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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki

What do you think of the new project I'm setting up? Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be tied to meta:Translation of the week which is related. Angela. 09:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. Also see this new proposal by Kotniski here. Dr. Blofeld 09:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

he.wiki

There is a ideological censorship about porn in the Hebrew Misplaced Pages, this is the current policy: here translated to English. You cannot create an article about a porn star unless she or he became famous for something else (like Traci Lords because she is a singer/actor or Ilona Staller because she is a politician). "Character's life there is another aspect to meet the criteria of encyclopedic value. Action porn is not enough to win about Hebrew Misplaced Pages." "Not displayed pictures of her body except the portrait of the character, even if the figure wearing a Catholic nun.", "There will be no external links to sex sites." and etc.

You can talk to User:Yonatan or User:Amire80 to confirm this.

I think it's a strong violation of the global Misplaced Pages (The 💕)/Wikimedia rules and of WP:NOTCENSORED policy.

I think you should force them to change this policy.

Sorry for my bad English.

Thanks.

Copyright violation ?

Hi, I'm wondering why you've removed a paragraph from the page Penny (Australian) for the reason "removing likely copyright violation" ? How can you know that this text violates some copyright ? DeepPurple46 (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It had been pasted in directly from part of another page in this edit. I don't believe they copied it from Misplaced Pages but that the Misplaced Pages user copied it from them because it was only part of their page, and because it's not the usual encyclopedic style of Misplaced Pages but instead a style that matches the rest of the site it was copied from. Angela. 02:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for this explanation. It is sure that the style isn't the encyclopedic one, and that the added value of this paragraph was very low. DeepPurple46 (talk) 04:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Rename me, please!

Hi there, I don't know if it's possible, Angela; but I want you to rename me, if you don't mind. Thus: Zack wadghiri. I'll be thankful.--Zack (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I've not seen the note above.--Zack (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

IP's editing your sandbox

The reason IP's are editing you're sandbox is probably because it is linked to from Misplaced Pages:About the Sandbox.--Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Odd. I'd forgotten about that. I've removed it. I don't think my sandbox is a great example really. :) Angela. 05:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Meetup Time in Sydney :-)

Hi all,

It's meetup time again in Sydney - hopefully you'll be able to come along for friendly chat and drinks about all things wiki - topics will no doubt include the Chapter - perhaps with planning for the upcoming AGM, the general state of wiki-play, and the traditional candle lighting to encourage the mythical flagged-revisions extension to make its way on to the wiki. At this point, I usually mention that sitting wiki arbitrators are compelled to buy everyone a drink, but one of our number has taken a rather extreme route in avoiding this duty - if you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're probably busy writing and maintaining articles - but come along anyways on the 21st October, from 18.30 til late, to find out :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Translators

Any chance you could contact some language schools and colleges to help practice their language skills by translating from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki? For this to be a success we need numbers. Publicizing that we need translators in any language I think is an important step to make. Have you browsed French, Spanish and Italian and German wikis for instance. There are several million articles which we could benefit from having them translated into english... Himalayan 09:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't have any contact with any language schools. Perhaps the people at translatewiki.net could help to promote this instead? Angela. 13:05, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks for letting me know. Do you not think though that wikia has a responsibility to try to meet its goals, one of them "producing an encyclopedia of the highest standard". Given that well over half of our existing encyclopedia and million of missing articles need instant improvement by translating from a different language whether it is Italian municipalities which have remained one liners for years or German castles or whatever don't you think we need to be doing something to publicize this need for translators? I think we should be doing more to publicize the need for this sort of work on wikipedia and we are missing thousands of potential contributors who are unaware of this demand for translators. I think that if the people who run this site are serious about improving quality we should be doing a lot more to contact schools and universities and any other potential contributors to raise awareness. I mean I know that wikipedia is one of the most popular sites on the web and used by millions of people, the problem is that it is not edited widely by a similar number.. For instance see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Intertranswiki/German. At present we have just 4 German-English translators. How many people in the world speak German and English and how many quality articles are there on German wikipedia which are in urgent need of translation..? How do we attract the mass of people needed to translate if we don't do anything to make potential translators in schools or whatever aware of it?. Himalayan 13:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikia is a separate company to the Wikimedia Foundation which operates Misplaced Pages. Angela. 20:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Expanding Article on Hendrik Frensch Verwoerd

There appears to be a group of individuals who consistently impede any constructive additions to the article in question. Undoing and blocking all editions pertaining to users outside their nest of selections.

The editing recently done to this article has been referenced to credible sources, some already available on other related articles, regardless of the fact of the neutrality displayed in the additions manifested in the facts and phraseology in use.

