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User:Betacommand now editing as Δ

Template:Formerly

I am User:Betacommand, (you can check my status on commons where I was renamed), I am not going to go with the normal rename process due my high edit count and the issues involved with such a rename. (we normally have to get a developer involved in order to fix what ever breaks). I would like all the userrights removed from my old account to my new account. I waited to do the rename here on en.wp until I was no longer under any restrictions, in order to make the least hassle and drama, thanks. Δ (talk) 21:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

given the high edit count, I'm ok with this as long as the two userpages link to each other. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Ive already redirected my old userpage. Δ (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

And of course many will call you "delta" as they aren't familiar with entering special characters. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thats to be expected since that is my username :) Δ (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, you have not complied with Rlevse's restriction "as long as the two userpages link to each other" in this edit to this page, in which you were instructed to have your new userpage link to your old userpage, which you have not yet done, so I'm not disposed to welcome you back just yet.   — Jeff G. ツ 05:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I guess that would depend on one's definition of linked. The problem with the redirects is someone not familiar with Delta's history won't know Delta is AKA Betacommand. So for me something like "I was formerly..." and "I am now ..." is in order. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I would consider redirects as linked as you can get. The I was formerly... and I am now ... I find cheesy and tacky. They are not required by policy so I'm not planning on doing something like that. I am not attempting to hide anything. If anyone has questions of who I am they can check what links here, or take a look at my first edits. Δ (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both for clarifying your positions.   — Jeff G. ツ 15:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Then use something like Jack Merridew has at the top of his user page. Without a rename or user page link, there's nothing linking the accounts other than this thread which will be buried deep in page history soon. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I was fiddling with that stuff earlier today (had not seen this thread). I'm thinking you mean the sock icon next to my user name; this thing got wonky with the deployment of vector due to the addition of a new level of containing block in the page structure (means they added position:relative to a deeper div; huh?: they messed with stuff). I've changed things to all work within yet another positioning context that I setup. I'm sure Deltacommand can pick it apart as desired. Prolly using some sort of delta-icon, or one for renames. nb: I hates user box templates, and they should never be required for such circumstances. Or the drop-menus I've restored? ;) I nicked those off User:Hersfold sometime last year. They had vector issues, too; much as above and due to the messing that keeps occurring with the topicon class; fixed similarly, today, and I added z-index, which is fairly specific to my user page mechanism. Cheers all, Jack Merridew 23:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

{{User previous acct}} also exists for this purpose, it would also help in heading off any concerns raised that you've renamed to avoid scrutiny. –xeno 16:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Would such a template be OK on Δ's talkpage? Reason I ask is, I'm seeing the pristine red of Δ's userpage, and I'm wondering if the stumbling block is a desire to maintain a red userpage. TFOWR 16:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

That seems fine to me. –xeno 16:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

The Prev acct template on the talkpage only is okay with me. It should of course permanently be at the top. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd like X! to explain this since discussion is ongoing here and he didn't bother to let us know. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

It's called "I didn't see the thread before he pinged me on IRC asking for me to do it". Am I expected to watch BN like a hawk every waking moment? Especially when I was busy doing other stuff? I didn't think so. A simple "{{done}} by X! ~~~~" would be easier. (X! · talk)  · @975  ·  22:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

So BC starts the thread, some responses are made and many hours later he contacts you to get it done while discussion is ongoing here? Now I'm going to ask BC/Delta to explain this. At a minimum it's forum shopping. I don't expect you to watch BN every second but I do expect BC to know better. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Here is how I see it, 1. Renames with extremely high editcounts normally require devs to fix. 2. My userrights on my old account where in good standing. 3. There have been no issues with my new name 4. When a user renames their user rights get transferred to their new name 5. According to that logic (which everyone agrees to) my user rights should be transferred. 6. You are trying to hold something over my head has leverage to force me to do something that I would rather not. 7. I am under no restrictions and am in good standing with the community so the attempted withholding of my userrights as a form of persuasion to force me to add some stupid template or configure my sig to some silly thing saying Formerly user xxx is just cretinous. Since the only thing holding the issue back here is how I link to to my old username (Ive already redirected the pages to my talk) you have no ground for withholding my valid user rights.

upon those grounds I ask an un-involved crat to move my user rights, since because it seems your history with me prevented you from taking a objective stance with regard to my request. Δ (talk) 23:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Your third point isn't strictly true. When you asked to be renamed to ∆, the request was denied by several bureaucrats . Some of the concerns raised in that thread could apply equally to transferring rights to Δ and I think it should have been drawn to everyone's attention here. WJBscribe (talk) 23:50, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Following up this comment by WJBscribe, where was the "SUL unification request" referred to by Deskana made? –xeno 12:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

