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Happy editing! karmafist 21:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem, please let me know if I can help you further. karmafist 21:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

They can, but you can put it back as long as there isn't an Edit War. If it's not clear either way, you can discuss it on the talk page and then if that doesn't work, there are a few more steps you can take. I'll tell you what I think now, hopefully we can resolve things now. karmafist 23:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You guys have to prove with facts. And we have already voted 2 months ago on the same information.

Anakinskywalker 23:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Don't use profanity in edit summaries, and be aware of the Misplaced Pages:Three revert rule, which you may already have broken. It doesn't make sense to add and remove tags in rapid succession; adding any such tags should also be justified in the talk page. -- Curps 00:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Curps is right, you have broken it, but so has Anakin, so either both of you will be blocked or neither(usually it's neither). Just don't keep on putting it back up if the disputed status is disputed. I'm sorry I didn't say that more clearly before. This'll be settled eventually, the trick is to be nice about it. karmafist 00:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, if you're nice and he's not, you'll likely get your way.If you're both nasty, it gets more complicated. karmafist 00:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm heading over to WP:AN/I now. There is a way, but it usually takes a gang of admins, and eventually the arbcom, to do so. I'm checking to see if i'm being "unfair" or something due to the welcome possibly making me impartial. karmafist 00:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

RELAX!

Unfortunately, things like this happen all the time. Soon, somebody'll help solve the situation. Ok? Just breathe. Things will be resolved. karmafist 00:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

blocked

I have blocked both of you for 24 hours for 3RR violations and incivility. Jtkiefer ---- 01:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I think this is unfair and unjustified. Ardenn 01:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I have unblocked you as it does seem a bit harsh and I was unaware of all the circumstances behind this. Jtkiefer ---- 05:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

University of Ottawa

Reviewing the matter in the edit history, my points are as follows:

1. A murder has no inherent bearing on the university's reputation. It's one of those things that just plain happens sometimes — it's happened at most universities in the world at least once — and consequently there's just no particular reason it needs to be noted in the article.
2. The sole link you've provided to support the sexual harassment issue, a letter published in The Fulcrum, provides little to no context about what the root of the controversy is or why anyone outside the university community needs to know about it. Having read through the letter five times now, I understand that the guy is peeved off at something — but the letter assumes knowledge I don't have: namely, what the hell even happened? So it's not a suitable or legitimate external source to support the claim being made.
3. You can't simply state that St. Paul University is homophobic or that its affiliation with the U of O has significantly affected the U of O's external reputation. These are claims that require sources to back them up.
4. Other than that, you're mostly taking issue with wording that's already been discussed and agreed upon on the talk page.

So, in a nutshell: frankly, you haven't made a very convincing case that there is a legitimate dispute to resolve here. If there's a real and valid dispute, then the NPOV tag is supposed to stay on the article until the matter is resolved, but NPOV does not mean "if you guys don't like the stuff I added, then screw you". The tag can be removed if the dispute lacks merit. And to be honest, I don't currently see a whole lot of merit in the dispute you're raising. Bearcat 02:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Edits

Why did you revert my edit without any explanation? None of my edits were POV, I didn't add anything new, I just cleaned up the poor sentence structure, and excessive unesscessary wording. I added sources to it and you erased it. I only new thing I added was that the University of Ottawa is one of the top research universities in Canada. Seeing how it's ranked "I'm new hear but I have read the wikipeida rules and I have not done anything wrong. Edit and assume good faith.

Economics416 22:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

How is this POVL

"The University of Ottawa is ranked as one of the top research universities in Canada. It is well ranked by the Financial Times, The Princeton Review, the Gourman Report (Ranked within the top 10 universities in Canada), and other International rankings. + Today, it is the oldest and largest bilingual university in North America. The University of Ottawa is well ranked by the Financial Times, The Princeton Review, the Gourman Report (Ranked in the top 10 universities in Canada), and other International rankings."

"The University of Ottawa ranks 7th in research-intensive universities and 8th in total research funding in the country, receiving close to $200 million. The U of O also has the 3rd largest co-operative education program in Canada, with a 95% placement rate."

You have to explain your reseasoning. I can back all this information with sources. This is not POV. You are erasing the information because of your own POV, which is against wikipedia rules. Unless you can prove otherwise, your claims are wrong.

Also, you have reverted it 2 times, be aware that next time you revert you will be violating the 3RR.

Economics416 22:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

"The University of Ottawa ranks 7th in research-intensive universities and 8th in total research funding in the country, receiving close to $200 million. The U of O also has the 3rd largest co-operative education program in Canada, with a 95% placement rate."

Why did you erase that for no justifiable reason? How is that is that POV? Those are all facts.