It would be detrimental to Misplaced Pages if a consensus is not reached on this question pertaining to all articles not only this one. If the material being added is not significant it would be understandable, yet where the facts could be correct and the community interested in the subject at hand are in conflict with the manner of its publication, the rational and professional solution would be to offer an alternative to the edition being proposed. Simply deleting and blocking any attempt to contribute to this and any other article in a constructive manner can only be viewed as autocratic in the least and a hypocrisy of what the globally renowned Misplaced Pages stands for.Wsa1 (talk) 22:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion for Juliancolton RfB

A bureaucrat discussion has been opened in order to determine the consensus in this request for adminship. Please come participate. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Constant harassment against me by a small group of editors

Can you please do something about this? There are a small group of editors that keep harassing me by constantly insulting me and then requesting that I be banned. It has gotten well out of hand and I feel that the bureaucrats as a whole need to step and tell them to stop it. Here is an attempt by them to get me banned Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Wiki Greek Basketball. I am 100% confident that there must be some kind of site policy that is against trying to wrongly get people banned and doing it simply out of some sort of hatred or personal issues. I don't know what exactly to do about this other than to report it directly to a general group of people. That is why I am telling you and all the others directly about it. Because reporting it on the noticeboard is not working and does not work. As long as only a small group of people are involved they are able to harass you and get away with it. Please kindly tell these editors to stop harassing me and to not bring any false abuse reports against me again and please tell them to not attempt to wrongly ban me again. I thank you very, very much if you will help me with this. Thank you sincerely for any help as it will be greatly appreciated.Wiki Greek Basketball (talk) 09:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Angela! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 3 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

1. Jane Davidson - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 05:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

There was a reference - just not the new style of reference as it was written in 2004. Maybe your bot should convert old style references instead of leaving such messages and adding tags claiming there are no references when there's a section called references on the page. Angela. 07:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You are talking to a bot, you need to click User talk:DASHBot and leave a message there. Thanks. Ikip _{an olympic medallist for f**k's sake} 09:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

I reach out to you, in part, because of a speculative thread you initiated in 2003 at meta:Misplaced Pages needs editors -- here. In the months since I created Teachable moment, the topic has taken on an unanticipated personal relevance. I wonder if you might consider joining other co-mentors in a mentorship committee for me?

Perhaps you might consider taking a look at an old edit at Misplaced Pages:Mentorship#Unintended consequences? In the search for a mentor deemed acceptable by ArbCom, I cite this as a plausible context for discussing what I have in mind.

I am sending you an e-mail as well. Please contact me by e-mail or on my talk page. --Tenmei (talk) 04:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Sydney meetup

It's been a while since the wiki folk of Sydney had the chance to meetup - and there's quite a lot going on. If you've never been to a meetup before, you're especially welcome, and if you're an old hand, then please do make an effort to touch base :-) You can sign up here, or drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions or anything - hope to see you there! cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

It's a pretty arbitrary date (as usual co-inciding with me being in the city) - no-one's signed up as definite yet, so does a week earlier or later mean you guys might make it? - worth a thought anywhoo.. Privatemusings (talk) 03:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe if it was later, but I can't guarantee it so it's not worth changing the date for us. Maybe just have another in April, as long as it doesn't clash with the MediaWiki / Chapters meetings in Berlin. (I realise those pages are unhelpfully blank for now, but I believe it's happening sometime around the 14th.) Angela. 07:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

File:Esperanza A.png listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Esperanza A.png, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. IngerAlHaosului (talk) 14:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit war in the article of prekmurian dialect

Angela! I need to help, as User:Doremo keep at edit war in the article of prekmurian dialect. Doremo constantly constrain to the names Prekmurje dialect, Prekmurje language, and Slovenian language, Slovenian dialects, Hungarian Slovenians. In the english wikipedia Slovene language, Slovene dialects, Hungarian Slovenes articles is legibles, accordingly the Slovenes the received name. I know account for the prekmurian language, prekmurian dialect also received, grammatically convenient names. Doremo allude to the tractate of the american linguist Marc L. Greenberg, where Greenberg use to the Prekmurje language name. But yet Greenberg and the dean of University of Maribor, Marko Jesenšek also accept to the prekmurian norm. See also: STYLISTICS IN ADVERTISING TEXTS IN PREKMURJE. My mother tongue is the prekmurian, and few speakers be for to the name prekmurian language, prekmurian dialect. Besides i care to shortly presentate to the prekmurian in SIL international, that enrol this language with name prekmurian. Doncsecz 16:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

