and stop beating a dead horse into the ground. Once you've matured and learned to interact well with the community, then come back for adminship. Essjay 21:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Fully second Essjay. Like I told you in IRC, you should stop pushing it, it'll only make people want to oppose even more strongly – I myself have half a mind to. NSLE (T+C) 01:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not trying ho harass anyone, I just would like to know why someone thinks something, what things exactly they are referring to and how I can improve. If I have that info I am happy that the person opposed as I get information on how to improve --Adam1213 Talk + 06:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Misplaced Pages backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
A. I would ban persistent vandals and impostors.with it.
I would use rollback but be careful
2. Of your articles or contributions to Misplaced Pages, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A. WP:CVU/Elections I liked automating tasks and automating the nomination (RFA nomination and wiki help made it easy) and also putting the results in a table. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A. I try to avoid conflicts example User talk:Mpatel Talking to the person can avoid / solve a conflict.

The following are some optional questions. There are no correct answers to these questions and I simply want to know your opinions rather than see a correct answer. Thanks! --Deathphoenix 12:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for asking the questions --Adam1213 Talk + 12:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
4. When would you use {{test4}}, and when would you use {{bv}}?
A. Mostly after someone has vandalised I do test, test2, test3, test4 after that more test4s and report it in #wikipedia-en-vandalism, if no response #wikipedia-en-vandalism2 if no response #wikipedia if no response I will report it on Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism
I dont really use bv but I would use it in the case of a user that seams to of vandalised in the past. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
5. What would you do if a user reverts an article four times in slightly more than 24 hours? (Thus obeying the letter of WP:3RR.)
A. I have thought about what I would do in the past... I would write a message on the talk page right away asking for it to be put back before my edit and that I was sorry for breaking 3rr or contact someone asking them to put it back and say that in the summary
The question was, what would you, if you were an admin, do if someone else reverted an article four times in a little over 24 hours? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I miss read it because I did not think that would be asked... I would look at the edits, speak to the person, suggest the talk page and contacting others involved and depending on their reply decide, if they were strong on the idea that they are right and it should be like that block, if they instead apologies and went of trying to discuss it on the talk page and with the other people involved instead I would let it go. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
6. In your opinion, when should you speedy delete an article under CSD A7 (unremarkable people or groups) and when should you nominate it for an AFD instead?
A. One thing is the number of people that edited it also how many times it comes up on google (not the things site and about what the article is on) if more than 100 (depending on what it is) it should not be nominated for speedy deletion and google page rank. Also what the article is about. (something that is expanding rapidly / small and getting smaller)
Read A7 (and the other criteria) closely. CSD refers to the content of the article alone, not the notability of its subject. If an article contains an assertion of notability, then it can't be speedied, it has to go to AfD. With experience, it's possible to get a feel for what counts as an assertion and what doesn't. Popularity on Google and so on is important for AfD, but that's the next step. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
7. How would you apply NPOV to a controversial article that you are editing?
A. If a point may be controversial say it as some believe... while others believe that ... Discuss on the talk page about it as there will probably 2 groups (or more) about a way of stating both opinions. Also citing edit can help to provide evidence for the different ideas --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
8. What are your greatest frustrations with Misplaced Pages?
A. Vandals that do not stop when no one is there to block them and they keep going. In addition, the length of RFA and how it works also the end result
Certain points need longer to be discussed and should be discussed, what the person needs to do to get rid of the reason for an oppose vote and the oppose vote. After it, what the person needs to do to become an admin.
Do you mean to say that you think it should be easier to become an admin, and that the RfA process should be shorter? What about those admins who passed their RfAs because of a late charge of support votes, for instance? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
No I did not say that but I can see why you might of thought that, out of this RFA for example which will fail I would like to know what I need to improve on and/or prove to people. This benefits wikipedia as the person finds out exactly what to do after it. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
9 Why do you want to be an admin?
I would like to be an admin to ban vandals that will not stop, use admin rollback (carefully), help users that want help with their monobooks (could not help that much but a bit) probably delete some pages (after it has been decided that they should be deleted) and the main thing I probably will not do is delete images --Adam1213 Talk + 13:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