He asked me on IRC. I can't remember much about the conversation and I don't keep logs. Perhaps Betacommand has some. --Deskana (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance, but are usurp requests regularly handled in this manner? Betacommand, is there a particular reason you chose to initiate this request via IRC rather than the the usual fashion? –xeno 14:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I have seen requests on IRC before, and I wanted to wait until my restrictions expired on enwp before changing names here. I had already been renamed across the other WMF wikis, and just wanted to get as much cleaned up as I could before actually changing nicks. ΔT 15:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, they're not normally handled on IRC but there's no restriction against it. I'd like Betacommand to make any logs he has of our chat available to me. My memory is extremely hazy, but I seem to recall that I asked Betacommand to make the request publicly but he said he wouldn't, and made some comment about wanting to avoid drama. I'd forgotten about the previous rename request since it was just over three years ago and I had minimal involvement other than saying "too many people said no, sorry". --Deskana (talk) 14:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Betacommand informs me that he doesn't keep logs of his private messages on IRC, so it looks like my hazy recollection will have to do. --Deskana (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

@Betacommand, you've stated a few times you are under no restrictions, however WP:RESTRICT has a section listed for User:Betacommand with an expiry time of 'indefinite'. Has this been vacated? –xeno 14:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Im not sure why that was placed there as those are not actual editing restrictions. Rather the conclusion of an arbcom case. Other than stressing that I follow standard policies, with that case there where no specific editing restrictions put into place. ΔT 15:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to note that at the time of my previous request that the username policy frowned upon non-Latin usernames, this has since changed. Δ (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Obfuscation isn't going to help you. You had a rename to delta denied, you come here to ask for something, the discussion was ongoing, no one said no, and you went behind our backs to get what you wanted. Now if you'd told X! about this thread it'd be different, but you didn't. This is sneaky, underhanded, and forum shopping. I was not the only one with the same concerns so don't try to single me out. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Its not Obfuscation, its the facts. You are the only one wanting me to "Link" my old and new names. I am considering this closed and am moving on to more productive actions. ΔT 10:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Reread the thread, I'm not the only one. And some of the arbs have told me they agree with me. But not to worry, you're already displaying the same attitudes that got you in trouble before and will do so again and you'll do it all on your own. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Add me to the list of users requesting such a link. I'm unable to think of a valid reason for its omission.

Indeed, Betacommand/Δ engaged in dishonest forum shopping when he didn't receive the response that he wanted. And yes, he's displaying precisely the same attitude that led to the past problems ("I'm right and the rest of you are wrong, so I shall ignore you and go about my business."). —David Levy 15:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Linking the pages should have already been done. BC/D is clearly ignoring all this. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. This is the same unsatisfactory communication that contributed to his desysopping per Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand and his editing restrictions and many blocks per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand 2, as well as to at least three warnings since his return (he was also warned for edit warring twice and vandalism once).   — Jeff G. ツ 07:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Puzzled. When I click on the userpage, I get an entirely blank space. (Glad someone explained it's called "Delta". I'd call it "pointy triangle", but then I am a barbarian. Literally a barbarian, as it happens. --Dweller (talk) 10:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I recommend Waiting for the Barbarians. Cheers, Jack Merridew 23:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Someone may wish to talk to BAG about this situation, since his bot has been given approval for a trial Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Δbot. Peachey88 10:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done with this edit.   — Jeff G. ツ 20:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

What's now an issue to me is that neither the delta userpage nor talkpage has information about the previous username. I say we should require BOTH. Andrevan@ 16:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Unless you have a policy that states that I must have a stupid template, Im not going to have one. (No such policy exists) So lets just move on and do something productive. ΔT 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Andrevan. Having been familiar with old admin usernames that have disappeared with a rename, and being unable to easily find the RFA page of renamed admins, I find this irritation, and to be a side-step to normal admin accountability. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't aware this had anything to do with "normal admin accountability" since Delta isn't an admin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I was sure that I remembered that he was (Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Betacommand). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

