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Satanism

My friend, at last I have found one whom I may be able to reach! With speed, inform me this: Are you or are you not interested in any way about practicing Satanic worship in real life? If so, I urge you to contact me through my talk page as soon as possible. There is much indeed which I may be able to give you. My thanks, Iotamikadoshi (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. see immediately above for 'Satanism sources' where i have identified the third party sources we have yet accumulated on the topic of Satanism for reference in Misplaced Pages. I have acquired many more of a variety of types beyond this, but these are the ones that are mentioned in the talk threads of the pages on Satanism at wiki.-- self-ref (nagasiva yronwode) (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Satanic content on Misplaced Pages

I have written an article for the book Hail Satan which is a collection of Satanic poetry. A christian user on Misplaced Pages seems upset and zealous in his efforts to have the article deleted. He has accused the article of vanity, whereas the article reads unbiased. The user in question also argues notability, yet the traffic log for the article since May shows over 1,000 visits. The article has also been accused of lacking sources, yet since this accusation proper sources have been added. The behavioral pattern however is arbitrary meaning when vanity is addressed and leveled - notability is argued, when notability is addressed and leveled - sources are argued. On the surface this seems less to do with an encyclopedic article's pertinence to Satanism and the Occult and rather the concern of christian users on Misplaced Pages to silence modern representations of Satanism in literature. I want to reach out to you in assuming unbiased concern and ask for your input and participation in the discussion of this article's deletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hail_Satan_(book) Blackson 08:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

My response. - Ian.thomson (talk) 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I would have more interest in this subject if there was some kind of coalition discussion and centralized focus on citation to sources amongst wikipedians of LHP and Satanist persuasion, in which i have been willing to participate, and to which i have contributed extensively by organizing the central Satanism page at wikipedia, its archives, and its sourcing-base, since i know what the likely repercussions are going to be for all of occultism and New Religious Movement tangentals outside of this sourcing.
from what i have seen so far, however, there is no administrative interest in pursuing this outside my own (and i am not talking about merely contributing text to the pages, which is easy and we'll see it vaporize soon enough), so i have to wait until there is sufficient outrage or intelligent response mustered to address the Weapon of Effacement (see my essays on this via my user page archive) with administrative coordination; i have a library, online sources, and extensive source materials which i may seek to contribute to this project once i understand an intelligent cabal can coalesce in a mature fashion to withstand the editors and their cite-bots. -- self-ref (nagasiva yronwode) (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, this issue's long since been resolved, Blackson's article advertisement for his book has been deleted in AfD. I have no problem with any content meeting the guidelines being introduced into Misplaced Pages, more power to you and thank you for having and being willing to use sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)