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Nguyen

I want to delete those incorrect infomation from the Nguyen article.

This surname is not originally Chinese. So, there is no point to put some Chinese legends here. Plus, there is no way to prove the correctness of some unknown legends. People might have some misunderstandings that 40% Vietnamese are Chinese which is not true. Nguyen is a Vietnamese surname, NO Chinese.

This article is about Nguyen, a Vietnamese surname. So, there is no point to put some notable Ruan people here. List the notable Ruan people in a Ruan article, please. Notable Ruan people has nothing to do with Nguyen article. Ducdung (talk) 15:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC+8)

Dog bites - even in the uk

Go to the hospital, now. Take the dog - it will likley need to be put down. Contrary to public opinion in the UK, there is rabies there. Hipocrite (talk) 19:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I know, we were in the hospital all day, she is getting surgery tomorrow. I have already shot the dog, and thank you mark nutley (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Mark, I hope things go well with her tomorrow. Terrible. I hope you have the good sense to stay away from here for a while, especially during this time of conflict, because there are bound to be things that rile you up, and you don't need that right now. It's just an encyclopedia after all, despite how much effort we put into making it right. ;-) Good luck. ATren (talk) 19:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I need to do something to keep my mind off of it, so it`s WP or getting drunk :), i`ll be fine just nosing about, thanks mate mark nutley (talk) 19:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

How about this: try just reading Misplaced Pages for a change. I do that sometimes -- I have an interest in learning about obscure, remote locations, so I'll scan Google Earth for some remote island in the middle of the ocean, and invariably there will be a Misplaced Pages page on it, usually with photos. I can then spend hours following links describing the island's history and neighbors. It's amazing how much information is contained here. Whatever your interest, you can usually find something on it. Or, if that fails to keep your interest, you can always buy Plants vs Zombies, easily the most addicting game I've played in a long time. ;-) Anyway, good luck tomorrow. ATren (talk) 20:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Probation violation

Please see: . Mark may I advise you not to touch sourcing for a while? It is clear that you are struggling to keep to the letter of the probation and everyone is getting fed up. Steer well clear I suggest. --BozMo talk 09:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok mate, thanks for the heads up mark nutley (talk) 10:09, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Judith Curry

Mark, did you ever e-mail Judith Curry about the impersonation thing? Did she reply back? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes i mailed her and pointed her the the conversation on the rsn board. I also told her the guy was sorry for what he had done. She did not reply though, I reckon it`s best to let it go now mark nutley (talk) 14:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

She probably thinks we're all crazy. And she's probably right. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

WMC and reverts

Mark if that is the case please provide me with a link. Off2riorob (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I requested a explanation from WMC but I have not received a decent explanation, as regards reporting parole violations, where do I report them? Off2riorob (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Enforcement

Since you have, again, defamed a living person by placing false information on their biography, I've requested enforcement to stop you from doing this again. Misplaced Pages:General_sanctions/Climate_change_probation/Requests_for_enforcement#Marknutley_again. Hipocrite (talk) 20:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Erm?

With regards to your comment on ArbCom. If you by now, despite several warnings, and a direct enforcement for bad-sourcings. Aren't aware that just looking at the names of references isn't enough - then you are really digging yourself a hole.... (you also apparently ignored everything else in Verbals edit-comment - which also doesn't speak well...).

Reminder: Verify the text against the references. Reliability depends on context primarily. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 23:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Robert Watson article incident

A Quest for Knowledge and I compiled relevant diffs into a sortable table to make it easier for reviewers. The information is contained here

I am notifying those who made reference to the incident on the evidence page, specifically, SBHB, Minor4th, GregJackP, mark nutley and Hipocrite. Did I miss anyone?--SPhilbrickT 19:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Already saw it thanks, you have missed WMC mark nutley (talk)

Pmanderson

I've started a draft RFC in my userspace User:OpenFuture/Request_For_Comment/Pmanderson. If we can show that at least two users have tried to resolve the issue (so we need one more except me) we can file it. I did unfortunately file a Mediation request just earlier today, as per Chasers request, so we might have to wait for a response on that one first. --OpenFuture (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Marknutley/The institute

Hi! Per your request I've deleted User:Marknutley/The institute. Do you also want User talk:Marknutley/The institute to be deleted? (I presume so, but need to confirm before I go ahead). TFOWR 14:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes please, sorry i should have tagged it`s talk page as well. mark nutley (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done TFOWR 15:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheers man mark nutley (talk) 15:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries! TFOWR 15:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Please use the talkpage

mark. please use the talkpage. i will tell Verbal this aswell Polargeo (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

What talkpage mate? mark nutley (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The Watts bio Polargeo (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Come on please...