John Hunyadi

Can you please solve the vandalism problem at this page, user http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Squash_Racket is erasing comments on the discussion page, he violates the facts on the article even if the other concensus is achieved on the discussion page. Can you please check it out, if not, who should i address with this problem? Thank you.188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Iadrian yu (above IP) evades his block he received for edit warring. Squash Racket (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Lol, he follows me. User:Iadrian yu we live in the same city, i am not registered but i am trying to prevent page valdalism after i saw that user banned. Just because we live in the same city means i can`t edit wikipedia? And the fact that http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Squash_Racket is manupilating even the discussion page is outrageous.188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Again: User:Iadrian yu (above IP) evades his block he received for edit warring.

They live in the same city and happen to edit extremely similarly. Squash Racket (talk) 18:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Again: User:Squash Racket is vandalizing the discussion page and the article.188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Blocked user's (User:Iadrian yu) edits SHOULD be removed. Squash Racket (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

If there's a problem with vandalism, please report that at WP:AIV. Angela. 19:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki poll by chance

4 deleted beginnings by User:Kanonkas 78.55.51.15 (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Update: vandal's buddy. And here is his reward :-). Congratulations 78.55.65.160 (talk) 17:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

• Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=328415260#Might_be_interesting_for_Jimbo_or_some_hesitating_donors

• Is this vandalism or not? Regards Mutter Erde 92.230.92.67 (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• See also: User:Kanonkas vandalizing your talk site Regards Mutter Erde 78.55.98.47 (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

down with war!

A quick Question

Is it possible to take control of a username that is not active anymore? I like to create an acount and the username i first chose is already is use, he has not edited an almost 2 years. Or do I have to chose another.173.203.100.79 (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, see WP:USURP. Angela.