What I meant was that he isn't currently and hasn't been for over 3 years. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I know. I had immediately worked out my false assumption. I didn't know that he wasn't still an administrator. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm always wary when I see "Unless you have a policy that states that I must have...". This is a collaborative project, and people are suggesting (and I agree) that the accounts should be clearly linked with a statement of some type that explains the connection. It maybe that delta doesn't see the need for that, but many of his fellow editors on this collaborative project do. Now, is there a valid reason to refuse? Because if there's not, I think these user-rights should be removed. Obfuscation and awkwardness are not an encouraging (re-)start here, and this use has form for being uncooperative. --Scott Mac 23:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

• I see that BC is now attempting to remove the tag on their userpage linking the accounts. I feel that they are getting pretty disruptive now and I'm very unimpressed by the refusal to heed consensus. Can anyone remind me what he offers to the project to justify this level of disruption? Spartaz 00:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
  • • Hmmm . Not very helpful. Spartaz 00:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
      • Your edits are against policy and disruptive also, I have created User talk:Δ/top and thats all the further Im going to go. so please stop harassing me and lets move on to something actually productive. ΔT 00:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
        • That appears to be a personal attack.   — Jeff G. ツ 00:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
          • It does? How? Aiken ♫ 00:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
            • It appears to be an unfounded accusation of harassment.   — Jeff G. ツ 01:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
              • Be that as it may or may not, as far as I can tell, you, Jeff, have yet to make a useful comment in this thread. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

An unusual request re: Connormah 2

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Connormah 2 is scheduled to end about half an hour from the time of posting. I know this isn't the way things normally work, but I would like to request that a "'crat chat" be opened, given that this is right in the middle of what is considered the discretionary area. I ask mainly because I would be interested to read different 'crats' analyses of the arguments put forward I both the support and oppose columns, but also because it's been a while, if I recall, since we've had an RfA quite as close as this seems and to give Connormah something to take on board for either adminship or a potential future RfA. Disclosure: since I'm the nominator, I obviously have a conflict of interest, but this request isn't motivated by a desire to skew whatever the result may be. Thank you, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's too late now but I'd also be interested in a little crat chat. AD's close mentions opposes concerned with the candidate's understanding of CSD but as far as I can read, this wasn't brought up. Pichpich (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry – I didn't see this thread before I closed the RfA. The RfA was indeed borderline, and I took considerable deliberation in making my decision. My suggestion to Pichpich is that he read the oppose section more closely. —Anonymous Dissident 13:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you meant to quote BLOCK and not CSD because I don't see significant concerns raised about his grasp of CSD. What did I miss? Pichpich (talk) 15:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't see anything regarding CSD. Furthermore, I have no interest in CSD, and the BLOCK concerns (from what I can tell) were based on a typo, so I'm not sure. Connormah 15:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Refer to Fetchcomms' oppose and the reaction to the answer to question 8. I see that the problem could be viewed as a miscomprehension of BLOCK, but it's really neither here nor there. That Connormah's advised course of action was deemed unsatisfactory is what mattered. —Anonymous Dissident 16:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Well it was a very well thought out and, no doubt, long deliberated over close and the result, while I don't agree with it, was in line with the consensus or lack thereof. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Hopefully it'll go better next time after I've fixed some things here and there. Connormah 15:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

The two-cent advice I offered this morning to Connormah is to look over what people wanted (supporters and opposers alike), and then get talkative and specific about what he has no interest in, to give voters a chance to say "sure, that's okay" or "no, I really want you to demonstrate that you can do X". No animals were harmed in the making of this RfA, and I think he'll do fine next time. - Dank (push to talk) 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I support the close decision made by Anonymous Dissident. It's how I would have closed it as well. FWIW. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 18:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A good close, and what I would have done. (X! · talk)  · @233  ·  04:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Perfectly fine. Cheers, and thanks. Connormah 17:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Late concurrence with the propriety of the process. MBisanz 02:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Requesting admin status reactivation

Fox (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log)

I stood down from my admin status a few months ago at the Stewards page (no cloud or anything) and X! told me he couldn't do it on an IRC request, and that I had to post here. So... here I am.  f o x  15:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know of any reason why this request should not be granted. –xeno 15:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Me either, but please post a diff of the request so we can check. Andrevan@ 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

It's in the globalrights log linked above, but: . –xeno 16:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

What Foks forgot to mention was that I didn't find anything wrong and supported the resysopping, but that it should be brought to BN just in case. (X! · talk)  · @793  ·  18:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Figured that was evident, but alright.  f o x  18:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I see no reason to deny this request. —Anonymous Dissident 21:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I've re-granted based on the uncontroversial removal and the lack of disapproval from some other crats. MBisanz 22:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheers.  f o x  08:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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