... introducing which is (1) a separate occasion (2) contains no PA (3) is written civily BUT (4) contains a request you know you can ignore for you not to engage in particular discussions isn't really very reasonable of you. Not that your complaint about it is fair, just introducing it into this is not. I think it is a good time for everyone to be demonstrating that they can be more reasonable than their antagonist not less reasonable. It is starting to look like a scene out of Asterix in Corsica. On top of which each RFE is using a lot of admin time reading and considering them and the high court is not for people who steal cans of baked beans. --BozMo talk 19:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Bozmo, if you feel telling another editor to not bother contributing is not an attack then fair enough, I do request you inform the editor in question that any further accusations of being a proxy will be met with a block. He is on a civility parole, one he fails spectacularly to uphold and gets off scot free far to often. He needs to be told. no more. mark nutley (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Mark, whatever they're asking you to do, just go ahead and do it. Compromise is a two-way street, and everyone seems to have forgotten that our purpose here is to write articles, not endlessly argue back and forth and accomplish nothing. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I respect Bozmo, and he has helped me out quite a bit when i mess up, I have done as he requested and closed the RFE mark nutley (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mark, I appreciate it. I do and will exchange views with WMC about how he treats other editors. You appreciate I have got as far as blocking him for PAs on his own talk page but precedent of an Arbcom ruling went against me. --BozMo talk 20:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

(snik) Who are you saying is from Corsica? --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Not from kim, in Asterix in Corsica It`s a pretty crappy comic :) mark nutley (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I know Mark - and i rather disagree. The (snik) was the knife unfolding.... --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Aha, are you making me an offer i can`t refuse :) mark nutley (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

It's been such a long time since I have read tales of The Gaul. I checked our article, and it amazed me to learn that they are still making new ones! NW (Talk) 20:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I read them all in French when I was posted to manage in Francophone Africa in 1993. I think the puns work better in French. But the sequence when the Corsican is trying to pick a fight with a young legionary which escalates "you like my sister?" "you don't like my sister?" "you like my sister?" etc is very fine in either language. --BozMo talk 20:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I read a long story about the translation into Danish, G&U didn't just accept any translation... They had to be translated into the language of choice first, and then independently translated back into French, so that G&U could review whether the translation lost significantly. Unfortunately i'm rather bad at French, so i've only read them in Danish... but fortunately the Danish versions have been nominated the best translations several times. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Hasn't really been the same since Goscinny passed away. But they are true classics. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 21:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Image

this looks an awful lot like this. You sure you want to claim you created this all by yourself? Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I did, i never even saw that one before, i can upload the diffuse and normal map`s to image shack if you want proof that i modeled it mate mark nutley (talk) 06:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

You "modelled" it? I don't really understand the technical side of what you appear to be describing here, but can I ask, on the basis of what original image data did you work? Did you go to the museum and took your own photograph of the object or not? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I used this as a background image to model the shape I made the model and texture`s using that as the base. It`s actually quite simple, i`ve been creating models for about 10 years and will be using this particular one in a game i am working on. If you check the image dimensions you will see there is no way it is the same btw, I cropped the render but it was 2048x2048 beforehand mark nutley (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, then that's still a derivative work of a copyrighted photograph. Sorry, no way. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

How is using a background image as a guide to create a model a copyvio? None of the origanel picture is in there. Are you seriously telling me it is against the rules to create a model using a background image? All modelers use background images, that`s how it works mark nutley (talk) 07:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems like your source is a smaller copy of FP's source. Mark, it does not matter if you recompute every pixel, or even redraw it by hand. There still is a good chance that this is a derivative work under copyright law, just like a photo of a statue is, or a recording of a musical score. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Well it`s not a copy of FP`s source at all, i never even saw that one :( But if using a background image is creating a derivative then i suppose it`ll have to go. Which is a shame as i spent an hour creating the mesh :( mark nutley (talk) 07:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

(ec) It's a derivative work on the basis of a copyrighted photograph. I don't know how exactly you and your computer software did it, but the net effect is an almost slavish reproduction. If you went and just drew it by hand copying from the original photograph, the result would be very much the same, and it would also count as a derivative. – Nominated for deletion now (I'd actually speedy it, except that I don't take admin action in this topic area). Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

If it did not look the same then i would not be a very good modeler :), speedy it if you want, i doubt anyone will take it against you mark nutley (talk) 08:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Blocked

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I am not even going to bother, what i did was right. mark nutley (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I really suggest that you read some of SirFozzie's recent posts. NW (Talk) 22:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Nuke, i don`t care. What was being inserted was a gross blp violation. It was inserted for the sole purpose of denigrating Monckton. Chris had already said it was grossly undue, yet inserted it anyway. That entire Abram`s thing was wrong, he even had to cut it after monckton first complained as it was so full of errors. Do as you will, in this case i know for a fact what i did was correct. Might i ask if those who reverted contentious and disputed text into a BLP are also blocked? mark nutley (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

No, because a) it wasn't a BLP violation, b) they did not break an edit warring parole, and c) they did not signify their intent to continue edit warring even past that. NW (Talk) 22:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Mark, I tried to fix the problems that editors had identified - i.e. that the sourcing was poor (which I agree with) and that the wording was POV (which I agree with). I replaced the sourcing with the sources that NW and BozMo had identified, and changed the wording to describe neutrally what both sides had said. I've never said at any stage that I thought the para was grossly undue, or any words to that effect. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)