An Admin power abuse question

Hi, Angela I am writing to you because you were one of the first in the list of bureaucrats. My user name is Lilit Gabyan. I used to be an admin in Armenian language wiki in 2005 as user Lilith. Then I stopped being active because of some personal problems. Quite recently I decided to return back and was astonished to see that for Four years so little has been done in the site as compared to other language sites. So I felt somewhat excited and responsible for doing something. I am an educated adult and hope I do not sound as capable for indecent and offensive behaviour, violating Misplaced Pages ethics because these were exactly the charges for banning my IP for three days. I had dared to ask the admin HOW MANY OPINIONS ARE MAKING THE VOICE OF COMMUNITY and something like WHO IS THE CLEVER GUY that has broken the links in all articles to other language wikis without cleaning up so as the word is blue but linking to nowhere. Whatever I want to regain adminship because I see I have a lot to do in the Armenian wiki but I feel that the current admins are very prone to abusing their power and I am afraid that there is some sort of admin brotherhood conspiracy so they will resist by all means the entry of a new admin through community voting, as long as they are the most active participants pushing away all newcomers with different viewpoints. I understand the adminship acquiring and regaining processes in each wiki are internal affairs. But in this particular case there is no bureaucrat in the Armenian wiki and 6 young male admins are going astray without a balancing voice. The community is not active and there is a danger of continuous collective power abuse. The statistics of the Armenian wiki are quite eloquent. Would you please be so kind as to advice me what can I do to regain adminship. I had more than 1500 edits in the course of the first two weeks of April. And my IP closure came like a bucket of ice water in the middle of saving an article that I had worked on for several hours. First I was so disappointed that I had decided not to return. I have had enormous emotional stress in the course of these three days. Now I am determined to stay and work for regaining adminship as long and as much as it takes. I will highly appreciate your advice --Lilit Gabyan (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what the local policies on the Armenian Misplaced Pages are, so I can't really advise what you should do about this. Is there any process like WP:RFC or WP:ARBCOM there? Would it help if you just edited without adminship for a while first in order to rebuild trust within the community? Angela. 01:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That is the biggest question. All references for adminship are linked to the English wiki files they have not been even translated. The majority of Misplaced Pages files existing now are those that I personally have started to translate back in 2005. Which has been not more than 15 percent of all. Now for the beginning I started to edit and translate whatever files where missing for the Help functions, even the History of Misplaced Pages was unfinished. The only file complete and done after me is 5 pillars which these guys are quoting in answer to any question. All the other answers and justifications they give are references to either selectively and erroneously translated sentences with very subjective interpretation, like: It is forbidden to link to other language wikis. Give it with ref tags because it is an unpleasant surprise when a visitor is pushing on the link and it takes him to another language page. And later another admin is making a statement: It is forbidden to give references to the articles of other language wikis. We have already discussed and made decision and you ought to abide to the decision of the community. I brought this examples because they were the latest. Or: It is forbidden to translate articles from other language wikis period. And there is an ominous template in all articles promising to erase all translations because it is a violation of copyrights however there is no explanation to the English language referenced Commons attribution circumstances with no whatsoever corresponding translated clauses. I started to make a list of Misplaced Pages files to be translated ASAP which I think was exactly what frightened them. All internal policies are orally agreed upon in personal meetings and to any objection the reference is made: look in the discussion in the Archive.
There is very obvious discrimination. Like in the course of two weeks I was not aware that under three names one and the same person is participating in the discussions and doing it so masterfully changing the style of writing and even orthography and wording that I was answering to each of his statements thinking I am talking to three different persons. All the others in the admin community were actually having fun watching my multilateral dialogue. Nobody even hinted the fact of puppetry. However when I made an attempt to object against my banning using my other account with my own name, the banning of my IP was extended to a week with a very loud accusation of puppetry and bringing erroneously translated clauses again from articles which do not exist in the wiki as reference. There were even such ridiculous statements as I have a hide IP soft here if you need which where preferred to be neglected. When one of the other participants said what if she is disappointed and decide not to come back, she has done in two weeks more than others in their whole wikilife time. The answer was good riddance. I had translated already the new version of About WIkipedia, however instead of referring the already existing files the admins again prefer to make quotations from English wiki, shutting down any attempt to object with such demagogy and stormy statements taking almost as long paragraphs as this one is, that anybody watching from aside will loose the logic of sequence of statements.
In the discussion forum have been me and three admins only, whereas they claim everybody, community community. When two other participants started to object for my points and demand to reopen my accounts they were also been shut down.
There are open statements in the discussions about censorship, about deleting articles which they think do not deserve to being, about not allowing or the undesirability of stupid newcomers, because FINALLY we are on our own and if more people come in then the quality of articles will AGAIN go down. But WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES for clean up. Last summer they had organized what they call a COMMUNITY CLEAN UP WEEKEND erasing articles which they think have no right to exist and obviously people coming back and not finding what they had started once are disappointed and pushed away.
My confrontation began when I protested against some of the articles that I had started being erased. I know the rules I cannot be cheated but the templates placed under the erased articles are so offending and threatening like THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN ERASED BECAUSE OF INCONSISTENCY WITH WIKIPEDIA OBJECTIVES AND STANDARDS. YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THE EXPEDIENCY OF RESTARTING IT. which even for me sounded frightening. I could bring pages of such facts but I do not want to bother you more than I have already done. So there is neither policy nor even corresponding article for applying for adminship and all references and links are bringing to the English wiki. So you see it is a vicious circle. --91.103.31.11 (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC) --Lilit Gabyan (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC) (Sorry for taking so much of you time)

I am really sorry I have bothered you with this. This way or that way I will have to edit for a while without adminship. I will simply shut up and continue doing what I have planned and in a couple of months we shall see. In any case thank you very much for reading all this and sorry for the bother.--Lilit Gabyan (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

help

I'm a Chinese wiki user My user page,but the Chinese wiki administor blocked me, the reason is that I am Likely a sockpuppet,they assume the user is bad,not assume good faith, so I come here for help,hope you can help me,Thank you--愛你千萬次 (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

here is the reason they blocked me,the reason

Hello, I have created the page Beaman (cryptid), and it is a hoax. Thus, I would be grateful if this could be removed. Thank you.

I suggest you use an {{delete}} tag on it. Angela. 07:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you

I recently started a new wiki that is hosted on wikia. I would like to grant one user admin rights and my understand is that I should be able to but I can't find out how, could you help me? If you respond here, ill be watching :P 58.209.224.150 (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, 10 min. after posting this, I found out how. 58.209.224.150 (talk) 06:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok. If you have other questions, you can find the Wikia forums here. Angela. 07:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages logo use

Please grant permission for me to upload this image to Misplaced Pages/Commons. It has been deleted several times when I have provided permission from other sources, so I would like permission from you. thanks! ~Darth Starbo 19:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

That's not something I can grant permission for, and I doubt the foundation would either. I suggest you find a non-copyrighted and non-trademarked image to do that with instead. Angela. 22:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: An Admin Power Abuse question

