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Haifa 1948

Hi Jeff, my editing of the battle of Haifa 1948 was done to correct a few things that I had inserted before and was unaware that I could fix them by clicking edit.

All the materials that I have submitted are sitting at the USHMM in Washington D.C. which I donated copies of Mr. Jaques Bar's materials back on Nov 2000 along with the copies of the original plans that I still retain.

I was surprised that the material that was there is incomplete and misses the person who planned that action mainly due to the Labour Party in Israel that made up their own history which I thought would have been corrected long ago.

I do retain all copyrights for this material and put it in on May 31, 2010 after my first reading of your site which missed the whole situation and errs in too many ways to be allowed to remain as the factual history as well omits my father's work which from a military point of view needed a correction so that future generations understand the reality of what and why the action took place without which Israel would have never been created since the British Plans would have removed all to Cyprus.

Respectfully.

Yoram Bar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete my insert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 02:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

This edit appeared to be unsourced, poorly written, and possibly biased. If it has been previously published from personal experiences or writings or stories from your father, Wikisources might be a more appropriate place, as we have a policy here that prohibits original research.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jeff,

The material for the battle of Haifa are sitting at the USHMM along with the plans and could be accessed there.

The article from the Jewish Tribune of Jan. 11, 2001 is also available on line.

The IDF archive can validate the material as well - if you have a fax could send you their letter from June 22, 1986.

The unfortunate situation with this is that for years it was best to omit who etc. since Mr. Bar being in Soviet, Polish and Israeli military along with the Cold War made it best to keep quite since no benefits only problems were in store with such material.

Since Mr Jaques Bar was doing many of the underground activities against the British along with Israel's need to keep everyone not knowing who etc. the material was only placed with the USHMM 10 years after his death.

You must understand that the people who created Israel militarily were apolitical and most left since they were simply ponds in the politics of the day.

the material at the USHMM includes the IDF archives and Polish Archives with the Russians never having such since they made stuff according to their political needs.

Thanks for your message, and I do understand you policies which require backup to which my material have tons of but there is/was much resistence including from 60 Minutes form Don Hewitt in 1990 who said to me " we never put out the original story about Israel, so we are not bound to correct it" making me see that truth is not a commodity here, only protecting ones friends.

Joran (Yoram) Bar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 16:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff,

The USHMM has materials which I tried to access today without success.

People like Pat Buchanan, Mickael Kingsly and many others in the news business are aware of the material that was placed by me.

Would like to get in touch with you via fax - so I could send you material you are seeking for veriability for the Battle of Haifa 1948 & Dnieper River Crossing 1941.

Yoram Bar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 16:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

You have some options for the information you wish to share. Typically, these include the following, in order from most free to least free:

1. Public domain (PD): anyone can use it for any reason; you relinquish all rights.
2. Creative Commons licenses (CC): it can be used, but only with attribution (BY) and a link to the license. Some licenses (marked NC) prohibit commercial use (these can't be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages). Some licenses (marked ND) prohibit derivative use (these can't be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages). Some licenses (marked SA) provide require ShareAlike (SA), which is basically sharing under the same terms you received (these can be used by Wikimedia projects like Misplaced Pages).
3. GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL): it can be used, but only with attribution and a full copy of the license. Slightly less free than CC-BY and CC-BY-SA because it requires a full copy of the license.
4. Aggregators like USHMM. Anything you allow them to share becomes copyrighted by them as well per this page. You essentially transfer half of your rights to them. They say they can take it if you place information into the Public domain.
5. Private licensing can be used for materials the licensee is willing to pay for. They may be higher resolution, higher quality, in a collection, whatever value the licensor wants to add and the licensee wants to pay for. The attribution for the CC and GFDL licenses can point to the availability of privately licensed material, as can watermarking and inclusion of requests for attribution in lower quality / lower resolution media you put into the Public domain.

You may try to email me on any public Wikimedia wiki, but (at least on this site) you have to login first per Misplaced Pages:Why create an account?. You may also reach me on WP:IRC as "Jeff-G" (the closest I could get in a username, as I could not use space and dot).   — Jeff G. ツ 21:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, would like to speak to you regarding including material re: Haifa & Dnieper River Crossing 1941

joran.bar@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 15:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff: I don't use the web to chat and mistakenly removed your request to chat since I didn't know who it was until later. Would prefer to talk on the phone which I could email that to you by sending me an email @ joran.bar@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I re-sent the request.   — Jeff G. ツ 23:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you help me make my post sound neutral to you

I would just like the public to be made aware of important votes in congress I didn't express my own view I just pointed out what these congress persons did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarpeVeritas1 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

What is your view? Why was that vote so important? Why was that bill so important? What is your relationship (if any) to the subject of the bill, or to any congresspersons interested in the bill? Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 06:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, I have spoken to a number of people and they were surprised at your call to delete the material since they are the facts from Mr. Jaques Bar who planned that battle as well as many others.

For you to delete this without checking with the USHMM of the Israeli Govt makes me see that information that is here lacks anything except information that news agencies print with many being wrong since as per my quote from Don Hewitt who refused to do anything mainly due to his close friendships with people like Dayan.