But what I meant is, what's in it for you? What motivates you to become an admin? Regards, Ben Aveling 13:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC) (from User_talk:Adam1213)
A. Well I guess having a good online encyclopaedia, and I am motivated to make programs that have integration of wikipedia by the fact that people will use what I program. Also I don't like letting vandals win --Adam1213 Talk + 13:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
8. What is Misplaced Pages?
A. Misplaced Pages is a free online encyclopaedia that any one can edit. Because anyone can edit wikipedia it makes it such a good encyclopaedia, Misplaced Pages is very accurate.
But "because anyone can edit Misplaced Pages" also leads to a lot of vandalism and incorrect information. The important thing, I think, when thinking about what Misplaced Pages is (and is not) is that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia, full stop. We aim to write an encyclopaedia that's as good as any other in the world, if not better, and we have to try to be professional and not allow ourselves to be confused away from that single goal. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I am very aware of the fact that this means people can vandalise wikipedia, however I am also aware that the CVU and RC patrolers are doing a great job most of the time, I had someone say that they never realised the ammount of vandalism that happens on wikipedia, which indicates that they system works. However a cookie with a number in it that someone could be blocked by would be useful in the case of ISPs like AOL. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
9. What is consensus?
A. Consensus is what the majority want and this is what should be followed (after the legal parts)
No. Consensus is, basically, the agreement of the community as a whole. Since that can be extraordinarily difficult to achieve, Misplaced Pages operates on rough consensus, which is essentially "I Can't Believe It's Not Consensus!", a low-fat substitute. When we hold discussions that involve voting, a majority can help us to gauge what the community wants, but it is not the be-all and end-all of gauging community feeling. See Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, Misplaced Pages works by building consensus. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I meant also that its what will happen in a way there is a certain amount of support needed for something to happen. (but also there is a rule of thumb) --Adam1213 Talk + 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
10. What is the purpose of WP:IAR?
A. the purpose of it is to tell people that the rules are obvious. For example if someone wants to vandalise wikipedia they should realise that it would be breaking the rules.
No. IAR goes back to "Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia", above. If what is best for the encyclopaedia is technically different from what the rules say, then do what's right. It's best summed up as use your common sense. Judging when it is safe to Ignore All Rules can be difficult, and many people say it shouldn't be used to justify admin actions (like controversial blocks). fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I said obvious refering to common sense. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
11. As I have noted above, you seem to want this adminship to have a rollback button and the ability to block. While the latter needs to be reported to WP:AIV or on IRC to the administrators, and the former can be easily emulated (but slower) and is mainly a convenience, the rest of fighting vandalism can be done easily by non-admins and admins alike. Thus, I ask, are there any other admin chores which you would be willing to help out with if you are given administrator status?
A. I would enforce arbcom rulings, and where it is obvious that there is a consensus to delete an article delete it. I would try to stay away from deleting pictures. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
12. I feel that I respect other contributors (excluding simple vandalism)
Do you not consider WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA et al. to apply even to the vandals?

WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA apply to vandals that do not stop get blocked not exempt from rules, If someone is attacking a vandal it will probably provoke them and depending on what exactly is going on the person should be spoken to about it and a if it happens again it should be dealt with --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

13. You use the term simple vandalism a lot. Can you tell the difference between a newbie edit and a malicious little twerp, and can you respond accurately to each?
Yes I can, the edit gives it a way often but also the contributions of someone and their talk page. I found the test warning a good warning to start with as it is not exactly a warning --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
While doing RC patrolling I often come across new users that make good edits that I welcome to wikipedia. --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
14. If this adminship fails, would you consider Misplaced Pages:Requests for rollback as a means of providing an acceptable anti-vandalism tool?
I would 01:18, 25 October 2005 is when I said on the page I would support it, as part of it but blocking is another thing. One thing I would like is to be able to block but have the block go onto a list for a certain admin (or more) to be able to confirm and put through, maybe place a 5 min block in which time an admin will look at it and either get rid of it or extend it this would be a great way of judging someone’s abilities to be an admin as they would be able to do almost the exact same things but limited and this would need to be approved of per user. What are other peoples ideas on this? --Adam1213 Talk + 14:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)