Thank you very much Angela. Now Zara_arush is launching a true Salem witch hunt or public enemy number 1 campaign against me and another editor with whom I have barely exchanged a couple of sentences in the site and who has dared to express opinion against possible admin power abuse. Frankly I am giving up for now and I will need a lot of strength to overcome the disappointment,if ever.Lilit Gabyan (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Andrelenotre.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Andrelenotre.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of that website's terms of use of its content. However, if the copyright holder is a party unaffiliated from the website's publisher, that copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider verifying that you have specified sources for those files as well. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged per Misplaced Pages's criteria for speedy deletion, F4. If the image is copyrighted and non-free, the image will be deleted 48 hours after 06:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC) per speedy deletion criterion F7. If you have any questions or are in need of assistance please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. FASTILY_sock 06:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

As it was painted by someone who died in 1713, I'm sure you can tell that it's public domain, so I don't see what the problem is. However, as a better version has been uploaded since, it may as well be deleted. Angela. 08:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

WTF?

Our main datacenter is down, you are accessing our backup datacenter. We are working to fix the problem</div>

What does it mean the </div> character on the end of this message? Are you all right??? O-o

<div> is an HTML tag which shouldn't usually be visible. If you have problems with Wikia, please use Wikia's contact page to report those. Angela. 05:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Pechersky Article

Hi I wrote the Alexander Pechersky (Sobibor Death Camp) article and it was given a C rating. I submitted it for a boost to at least a B, but the person in charge of making that decision is making strange requests prior to his/her approval that I feel will ruin the article. I dont know any admins or bosses on Misplaced Pages, I just create original content. As a neutral party would you please look at the article if you got a moment, and give a bit of input? Thank you. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 11:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Shri Nityananda-guna-varnana

Description of Lord Nityananda's Virtues

Text 1 Glory, glory to Lord Chaitanya, who is an ocean of mercy! Glory to the handsome son of Saci and Jagannatha Misra!

Text 2 Glory, glory to Saci's son, Shri Krishna Chaitanya! By giving it the holy name of Lord Krishna, Lord Chaitanya has made this world fortunate and glorious.

Text 3 Accompanied by Nityananda and Gadadhara, Lord Chaitanya enjoyed pastimes in Navadvipa.

Text 4 After striking Devananda with the stick of His words, Lord Chaitanya returned to His home.

Text 5 Devaananda Pandita returned to his home. Because of bad association, he was now unhappy.

Text 6 Even though the people may think them pious and saintly, persons like Devananda are not qualified to stand before Lord Chaitanya.

Text 7 Only by the mercy of a Vaishnava can one attain Lord Chaitanya. If a person has no love and devotion, his austerities and japa will not help him attain the Lord.

Text 8 Even if he has attained Lord Krishna's mercy, a person who offends a Vaishnava is stopped from attaining ecstati love for Lord Krishna.

Text 9 I do not speak these words. They are the Vedas' words. Saci's son proved that they are true.

Text 10

Mother Saci, in whose womâ Lord Chaitanya descended to this world, once offended a Vaishnava.

Text 11

Lord Chaitanya destroyed her offense, taught her, and gave her the gift of ecstati spiritual love.

Text 12

Please carefully hear this story. By hearing it one's offenses to Vaishnavas are destroyed.

Text 13

One day handsome fair-limbed Lord Chaitanya rose and then sat down on the throne of Lord Vishnu.

Text 14

Placing on His lap His Salagrama-sila forms, Lord Chaitanya happily manifested His transcendental glories.

Text 15

He said, "I am Krishna, come to the Kali-yuga. I am Narayana. I am Ramacandra, who bridged the ocean.

Text 16

"I slept in the milk-ocean. Then Nar#a's loud calls broke My sleep.

Text 17

"I am here to freely distribute pure spiritual love and pure devotional service. Ask, Nar#a. Ask for a boon. Ask for a boon, Shrivasa."

Text 18

Seeing that Lord Chaitanya was now openly manifesting His glories, Nityananda held a great parasol over the Lord's head.

Text 19

On the left Gadadhara held betelnuts. In the four directions the devotees waved camaras.

Text 20

Lord Chaitanya freely distributed pure devotional service. He gave many boons. He gave whatever the devotees desired.

Text 21

Someone said, "My father is sinful at heart. PLease make his heart good. That will be a great relief to me."

Text 22

Some asked blessing for their teachers, some for their students, some for their children, and some for their wives. They asked whatever they wished.

Text 23

Lord Chaitanya granted whatever was asked. Smiling, He gave everyone the gift of pure love and pure devotion.

Text 24

Saintly Shrivasa said, "Lord, to Your mother please give the gift of ecstati love for Lord Krishna. Everyone wants You to give her that gift."

Text 25

Lord Chaitanya said, "Shrivasa, I will not give it. To her I will not give the pastimes of ecstati love for Lord Krishna.