I will leave things for now and will re-edit the same information which is true - as well have written to CNN who know the reality with people like Larry King, Pat Buchanan, Mickael Kingsly, Anderson Cooper, Sandy Crawley and many more which for you should be simole to affirm since this material as stated before was not common knowledge primarily since MR. Bar didn't agree til 1988 to do something with it being close to death and the falling nof the Soviet Union.

Would appreciate your rational since I do undrstand your need for comfirmation but this story is not some made-up stuff and comes from Top Secret material from that time.

Joran.bar@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 17:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, just read your points on coy rights ... my rights with the USHMM are for any economic activity ... I am willing to share the material with respect to the Battle of Haifa since it brings forth a very different light on Israel's creation in 1948.

How and what do you require to put that material on which would still retain the copy right shared with Misplaced Pages only.

Yoram Bar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Jeff, If I place some information which could be considered as Public Domain - my understanding is that only that information would be - if so I could limit what with only main things which whatever is not placed still being mine/USHMM.

Is that correct? Secondly, I am not a writer and am not seeking to win a prize, only the facts and that's all.

Yoram Bar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.72.170 (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "Misplaced Pages only" would not work (the folks at WP:OTRS would tell you the same thing), but you could place a summary of your copyrighted work on Misplaced Pages with one of the acceptable licenses above, and a pointer to the full text at USHMM or elsewhere and how to purchase that. I would imagine that some Israeli, Jewish-American, and Jewish-Canadian publishers might be interested in the full text and corroboration with the original materials.   — Jeff G. ツ 19:52, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Youngest doctor article

I see it's been recreated, with the argument that if something else exists this should. The article is probably no big deal, but we have the situation where Heenal Raichura passed AfD being seen as notable because of her coverage for being the youngest doctor. Except that she isn't now. There may be younger doctors in the future. Do we really want a series of youngest doctors, lawyers, etc? I'm almost tempted to take them both to AfD, but it might be a waste of time or just plain wrong. Advice? Thanks for chipping in on my talk page by the way even if the editor decided your comments were evidence that his article shouldn't have been deleted. Dougweller (talk) 07:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but now having read the AfD, I have decided the article should be kept.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect revert in List of oil spills

I disagree with this edit you made, which you accompanied by this remark in the user's talk page, telling him he added content without citing a source.

The edit was not adding any content; it was simply updating some totals based on an equation included in the comments of the page. Math does not require a source. Several of us who are maintaining the page are taking turns updating the totals every few days, and we would appreciate it if you didn't revert these updates.

Thank you! Johnson487682 (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. An appropriate Edit Summary would have been "recalculated based on http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/16/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html".   — Jeff G. ツ 04:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:3RR on GNSS

I don't break 3RR but this user is actually a sock for User:Yattum as detailed in this SPI case against the user. Thus contesting a sockpuppet's edits aren't in violation of 3RR as this user has already been indeffed. Vedant (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I try to be evenhanded when giving out 3RR warnings. Thanks for your excellent work on that SPI case.   — Jeff G. ツ 01:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

No problems and thank you. I don't fault you however for the warning as it's not always easy to tell based on a page history who is at fault and who isn't which is why I try to avoid edit-warring but I'm hoping that reverting and semi-protecting pages will give the user the message that he is no longer welcome here. Vedant (talk) 13:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

My warning

I replied on my talk page. 72.203.170.82 (talk) 03:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

As did I.   — Jeff G. ツ 01:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I replied again on my talk page. And thank you for the reply. 72.203.170.82 (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ 23:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Metro Station (band)

hi, i just got a message about altering the "metro station" page. i actually havent altered it or even looked at it before, just letting you know. Might be a glitch in the system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.71.100 (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Someone at your IP Address did, in this edit. Why don't you sign your posts and create an account? Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 01:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Nightwish discography

Hi, can you vote here please? Thank you. DreamNight (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done   — Jeff G. ツ 23:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit protection

I requested semi-protection for the Brady Campaign article. That should cut some of the silliness down. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 04:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Care to comment here? RG (talk) 04:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

No longer necessary, already blocked, thanks for your report.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Take care. RG (talk) 04:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

uw-hasty

 Done added to Twinkle's arsenal. Marcus Qwertyus 06:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 20:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Could you please clarify why an edit conflict would have resulted to a 'final warning'? 112.118.149.119 (talk) 03:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

You removed the language "is a requirement of the Basic Law of Hong Kong, Article 23. Article 23 requires the special administrative region to enact laws prohibiting any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government of the People's Republic of China." without explanation, about 13 hours after receiving this level 3 warning, and without specifying that your edit was the result of an edit conflict.   — Jeff G. ツ 03:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Reverting my edits

Please review your definion of what vandalism is per WP:VAND. My edits to National University of Modern Languages are not vandalism. I am was reverting a bot incorrectly reverted my edits. What I am doing there is removing deleted/missing images and getting rid of the cruft that is non-encyclopedic and was placed there as an attempt to promote the school. Δ (talk) 04:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Please indicate why you are removing content in your Edit Summaries. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

If you actually take a look at my edit, you will see that I did exactly that. But because I recently changed accounts (I am User:Betacommand, see WP:BN#Rename for details) Cluebots AI made a mistake and reverted my edit, I reverted the false positive and you then re-reverted it without bothering to take a look at the whole picture. When using huggle be careful. Δ (talk) 04:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)