"The University of Ottawa is ranked as one of the top research universities in Canada. It is well ranked by the Financial Times, The Princeton Review, the Gourman Report (Ranked within the top 10 universities in Canada), and other International rankings. Today, it is the oldest and largest bilingual university in North America. The University of Ottawa is well ranked by the Financial Times, The Princeton Review, the Gourman Report (Ranked in the top 10 universities in Canada), and other International rankings"

How is that POV also. Obviously the University is noted for it's research and it's ranked 8th and 9th in reseach in Canada, obviously shows their status as one of the top in the Canada, and for that reason you took that out as well. The rest of the paragraph is also documented by rankings.

Okay, prove it's POV. Show me what I changed is POV with proof.

Economics416 is Anakinskywalker

Note Economics416 uses the exact same style here as Anakin used to use on the U of Ottawa talk page. He is also POV pushing the same stuff. David D. (Talk) 23:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't accuse if you don't have any proof, watch yourself and be respectful of others views. I checked the history, and it seems whenever someone has a conflict on that page, you, and user David D seem to pop up exactly at the same time. I think you two are infact the same user. I will be reporting you if you continue to vandalize my page and personally attacking me. You should really get a life, and stop accusing people who don't know anything about.

Economics416 16:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC

NPOV and merger tags on Anti-Freemasonry

Seems to me like JASpencer is agreeing with me... since I didn't post at all in over a day and the conversation was still going on. Seraphim 05:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

AMA request

Hey Ardenn - You might recognize me from the UoO dispute. I saw your request on the AMA page and would love to help you out. Let me first ask you, however, what exactly you want to have happen, and, far more importantly, why? I have created a page for us to discuss this at User:Hipocrite/AMA/Ardenn - please respond there, and add that page to your watchlist. Hope I can help!Hipocrite - «Talk»

Do not change closed afd discussions

You changed Mark Gallagher's decision on the Kathryn Holloway discussion archive, and I changed it back. The keep was his finding. It doesn't matter if you disagree with how it is phrased, that is the official record of the closing admin. --Syrthiss 17:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Remember what I said last night? Let it go. Whose reputation do you want? Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

If it is incredibly important that it closes no-consensus as opposed to keep (this will have NO EFFECT on the article whatsoever), the place to go is WP:DRV. I HIGHLY advise against this. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Hipocrite. Take it to drv. I locked the discussion page anyhow to stop you tampering. --Syrthiss 17:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Pardon me for having a phone call before I could hit save on my vprotect template. --Syrthiss 17:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Who cares if he's wrong? Keep and No Consensus have the same effect. Save your ammo for things that count. Get the reputation of someone who only goes in guns-blazing when you really care about something (I could learn to take my own advice). Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The talk page was a much better place to put that info. Good thinking. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you want to be right or do you want to win? I'm a fan of winning. If it's not a good article in a month, you can relist it regardless of what the result was last month. Hardly anyone looks at archives, and you'll get to craft the AFD to the best effect (I'll help you write it, if you still want, in a month). If you bring the world attention to it NOW, you'll only make it harder in a month! Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Who cares if he was wrong? It dosen't effect the encyclopedia at all. When you renominate it, you'll have to convince everyone from scratch, and having the eyes of the world at the old article are not going to help with that. If you want to prove the admin was wrong to say it was keep versus no consensus you might win at that, but it'll be certain that you'll never get the article deleted. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Good call on removing the nomination. My advice is if you're REALLY REALLY angry at something on the Wiki, take a 30 minute break to chill (I could take my own advice, again). In about 3 weeks we'll talk about renoming the article. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry. You were altering another editor's text. That is at best bad wikiquette and at worst vandalism. Then you reverted my rollback with the edit summary "rvv", which was misleading. I assume good faith that you didn't realize that changing the text of a discussion archive was a bad thing (despite the text immediately above it that says "do not modify it"), but when an admin rolls your edits back my advice is to consider whether they may have a better grasp on what Misplaced Pages considers vandalism than you. Now, Hipocrite has told me that the situation is resolved. If you say you agree, I will unprotect that page. --Syrthiss 18:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I note that you feel I was wrong because there's "only 2 more keeps than deletes". Now, there's two issues here. The first is that Misplaced Pages is not a democracy, and AfD is not a vote; so the number of votes is not what I was looking for when I closed. The second thing is that even those few admins who engage in the perilous sport of vote-counting typically close as a "keep" whenever the number of people who want the article kept exceeds the number who want it deleted. Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 01:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

template to dispute templates

Nope. Here's an example of me in a stupid edit war (click forward a few edits) over a disputed template, though. Learn from my mistakes! Phil was right and I was wrong, except his template was too extreme.

IM

Not at work! I'll be available for IM stuff in like 4-5 hours. Before you move forward on the Katherine thing, keep thinking about Win or Be Right. If you want to Be Right, I can't help. I don't know how to Be Right. I'm only good at winning. You win by making friends and influencing people. Yes - at times - you influence people by being agressive. This situation right here is a make friends one. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The name of the book is actually How to Win Friends and Influence People. You don't have to like them, but it's a coup if you can get them to like you. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)