Text 26

"She offended a Vaishnava. Therefore she cannot have ecstati love for Lord Krishna."

Text 27

Eloquent Shrivasa said again, "Lord, these words will make us all leave our bodies.

Text 28

"You are her son. You entered her womb. Why is she not qualified to attain ecstati love for Lord Krishna?

Text 29

"Your mother is everyone's life. She is the mother of all the worlds. Lord, please give up Your tricks and illusions and give her ecstati love for Lord Krishna.

Text 30

"Lord, You are her son, and therefore she is also the mother of us all. How can a mother offend her son? That is my opinion.

Text 31

"If she has offended a Vaishnava, then please be kind and break her offense into pieces."

Text 32

Lord Chaitanya said, "I have the power to teach her, but I have no power to break apart her offense to a Vaishnava.

Text 33

"Only the offended Vaishnava can forgive the offense. On then is the offense destroyed. There is no other way.

Text 34

"You know how Durvasa's offense to Maharaja Ambarisha was finally destroyed.

Text 35

"My mother offended Nar#a. Only when Nar#a forgives her will she attain the mercy that gives ecstati love for Lord Krishna.

Text 36

"When she takes the dust of Advaita's feet and places it on her head, then, by My order, My mother will attain ecstati love for Lord Krishna."

Text 37

Then everyone went to Advaita and told Him all that Lord Chaitanya had said.

Text 38

Hearing these words, Advaita remembered Lord Vishnu and said, "You all want to take away My life.

Text 39

"Through Saci's womâ Lord Chaitanya entered this world. She is My mother. I am her son.

Text 40

"It is I who should take the dust of Mother Saci's feet. I do not understand even a single sesame seed of her power and glory.

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"Mother Saci is the personification of devotional service to Lord Vishnu. She is the mother of the worlds. How can you talk the way you have done?

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"Even a person who, thinking it an ordinary material word, speaks the word `a-i' (mother), the power of that word `a-i' is such that the speaker will no longer suffer.

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"Mother Saci is Goddess Ganga. They are not different. Mother Saci is Devaki and Yasoda. That is the nature of Mother Saci."

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After speaking the truth about Mother Saci, Advaita entered an ecstati trance and fell to the ground. He was not in external consciousness.

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Aware that this was her opportunity, Mother Saci came and placed the dust of Advaita's feet on her head.

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Mother Saci is a great Vaishnavi. She is pure devotional service personified. She had the power to hold Lord Chaitanya in her womb.

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When she took the dust from Advaita's feet, Mother Saci became overwhelmed and fell to the ground. She was no longer in external consciousness.

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The Vaishnavas called out, "Jaya! Jaya Hari!" They made a great tumult of chanting Lord Chaitanya's names.

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By Mother Saci's power, Advaita was not in external consciousness. By Lord Advaita's power, Mother Saci was not in external consciousness.

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They were both overwhelmed by each other's power. Meanwhile the circle of Vaishnavas chanted, "Hari! Hari!"

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Sitting on the Deity's throne, Lord Chaitanya smiled and laughed. Pleased, He said to His mother,

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"Now you may have pure devotion to Lord Vishnu. Your offense to Advaita is no more."

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Hearing these merciful words from the Lord's graceful mouth, everyone called out, "Jaya! Jaya Hari!"

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Making an example of Mother Saci, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the teacher (siksha-guru, of all, taught everyone to carefully avoid offending Vaishnavas.

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If even a person equal to Lord Siva offends a Vaishnava, the offender will perish. This the scriptures say.

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They who will not follow these instructions and blaspheme good people are sinners. They will suffer birth after birth.

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What to speak of others, even Lord Chaitanya's own mother was punished for offending a Vaishnava.

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In truth Mother Saci had not committed any offense. Still, Lord Chaitanya said that she had.

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Why do the people call Him "Advaita"? Why did Saci, displeased, call Him "Dvaita"?

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Now I will tell this story. Please listen carefully. This is related to the story of Visvarupa.

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Saintly Visvarupa was Lord Chaitanya's elder brother. Handsomeness like His was difficult to find in all the worlds. He was very powerful and glorious.

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He was learned in all the scriptures. He was very saintly and peaceful. His body was not different from Lord Nityananda's body.

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The people in Navadvipa could not understand His very learned lectures. Still, accepting the mood of a boy, He stayed with the boys.

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One day Jagannatha Misra went to a meeting of panditas, and his very handsome son Visvarupa followed behind him.

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Jagannatha Misra entered the assembly of bhattacaryas. Seeing Visvraupa, the whole assembly was filled with wonder.

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Handsome, all-powerful Visvarupa, who was Lord Nityananda Himself, stole the hearts of everyone there.

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One bhattacarya asked, "What are you studying?" Visvarupa replied, "A little. A little of everything."

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Thinking Him only a child, no one said anything more. Only Jagannatha Misra became unhappy to hear that arrogant reply.

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As They walked home on the path, Jagannatha Misra rebuked Visvarupa,

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"Rascal, why did You not tell the assembly what books You study?

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"You acted as if You were more learned than anyone else. Now the others will mock me and embarrass me."

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Very angry with his son, very generous and fortunate Jagannatha Misra walked home.

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Returning to the assembly, smiling Visvarupa said to the bhattacaryas,

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"You did not ask Me any questions. Now My father is punishing Me.

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"In My heart is the thought that you should ask me questions. All of you please gather together and ask Me questions."

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Smiling, one bhattacarya asked, "Listen, child. Please tell a little of what You studied today."

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Lord Visvarupa explained a sutra. In their hearts everyone decided that His explanations were very good.

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Everyone said, "You explained the sutra well." Lord Visvarupa replied, "You did not understand anything of it. Now I will tear My own explanation into pieces."

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Explaining again, He refuted all He had just proved. Wonder entered everyone's hearts.

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Three times He refuted His explanations and three times He refuted the refutations and re-established the original premise.

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"He is very, very intelligent," everyone said. Still, bewildered by Lord Vishnu's illusory potency, no one there could understand Visvarupa's true identity.

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In this way Visvarupa stayed in Navadvipa. Seeing the people empty of devotion to the Lord, He was not happy.

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The whole world was intoxicated by material things. No one understood the glories and auspiciousness of devotion to Lord Vishnu.

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They lost great wealth on festivals for their children and others. No one was aware of worship offered to Lord Krishna, or the religion of devotion to Lord Krishna.

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The learned teachers lectured on material logic. None of them knew anything about devotion to Lord Krishna or worship of Lord Krishna.

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If someone lectured on Bhagavad-gita or Shrimad-Bhagavatam, he would not say anything about devotional service. His explanations were all dry.

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Not hearing descriptions of devotional service anywhere, Lord Visvarupa became very unhappy.

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The lion who bears the name Advaita and who is full of Lord Krishna's powers lectured on Yoga-vasishtha. But His explanations were all about devotional service.

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Who could understand Advaita's explanations? Advaita was the foremost of the Vaishnavas in Nadiya.

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Looking in the four directions, Visvarupa felt unhappy at heart. On in Advaita did He find the happiness of pure love for Lord Krishna.

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Visvarupa always stayed with Advaita. Accompanied by Visvarupa, Advaita happily tasted the mellows of pure dveotion.

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At this time Lord Chaitanya was still a small boy. His limbs were fair and handsome. His hair was gracefully curly. His charming form stole everyone's heart.

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Mother Saci would tell Him, "Visvambhara, Quickly go, call Your brother, and bring Him home."

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On His mother's order, Lord Chaitanya would run to Advaita's home.

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There Advaita sat, surrounded by many devotees. Shrivasa and many other great souls were there.

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Lord Chaitanya would say, "Brother, come home and eat rice. Don't delay." Smiling and smiling, the Lord would speak these words.

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Lord Chaitanya stole the hearts of everyone. They all gazed at the very handsome form of the boy Lord.

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Completely enchanted, Advaita gazed at the Lord. Forgetting everything, He gazed at the Lord's face.

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In this way, on the preText of calling for Visvarupa on Their mother's order, Lord Chaitanya came there every day.

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Gazing at Lord Chaitanya, Advaita thought in His heart, "This very handsome boy has stolen My heart.

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"This person who now enchants Me must be My Lord. Who else has the power to steal My heart? That is what My heart now thinks."

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Understanding Advaita's thoughts, Lord Chaitanya, who is the Supersoul in the hearts of all beings, quickly returned to His home.

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Rejecting material pleasures, Visvarupa stayed always with Advaita.

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Visvarupa's story was elaborately told in the Adi-khanda. In the form of Lord Nityananda, Visvarupa enjoyed limitless pastimes.

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The incarnations of the Supreme Lord know the Supreme Lord's will very well. After some days, Visvarupa accepted sannyasa.

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Known in this world by the name Sankararanya, He was the foremost of Vaishnavas. He walked on the path of the limitless Supreme Lord.

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Accepting a sannyasi's danda, He traveled about. Mother Saci's heart was always broken with grief.

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Becoming thoughtful, Saci decided in her heart, "Advaita made My son leave home."

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Afraid to offend a Vaishnava, Mother Saci said nothing. In her heart she was very unhappy.

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Looking at Lord Chaitanya, Mother Saci forgot her grief. The Lord made His mother's happiness grow.

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After some days, by divine arrangement, Lord Chaitanya manifested His true nature. Then He always enjoyed pastimes with Advaita.

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Neglecting Goddess Lakshami and leaving the happiness of His own home, Lord Chaitanya stayed at Advaita's home.

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Seeing that her son no longer stayed at home, Mother Saci thought, "Advaita will take My son away."

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Unhappy, she told everyone, "Who says He is `Advaita'? That Vaishnava is `Dvaita' (full of duplicity).

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"He has already driven away one moonlike son. Now he will not leave my other son alone.

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"I am a helpless widow. No one is kind to me. To the world He is `Advaita'. But to me He is `Dvaita-maya' (full of duplicity).

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This was the entirety of her offense. There was nothing more than that. Because of this offense Lord Chaitanya would not give His mother devotional service. 

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A person who calls one Vaishnava a `big Vaishnava' and another Vaishnava a `little Vaishnava' may be peaceful and happy for now, but for how long will he remain peaceful and happy?

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On the preText of rebuking His mother, Lord Chaitanya, the supreme teacher (siksha-guru), taught everyone to carefully avoid offending a Vaishnava.

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Anyone who jumps over lionlike Lord Chaitanya's order and foolishly offends a Vaishnava will be punished for his offense.

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Please give me your attention and hear why Lord Chaitanya spoke as He did.

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Lord Chaitanya knows everything that happens in all three phases (past, present, and future, of time. He knows that in the future some demoni people will serve Lord Advaita.

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They will refer to Lord Advaita by the name "Shri Krishna". In this way they will reject the words of the true Vaishnavas.

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These sinners will thus disobey the devotees who affirm that Advaita is "the greatest Vaishnava".

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Many persons will consider themselves the followers of Lord Advaita, but they will not have the power to see how in the future they will be punished.

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Lord Chaitanya, the crest jewel of they who know everything, knew all this. Therefore He did something to try to stop this from happening.

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By punishing His mother, Lord Chaitanya showed the result that comes from offending Lord Advaita or any other Vaishnava.

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No one can protect a person who has offended a Vaishnava.

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Therefore one should avoid persons who offend Vaishnava.

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One should avoid an offender, even if the offender is otherwise very qualified. A little association with an offender will make one fall down.

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Who has the power to understand why the Lord gives punishment? By punishing His mother, He taught everyone.

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Anyone who blasphemes they who use the word `Vaishnava" to address Lord Advaita will be punished. He will perish.

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Lord Chaitanya is theSupreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all. To be called His follower is very great praise.

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Without any intention to deceive, Lord Chaitanya openly said that Lord Nityananda is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself.

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By Lord Nityananda's mercy I know Lord Chaitanya. By Lord Nityananda's mercy I know the Vaishnavas.

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By Lord Nityananda's mercy offenses are destroyed. By Lord Nityananda's mercy one attains devotion to Lord Vishnu.

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Blasphemy directed to Lord Nityananda's servants never enters my mouth. Day and night I happily sing Lord Chaitanya's glories

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I carefully serve Lord Nityananda's devotees. Lord Chaitanya is the life and wealth of Lord Nityananda's servants.

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A person who has only a little good fortune will not become Lord Nityananda's servant, for Lord Nityananda's servant is able to see Lord Chaitanya.

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Anyone who hears this story of Lord Visvarupa becomes a servant of the limitless Supreme Personality of Godhead. He feels that Lord Nityananda is his very life.

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Lord Nityananda and Lord Visvarupa do not have different bodies. This Mother Saci knew. Some other great souls also knew.

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Glory to Lord Nityananda, who takes shelter of Lord Chaitanya! Glory, glory to Lord Nityananda, who is thousand-faced Ananta Sesha!

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O Lord Nityananda, O king of Gauda-desa, glory to You! Who can attain Lord Chaitanya without first attaining Your mercy?

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Anyone who loses Lord Nityananda will not be happy in this life.

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Will I some day see Lord Chaitanya, Lord Nityananda, and their associates all thogether in one place?

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Lord Chaitanya is my master. With great faith and hope I meditate on Him within my heart.

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I bow down before Lord Advaita's feet. I pray that he will always be dear to me and that He will always stay in my thoughts.

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The two moons Shri Krishna Chaitanya and Shri Nityananda are my life and soul. I, Vrindavana dasa, sing the glories of Their feet.